Boogie2988 Deserves His Failure

[@Shadowcam00]

The surgery didn't ruin his marriage. He was using his wife as a live-in nurse/maid, and she wanted out for a long time, but she kindly waited until he was marginally healthier.

[@knivesintoasters]

That's probably one of the main reasons why the divorce rate is so high after weight loss surgery

[@wakawakawakawaka8804]

@@knivesintoasters true but also chubby chasers

[@brobiv2452]

Boogie I knew from 10 year ago

[@HankHillspimphand]

She was leaving before if I remember, she said she would say until the surgery and recovery. He is such a lying idiot, every story has half truths. He is somehow a crypto millionaire then a few months poor.

[@brobiv2452]

I lost al my money in crypto

[@maxoutrage7270]

Boogie learned that bad choices and boomerangs have more in common than he thought.

[@Personthatexists]

@Patrick39 bruh

[@officialcloudzzFN]

@Patrick39 Seems like a major skill issue

[@perksaviz763]

True

[@Rapgod3hoursclean]

Einer bots are very popular here on sunny

[@just3hush]

A Boogie>>>>Boogie2988

[@xhidden9817]

"He's one of the only KZbinrs that didn't let the money and fame get to his head" That aged well..

[@Dwhahaha4704]

Like fine milk

[@potapotapotapotapotapota]

@@Dwhahaha4704 slorp slorp

[@bv83x]

At the time…

[@God-xx9dw]

Another one? Who is it?

[@wqtter3209]

@@God-xx9dw yo lemme get into heaven pls man she said she was 18 in dog years

[@severalwolves]

growing up poor = “my parents had decent money but they didn’t spend enough on ME…” bro that’s not what growing up poor means

[@soloplaysgames9965]

That's growing up entitled lol

[@Sockem1223]

Buddy, people don't come out of their childhoods feeling resentful for no reason. In boogie's case they had a house and food but his parents wouldn't replace his worn out clothing, buy him a good bed or afford him other nice things like a phone or secondary education.

[@Sockem1223]

@@soloplaysgames9965 caught projecting bro

[@soloplaysgames9965]

@Rat Popsicle Mr.Rat are you projecting? Why are you getting in your feelings for me calling him entitled? The man is 48 years old. He didn't have cell phones like we did while growing up. He wouldn't have had anything but a Lan line while "growing up". His mother was a preschool teacher but he claims she was an alcoholic. His brother says the dad was an alcoholic. Either way, do you realize how many people grow up dealing with ab*sive parents. Or even S.A. He had 2 older siblings and one story says she was taken away by foster care. Another story says she ran away from home. His brother taught him to code and how to make websites before he left to college. His dad was a coal miner and his mom a teacher. They had decent money! Yeah boogies family seems really downtrodden bc he doesn't get a nicer bed and stuff for his hobbies? You have to be kidding me? I had 5 siblings and we all slept on the floor until I was in my teens. None of us had enough food to become obese. I can assure you he doesn't know what growing up poor means. He's entitled because going through hardships doesn't entitle you to restitution or sympathy. Eventually, you have to have a sense of agency and realize most people are perpetuating cycles. I could say poor me and destroy my body and blame others and be the angriest person but it does nothing for me. A victim complex doesn't make anyone more sympathetic to another. People see it for the manipulation tactic it is. There's always someone out there who's had it worse but our struggles make us who we are. I have nothing to be entitled to. The world owes me nothing rat popsicle.

[@Sockem1223]

@@soloplaysgames9965 Glad you had it worse than young boogie I guess, but that's a weird thing to take pride in. No doubt he's milking his viewer base's sympathy to validate his hopeless self pitying behavior and escape financial consequences. He hates what he's doing but the man clearly doesn't want to work either. I don't know where you got "entitlement" from tho. I've witnessed real narcissistic entitlement and it's not subtle

[@boozypixels]

Moral of boogie's story: Don't use your audience as a substitute for actual therapy

[@nouhorni3229]

Yeah he didn't have the tools tools to work his problems out.

[@MDLuffy1234YT]

Also, bettering yourself in terms of weight leads to a truly depressingly high possibility of divorce. Like, slightly more depressing than the favoritism towards ex wives in divorce court.

[@franciscor390]

That's basically Boogie in a nutshell, the guy is a manipulative leech.

[@Shadowcam00]

@@MDLuffy1234YT She wanted to divorce him for a while before then since he used her as nothing more than a personal caretaker; but she was kind enough to wait until he was less likely to die of starvation after tripping on his way to the kitchen.

[@xkarasu9705]

@@nouhorni3229 He had every tool he could ever want in his life though? Money, a wife, supporting fans, friends, a social life albeit an online one. What more could he have possibly needed??? Therapy was ALWAYS an option but the guy was too self deprecating at every turn.

[@KobatheASMRbiker]

This guy was the prime example of never sharing your financial status.

[@mikehunt4797]

Yep,lol

[@cococock2418]

I'm happy he did. OR else his moron fans would continue to donate to him.

[@JROD082384]

Sharing your financial status means nothing. Begging for money and buying an expensive ass house and a Tesla immediately after pretending to be on the brink financially is partly where Boogie went wrong in life. It is but one of many poor decisions he made in life…

[@ActuallyNickV]

Sharing what he's made is perfectly fine and if he wanted transparency, that's a great way to go about it. Buying a Tesla you can't afford and gambling your entire life savings away in the crypto market is dumb as fuck

[@bigbeefscorcho]

I’ll openly share my finances with friends and family, but I don’t generally talk to strangers about it, there’s no upside. Either they know how broke you are, or you could be making yourself a target for someone who wants your money

[@cesarlr3]

The fact that a video about boogie racked up over 1M views in 10 hours and his actual videos don’t make it past 20k views on average tells you everything you need to know about what it means to be a fallen idol

[@matthplays-2312]

I genuinely haven't looked at boogies channel in awhile... and I find it peak irony the one video that got more than 100k, was him claiming to have cancer (haven't watched it, possibly just click bait) and even then, this video got 10× more views, in a fraction of a percentage of the time

[@heiveldboy]

@@matthplays-2312 Well, it just so happens to be this extremely rare form of red blood cell cancer that doesn't really impact his life much and that allows him to keep living for years or until he commits suicide. Needless to say, I'm rather sceptical that this guy has cancer...

[@User_1dashzero]

@@heiveldboy seen in this video he was describing his systems. I have alot of the same symptoms. But I’m like 98% sure it’s just bipolar disorder or something. Would not be surprised if boogie has it bad. Lying about a health disorder to cover up mental health disorder is pretty common. My aunt lied about having close to golf ball size kidney stone. Literally 0 reason for her to lie, yet she did. She didn’t even get attention for it… some people don’t make sense man😂 we all got issues and anxiety and things we lie about, But to lie about a physical health condition, that is not real, Is just evil. Playing with peoples emotions.

[@heiveldboy]

@@User_1dashzero It could be bipolar personality disorder or even narcissistic personality disorder, but I think he's just desperate at this point. For a channel that still has 4m subs he gets an average of 20,000 views a video. That is embarrassing. More importantly, it means he does not get as much money as he used to in his prime. As I've been around since the start of KZbin I've noticed a recurring trend where a lot of once big KZbinrs really can't handle losing such a big revenue stream and the once mighty or nice KZbin personalities just turn into e-beggars trying to hold onto their channel for as long as possible. I think Boogie just spends too much money. Not only has he beaten his surgery by eating a lot, but he also spends a lot of money on both toys and sugar babes. That's why he's making so many e-begging videos these days. He's desperately trying to live above his means, at the cost of his channel's longevity. Because most people could live off of a core audience of 10k viewers. Considering he has different platforms, all with different revenue streams, he could easily make a comfortable living even with the views he gets these days. But he's gotten used to a certain lifestyle and he does not want to let go.

[@bayly1977]

True

[@OpticStarGD]

2018: divorce 2019: catastrophic fall 2021: barely came back 2022: fallen from grace

[@ClickClack_Bam]

Then he thought he was above the law & pulled a gun on someone.

[@ClickClack_Bam]

@@young-salt Lol yes. That part too.

[@logger22]

@@ClickClack_Bambro really pulled a gun on a troll

[@ktz8]

2024:Frank steals his channel

[@ardius9777]

@@logger22 should've just called the cops and closed the curtains

[@smackky]

The most impressive part about Sunny’s videos is how he makes KZbin commenters look functional

[@Geckoblade64]

Ironic coming from a KZbin comment 😂 you’re right tho

[@ineedmorecarrots6063]

thats rich coming from you

[@reece3163]

Oh the irony

[@YehudiNimol]

@@theotherohlourdespadua1131 Bitchute is where all the KZbin rejects go to. Should be called BinChute

[@Gorbigus]

This is a youtube comment so how can i trust it. Also i can be trusted im a reply

[@JonSudano]

People like Boogie make me really thankful that I never took on KZbin as a full time career, which would require a major overhaul of my content, sacrificing my privacy, mental state and relationships in the process. I'm incredibly fortunate to be able to work full time in video marketing, putting my experience as a KZbinr to good use and still having time to do KZbin stuff on the side "for fun". I regret 0 of my decisions because of that

[@lolwuttup420]

Hell yeah dude

[@cashuuu]

Good to see you're still around Jon, I enjoyed those videos you were putting out a few years back

[@tie_6583]

Boogie the exception not the norm. As SunnyV points out he deserves his failure. Plus you really should give that sam and tolki thread a gander.

