Sunken Honda WX10 Engine Restoration Rebuild Part 3

[@TechGorilla1987]

I absolutely cannot stress enough how very REFRESHING it is to get such GREAT content without all of the loud music, crapping intros or extraneous narration. I love to hear the tools do the job that they are being employed to do.

[@treynathaniel4075]

Ya know, if it wasn't a honda none of this would be possible xD. You're an artist my friend.

[@btf2842]

Just remove the recoil and turn it with a drill, for intial startup testing to make your life just that little bit easier.

[@byrontaylor9235]

Yeah i had a craftsman mower with a weedeater type head on it the pull cord broke and i used my hammer drill to start it its alot easier and starts it faster and better and quicker that way

[@btf2842]

@@byrontaylor9235 just be careful when it does fire up cuz if you cant get the drill off quick enough it can unscrew your flywheel nut!

[@byrontaylor9235]

@@btf2842 yeah i know once it fires you got to pull the drill quick i got good at it lol and liked it better than the cord but yeah if you dont pay attention it can bite ya

[@adrianbadea1179]

This is how I star my Bush trimmer 👆😏😁

[@jebsails2837]

Frustration is the name of the game. Another KZbin poster to try is Bruce Pender. Has number of videos on Honda small engines. Thanks for sharing, we learn even when we fail. Narragansett Bay.

[@Knaeckebrotsaege]

Don't forget "mustie1". Does lots of aircooled VW stuff but also resurrects a ton of small engine stuff, from puch mopeds to piaggio scooters and honda motorcycles, lawnmowers, generators... the whole lot. If any of his videos have "will it run" in the title or thumbnail, the answer is yes in 99% of the cases :D

[@ionracer24]

Now i know why it was at the bottom of a lake....

[@TheIrishBosnian]

😂❤️

[@neilfroggycrompton2466]

Sleeping with daa fishes 😅😅😅😆😆

[@professionalidiots101]

Martin, I will look to see if I have the original Honda build/service manual for that engine. The slightly larger engine's have a decompression mechanism built on the crank, to temporarily lift the exhaust valve, (memory is grey like my hair lol) to aid starting. Great video, you are a wizard Martin, and it will work........ Soooon 😀

[@majesticenglish2637]

love the videos especially the rebuild,so satisfying to watch...when i was a teenager an had my yamaha 50cc..i used to tinker around with it..removing head polishing the piston cleaning what i could..upgrading reeds an jets in the carb....exhaust port.derestricting...it did make a difference..fastest 50cc on the block..haha..im subbed!

[@bizarreandbrilliant]

Yes, I did the same with my fs1e

[@William_Borgeson]

I know it's frustrating putting in so much time and it still not working but reading the comments you'll be getting some great ideas and hopefully in part 4 you can celebrate it working. Been enjoying every episode and I'd love to know the total number of man hours you put into this once it's complete. Thanks for your patience, great content, and never giving up!

[@bizarreandbrilliant]

Thanks William.

[@ao2528]

Fantastic restoration, look like a brand new one, I think that piston can build enough pressure for firing, may be non original ones makes the engine weaker or some kind of bad firing, if you have spark and fuel then the source of problem must be the timing or valves as you mentioned, we are waiting to see that nice engine running as it should.

[@Miata822]

So many fix-it videos on KZbin make mechanicing look easy, It isn't. Glad to finally see that. Earns you a thumbs up :)

[@bizarreandbrilliant]

Thanks Bill

[@yellownp22541]

To say that you did an OUTSTANDING job is simply not enough. You are awesome.

[@chrisross-smith4358]

Great job Martin,as usual. I really thought that engine was never coming back to life. Incredible work. I'm sorry I cannot help you with starting it, but I know you will figure it out. Can't wait for ep 4. Cheers, Chris.

[@shawnmrfixitlee6478]

I was under the impression it was a GX35 , I will look and see if I have a book on the GX31 ..ENJOYED !

[@Brian-vc1oy]

I'm sure you will be able to figure it out! Great series so far 👍👍👍

[@terry987654]

i have never worked on that model before but if you look at the cam sprocket 3.03 it has 2 horizontal lines 1 at each side they are the timing marks when at tdc they should line up at the top end of the sprocket and be perfectly straight on the hondas i have worked on unless that one is different check if there is other marks around the case that could be timing marks. the other thing did you lap the valves the inlet valve not being sealed right will cause compression loss and smoke back through the carb do you hear like a chugging sound when you pull it over like air escaping when it goes on compression stroke?

