SumoSprings vs Timbren SES On A 2011 Ford F250 w/ Truck Camper

SumoSprings SSR-114-54 vs Timbren Suspension Enhancement System FR250SDG. It's not much of a comparison since the Sumosprings kit has a major flaw.
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[@TakeDeadAim]

Put a set of the Timbrens on my 2020 GMC AT4 with a 1800lb truck camper and I now only squat a couple of inches. Makes a HUGE difference in the handling/roll stability. Forget bags and all that BS install and screwing with pressures....get these.

[@robertbarcus1963]

Very informative video straight to the point and no BS. Just what a perspective buyer needs or wants. Good Job.

[@mlaugh3]

good job on putting this video together. A lot of work for you. I use Tembrens on my truck and I am happy as well. Thanks.

[@jameschristie4596]

I have had Timbren's on my last two GMC 2500HD's. Mostly haul a 9,000 lb trailer and occasionally a 12,000 lb trailer. Made truck so much safer to drive on highway and less driver fatigue on long trips. And note that I didn't like the performance of one's on my new truck as they were too close to bottoming out with no load, making the rear of truck bounce when hit a road bump. I called and explained situation to Timbren, and they sent me a second set that were half an inch shorter free of charge. Completely resolved my empty bounce issue. Timbren is an awesome company that stands behind their product. I will never go without Timbren's again.

[@6582rg]

I have the Sumo’s on the front of my 21 F350 dually and air bags on the back. Very happy with the Sumo’s and the install was easy.

[@fasteddie51]

I was very interested in your video. very good job. I purchased a Lance 850 and put in on my 1999 F-250 Long Bed V10 4x4. I Added air bags and Helwig sway bars. When loaded for a 2 week trip I was 1,600+ pounds over the GVWR of my truck and it was very scary to drive. I ended up selling the camper after a couple of trips. I really like campers and plan to buy a 1 ton dually for a Northern Lite 10-2. For sure I’ll add Timbrens. Thanks for the help.

[@halla1968]

I installed my Timbren kit over 5-6 years ago. I have a 1999 Chevy Tahoe LT 4x4. Leafs in the back and springs up front. I tow a Sanger Ski boat. Usually loaded with Camping gear etc. Every year we go camping andif not camping. we go to the lake for day trips. prior to installing the rear Timbren kit. My Tahoe would sag. Drove it til my rear leafs got over workedor de-arked. The shop owner told me that I would need new leafs or get them re-baked (which you can have them done back to new or better). This shop does that. I even seen the process and the customers orders that he has done all over from state to state. He even does work for other shops due to his Custom Heated high temp oven. To fast forward, he reccommended the Timbren kit first in the rear. Which I chose to do. He said test drove it with me before install. The next week (which he fitted me in his busy schedule) the kit arrived and installed. We both each drove the Tahoe with the boat andtrailer connected. All I gotta say is "Huge Difference". I may not need to have my leaf springs done. Cause it rides way better, controls better and feels much safer. Eventually I will do the front and replace the bump stops with the front Timbren kit. I also plan to have the shop bake my leaf springs back to specs. Not many Honest shops out there. But once I got introduced to the Timbren Kit. I feel much safer and know that my family is safe travelling with this kit. I may even try and do a video when I do the front. And for the other viewers. I am not endorsed by Timbren nor Jack of All Master of None. Just a viewer like the rest.

[@jeffstieren4474]

I run Timbren on my F250’s, E-250, F-450 and my F-550. These are a game changer. You are more stable in every aspect especially with no more swaying. You can drive with confidence knowing that you have total control. Always be mindful to load a trailer correctly with your weight distribution and towing capacity. You won’t be disappointed at all.

[@TimbrenIndustries]

Great comparison and install video! Thanks for choosing to run our product on your truck 💪🏻

[@JackofAllMasterofNone]

So far so good.

[@mariobajac]

I just purchased some sumosprings and love them the reason why I got the Sumo spring is that they're constantly working and helping the back I noticed in your video that you said you didn't want to put the spacer on cuz going over a bump you don't want the truck bouncing around it's the exact opposite with the Sumo spring it cushions every bump working like an airbag but working when you put a heavy load in it as well the other system that big piece of rubber when you do not have your camper on and you hit a bump and that actually comes in contact your truck will be bouncing around like crazy my friend has those exact ones on his truck and he is not happy with the rough ride quality with no load. Sumo spring was probably the best mod I've ever done to any of my trucks

[@TheJsote1988]

Nice. Appreciate your comment

[@ValorPartner]

Failed to mention what year, make and model of truck you own and installed them in... ???

[@angeljenkins3592]

Thank you for the video. You answered everyone of my questions in the video.