[@omerosaienni9857]

For someone who does it part time. You have done well..1 million followers. I do wonder how you all grow your businesses. Doesn't look easy at all. And if a group of KZbinrs don't like you. It becomes a schoolyard on this platform. My biggest shock is how some content, like Onision, which was brain-dead stupidity got a following.

[@victorpapillon1487]

Goo fuh yuu

[@georgehernandez2156]

Dude was originally wholesome dude who nobody could make fun of. But then he showed his real self little by little. By gloating and spending everything he had.

[@jayjay86443]

Ehhh I debate on how wholesome he "really" was. BPD patients can look like little adult babies who wuv u and just need wuv, annnd then you get shived in the back. He gave off similar energy since the beginning. I will admit, his Francis videos 10+ years ago made me giggle.

[@rambles2727]

He started to deteriorate mentally over the years. I wouldn't say that his past self was "fake" or "not his true self"

[@blacksesamecandies]

My theory is Boogie was always a sociopath and was very good at acting and putting on a persona. Given all that came out about him and seeing how he acted during gaming streams, he is just an awful person. He had awful parents, especially his mother but the fruit does not fall far from the tree. Good thing his poor ex-wife got out.

[@UnfoundFilms]

@@blacksesamecandies Sociopath is a very big stretch. His behaviour doesn’t show a misunderstanding of right and wrong its more so someone with a lot of emotional immaturity. He’s clearly a very damaged person and that damage is destroying him and turning him into a worse person but certainly not sociopathic.

[@meoviona]

@@blacksesamecandies That's a bit extreme. I'd say he changed throughout the years. A year can change a person by so much. Doesn't mean someone's always hiding their true selves just because they change. Like, you don't expect a 30 year old to stay mentally 30 at 40. But why are you calling him/insisting he's a sociopath in every comment thread under this video? Like did you recently watch a "Are you sociopath" videos 💀

[@poepplays4489]

It doesn't ever matter how sarcastically or ironically or tongue in cheek they say "Give me money" it's never really a joke. Do not give millionaires your money.

[@Lazirus951]

Yea, the "woe is me I invested my retirement in crypto" is not something we should be rewarding.

[@dacypher22]

He needed to learn the lesson that if people are already coming at you, do NOT be sarcastic on stream. Because some people will take it out of context and the people who already didn't like you will take it at face value because that's what they want. It was entirely his fault for even joking about that

[@clearspira]

For me personally, Twitch ruined Boogie. I was one of those people who bought completely the ''fat guy with a soft heart'' persona of his. And then I saw him on Twitch literally wishing death to someone's mom just because he was losing. Once or twice, yeah that's just smack talk. But when it Kept On Happening I realised exactly what sort of liar he is and unsubbed. Haven't looked back since.

[@Razer5542]

Twitch has been the downfall of the internet ever since they started putting a lot of their focus on soft core porn.

[@GwyndolinOwO]

yeah that's the thing for me. Can you create a fake character for your youtube channel and have it work? sure, a lot of youtubers do that. But i think where people get a bit torn or even feel lied to is how Boogie and his real self are like, polar opposites. And it didn't help that he really did seem genuine, like with his "draw my life" videos and such. I do get that at some point he admitted that his you-tube self is a bit of an exaggeration on who he WANTS to be but the fact he can be a real dick isn't an excuse to be shocked when people are confused or even upset. For a while i was hoping he'd calm down and realize being aggressive won't win people back but that never really happened.

[@givemebeans2228]

@@Razer5542 tbh i would watch twitch if it had hardcore stuff 😎

[@Razer5542]

@@givemebeans2228 Haha, yeah they should just make it the full package while they're at it 🤣

[@NFSBeast2365]

I agree with ya, unsubbed and never looked back

[@Olav3D]

Fun fact: Boogie admitted that he spent $5000 on MTG cards in just one week. And this was 4 months ago 😂

[@THAHANDLER]

bro aint got that type of money to just be blowing it like that 😂

[@btv4120]

@@THAHANDLER He's also seeking out and paying sugar babies and escorts for company. Not even joking. Links to these sites keep popping up when he Googles stuff on livestream 😂

[@Bouldergoat]

@@btv4120 sounds like he's lonely and not confident enough to go out and get a real date.

[@michaelhernandez7978]

He admitted to spending $700 on MTG cards a few days before the begging video. He also said around the same time that he spent $100k on escorts. I spend all my money on pr0stitutes and I need you to send me your cash.

[@StaledHotCheetoh]

@@Bouldergoatnah its more of him being a picky type i bet lol cuz theres hella BBWs that would cuff him

[@bad_money]

You can't make everybody happy. I feel like Boogie tries too hard to not be the bad guy because he can't stand the idea of not being liked. That's just life. Not everyone will like you and like what you have to say. No matter what you tell them, they will never change their mind about you. Don't waste your time seeking the approval of those who have no intention of giving it to you to begin with.

[@Raebu]

i can make your mother happy

[@Gold-qt9xm]

Just here to prove I’m not a bot

[@Kakmanmartinez666]

I can relate. I grew up ignored by my family and initially it lead me to try seeking approval and praise from even random people. It's something that makes me feel accepted and wanted. Even as an adult I have this people pleasing need and it leads to a lot of disappointment when people don't recognize whatever little life wins I accomplish. My family still acts the same and I know my toxic environment is only hurting my mental health

[@thatsleepybirb]

Bro the bots need to touch some grass

[@act01]

i'll keep that in mind

[@arrynchaos9912]

Boogie had 2 choices: 1. Lose the weight 2. Hire an actual live in nurse Being this overweight never ends well.

[@SMCwasTaken]

I wish I could help him :(

[@richardjared960]

@@SMCwasTakenhe’s beyond help at this point

[@evanzappone5539]

im 6’0 240 .. im overweight .. this mfer is not overweight.. hes HUGE

[@thewisetree2292]

why?@@SMCwasTaken

[@richardjared960]

That’s what his 20 year old GF is there for

[@somebodynamedJ.]

It's sad that it had to come to this, he actually seemed like a really nice and humble guy who knew what he was doing with all that money, but as it turns out, he's not that kind of person.

[@weegeequeviucoisas9854]

Jesus Christ, 7 bot comments. How.

[@eldritchkitty2396]

These bots are SO annoying.

[@CruzifixioOG]

I maintain that he is "a really nice and humble guy", but he is also other things. No human is perfect and money does get to you.

[@justgonnacomment]

it’s rlly sad how money corrupts people

[@_V.Va_]

@@justgonnacomment It brings out how corrupt they really are.

[@Yoshi_21]

Boogie basically became what he tried so hard not to be.

[@jayjay86443]

If it's a slimeball, then all he really did was drop the "nice" persona. He's always been like this, as implied by his ex wife.

[@Carnage551]

This was always he real self behind the scenes. He’s just gotten way worse at hiding it

[@jewsaregenocidalhores]

How tf is he a slime ball?

[@exiledzebra8740]

Kind of tragic in a sense, hard to see people twist into this parody of what they once were

[@LastbutNotFirst]

he hid what he actually was.

[@tzf2fye]

Love how he can fit an hour long documentary into 13 minutes

[@enderbeast2109]

counter

[@DignityDC]

Yes 👍

[@NeedTherapyUrgently]

bro what the fuck is happening here

[@stinkystinkypoopystinkypeepee]

@@NeedTherapyUrgently RUN

[@SushYT.]

lollllllll bot ez L

[@hothotheat3000]

It’s exhausting being in a relationship with someone who is constantly anxious and constantly needs reassurance. It doesn’t matter if it’s a friendship or a romance. I had a friend who was so clingy, who constantly needed to be told that I liked her, who would freak out if I hung out with someone else, who constantly “needed” my help, who used tears and crying to emotionally manipulate me to get her way. I was TIRED. I stopped talking to her years ago and it was a relief. If this dude’s anxiety is anything like my former friend’s, then I don’t blame his ex for leaving.

[@paracosm0]

yeah apparently he would verbally abuse and manipulate her and hide behind his anxiety

[@kameronjones7139]

I feel like when he got divorced it really hurt his mental health and made him more insecure. I have been there myself in my life and can relate to that but at the end of the day we have to own up to our criticism and move forward to better ourselves

[@aceyartfrogulous]

Yh I think that’s what happened as that was when his content started declining I believe

[@michaelhernandez7978]

His wife was editing and scripting his videos. He was always like this. He's admitted multiple times publicly to being very (verbally) abusive and manipulative to his wife.

[@aceyartfrogulous]

@@user-cb9cd5qj6k really? is that ur level of maturity? u sound like ur 5 lol

[@blackedmirror5073]

The sad part is he doesn’t know how lucky he is to have a career as an entertainer and feels sorry for himself.

[@LastbutNotFirst]

dude had it made. a wife way out of his league. million in the bank. instead buys toys. he is the definition of a man-child.

[@JYNX-t4q]

@@LastbutNotFirst Didn’t boogie cheat on his wife a few years back ?

[@ClickClack_Bam]

He uses his fans to manipulate them into feeling sorry for him. The thing is I don't feel bad for him. His attempts at manipulation piss me off at him.

[@Chironex_Fleckeri]

@@LastbutNotFirst likely BPD/ covert NPD

[@lonelyyfundzz]

Lol bro you think he would end up like this ? kzbin.info/www/bejne/n2nCqKmHaNB8rJo

[@jinchuriki7022]

Growing up poor, we all have this mindset of never fumblimg money, but reality is different. Having buckets full of money will tempt us to over reward ourselves.