[@turbinepower77]

Did you hone the cylinder? It was in pretty bad shape.

[@koltonshampine5441]

If its puffing out the intake your cam timing is too delayed put the cam at tdc and time it to power with the upcoming lobe being exaust

[@bogdanbacanu605]

this

[@remyaworld1]

I really hope you'll make it run. You put so much work and effort in this motor. Would be a shame if it would not get a second chance in life. Really like your work. Thanks.

[@bizarreandbrilliant]

Thanks bud. I hope so too.

[@chrislogan8283]

makes my night when Retrohax pops up in notifications as long as you make vids i'll watch them

[@georgeharper3546]

Really unlucky that it doesn't work, especially as it looks brand new now! I was rooting for you at the end especially at the end when it puffed at the intake! Hope you get it fixed, I can't wait for part 4 :) Keep up the great content Martin!

[@alexandruanghel4295]

Nooooooo I was waiting for it to start. Great job , but I wanted it to start you put so much work in it.

[@MrNacho1946]

It's too bad that it didn't start but you did a good job and I entertained myself very much. Thank you.

[@Mark...]

Excellent work 👍 just shows what the right tools and the proper knowledge can do.

[@clauslundberg9224]

Love this series - and its (guess British) honesty - cant wait for part 4

[@meraioan]

I was so hoping to see that little thing run.... love the videos so satisfying

[@Parknest]

I've been looking forward the this one. A bummer that it didn't start. I'm sure you'll get it sorted. It looks fantastic.

[@alexanderwingeskog758]

Awesome! This 4-stroke 35cc is more efficient less weight and not (really today) more complex then my 50cc moped in the 80's. It's cute! :-)

[@antoninocappai7122]

hello, I did the same job with an oleomac pump, the compression was excellent, the problem was in the carburetor and in any case for the first ignition test to remove the air filter and spray a little spray Start. congratulations great job greetings from Sardinia, Italy

[@bizarreandbrilliant]

Already did that in the video bud and its a brand new carb.

[@ianclinthorne9968]

These revival series you do are awesome I'd love to see a chainsaw on your bench someday your a true craftsman. 👍👍

[@StefanDembowski]

Well worth a part 4, IMO....

[@guataco]

You are a Master of patience. Retrohax Lama 🙇🏽‍♂️👍

[@paulstir]

Martin I love your dedication to the job ( having to tear it down again and rebuild is the pain ) , great video keep it up mate 👍

[@bizarreandbrilliant]

Gotta strip it down again though lol

[@paulstir]

@@bizarreandbrilliant martin i think at this point even after all the hard work i would be very tempted to chucking it lol , i really hope you nail it on the next run bud

[@waynewright9853]

Great job didnt think it would come back that well.

[@justinrobertson1590]

Spectacular series!! Good on ya! Nicely done.

[@kojack57]

Wait, that doesn't happen on tv. It always works. Very cool work. I have no explanation but really enjoyed watching. That's a lot of work for something that was in a river and a prime example of why we differ from Women. I'll sub so I can see part 4.

[@bizarreandbrilliant]

Nice one. Thanks.

[@SCOTTISHPREPPERVARIETYCHANNEL]

WOW now heres what you can achieve with some fore sight and skill what a great sereis again martin very very enjoyable and what turn around from someone junk!!!! no more in your hands saved it

[@bizarreandbrilliant]

Hope to get it sorted in the next vid Chris.

[@barrybakewell5278]

nice job of puttting it all back same it didn't work first time but im sure if anyone can do it its you martin look brand new hope you get it sorted and we can seen the end result keep them comming martin

[@bizarreandbrilliant]

Just ordered the new CORRECT piston for the next video but still need to know about the valve timing No luck yet though.

[@LMF5000]

Great series, I really love restorations. If I could make one suggestion, I wish you'd included footage of you removing the old piston and fitting the new one, I can't figure out how on earth you'd seperate the connecting rod from the crankshaft since it has no bolts on the big end, lol.