[@mrjv750li]

Thanks for a good review !

[@randytinsley8927]

Nice comparison. I'm putting Timbren's on my 2018 F-350 dually. I have a 38.5 ft 5th wheel and the Timbern's are rated at a load leveling capacity of 8600 lbs which I think will work best for my load.

[@ojmcbaggins]

Helped out. I have a work camper shell on my 2015 f250. I'm gonna try one out

[@JimVincitore]

Great video! Very cool! Thank you!

[@jameshurd4815]

Thank you thank you thank you I have a 2015 F250 and I pull a couple bumper pull trailers and this video really helped me out I liked and subscribed!

[@josenieves5038]

great video ... but I think you could use a stud mount in the center bold on the Sumo spring and it should work. But I agree that is really sorry that they didn't have the right info after you called them.

[@sf7708]

I have a new Ram Dually and been trying to decide on airbags or one of these units. This review has helped me with my decision and Timbrens appear to be what I need.

[@lanceschul]

I have a Ram3500 dually. What did you go with?

[@sammorris9609]

Good video. Very helpful. I wished I had watched this before I bought and installed the Sumo springs on my 2000 Toyota Tundra with truck camper, and drove Oregon to Wyoming and back. They became squished and don't do much any more so I will go Timbren. Thank you.

[@muletowndumpsters]

I ride with a 10k trailer on my Tundra and sumo springs, no issue what so ever. Love them!

[@sammorris9609]

@@muletowndumpsters I tried to send pictures of my yellow squashed sumo springs, but do not know how to in this comment section. Glad yours work good.

[@donaldmatthies6026]

I greatly appreciate this video! I'm curious as you had two different companies with parts there, why didn't you check to see if the bracket from the timberans could fit on the super spring,( black on yellow)? Thank you for taking time to film, edit and post this video.

[@frashr]

I was wondering the same thing.

[@johnwilson1784]

Great video brother. I do have a question. I am just about sold on the timbren. I have a 2012 Sierra 1500. I do occasionally go off road and one of my concerns is not losing any off road capability. Do these limit wheel travel? And do you think they would cause a problem going thru twisting ditches and off camber situations? Thanks brother.

[@JackofAllMasterofNone]

I do think they limit travel a bit, or at least make it harder for the suspension to travel up, which after all is their whole purpose. They are progressive so the harder the suspension is compressed the firmer they become.

[@napollard]

Okay, good video, but I may have missed the weight of the camper. Could you tell us the weight please?

[@bill84345]

So the tuck sagged to 38.5 with Timbrens, how much did it sag without?

[@tonyamaral5380]

Great video! Sold on timbren.

[@ericbickernicks3195]

Thanks for pointing this flaw with SumoSprings. If the center line to the axle is through the center of the factory jounce bumper, there's no way the SumoSprings can line up. The bolt hole in the frame has to line up with the center of whatever rubbery thing you have supporting the truck. The factory bumper and Timbren do this. Did SumoSprings just go, "eh, close enough, no one will notice." ?

[@felonybebopclub2182]

u just helped me a lot!!!,,thx

[@jackpayne4778]

You should measure from axle center to fender, that way you take out any tire squat from spring squat.

[@jameshurd4815]

Anal ??

[@klo910]

I have a 17 F350 srw and they are in the center.

[@billtodd999]

I have had superspring on my 2004 F150 since 2005 and I swear by them. I have 116,200 miles and just now replacing OEM rear shocks, which makes me wonder if the superspring lengthen the life span of the shocks? Also, do you recommend me adding the sumo springs? I pull a HW Popup camper. And a boat, the heaviest tong weight I have ever pulled is about 550 lbs and use weight distribution with the large TT at 550 tongue weight.

[@robertford1687]

Strange, my sumo springs were dead centered.

[@RyShermsInc]

How much weight does the camper you hooked up put on the rear axle? Which rating of timbren did you use?

[@JackofAllMasterofNone]

About 2000lbs. Not sure on the timbrens rating. I listed the part # in the description

[@matthewfagan8364]

I have used Timbrens on 3 of my 1500s which I tow a 33 ft camper and dump trailer with. Timbren is far superior BECAUSE the denser material (hard rubber not foam) stop the rear end of the truck from swaying at all. I've had ram-air, sumos and timbrens and the second I buy a truck, I go get timbrens!

[@lanceschul]

I have airbags on my Ram 3500 dually and hate playing the air pressure game. I can't decide if I should change and if so, between Timbrens and Sumo...