[@RottenMuLoT]

And it's not like you are growing up and your parents are giving you the tools they don't have themselves. The tools that you need in order to leave poverty. Mine gave me motivation and resilience. For the rest, I had to figure it out by myself. Up to this day, 30 years later, I'm still taking great precautions not to get enslaved back into that circle of hell. That mindset is giving me enough motivation to prevent myself throwing money like I should not, thus avoiding the temptation you're talking about. Poverty is such a b****.

[@thedarkdweller3476]

I grew up poor and eventually was homeless at 15. I abandoned my bio dad (who wouldn’t get a job) and over these last 10 years dug myself out of the pit he threw me in. Let me tell you I have money in the bank now and I can’t even look at it because it stresses me out. It’s so terrifying to see a comma in my bank account at all times I have so many fears it’s going to be gone again… That being said he felt like more of the guy who “grew up poor” because his parents didn’t get him everything he ever wanted. I could be wrong but that’s just my take

[@RottenMuLoT]

@@thedarkdweller3476 my mom was the one budgeting at home. My dad would curse again and again against it but in the end budgeting is giving you control, predictability, confidence and a more stress free life once you came to term with and balanced it. I would suggest you giving it a go if you are not already following one. There are great tools and community online like YNAB that help you build a very pro-active budget so when you get into the new month everything is already took care on and virtually paid. Basically you stop living pay check to pay check and worrying all the time. Hope it helps.

[@thedarkdweller3476]

@@RottenMuLoT I do budgeting. That’s how I’m able to remain in confidence of my finances, but there’s still that overwhelming panic I have regardless if I know everything is paid or not. I guess I’m just waiting for the other shoe to drop, after living so long under it feels almost wrong to be okay 😅

[@sanfordrussell8549]

It does, I know

[@DefinitelyNotAFerret]

You know, I used to think I was a terrible person. This channel helps me realize, there will always be someone worse

[@Jantarochen]

I don't know you bro, but there are always ways to better yourself and become a person others would miss

[@Eddie_Bx73]

Misery loves company

[@TylerMcNamer]

You're terrible? Nah, that can't happen, man. I'm worse! Kidding aside, we just do the best we can.

[@ondrejpalata8979]

Doesn't make you a better person though

[@nuadha5868]

Being someone who also grew up in a very poor environment and currently lives in an EVEN more poor environment, I understand completely why Boogie would save any money he can so he doesn't live that way anymore (and I wish I could). Just a shame he made so many damn poor decisions that he's back to square one and we know that Boogie's probably not going to be able to get back to where he was due to what he has done.

[@pitchblendeprotogen]

@user-tq2zb5sc2c You overworked your smooth little brain to come up with a weak segue into overdone furry hate and it just looks stupid, as it should. Try again in 5 years when you'll turn 14

[@borginburkes1819]

@@pitchblendeprotogenlmaoo 😂

[@devilmaycrysarockingdontcome]

@The Real Cat of 2020 how?

[@Hammeredveracity]

@The Real Cat of 2020 true

[@TheDearestHunter]

@The Real Cat of 2020 Bandkid humor

[@TechSource]

Do one on Unbox Therapy please. Im curious how the biggest tech channel has died and why hes buying views for his videos now. Big fan of the channel!

[@turboshazed7370]

That's a good idea

[@Rudenbehr]

His podcast is so stupid and boring. Lew thinks he’s funny but he’s just not. It’s forced.

[@NotUp2Much]

Oh hey Ed from techsaurus

[@Captain_Dark]

Wait he buying views now lol?

[@downbad_gamerz5136]

Yo Ed

[@crawlzzz]

Boogie starts to make more sense once you realize that Francis wasn't really a character

[@JerseyDevils21]

@Telegram±①⑨⑦⑧④⑧①⑦⓪⑤① screw off

[@Nickdiggr1]

Was waiting for this reply!

[@lonelyyfundzz]

Lol bro you think he would end up like this ? kzbin.info/www/bejne/n2nCqKmHaNB8rJo

[@WobblesandBean]

Yuuuuuup. Francis was ALWAYS the true Boogie.

[@JerseyDevils21]

@@WobblesandBean fr

[@zetastreaker47]

“My car payment is more than my Twitch and KZbin revenue.” Okay, then maybe don’t buy a car worth more than you make.

[@Kayle4]

I grew up feeling so much empathy for Boogie and was so excited that he was finally doing well. I really wanted to watch him become happy and healthy, maybe settle down again. Now, it's just too sad to check in on him anymore.

[@ophhate]

He never did anything tho like why watch some dude just talk about...his life lel. Lets give him money yeah thats it!

[@vixxcelacea2778]

Fuck man. This is exactly how I feel too. He's in desperate need of what I would call overhaul therapy, the type that makes you see the world completely differently. His mother was an atrocious beast who tried to take out his eyes, among plenty of other shit he's been through. Him being unable to accept something like that as horrible as it actually is means he also can't actually move on from it. You see it a lot in abuse cases. I've talked to many people who tell me some horrific story of their past and pass it off as not that bad. The only way to heal from a wound is to understand the effect it actually had. If you think it's a surface level scratch and it's actually a bone deep gash, how can you expect to clean all the debris out and have it heal properly? Acknowledging how damaging something is and the damage it caused is the only way to repair it. I went through that journey myself and am still going through it. Not dismissing how damaged I became (and damage I invariably cause, mainly to myself, but also sometimes others) because of what I went through and letting myself understand how deep the wounds go is the only way I can get them to heal properly and it's a painful long process that many people, I suspect Boogie himself don't want to go through because it's terrifying. You only get as fat as Boogie when something is really really wrong, often mentally if not also physically. His weight is just a manifestation of all the terrible shit he's hurt by. I was glad when he used the gastric bypass as a tool, but it's a tool and tools only work when you use them well and effectively with other tools. You can have a hammer, but no nail or vice versa and you'll be just as stuck as if you had nothing at all. The shittiest part of all is that damaged people can do damaging things, which eventually erases and erodes empathy people otherwise would of felt for them and makes them even more damaged.

[@vixxcelacea2778]

@@ophhate That's most of the top people on youtube. Vlogging is literally that. Hell, that's a lot of celebrities overall like Kardashians and such. We're social creatures. We like to learn about experiences and thoughts from others outside of ourselves, especially when their life is different than the norm or idealistic/disaster compared to our own.

[@ophhate]

@@vixxcelacea2778 the kardashians are different because bruce jenner was a GOLD MEDAL winning athlete. Now thats more intresting than....some dude in front of his camera in utah or whatever? I like vlogs from interesting people who are in places i woukd like to go...not some dude in idaho. You see what i mean?

[@MagnetDzn]

@@vixxcelacea2778 no, losers do.

[@thenekozombie4316]

Honestly, I’m thankful that I’m no longer in a state in my life where I had to wonder whether I’d eat for the day or be able to get home for the day. So glad you posted today

[@RBelmont007]

Those times of having to decide if you get to eat, or your car does are some of the worst moments one can experience. Glad to hear you've risen above them, and I hope you stay that way.

[@creativeape8994]

Is that eating once a day?

[@computernerdinside]

Don't I know the feeling. Im just about at that point myself. Glad you're past it, my dude.

[@lonelyyfundzz]

Lol bro you think he would end up like this ? kzbin.info/www/bejne/n2nCqKmHaNB8rJo

[@TrueUnderDawgGaming]

I simply don't believe him saying "I never made much money" As someone who gets 1/10 the views he does, I make more than enough to live happily. Combine that with sponsors and I have enough to travel whenever I want, and so on. There's just no way he wasn't rolling in cash every year for a good while.

[@Shamino1]

I looked into your channel. I couldn't find a single interesting thing. It's 101% designed around youtube clickbait low-yield ad-clicks with the absolute most generic titles and photos that I'm not unsure whether or not this channel of yours is managed by bots. God, KZbin's become such dogshit.

[@TrueUnderDawgGaming]

@@Shamino1 my average view duration is 6 minutes so people enjoy the content. It pays very well, especially for uploading 3x a week. The point of my comment was about how Boogie is likely lying about his income. If my channel makes $7-$10,000 a month on ads alone, then Boogie was swimming in cash. Even DarkSydePhil (who everyone makes fun of) averages $200 a stream. So if he streams each day he would still somehow make more money than Boogie claims to make

[@Shamino1]

@@TrueUnderDawgGaming Appreciate the insight, it turns out the 'ad-pocalypse' wasn't an apocalypse at all, it was just a monolithic institution forcing people to put out objectively generic looking and sounding content to keep up impressive ad revenue. I haven't seen an ad on youtube in 12 years though- here's hoping the rest of the world starts getting ABP, XSS NoScript, and UBOrigin to reduce advertising!

[@thelocalcrusader9522]

I believe the answer is he just spends it all even if he makes not just good but great money

[@ohio72213]

To be fair itd have to be a pretty large pile of cash for him to roll around in it lol

[@Dano10101]

It's a wake up call, dear viewers. Please stop taking your online relationships with content creators beyond the acquaintance level. They are not your friends, you will never develop any form of bond and you should certainly NEVER EVER give them your money!!! It's mind boggling, on one hand you have a person who does not know the other beyond their physical appearance (sometimes not at all) and their rhetoric within their uploads. On the other hand, you have a person who does not even realise the other exists. The Ryan Haywood saga comes to mind, people were devastated because they'd developed feelings. To me he was an entertainer and nothing more. Learn to separate reality from the online.

[@NH007]

Boogies wife is a W. Respect for her not wanting to get as much money off of Boogie as possible and just as much as she needed

[@ehyzen]

holy shit the bots in replies are insane

[@waltuhwhite965]

@@ehyzen ikr only me and you are not a bot

[@Slayyyaphine]

It's not about what the wife wants it's what the court decides which is why it's called a divorce settlement

[@matics898]

She's living her best life with the true love of her life Skinny Pete.