[@michaelmcgregor7429]

You are very good at what you do sir. Don't get frustrated. There is another you tuber that might be able to help you. He goes by the name of mustie 1. Try and reach out to him. And keep up the good work

[@koshtie]

Hi Martin ether should have made it cough !!!! what a mare! must be the piston like you say, look forward to the next 1 to see what the problem was? ATB Wayne.

[@pauls466]

You make the best videos on 'haw to' . Brilliant Sir! thanks

[@fernandosalas8589]

O man all that super hard work and no joy 😖.

[@Jeffm005]

Good video Martin. I like the way you do not have any annoying music.

[@BanjoRen]

Looks great Martin. As for the valve timing, you know when the ignition pick up fires, you know when the piston is at tdc, you know the valves have to be closed at that point, following the suck, squeeze, bang, blow cycle you should be able to work out where the cam position should be at certain points to open and close the valves. Once that's sorted, if it doesn't start, I'd try the old piston. Give me a shout if you get stuck with the timing and I'll try to work it out for you. Cheers.

[@DaveBlaser]

I was going to suggest trying with the old piston to see if maybe that might get it to start working.

[@davidcranston1262]

Great video. I would say it’s the piston, altering the combustion chamber.

[@chrishoughton510]

Great video Martin, fingers crossed you get it started in part 4, im used to fiddling with 2 stroke engines so im none the wiser im afraid ☹👍👍

[@bizarreandbrilliant]

Just need to know the valve timing settings Chris, can't find that info anywhere.

[@geoham11]

Great series and looking forward to part 4

[@mizzesorru]

I like your determination ..i felt your anger to get it going till you've managed..I'm the same..i just can't give up ..the urge to go on it's overpowering .. very good video..i just subscribed to your channel

[@bizarreandbrilliant]

thanks bud.

[@duncanblackwell958]

That's a kick in the balls for you mate. It looks really good too. I hope you get it up and running.

[@randymcdonald1419]

Keep on truckin at it. It has to run.

[@craigrobinson8242]

Great videos can't wait to it working hope it sorted soon these things are sent to test us

[@baldanddangerous1572]

oh no ,it looks amazing tho,a good nights sleep,fresh thoughts in the morning,you can do it martin,cant wait for part 4...............all the best ..........................dougie

[@AW-Services]

You may consider overwinding your recoil spring in the pull start and spraying silicone grease around the inner of housing

[@lord.onk99]

You will get there Martin. Great videos.

[@scottpowell6145]

I ADMIRE YOUR WORK

[@MindRiot395th]

Even if it didn't start - still you did a great job!

[@anthonycphillips2430]

dear retrohax... when you are sure the cam lobe is in the correct position @ TDC, then all that should be left to check is to ensure carb flow is good and iginition.. you'll get it up and running.. i can't wait to see. .. engine looks great though... :)

[@michaelb.5345]

Getting caught up on videos....great work...

[@КошмарКошмар-й2б]

Very good restoration bro 👍👍👍👍

[@dodgydruid]

I use for my assembly oil, steam compound oil I got off ebay and dose it up with some rapeseed oil making it a nice sticky-ish oil for putting bits together and won't wash off at the first blush, got the recipe off of Keith Appleton's steam engine channel and its like homemade penetrating oil (50/50 ATF/Acetone) it works bloody well lol Does pong a bit tho if its burnt in the combustion cycle but not as bad as linseed oil in a 2 stroke ;)

[@johnwyman6331]

why not just use honest to goodness assembly Lube?

[@MarkYoungIW]

Hi, Is there any particular orientation that the impeller guard went in? Unfortunately it doesn't show on the video. Thanks

[@gershonperry5952]

What happened to the rubber gaskets?

[@dodge7679]

Another good vid Murt👏...keep them coming 🇮🇪🇮🇪🇮🇪

[@MalcOfLincoln]

Right mate. Cam timing. Set the cam to be rocking at tdc. Set ignition to fire before TDC. Put petrol in plug hole, insert plug and it should? run for a few seconds. Great job on this one though. Even if low compression due to wrong piston, should still run.

[@bizarreandbrilliant]

It is rocking when the lobe is in the bottom position Malc but no joy. Ignition timing is not adjustable so it has to be right.