[@hillbillyhotrod]

Strange that yours are off so bad. I installed the same part# on my 2016 F-250 earlier this year, they are not dead center but have enough SumoSpring on either side of the block bump stop to not cause an issue. I've got 3000 towing miles on mine so far and they helped out a lot. I used the rear hole in the bracket on both sides.

[@JackofAllMasterofNone]

The company reached out to me and was going to send me different parts because the ones in the kit were not correct. I had already returned it though

[@hillbillyhotrod]

@@JackofAllMasterofNone Must be another part real similar but with slightly different dimensions. what you had looks like what I've got. Glad the timbrens worked out tho.

[@JackofAllMasterofNone]

@@hillbillyhotrod what I think happened is they had a incorrectly manufactured batch of them that were sold by Amazon. But I can't confirm that for sure. But other reviews on Amazon were similar to my problem

[@muletowndumpsters]

​@@JackofAllMasterofNoneyeah, I reached out to them prior to purchasing my sumo springs. And they said as much, I'd be better off purchasing through them directly. So I did. Couldn't be happier and safer. I also never worry about air lines and punctures. They just work. About to put some on my trailer as well.

[@stephenm.taylor979]

I have Timbren's on my 2016 Ram 1500 5.7 Hemi... towing a 26 ft. camping trailer. Along with the Dexter Axel Equalizer (on the trailer) the rig tows much better with no sway (E4 hitch setup) and eliminated the fishtailing I had before the Timbrens. Enjoyed your video.

[@Artburg]

How much did it drop without Timren??

[@ghettohey2388]

I believe if those work I would grind off some of the area on the frame and the brackets and put some welds on them to make them more sturdy. To me that little bolt just doesnt seem very much to hold them on especially when they are contacting the stop

[@JackofAllMasterofNone]

It's been working great for a few years now!

[@michaelcorrothers8340]

I'm planning to buy a pair for my 2018 Ford Transit 250 Tall Van.

[@ajmedeiros77]

Did you buy then for the transit? Have a 2021 mid roof eco beast awd absolutely love it. Insulated it, bed, decked tool box etc. not sagging at all yet, but any more weight and it likely will effect sway etc. thinking of the sumos or these

[@zacherymetz3395]

I would put a spacer on the helpers so it hits the axle sooner so it does not squat as much loaded

[@BHUFF]

Put Timbrens on my 22 Tacoma, they work great and their customer service is excellent

[@JoeGraves24]

I would mount the sumo springs withy he plastic spacer and a bolt and not even worry with the bracket.

[@kentonlandworks29]

Excellent review. How much does the camper weigh?

[@JackofAllMasterofNone]

About 2,000lbs

[@bretthansen4773]

Those sumospring part number fits the 4x2 F250 only

[@roberttrujillo6998]

How much squat did you have before the timbren system? You mentioned 2 inch of drop after, but what was it before.

[@michaelwaters4985]

He had like 40 1/2 “

[@wanderingbox7971]

really cool 🚐✌

[@chris092283]

Ive heard good things about both. I jave a 14 tundra and will be towing 6000lbs inclosed trailer for work. Wasnt sure timbren or sumo springs? Will do some driving with no load

[@JackofAllMasterofNone]

They are both good. I have SumoSprings on my Ram Promaster and they are excellent.

[@blainedickason6762]

I just bought a used similar F-250. What sized Cooper tires do you have?

[@JackofAllMasterofNone]

OEM size. LT275/70R18 Load Range E

[@timburton1715]

Thanks 🙏🏻 for sharing... helpful information... trying to beef-up my '00 F150 rear suspension to prevent sag when hauling a travel trailer... been looking at the Timbren as well as the RoadMaster Active Suspension System (basically a spring to prevent the leaf-spring from over flexing due to load)... can't decide which to use and might just go with "redundancy" and utilize both... curious if one ☝️ might cancel out the other...??

[@jloydsot]

Tim I have the RAS, I saw in a review they recommended getting the Timbren also. I was thinking about Bilstien 5100 also

[@jonathanrayhargrove1]

I think they have changed them. The ones that I am looking into have multiple positions and ways to mount so that it lines up correctly.

[@GarzaDiesel]

😎 very informative

[@jopanet]

It looks like the sumo Springs mounting was swapped from side to side and you could have moved where you bolted the spring to the bracket and got it to center and sit right. I think now those springs have a different mount

[@JackofAllMasterofNone]

They have since corrected the problem.

[@curtissmith3987]

What would you recommend for my 2018 F150 I want to tow a fifth wheel with a 1900 LB hitch weight

[@timburton1715]

Roadmaster Active Suspension is a much better upgrade to stock Suspension

[@tedhicks5431]

Will this work on 03 4x4 exscursion?