[@WillThat]

I'm no boogie fan, but that was virtue signaling at best. My ex wife said the same thing when she brought me to court knowing she'd get double what she said she wanted.

[@Soufriere84]

This is crazy. I used to know Boogie IRL -- he lives in the same city I do -- and he was always friendly with me and everyone else around. Note that I met him in situations where he wasn't filming, but anyway… this was when he was still married and before he had surgery. His wife (everyone liked her) really kept him on an even keel. He's definitely become pathetic in the six years since I last spoke with him… now a poster-child for why therapy is important

[@avp6671]

lol hi boogie!

[@Soufriere84]

@Bradley Mitchell Did happen, dude. Like I said, I only met him and his wife a few times and it's been years. My then-GF worked in the shop where he bought his Magic cards which is just down the street from my house. I don't know where in Fayetteville Boogie lives and I don't care. Not my business.

[@Soufriere84]

@@avp6671 lol my relationship fell apart way before his did, and I've never posted a single video. I'm GLAD I'm not him because at least I knew I was f*cked up enough to need therapy… and I'll never buy a Tesla

[@izack5596]

@Bradley Mitchell you act like you would know lol. keyboard warriors need a life

[@CoffeeTrav]

@Bradley Mitchell you think famous people have just never met people who arent famous before?

[@DeeRhoe]

It's really sad seeing him like this, I was a teenager when I started watching him. It's one of those sad realities that hit you as you get older.

[@DeeRhoe]

@Nоt RickRоII 🅥 You SAY you're making fun of bots, but I'm still skeptical. XD

[@whatisheartscont2be645]

Wow how dangerous greed can be...

[@hewhoshallnotbenamed5168]

I'm simultaneously sympathetic to Boggie and all that's he's been through with his weight, divorce, and mental health, AND apathetic as a result of his constant negativity, his inability to handle criticism, attacking fans, and his self inflicted financial woes. Boggie's story is a tale of triumph, tragedy, humbleness, and insufferable egotism.

[@dickdiamonds3410]

Boggie? You mean King Cobra?

[@lukehanlon3814]

I’ve been here…In the religion of theosophy and the philosophical school called anthroposophy, the Akashic records are a compendium of all universal events, thoughts, words, emotions and intent ever to have occurred in the past, present, or future in terms of all entities and life forms, not just human.

[@nca877]

You can’t even spell Boogie…

[@hewhoshallnotbenamed5168]

@@nca877 You mad son?

[@RenderFen]

@@nca877 it could justve been autocorrect? Or maybe English is not their first language

[@peterfranc6370]

The fact that he was so rich yet failed to pay off his house then buy a Tesla he couldn't afford clearly shows even from the beginning he lied about saving his money.

[@grumpynomad3551]

Cocaine is a wonderful drug.

[@smaugkat]

You can see that in how much the stuff grows in the background of his videos. He keeps getting stuff.

[@migovas1483]

because Debt makes you rich... or so they say...

[@YeeHaww]

@@smaugkathe kept buying and buying and now he got no money left to buy anymore 💀

[@cavemantero]

he's still lying...I doubt he's even broke. This is the same begging formula TheManaSource and DSP uses. Its nothing new.

[@unnamedxx]

Imagine if he actually went to therapy after the divorce instead of using his audience and bank account as a substitute.

[@THERES_BEES_EVERYWHERE]

He definitely would not have had his current financial problems if that happened.

[@goromarimba]

That's the thing that blows my mind. Guy had been talking about his anxiety and the importance of taking care of one's mental health for years, yet he doesn't seem to be actively doing the proper thing of going to therapy.

[@jimmydesouza4375]

Therapy is a scam though. You've never known anyone that's gone through it. The simple reality is that therapy is programming people to say that they "feel better" while they actually feel just as bad and often end up feeling worse. Usually with a side of prescribing a massive drug cocktail that actually makes the problem worse through addiction.

[@goromarimba]

Go to therapy, my child. From the looks of it, you definitely need it.

[@markarih]

@Hailey bum take

[@hope6571]

I never watched Boogie, but he is just that huge example of why you should never stop improving yourself. It is remarkable that a guy who had issue with his weight (big time) was more stable and reasonable than his healthier version. Many people are just shining after such a big success with their health, but for some reason with Francis it got exactly the opposite. People would point out the divorce, but if he was honest their separation was actually super civil and mature. Why he all of the sudden felt the urge to whine and complain and looking for validation AT HIS AGE is beyond me.

[@ic7846]

I actually learned a lot about eating disorders, abuse and mental health through his story, which I will always be thankful for. It really saddens me to see someone go down this path. In the end he's the one having made the decisions though...

[@narvi5779]

the decisions... I'm sorry but I laughed when sunny said he was 100k in debt because of the tesla and still had 200k to pay on his house like. HOW do you do that. Then he said he was going to take his crypto money and invest it into a more stable market but instead he kept investing in crypto and lost it all.

[@ic7846]

@@narvi5779 yeah it's crazy how fast people can spiral out of control

[@homelessalcoholic2716]

@Narvi He had the money to make house payments and purchase an affordable vehicle, I guess he just got a bit of cash and forgot that money is not an infinite resource

[@viruscure4677]

@@narvi5779 crypto is just a pyramid scheme, albeit the biggest pyramid scheme in history....

[@KoolKeithProductions]

@@ic7846 Its crazy. I remember when I used to watch Boogie back in the day and he would end every video with "thank you for watching and I love you very much..." Unlike many youtubers, It felt like he really meant those words to his audience when he said it, and now I wonder if he ever really did 🤔

[@Utonian21]

I try not to be a gullible person, but I'll never forget the betrayal I felt when I found out Boogie had been putting on a mask all the years I watched him. I loved his Francis character, and I had always thought that Steven was a genuinely nice guy, until he revealed who he truly was. It's honestly hard for me to have any sympathy for him

[@toniomiklo2406]

He turned out to be much worse than his character Francis.

[@GloomGaiGar]

No one on the internet is real. It's not that you're gullible too, it's just your nature to see the best in people but the thing with influencers and content creators is they always show their best curated side.

[@random72578]

he was trying to entertain and make money bro thats all youtubers really care about

[@Omni7600]

I disagree. I don't believe for a second that boogie was a bad person all along, and neither should you. People change, and not always for the better, there are countless examples of this. Personally I believe that boogie was a good person that took a bad turn, and despite the way he ended up, he wasn't that kind of a person all along.

[@kungolaf4499]

He managed to be a reasonable person managing criticism and accepting his faults up until like 2016. Then cracks started to show up, bad turns were taken, broken marriage and floogates of the past were opened. And here he is now. The person he would have been without his wife.

[@diagorasofmelos4345]

It says a lot about someone when you suspect their cancer diagnosis is a setup for a scam.

[@lasskinn474]

haha, right? boogie's the male ALR. I wonder if boogie has a definable cycle his bs goes around.

[@GALuigi]

His mental state went straight down after the divorce. Very sad.

[@strangegaming3060]

I never watched Boogie avidly, but I remember, when I was in high school, a video titled something like, "My Sad Life Story" or something like that, where he narrated over himself drawing a slide-show of his life on a whiteboard, and his story nearly brought me to tears. It was so f'ed, and I found it inspirational because I told myself, "How can such a nice guy have come from some such a bad background?" It gave me hope that I could one day be as wholesome as him, and then the mask started to slip, and I started hearing about/seeing him do incredibly f'ed up things. It seemed like every week something new happened on his Twitch stream or he got in trouble with the police, and he kept blaming it all on his mental illness, and playing this sympathy game on his audience, and I thought back to that one sad video I watched a long time ago, and said, "Ah. Now it all makes sense." He never had grown beyond his tragic upbringing. He was swallowed by it. He had become every bit as abusive and manipulative as his mother (assuming she really was as bad as he said she was.) Even if he lied about that, this type of behavior doesn't generate itself in a vacuum. He learned it from somewhere, or at the very least, his family failed to ween it out of him at a young age. And now the titles of every single one of his videos asks so much of his audience: "Help me." No, Boogie. We can't help you. Only you can do that now. I only hope that you WILL someday.

[@Ghost572]

Imagine when you find out that its a fabricated story, guy just manipulates people to feel sorry for him.

[@strangegaming3060]

@@Ghost572 did he fabricate it? It would explain his behavior but I also wouldn't put it past him to exaggerate elements of an otherwise true story to tug at our heartstrings

[@Ghost572]

​@@strangegaming3060 They had a whole subreddit of video evidence on this guy, he would be saying one thing (serious statements such as rape etc to get his audience to feel sorry for him), then back tracking and trying to manipulate it that people were reading into it wrong and he didn't mean what he said despite these statements being very specific. The thing is chronic liers can't lie forever, he got exposed for making stuff up, tried to denie it and people just left, its not like his content was really that good. Also his wierd behaviour on tik tok doing duets with 13 year olds when he had no top on and then acting like its perfectly normal thing to do at the age of 45. The only people remaining watching his stuff/donating are the brain dead. The no hopers of ever having any critical thinking skills because my god was it obvious that this guys character was bad. I'm just glad this emotional manipulator is a dying channel now, it must be killing him.

[@sugarsore]

@@Ghost572 That is such bs. There is no evidence he made up any of his past.

[@sugarsore]

@@strangegaming3060 Dude he was beaten and molested by both his mother and father. That's why he's so messed up.