[@MalcOfLincoln]

@@bizarreandbrilliant Any standard petrol engine. If cam and plug timing is somewhere near correct, you've compression and checked for spark. Cap full of petrol in the plug hole. Screw plug in and it should run briefly.

[@surajmehta6568]

Waiting for your part 4 I really enjoyed your video Make it possible soon

[@bizarreandbrilliant]

Part 4 is done.

[@RoelNicky]

you have a lot of patience, i would have gone nuts when it didnt fire :p

[@Sam-m04]

Ok, have you got spark? Constant spark? Fuel getting too cylinder? Wet plug?

[@bizarreandbrilliant]

Yes, yes and yes.

[@aga5897]

Cool videos ! If it's puffing outta the intake, no-brainer that the Intake Valve is Open when it should be shut = timing. 4-stroke Sequence :- 1. Piston at (or near) TDC, both valves must be shut, explosion, power. Piston goes down. 2. Piston goes up, exhaust valve is open, all gasses go out the exhaust. 3. Piston goes down, exhaust valve closed, carb valve open. Fuel/air get sucked in from the carburetor. 4. Piston starts to go up, both valves closed, compressing that mixture.

[@bizarreandbrilliant]

Come on bud. I know all that.

[@aga5897]

It would have been good if you'd included that in the video, as not everyone watching would know.

[@kamals6624]

Don't worry I m specialist in such motors, even if the piston is reduced not worry, slight adjustment on compression will start but melige on fuel will decrease

[@jeffr0]

Can’t help on this one Martin, but somebody has the answer.

[@dumbrunn]

1. Ensure cam timing/alignment: Set piston at tdc and make sure that both valves are closed, then rotate crank about 270deg. Make sure that only the exhaust valve is open (if not rotate 360deg), then rotate it back 270deg and then check that the magneto aligns with the coil. 2. Check that the valves seal properly against the valve seats. Try lapping them in (looks tight). Alternatively you could try making some kind of makeshift leakdown testing setup by just sealing an air hose in the spark plug hole, and then listen where the hissing sound is coming from. This will not only tell if the valves are not sealing but also rule out a concave or oval bore. Hissing from oil plug: piston/bore, from carb: intake valve, Hissing from muffler: exhaust valve etc etc. Good luck!

[@bizarreandbrilliant]

(Ensure cam timing alignment) that's the info, i'm looking for bud.

[@arthurmario5996]

Wow, s lot of bolts for such a small eng! Very satisfyingly! Anybody know if bore is iron or other durable material?

[@duncanblackwell958]

Mate of mine works for a hire centre. He's just said that the cam should face upwards when setting it up.

[@boondocker7964]

We will be looking forward to part 4. See you soon, I hope.

[@jonathanmeert3455]

cam needs to be pointed down, you can see smoke out of the intake as you pull the cord at the end of the video (flipped 180 degrees)

[@Hoggdoc1946]

Exactly my thoughts anytime you are seeing compression come out the cark like that indicated cam/valve timing is off.

[@sheep1ewe]

Beautiful job!

[@kenmelrose3429]

WX10 engine model GX25T Valve clearance (cold) intake 0.08 , exhaust 0.011 ... cam lobe pointed up for TDC , Spark plug gap .60 -.70 mm or 0.024 - 0.028 in engine model GX31 - Valve clearance (cold) intake 0.12 , exhaust 0.15 Piston you need VIN# to match www.jackssmallengines.com/jacks-parts-lookup/manufacturer/honda-engines/engine/gx/gx31

[@bizarreandbrilliant]

Done all that bud but the piston I have may be wrong.

[@williamwebster213]

cool looking little motor

[@MrGmoney48]

Sad that she didn't fire. Thoroughly enjoy your videos though. You're more patient than I am. That's for sure. As a matter of fact, I'd redeposit it back in the lake.

[@bizarreandbrilliant]

haha, that would be giving up lol

[@bonniehollingsworth1996]

Don’t give up. Your struggle is admirable. Now you see why they threw it in the pond 🤪

[@international4900]

Can these pumps leak oil into the pump from the engine?