[@carmac1652]

Will that fit on a 2006 GMC Sierra 1500 ? I don't have any now

[@jameschristie4596]

Go onto Timbren's website. They will have a listing for the ones for your truck. I put them on my 2005 2500HD and again on my 2017 2500HD.

[@chrisdavis6789]

Looking at the Sumospring and considering the bolt pattern at time 7:38 I think the spring was mounted in the wrong hole. If it was moved back toward the shock at the rear hole it would have lined up with the axle and been more on center from looking at it with that angle.

[@JackofAllMasterofNone]

Unfortunately no. None of the holes lined up with the axle at all.

[@wbaggarly7266]

I have a 2015 gas f250 just like yours mine is a ex Texas work truck. I have a Lance 1010 truck camper that sags my rear. Do you still like your timberns.

[@JackofAllMasterofNone]

I really like them. My truck is also an ex Texas work truck!

[@organizacionhidalguense3742]

Can I install Timbrens on front of truck or just rear ?

[@JackofAllMasterofNone]

If they make a kit for the front yes. I'm not sure. I know they make them for the camper chassis Ford's.

[@davidanderson8469]

Chuck those factory junk shocks next.

[@JackofAllMasterofNone]

I did. Replaced with Bilsteins.

[@realistic.optimist]

Do you know the real, complete saying? "A jack of all trades is a master of none but often better than a master of one."

[@JackofAllMasterofNone]

Yep

[@wotysgtb4348]

Timbren has far better service after the sale. The people complaining about the Timbren ride, have them too close to the axle.

[@spiritzweispirit1st638]

Is That Driver Side? like the instructions said? If not? Its Backwards' If so? - Install the Sumo' on the 'opposite side' of (frame stud bolt Plate )' Same type of 2 bolt holes, Shouldn't that move it back 'over center' of the lower plate correctly? _ Maybe they didn't call back, because They're tired of answering the same question, them thinking you will eventually figure it out? I dunno' Jmo'✌

[@JackofAllMasterofNone]

Incorrect, but thanks for the comment.

[@dougsmith7031]

You do not need the spacer. At all.

[@erlcfilmer5889]

Not really a comparison of sumo vs timbren since the sumos didn't fit.

[@JackofAllMasterofNone]

Yep. Its hard to compare them when their product doesn't even fit the intended application.

[@lindafields8995]

Bump stop, not shocks.

[@michaelwilliams418]

There is still give so it still uses the truck suspension. The original stop, not so much. Although it is rubber, it is much harder and designed to “stop” the suspension from bottoming out. This particular application provides cushion and give to allow the factory suspension to work as well. Be smart, do a little research before commenting.

[@VicksWander]

Looks like Sumo bracket is mismatched from spring. Wierd

[@JackofAllMasterofNone]

They have probably since corrected the issue. I have a set of sumo springs on another vehicle and they work excellent. Both are a good choice I'd imagine.

[@NewtonWashinton]

Sumo are by far the best over Timbren. They are always centered on the axle. You must have the wrong bracket or wrong installer.

[@JackofAllMasterofNone]

I suspect Sumosprings had a bad batch.

[@NewtonWashinton]

@@JackofAllMasterofNone You are most likely correct.

[@Dive-Bar-Casanova]

I've gotten bad Timbrens that didn't center. Timbrens customer service refused to help us.

[@superdutyscaler6823]

Why on earth would you buy a f250 that has no over load spring OR rear sway bar with that giant camper? That's F350 territory homie

[@JackofAllMasterofNone]

That camper is light enough to be carried by a F150 (technically) so my F250 was way more than enough to carry it. Camper weight is around 1800lbs.

[@danlux4954]

Supersprings makes an extra leaf to bolt on and pickup the extra weight.

[@Mr.bigsam]

Drill a new whole

[@superdutyscaler6823]

These videos are a horrible representation of the truck. First you have a F250 that is not equipped to handle the load your hauling. Your F250 has no overload springs or rear sway bar option. And no this is not a ford thing Dodge and GM trucks have options just like this and 98% of people have no idea they are options and just buy the first truck they see on the lots! Second you should have a F350 with that size slid in. The F350 should come stock with heavier rear springs, over load springs and a rear sway bar. ALL necessary for this slid in. Third I can guarantee that F250 is over loaded. Take it to a CAT scale with your normal vacation supplies in that slid out with your family and a full tank of gas. 3/4 ton trucks do not have the ratings needed for this. That's why manufacturers make 1 ton srw and 1 ton dually trucks

[@richarddegen6184]

Sumo looks like junk, crap design

[@JackofAllMasterofNone]

I have a set of sumo springs on another vehicle and they work good. I think this was just a design problem that has since been rectified.