[@aub023]

Wow... He really changed a lot. It's quite sad to see the difference between before and after the surgery. He didn't realize when making such a good decision (surgery), his whole life would fall apart. Beyond that, even his voice changed. Before it was more happy and softer, after it was much more aggressive and even a bit whiney at times.

[@PhenomenalJec]

@Hiirohebiretro It should be illegal to have this many bots on a platform all at once

[@ktbecstasy]

@YeaMan aa

[@PAEz...]

@Hiirohebi Retrograde Maybe Elon could buy and fix it?

[@MattSuguisAsFondAsEverrr]

@@PAEz... hell no

[@TheRealRusty2006]

@Nоt RickRоII 🅥 Definitely a rickroll

[@cherryhazard8002]

Boogie is exactly the reason you should always avoid the people that are "Such great people" and that always have some sob story up their sleeve whenever they talk to anyone.

[@hexkaze5849]

I will never trust anybody that comes of as a active virtue signaler lol

[@munchkin5097]

he is live on twitch rn talking about it www.twitch.tv/boogie2988

[@D0NU75]

idk how people dared to call him the "Mr Rogers" of youtube, nobody will ever be as pure and based as Mr Rogers

[@jayjay86443]

@@D0NU75 That's the thing: Only he seriously calls himself that. It was a forced meme that died rather quickly. Boogie is lucky God "forgives" sleazy slobs too pathetic to sentence damnation to, because what he did was blaspheme one of his angels.

[@HülyeLó]

@@IIXLR8II Idk man. I think the best for you and those around you is if you find the thin line between being a dick and a "nice guy". This slim line is called being assertive. You are generally respectful but are also very clear about your boundaries and don't let others take advantage of you. This is what worked for me on the long run

[@MrRiffMusic]

Time for yet ANOTHER update!

[@that_puffsley_guy]

Seeing boogie now hurts. I was a huge fan in the early days because he seemed like such a down to earth guy and someone I could relate to as someone who is overweight. He's almost not recognizable now

[@dutchdoggogang6882]

Go work out now

[@QUBIQUBED]

@@dutchdoggogang6882I agree with your advice

[@lunar9650]

@@dutchdoggogang6882 yes

[@shyshy1894]

I totally get it. Seeing someone you related to turned out to be a not so good person, it sucks. But thankfully, there’s a lot of KZbinrs on the platform so I’m sure you’ll find someone new who you can relate to :D

[@karlieakaike3311]

Dude get out there and do what you can to cut those calories, you've got this

[@IntentChief]

This is a sad story but your boogie videos are definitely something to be thankful for

[@___DRIP___]

Boogie1488 should have given up 10 years ago. He’s done. Edit: Every comment here except one is a bot. Jesus it’s getting so much worse in the last couple years

[@cuckadoodledoo]

@@___DRIP___ most of them are in Europe

[@dannydevito5558]

so many bots wtf

[@IntentChief]

@@dannydevito5558 yeah for real

[@Weather_67]

@@IntentChief like in tf2

[@Subarashii_Nem]

What made me stop watching and supporting Boogie was the fact I got sick to death of every other video and conversation on stream turned into a pity party. I suffer from depression, severe anxiety and agoraphobia. Other than telling people that to give them a heads up, that's all I say about it unless they're family or one of my very few close friends who ask me how I'm really feeling and drag it out of me. I don't come to KZbin to listen to someone else whine and moan about that every other minute. Sometimes I wanna see how someone's doing so if there's an update video once a month or something then that's fine but I'm not a therapist and I have my own stuff to deal with. I don't have the mental fortitude to be someone else's online therapist they unload on for 10 minutes every damn day. It's doubly bad when that person also lies, says really messed up stuff about demographics that I or people I love and care about fall under and when that person is constantly throwing a pity party even when they've been offered all the help in the world. He also had the means to actually do something about his issues for a LONG time but chose not to do anything. He complains about money all the time but has collections of vintage playing cards, a bunch of collectibles and loads of other stuff he can sell for quite a tidy sum of money. If he's in that much need, all that should go first. Those are a luxury, if you're really that hard up for money, you sell that stuff but no, he just e-begs every damn day as if people watching him aren't also struggling, who don't have half the assets he does yet still expects them to give him money. Sorry for the rant, but this guy infuriates me to no end.

[@xxboootxx]

Goddamn that's alot!

[@josephchandrasegaran276]

Well said

[@IAmTheRealHim]

Hey like that corpse song

[@HannahShae16]

That’s basically the same reason I stopped watching him too. I have depression, anxiety, & borderline personality disorder & around the time he started really unloading all his struggles on KZbin, I was recovering from a sexual assault & made me have a complete breakdown. I was dealing with enough stuff in my own head (the ptsd dreams from the assault is just one of the things I was struggling with) & dealing with everything around me falling apart in my life because I was completely mentally destroyed. It was a very dark time & I just could not deal with his shit on top of my shit so I unsubscribed. I’d check in on him once in a while about his weight loss but once his true colors started coming to life, I stopped caring about him entirely

[@HaRacycEBLErAtIng]

Spot on!

[@shanes6382]

He got divorced because he was spending $100k+ on prostitutes.... not because of his "anxiety "

[@Argumemnon]

From the documentary I got the impression that he spent that money after his divorce, but given his current behaviour with his new Dez, it wouldn't surprise me if you were correct.

[@tgiacin435]

And he made a prostitute quit her profession

[@darklordsauron3415]

@@tgiacin435Good!

[@Italiaasher]

​@@tgiacin435haha, no.. she did that because his addiction bank rolled her education, and new career..

[@tgiacin435]

@@Italiaasher still though, listening to her saying rolls upon rolls upon rolls makes me think was kinda unsettled by the interaction

[@WallyTony]

Whenever Boogie says he's broke just remember he has a Magic the Gathering card sitting there worth over 40k.

[@SIPEROTH]

Magic has become such bullshit that i wish everything came down and became worthless.

[@WoeBringer1195]

What card? Lol

[@glamglam8347]

forget the card, look at the mans teeth. thats all you need to know about him financially

[@Living_on_a_thin_line]

lmfao. I got no remorse for this lardbeast.

[@WobblesandBean]

@@WoeBringer1195 Among many other very expensive manbaby toys that he refuses to sell.

[@spikesya]

The thing that people seem to miss is that it's not just bad choices or bad luck that has led to Boogie having a completely trashed reputation, it’s the fact that he is a truly nasty, bitter & resentful person. You can only hide that for so long. Just look at how he has reacted to this video. He has selected a handful of the meanest comments, tweeted them out saying ‘Look at who this guys audience is’, & ‘Fuck this guy’. He is just not a good guy, & more people wake up to it every day.

[@thunderfan1435]

Keeps proving the haters right and he truly hopes he is

[@jayjay86443]

Shame people are still drowsy. By the time everyone is truly awake, he already got away with other heinous actions.

[@SuperSayinSolidSnek]

I'm still subbed and I look at his videos occasionally to check the comments and they're overwhelming positive. although some seem like they might be sarcastic, most seem genuine. Point being, his fans still around him seem like sycophants

[@spacequack5470]

@@SuperSayinSolidSnek Thats bc he deletes the the majority of comments

[@dtown313]

It’s like people who are bad with money winning the lottery and go broke. He lucked into KZbin fame and couldn’t keep it up.

[@Wingspand1]

I haven't seen Boogies stuff in years but back in 2018 I was out of school, still in my parents house that I have bad memories in, working a night job alone in a factory as a janitor and working so much I had no social life. Was in a dark spot but I remember Boogies positivity was enough to stop me from ending my life. So seeing him ending up like this is a little sad.

[@liyam491]

i’m glad you’re still here❤

[@JustChadC]

Yeah, it’s like H3 or some other KZbinrs.

[@astahfirula]

Drawn strength from the fact that he managed to help you in your darkest hour. Even if now his life is falling apart and it us his fault, that doesn't change the fact that at the very least, he managed to reach out and make a positive impact in one life. Yours. Peace my friend, hope things are better for you now.

[@user-mw4dx3nu7t]

Hang in there bro

[@Oronjalllo]

@@JustChadC explain?

[@Nanomaroni]

I wish I could just ask a crowd to give me 10k just to pay my bills once. Some people really forget how lucky they are because their hard work initially paid off.

[@supercalifragilisticex]

His first mistake was mentioning money and income, although it's being transparent it can quickly become a problem when the fans think that's the only reason for doing KZbin. 2:28

[@kwisatzhaderach1458]

The character Francis was Boogie's unfiltered real self. It was an outlet.

[@ScubaSteveM45]

He should be glad he was able to make a dime from it at any point

[@crackerhime]

This is an underrated and very accurate comment.

[@williamakers1101]

Always seemed very obvious, but I could see where the young and naive not get that. It's usually the case for anyone who is constantly doing a single 'character'

[@ScubaSteveM45]

@@williamakers1101 I think it's the byproduct of millennials and gen Z spending even more of their time online: people in Gen X like me were always skeptical of things said and claimed online as there typically is no credible way to verify what is being declared while younger generations flip this around and treat what is viewed online as factual and realistic more so than anything they'd see in person offline. To put it another way they were certain he was just like that off camera too since they saw it online

[@justsomeguywithagoatee8337]

Honestly, Francis was more likeable.

[@kobra6660]

Literally a perfect example of rise and fall of a youtuber

[@anti-ethniccleansing465]

I know this is a random question, but at 13:21, do you know why SunnyV2 describes YT ad revenue as “viewer donations?” I thought “Sunny” here was smarter than that. I’d ask him directly if he had the decency to interact with his comment section, but it seems he never does.