[@amirulakmal5205]

nice work bro. u did so well. dont give up

[@mealex303]

Did you turn big black switch to on? Also check spark plug wire for corrosion

[@bizarreandbrilliant]

It runs great now with no smoke at all bud

[@professionalidiots101]

Martin, I don't have the manual for that exact engine. However I have the manual for a gxh50, (similar setup). This shows the camshaft lobe pointing directly down (a mark also on the corresponding gear tooth) this must align directly with a mark on the camshaft drive gear. Other than that, I agree cupped piston is giving poor compression. Hope this is of some help.

[@peetre]

I agree. timing is off, that is why it is puffing out the carb. I also agree, pull start has a problem, and i would use a drill to crank it

[@SecondHandDIY]

i recomend you look at some videos on like honda motor bike vides on timing that way im surew some one shows how to figer out you timing by what valve is oping and closing at the time piston is coming to top keep reserching it you will find it

[@tmdrtn]

Hello! Great, I would not think I that the compression is lower, but you will be compressing more air compared to amount of fuel. As to the position of the cam; my answer is that BOTH will work! As long as piston is at tdc!

[@GRicsi89]

Intake valve close correctly? The valves and seats were rusty, you need to polish these. The timing is looking good.

[@paulelliott2861]

Looks Great mate. i bet the lack of info is frustrating. some body on you-tube land must have the solution. best off luck mate.

[@bizarreandbrilliant]

It is Paul. Cheers

[@systemsrenegade9888]

i use standard business cards to air gap the coil on my small motors seems to work well , get plenty of spark all the time and their easy to source (lol)

[@69Phuket]

Ship it to Mustie!

[@kevinbyrne4538]

LOL Wise guy. ;)

[@stevenwithanS]

Does it make you feel like it should have been left in the lake?

[@mongosaqqara]

Great job as usual...big fan...don't you like power tools?

[@bizarreandbrilliant]

I'm old skool lol

[@mongosaqqara]

@@bizarreandbrilliant Ha ok I get it...Im a builder and use my sub compact makitas everyday...thanks for the content my friend from San Diego ...i'm confident you get her running.

[@Arsonist42]

What are you feeling for with the gauges, inside the valve cover, under the valve lifters ?

[@bizarreandbrilliant]

I was setting the valve gap

[@Arsonist42]

@@bizarreandbrilliant thank you !, love these kind of videos

[@jeffreyvandewalle5916]

I’m sorry if this is mentioned before but: how did you get the exhaust-stud out of the head?

[@bizarreandbrilliant]

I drilled out the stud and retapped it.

[@Hellsong89]

5:24 welp that seal wont do much, as its spread on the cover edges, while case side has smaller area. Essentially there going be a leak on the longer sides letting air in, that turns engine bit more lean.. and lean is always mean for combustion engine. Next installing the coil, i go by hunch that this particular engine has its factory gap and feeler gauges are not that expensive not to get. Installing the pump... parts were painted to protect them from elements and from rust... why inside the pump is on bare metal that further more seems to be porous casting, that will collect all sort of crap, while full contact with water and this uneven surface wont least help water flow if you want to be perfectionist.

[@davidhollfelder9940]

Does it draw from the carb, and blow out the exhaust? Does it spark at TDC? Lap the valves..

[@bizarreandbrilliant]

The valves were lapped

[@alainrouette8149]

Great video, Valve timing seems to be off...blowback by intake valve is not good.. Never mind what other video says.... just use your functional knowledge of internal combustion engine, this engine shall start on the first starter pull when all is just right.. prepare a good hot pot of coffee, sit down, observe mindfully and meditate on all this... the answer will come to you naturally... your mind knows...you just have to trust yourself and let it speak to you..it never failed me. Good Luck!

[@alainrouette8149]

Thank you for your appreciation of my comment. I really appreciate. ..just seen your complete success in 'part 4', I knew you would succeed...you have great working skill and , to me, the most important... patience, perseverence and self- confidence! Keep on the excellent work...love your videos!

[@iamrichrocker]

maybe Mustie can help? it must be maddening...look forward to part 4..

[@bizarreandbrilliant]

I just need to know the correct valve timing bud.

[@vwcol..7719]

Looks great Martin your nearly there I can imagine theres been a few choice words 🤣 looking forward to the next one👍

[@bizarreandbrilliant]

Yes there has Col haha

[@francispalmer9737]

I bet there is not much electrical or mechanical stuff broke in your house, Nice resto.