[@0638]

@@anti-ethniccleansing465 hey man people mess up at times, videos will never be perfectly crafted, there will always be a mistake in a perfect canvas

[@fives2155]

Man, this is honestly a truly tragic story. He had everything, and then threw it away

[@jannadark8100]

tragic greed :)

[@Videogamelover58]

Yea

[@ForgottenNavigator]

Having gone through a terrible divorce I can understand how hard it can be to manage your mental health in the aftermath. This guy though... this is a textbook spiral. Positivity attracts positivity.

[@zokazokarai8758]

It wasn’t even the divorce that caused this lolol

[@Ghost572]

It was the part where he started firing hand guns outside his house and in general being a shit person while pretending to be nice.

[@kiwiseatpumpkinpie1709]

@@Ghost572wasn’t that because he had a stalker/person who just kept bothering him and recording him?

[@ifirespondiamstupid7750]

@@zokazokarai8758 One of the causes *

[@awesomeman8385]

Best choice i ever made was choosing to ho to a therapist after my wife left. I recognized i was spiraling and needed help.

[@papicholo5586]

You know you hit rock bottom when SunnV2 makes a documentary about you

[@ronaldmaday]

Twice*

[@ShaunInce123]

@@ronaldmaday 3 times.

[@Jay-uu5lu]

Knock off team downfall

[@jackyzimmerman]

*sees my face in a sunny thumbnail* *slowly loads gun*

[@COVID-1901]

Depends

[@officialcloudzzFN]

Boogie was literally steamrolling his life from the start

[@Twenty-Seven]

You can't _literally_ steamroll an idea. You use the word "literally" when you are clarifying that something is physically happening and not just a metaphor or exaggeration. "Literally" and "seriously" do not mean the same thing.

[@respha9925]

@@Twenty-Seven no its cuz hes fat and rolls on anyone who dare steps in front of him.

[@officialcloudzzFN]

@@Twenty-Seven k

[@dunes1011]

@@Twenty-Seven I was about to write the same thing. I've noticed a staggering number of American's somehow misuse this word.

[@immorttalis]

@@Twenty-Seven "Literally" has been used as an intensifier for around a decade now, so you might as well get used to it being used like this. Edit: Checked, it's actually been used like this since the 1800s, lmao.

[@cozmoroller]

7:40 boogie sounds like he's speaking through a drive-thru mic lol

[@garrett0200]

I used to watch boogie back in the day and he seemed like a down to earth, humble guy. He talked about life and some of his everyday struggles which was really relatable and refreshing. I think over time the success changed him and he became the money hungry husk of youtuber we know today.

[@lg8048]

Money doesn't change a person, it just reveals and amplifies what/who they already were.

[@fatbroccoli8]

@@lg8048cool quote but it's just another way of saying money changes you without actually saying it

[@fatbroccoli8]

I think he just lost the love of 'youtubing' took it for granted and was just going through the motions like you do in any mundane job

[@Shinkajo]

I think many of us make this fallacy that we would be just as we are now if we struck it rich, while in reality, it's very hard to know for sure until it happens. We also like to craft narratives in our head that paint us in a certain light both to others and ourselves to cope with the fact that we are not as rich and powerful as some people. It's also easier to act all high and mighty(morally), "down to earth", reasonable and relatable when we have no other option to begin with. Willpower only last so long and I think it's relatively easy to just say YOLO and fuck it after a while, to get a taste of how the 1% and up lives as. We get glimpses of it every day and the rich live the way they do for a reason, because it's obviously rewarding, both personally and socially, to do so. Constant self-denial isn't fun, unless your a masochist or a priest.

[@garrett0200]

Yeah I personally don't subscribe to the idea that money, material possessions, and power don't at least have some impact on how a person thinks, acts or behaves. Its easy to be like oh I wouldn't change if I won the lottery but the reality is you don't actually know. I think a better way of phrasing it is the propensity someone has to change when exposed to things like that. Some people don't, some people do.

[@NJHS92]

when i started watching boogie he just sounded like the nicest guy. his neckbeard made him look like a fluffy and friendly bear. Every content creator always praised him for being the nicest guy on the plattform and i believed it. It was heartbreaking to find out the truth

[@justinluc2572]

It's painful to see a person you like give up on their dreams. It's even more painful to see a person fall so far from what you thought they'd be.

[@JaymeSplendid]

Well, thats what you get for basing an opinion on someone who only shares a small, curated version of themselves. I just don't get people who get emotionally invested into people they don't even know.

[@justinluc2572]

@@JaymeSplendid Some people have something called "emotions" and unfortunately, not everyone has a stick up their ass like you and can't feel anything towards anyone else.

[@Kai_221]

Lost to Wings Of Redemption

[@sophiaisabelle027]

Somehow we can never really predict people's intentions. They may appear as though they could never do anything particularly harmless, but there are cases where it's the exact opposite of that.

[@Braves2Dawgs]

Boogie’s downfall is one of the most heartbreaking there is. It’s sad but he did it to himself.

[@mtf-alpha-1]

The more things change, the more they stay the same. Boundaries shift, new players step in; but power always finds a place to rest its head. We fought and bled alongside the Russians; we should've known they’d hate us for it. History is written by the victor, and here I am, thinking we'd won. But you bring down one enemy and they find someone even worse to replace him. Locations change, the rationale, the objective. Yesterday's enemies are today’s recruits. Train them to fight alongside you and pray they don’t eventually decide to hate you for it, too.

[@uncleruckus69420]

@@mtf-alpha-1 tf are you talking about, last I checked this countries gov has done everything in their power to oppose the Russians don’t sit there like a victim

[@duckdodgers9557]

@@uncleruckus69420 WHOOOOSH ✈️

[@mtf-alpha-1]

@@duckdodgers9557 bro got wooshed so hard lmaooooooo

[@maxwellsope1080]

@@mtf-alpha-1 LMAO thank you so much for that post. I am laughing my ass off at everyone who fell for this.

[@mashedpotatoes3285]

Sunny is one of the only reasons why I find documentaries so interesting. Keep up the good work!

[@mashedpotatoes3285]

Thanks for the constructive criticism kind citizen

[@RobTFilms]

So not the subjects he's talking about???

[@mincraffkoolistgam4557]

His videos are more “entertainment” than informative

[@WhatZachDoes]

This is crazy to watch. I used to watch him way back when he was like going to weight loss boot camp. I was going to reach out and have a fitness journey for him and do a collab. Wow. Tough to watch.

[@ToastyMann]

12:02 I love how much emphasis he's putting on each example other than the words "never feel pressured". "Never feel pressured to *PLEASE GIVE ME ALL OF YOUR FUCKING MONEY RIGHT NOW"*

[@michaelhernandez7978]

He spends 10 minutes telling you all about how he has more money than you and he i's rich, and then starts begging.. wtf is wrong with this psychopath

[@michaelhernandez7978]

"never feel pressured.. to BUY a T-SHIRT."

[@munchkin5097]

he is live on twitch rn talking about it www.twitch.tv/boogie2988

[@user-wj6jh1cd5n]

@Joshua Roehl howdy, could I interest you in some code? It's far better than the open source crap from GitHub you're using. Only $500

[@Bendaak]

Awesome comment Toasty. Biggest laugh I’ve had today 🤣

[@BeardedCarlos]

It's so sad to see the downfall of someone I used to really enjoy watching back in the day. I haven't kept up with him for years, but he's just another reminder that people rarely are who they put in front of the world.

[@SEEYAIAYE]

Nobody ever is on social media, people kind of forget that.

[@WobblesandBean]

Yup. He put a fake persona up in the early years, then the mask slipped and he's been spending all his time since flip flopping between desperately trying to convince people that the mask was his true personality, and lashing out at people as his true insufferable self for not blindly believing his lies and manipulation anymore.

[@kenkerrison8962]

Dude if you think Boogie's bad look up Adam Britton. That sick bastard is a classic example of image vs reality.

[@ophhate]

You used to watch a dude, do nothing and talk to a screen. Talk about a sheep

[@AngelofDeath-Y2K]

@@SEEYAIAYE nah not 100 % fact.. majority of the time yes but there's the rare ones that do

[@tomosmells]

I remember feeling bad for boogie a couple years ago, I wasn't aware of the kind of person he was, I knew someone like him in my own life and had to abandon them because this kind of personality type cant be helped and wont take blame for any situation they are in, they seek sympathy from others even though they offer little in return, and they do not have a method of coping with life themselves, small problems become big, big problems become giant and at the end of it all there will never be a solution, because if a solution was found what excuse would he have left?

[@cosmickatamari]

I would like to point out that he was able to further destroy his life without the SAM and TOLKI subreddit. Something he fought so hard to get removed from reddit.

[@fluffcake]

I would have felt bad for boogie if he had only listened to his audience and genuinely tried to save up, but it seems like all these bad decisions are taking their toll. That’s just how life is, unfortunately.

[@CahyaTroy]

Why? Boogy is clearly a complete slime ball narcissist. He's a genuine human pig. Why the fuck would you ever feel sorry for that sorry sack of shit? Real people are struggling so fucking hard right now. This guy deserves no sympathy at all.

[@lonelyyfundzz]

Lol bro you think he would end up like this ? kzbin.info/www/bejne/n2nCqKmHaNB8rJo

[@Sonicsis]

That’s something that makes me sad whenever someone gets publicly outed. Before it happens they have friends or people close to them trying to warn them about their behavior, but it gets to a point where you can’t keep up the friendship. It’s sad when the only reason their bad attitude didn’t come to light earlier was because of those friends who tried to help.

[@boogie2988Archives]

"You would think my anxiety would be going nuts. It isn't. I am feeling confident that I can work harder every day and use that car and debt as an inspiration to create better content. Confidence feels good." This is what a manic episode looks like. You feel on top of the world and like you can do anything, and then you crash when you realize it just isn't possible. I think homeboy is bipolar.

[@thelocalcrusader9522]

especially with the clip of his reaction before sunny showed the tweet, he goes from sounding upset and scared to tweeting about how he's extremely confident in this decision

[@lonelyyfundzz]

Lol bro you think he would end up like this ? kzbin.info/www/bejne/n2nCqKmHaNB8rJo

[@KhainesKorner]

Bipolar or BPD. My wife has BPD and has the same episodes. She's got good at spotting them though so talks to me to find out if she's making a mistake or not

[@btv4120]

That statement sounds like Boogie every 2nd day. He's definitely gonna make better content this time! He swears! Just like his weight loss promises

[@KasaJiso]

Is this the real boogie? Cause f*ck you if it is.

[@TheTrueJesusChrist]

Makes me sad. I grew up watching him and was super stoked when I saw his weight loss progress and stuff. Just unfortunate what ended up happening

[@MonkeyBusiness-]

Jesus christ

[@KasaJiso]

Jesus? Nah I don’t want dat shi ima sir with the devil.

[@patrik3482]

Weight loss progress? You mean eating like a pig and then making a surgeon cut half of your stomach out?

[@CorYxKeNshun]

@@KasaJiso ☝️🤓

[@5poopy]

damn even THE LORD is disappointed…

[@Spring_Forward_Fall_Back]

He didn't want a wife, he wanted a mommy/caretaker/human pet companion. He fell apart because he's a narcissist and once he lost the ability to bully her he went after the only power base he had left, his fans. Deplorable human.

[@brolybroly4485]

he's just like chris. im starting to understand these fatman types all too well now.

[@bigbruv5328]

Deplorable? I agree it’s bad behavior, and people shouldn’t act this way, but it’s not like what he has done is unforgivable. This is part of why I hate internet drama like this, and people like you. It’s too easy to judge others, and mark them as “deplorable” and I’m willing to bet plenty of the people judging him are just as ripe to repeating his mistakes if their lives play out similarly. Boogie didn’t murder children, he made some bad personal and financial decisions, that’s all there is to it. I wish the best for him and hope he can learn from his mistakes, pull himself back up, and even have his channel be profitable again.

[@Spring_Forward_Fall_Back]

@@bigbruv5328 You're either very young or very naive or both.

[@ramencakes5196]

Almost all twitch streamers have his mindset for women.

[@michaelhernandez7978]

​@@bigbruv5328 He is an abuser, a narcissist, a liar, and more. He is also homophobic, racist, misogynistic, an admitted ephebophile, and to this day, is STILL wasting the money he begs for from his fans on prostitutes to this day. But yeah, just a few bad personal and financial decisions, right?

[@jollyche7160]

Sunny must be so tired after making these videos week after week, yet he still deserves props for making top of the line videos and researching for true facts in order to make his videos relatable and entertaining.

[@mr.trollz796]

Fr

[@thememeguy2195]

He's carrying the careers of multiple reaction channels. How long do you think it will take for Pyro to react to this? I say 2 days at the most.

[@thatdamncrow9197]

@@thememeguy2195 not really carrying but certainly assisting

[@flixs1353]

Tired swimming in his millions in ad revenue

[@JustAroadcone]

"True Facts?" I love Sunny's video's but there entertainment not journalism, nearly all of it's conjecture based on Reddit comments. Fun to watch, but not "true facts."

[@whiltoecardhonian3054]

Don’t give KZbinrs or anyone your money, you worked your ass off for that.

[@ScubaSteveM45]

Its for this reason I really hate this new "influencer/KZbin e-celeb" era we are in. Most of those people have no business having as much money as people send them for doing zero to justify it outside of being some niche spectacle online. What did Boogie ever do besides being obese, obnoxious and a huge fan of video games? Yeah BFD he had a hard time growing up. So what?! Does that mean the Internet needs to indirectly buy him a house and a Tesla? Boogie gets fat and lives indoors and rides around in a Tesla while giving his simp fan base the finger all the while. His marriage was a joke too. If anything she was some Jenny come lately hoping he would kick the bucket being 400+ lb in a couple of years so then she could get his house and car and remainder of his money. Why else would she bail after his weight loss surgery? Its since her original plan wouldn't work anymore

[@verybadHAT]

You sound like a guy who sneaks in to cinemas, watch movies on free streaming sites and keeps drinking copium that entertainment at it's best is just fun and not work at all. I agree that supporting a bad KZbinr is wrong idea, how about KZbinrs that actually work their asses off, so you can spend quality time on your crapper watching "free" entertainment. If you are dead set on not giving back, it's fine, but leaving comments that are generalizing every person that does entertainment as grifter is just horrible, because it's not true. You literally took a nuanced issue and trivialised it with your comment and lack of experience. You and 43 people that liked your horrible comment. Shame ***ding ding *** Shame ***ding ding** Shame...

[@pixellime13]

Unless its SsethTzeentach, he deserves it

[@jasonfrost6448]

@@verybadHAT KZbin is FREE entertainment. None of the professionals on youtube are depending on money directly from viewers because they are professional so it means they have an actual income from the content they create generally from sponsors or being paid by a corporate entity. Acting like not paying a youtuber or twitch streamer to view them on a free service is theft is like thinking every time you turn on your television for any reason you owe the network a fee. As an actual professional video editor, watching a bunch of amateurs beg for tips for doing the bare minimum or just playing video games etc is ridiculous. Be grateful people invest in you but the entitlement that viewers owe you something is why you need the donations and no actual company is paying you to do it.

[@aunal149]

@@jasonfrost6448 hard agree. Also some big youtubers still running patreon accounts is just baffling to me. I can get that its a great way to make your audience help you put out more content for them. But when you already have good income from youtube and treat patreon like just another source of income, its just shameful.

[@109number9]

Boogies story is a long, drawn out, sad one. Some of his downfall is definitely his own doing, but I can’t not feel bad for him. I’m not gonna act like I was this huge fan but he lives local to me and I’ve ran into him a couple times and had a great interaction both times. I can only hope he eventually gets the help he needs.

[@alickomay7344]

yer i kinda think the "deserves" in the tile a bit far when u look at most of the pepole in this sunnyv2 channel hes not put out harmful content or scaming or misleading content yer hes made sum bad finacal choses but hes far from a bad person , on this channel i feill misled my sunny title

[@whompetgaming3881]

He doesn't seem like the worst person just a youtuber who asks for donations a lot. One thing that could have prevented this is if he pulled out of crypto once he had already gained.

[@sintupoy8428]

coming up next, why DSP is not someone to be despised.

[@sobsag]

@@alickomay7344 Actually he has abused people.

[@jannadark8100]

@@whompetgaming3881 you probably missed big part of his "communication" with the audience where he called people nzis or similar out of the blue. he's vile and toxic. I stopped to watch him years ago (probably in 2019-20 when he went full on after reddit making false claims just to shut that group down, calling people ugly names on streams and such). I might check his channel once a year to see how this lying arse commits to his diet (lol, he grows every year instead of shrinking) but I can't understand how someone still can perceive him as decent person. he's a con, he makes money by selling false personality as his own.

[@bennyarcher]

Hey SunnyV2 lad, you make sick videos! Keep em coming my brudda.

[@christianchapman9420]

Hard to feel sorry for someone who blew millions when there are people struggling to feed there kids 😕

[@jayjay86443]

Much harder to feel sorry for someone who literally hurt women in every possible way. Much harder to feel sorry for someone who used financial aid and stuff on a Gastric Sleeve only to eat back up to 600 lbs. Much harder to feel sorry for someone with such lame ways to "troll back" at someone like making infinite alts. I could go on, but Nikocado looks like a saint rn.

[@Razer5542]

@@jayjay86443 At least nikocado is funny from time to time when he complains in his scooter..

[@bigbeefscorcho]

Especially since he blew his money on escorts and Magic cards

[@2345Z]

*their

[@HeyYouYouAreFinallyAwake]

That's basically most popular KZbinrs

[@daylenjackson9996]

This is honestly a tragic story. I remember when he cared so much. It's basically a fruitless hope, but I hope he changes.

[@dinoXAs2]

Did he really care?

[@UenoLocker54]

He never really cared dude. Boogie ran porn sites back in the day and learned how to manipulate people.

[@PiousSlayer]

It was a facade.

[@baseddoggie]

He never cared. He was a BPD ridden troglodyte and always will be

[@MOG0311]

He never really cared, come on dude.

[@WobblesandBean]

What upsets me is knowing his fans will likely fork out and save him yet again as usual, and he will learn nothing because he never sees any actual, lasting consequences for his actions.

[@HLidaze]

Last time when he was bitching about his car payment he got bailed out. This time, no. No one likes his dumpy ass

[@brr4519]

it can only happen so many times before there’s nobody left to grift

[@Marcus-vc5ui]

I don’t see Boogie getting saved this time in fairness.

[@hankshill71]

He's one diet Dr pepper from a coronary, that's pretty hefty consequence.

[@ChillstoneBlakeBlast]

Reminds me of another fat guy that is a "Gamer" that took a weight guy surgery, Has issues with their relationship and has very bad ways of spending money.

[@sarahmcfadden8990]

Boogie: "I'm doing really great now! I'm the happiest I've ever been!" Boogie: "Woe as me, I'm so fat and broke. Please help and give me money!" Boogie: "I'm doing really great now! I'm the happiest I've ever been!" Boogie: "Woe as me, I'm so fat and broke. Please help and give me money!" Boogie: "I'm doing really great now! I'm the happiest I've ever been!" Boogie: "Woe as me, I'm so fat and broke. Please help and give me money!" Boogie: "I'm doing really great now! I'm the happiest I've ever been!" Boogie: "Woe as me, I'm so fat and broke. Please help and give me money!" Boogie: "I'm doing really great now! I'm the happiest I've ever been!" Boogie: "Woe as me, I'm so fat and broke. Please help and give me money!"

[@TheMetalfreak360]

I have grown up poor, and was overweight a good part of my earlier life (way better now in the weight part at the very least), so Boogie was a source of inspiration for me, when I saw that "Draw my life" video, I felt like I have found a kindred spirit in the things we have been dealing with in our life, I have never in my life had a person that I felt was going through the same, and could understand. So it was really hard for me to see the slow decline of him, I am not sure what the catalyst was for me to stop watching him, but I felt just way more disconnected with everything he said and did. I think honestly, if I am gonna point at one thing, I think it was when I started watching him stream that I started to drift away from him as a personality I followed.

[@michaelhernandez7978]

He manipulated you. He was never abused. You can look up multiple compilations of him lying about his "abuse story". He cultivated a fake personality and troubled life/childhood for money and attention. He's just a fat lazy con-artist obsessed with money and teenage girls. Nothing more.

[@FatWalterWhite69]

L bozo

[@jayjay86443]

@@techyin326 It took me 5 failed relationships to finally absorb that lesson, and yeah. Not romantic ones mind you, just professional and personal ones. You have to find a way to smell shit off someone vs when they don't, because once they "got" you, that's it. You're entangled in a hell spiral. It's easier said than done, but when you develop it? Oh goodness, life gets much easier.

[@TheMetalfreak360]

@@techyin326 Yeah, you might be right about that second one especially, the excuses. Think that is what got to me personally. I am not stating I am a perfect human being that don't do the same to an extent, but with Boogie it seemed it was everybody else all the time and nothing wrong with what he did, and he didn't seem to try to change for the better, at least in my eyes.

[@shivadarling18]

People like Boogie makes me wonder why people dream of being famous? I would be perfectly content living a fame-free life.

[@GloomGaiGar]

It clearly wasn't the fame. It was the money.

[@twalt]

they tend to not really consider the consequences

[@thebandofbastards4934]

Because some people are attention hungry.

[@ScubaSteveM45]

Anyone who acts like Boogie full-time IRL SHOULD be obscure and flat broke without two nickels to rub together. Blame the Internet for people like him being able to fleetingly grab fortune and notoriety

[@BlueTyphoon2017]

@@ScubaSteveM45 wait, why should they be broke? Like that’s it? That’s the only crime they committed?

[@Sir_Spimp]

I can’t wait to see 900 livestreamers react to this and give their two cents every 3 seconds.

[@Redditor6079]

#trending #views

[@bernlin2000]

I'll just watch Moist watch SunnyV2, that's the circle of life right there

[@Shamino1]

Calm sounding British kid using research other people have done slaps up a few seconds of videos and twitter screenshots. A midget with a grease cut and a beard using research other people have done, slaps up a recording of himself and a few twitter screenshots... I'm seeing a pattern here.

[@ShaunInce123]

Already being shipped to Pyro, XQC & Moist Critikal as we speak.

[@Sir_Spimp]

@@ShaunInce123 I love how reaction channels were shunned so hard back in the day. Now that’s literally every big youtuber/streamer’s side hustle.

[@purplehaze2358]

This is largely part of the reason why I earnestly think that content creatorship on this site is one of the worst possible careers you could take, and why it always confuses me when I see it's one of the most desired careers out there.

[@babayaga4320]

The data on marriages failing post gastric bypass surgery didn't sound right to me, so I looked it up, and Boogie is very wrong. 81% of marriages _survive_ after that surgery, far from the 85% divorce rate he suggested.

[@Rhewin]

And having seen it played out several times, the big reason that 19% fail is because the person assumes losing weight and getting healthy will fix all of their problems.

[@kameronjones7139]

Yeah that number seemed way to high honestly

[@michaelhernandez7978]

This is just what he does, he manipulates you and tells you falsehoods in a very convincing manner, and if you doubt him, he gaslights you by saying what your eyes saw isn't real and you're crazy/stupid/delusional etc. He's a master manipulator that depends on his abused audience feeling bad for him so that he can do whatever he wants whenever he wants. He begs for money to pay someone to do his chores for, he literally has his fans do his chores for him.

[@MintBerryCrunch]

@@michaelhernandez7978your probably right because he doesn’t seem like a good person I have never watched him though…just a weird flex on a statement that a person just made up a statistic lol

[@geiseric222]

@UseTheSupeRsonic I doubt that’s true but even then it makes no real sense as that’s not what happened here at all

[@michaelmiguel6937]

I think people normally get a divorce after weight loss surgery because people don’t look at you the same. You’re no longer helpless and need constant care. People still look at themselves as this heavy incapable person but they aren’t and that’s hard

[@nethandelwampa116]

Could have something to do with they both settled in the relationship and now one of them thinks they can do better

[@fantrash5698]

@@nethandelwampa116 could be a mixture of the two seeing as both were having problems with each other

[@cosmosadorabilis7677]

@@nethandelwampa116 I totally agree with you. This man was only as loyal as his options allowed.

[@Ghost572]

Nah this guy was a manipulator and a chronic lier. Never learns from anything and just carries on spouting the same old shit.

[@fantrash5698]

@Peniley Majorey what are you talking about? This person is just making a guess as to what happened, not giving marriage advice 🤨😐

[@shadowyzephyr]

12:05 "Never feel pressured to donate to me" he says, while literally pressuring you to donate to him.

[@pkshyguy]

Boogie's on his way speedrunning to become the next WingsofRedemption. He's doing pretty well in that regard.

[@OfficialHiddentest]

Or a Tmartn or syndicate 😂

[@kingscrump]

The biggest mistake he made was giving that subreddit attention. Once you become popular on any level, you MUST NOT give attention to this kind of stuff. That’s exactly what those people want they will win.

[@urgadurga]

it's actually called the "Streisand Effect" for those who didnt know. originating from when Barbra Streisand tried to get a relatively unknown picture of her house removed from the internet, and in turn, caused a bunch of commotion, causing waaay more people to see the picture then if it had just been left alone. i thiink i summed that up correctly.

[@MedroffYT]

@@urgadurga I still rather watch a Francis video than babs and rogan in the guilt trip. Not your point, i just wanted to shit on Streisand.

[@mrmusickhimself]

James Rolfe is kind of going through that right now, his recent autobiography isn't helping matters.

[@Ghost572]

Not the part where he was lying about being raped etc?

[@ZrankFappaH]

Well that’s one of the biggest problems with bad mental health, such as the condition BPD, which renders people to act very impulsively and can’t let things go. It’s wild what happens in our brains.

[@PensiveDrawer]

sunny always finds a way to get me interested in a topic ive never heard of before

[@freddyfazbear2408]

Just recently in my life (a week ago) I had to face the fact that personally I had been living in a persona where I said things that made me seem more important, more worthy of being heard and more than others around me. I hated my roots and my living situation certainly wasn't worth discussing or listening too but I painted a much more grand image so people would listen to me and so I could have control over something. I say all this because boogie has been living in his own head for years just like I was and after spending 10 years lying to myself about everything I was to everyone around me, when I told everyone tye truth I didn't know who I was or what to do anymore. I think after boogies surgery and his divorce he simply was lost without his safety net. As a person with extreme anxiety his story makes me fearful tbh.

[@MisterZimbabwe]

"We do not spend a grotesque amount of money" He says in front of a wall of overpriced nerd merchandise.

[@TheKnives777]

Exactly! I’m sitting here looking at his room and thinking “that’s a lot of expensive junk you got in the background there fella”.

[@mogodzay223]

KZbinrs buy this stuff for decoration for their background lots of famous KZbinrs have these things such as mrbeast CoryxKenshin penguinz0 SSSniperWolf Markiplier etc. Some of this stuff means alot to these people their childhood and memories

[@TheKnives777]

@@mogodzay223 Hey don't get me wrong, I love sentimentality as much as the next person but sentiment doesn't pay the bills. He didn't need any of that cool stuff behind him, he wanted it. He also wanted that Tesla and that house. he should have gotten somebody that was a professional he should have had a fiduciary. a CPA to manage his money.

[@ashleygoggs5679]

@@mogodzay223 many youtubers dont actually spend the money. They get given them for shoutouts and free promotional content. Take linustechtips... he isnt spending 5k every video to make a computer, the videos are prepared months in advance with vendors to sponsor the videos. Same case applied to many youtubers with merch in the backdrop. Yongyea's backdrop was mostly from sponsored content or just gifted.

[@Mon937]

@@TheKnives777 You have to remember back then, sentiment probably did pay the bills. Having that merch in the back likely added a layer of relatability to him, a "Oh, he has the same interests as me!" moment without having to actually say it and make it feel forced. And that relatability combined with his likeable personality would bring in enough views to have paid for the merch and basically made it a business expense. Only once he no longer showed a likeable personality would it have shifted into "Oh wow, look at all that worthless shit he's wasting our money on".