Sunshine and Rainbow - FlyDigi Vader 3 Pro

[@Zero-Saber]

Thanks for this! It's good to know how things hold up over time, I'd argue that this type of videos are even more important than the initial reviews - most people will only buy one controller to use. I got t4k 3 months ago and it's holding up really well so far. I've been thinking about getting vader 3 pro later but now I'm cautious. Have to do more research to see if it's worth getting or buy something else instead.

[@angelolimjoco6598]

I also have the T4K for less than a month now but it already has recentering issues on the right analog stick. But aside from that, really contented overall with the controller. Though I might consider switching to the original G7 as I've noticed potentiometer sticks are more accurate.

[@Gundemonium]

i got t4k back in june, and my controller usage was much lower (only playing rpg/3rd person games with it), and those singplayer games always have built in deadzone, but going into gamepad tester and shaking my controller shows even worse results. Also my right stick certainly feels looser in the middle. Currently waiting for v3p to arrive.

[@ltyarv8071]

I just got it for 30 dollars

[@123-g1u]

Vader v3 beat all of this controllers just 50 , 40 bucks buy 3, trust me it all depend of how you press the controller.

[@feizo]

Might just be a bad copy mate, I've used mine since launch and it doesnt drift at all.

[@topgeardo]

I opened my controller and applied a drop of motorcycle engine oil this way: I dipped a toothpick in a drop of it and lubed the 2 plastic arch that forms the moving mechanism of the hall module so it won't keep frictioning. I think it will prevent the module from wearing due to the movement.

[@willy7968]

Did it work?

[@yoyix93]

could you update the controller status?

[@topgeardo]

@@willy7968 yes it smoothed the feeling and prevented it from grew drift due to wear.

[@topgeardo]

@@yoyix93 controller is fine I stopped using it, now only my daughter plays Minecraft but she plays everyday several hours and the controller is the same

[@januraji14]

what type of control freek are you using on flydigi vader 3 pro?

[@topgeardo]

I have the controller and noted 2% drift on the recentering but sometimes not always IT might be the botton that scratches or the spring being loose but 2% drift is nearly perfect still I have 3 month of heavy usage no other concern. but I'll comment latter

[@Ravielsk]

Any updates?

[@topgeardo]

@@Ravielsk drift is the same till this day but I stopped playing apex on pc because of the merge I got to play on Xbox series now because it is way easier, and only my daughter plays on pc Minecraft with this controller, the drift has not grew it stays at 2% at max regularly at 0.2%

[@DokSpec]

its just after a fimeware update...search for videos...there is recalibrate method.. hope this helps

[@PixelDew1337]

Hey man if you still upload videos i would love to see a t4 kaleid long term usage review

[@kaiserdostuff]

I’m using apex 4 elite now.

[@tork5278]

the 8bitdo ultimate bluethooth is better for joystick durability ? I don't see much feedback on drift problems centering on reddit with that controller ?

[@puulsharc]

i've had 3 over the last 5 years or so they've all drifted

[@J0rdan912]

@@puulsharc 8bitdo Ultimate are not 5 years old

[@J0rdan912]

They're on Hall sensors, so only raw physical worn of mechanics inside joysticks can cause drift problems. You'll probably gonna break something else or decided to buy another controller before this happens.

[@puulsharc]

@@J0rdan912 i've had 3 8bitdo controllers, not all ultimate - the first ultimate i had lasted the longest, and was the 2nd controller

[@J0rdan912]

@@puulsharc I mean Ultimate controllers are not that old model to judge how durable they are. Pro 2 are pretty old now and they are proven to be a rock solid despite regular membrane buttons and analog joysticks. My own Pro 2 is still perfectly fine: no signs of scratches, bad painting, any kind of physical damage, no inputs skipping, zero drift and flawless recentering. To be honest I'm surprised considering how bad became every single Nintendo, Xbox and Playstation controller after this exact period of time. I also got Ultimate with hall joysticks shortly after it's release, but it still too early to judge, but absolutely no issues so far except squeaky trigger and rumbling bumpers, but this is just a minor factory issue that can be fixed easily both by manufacturer and user.

[@mehmetoz1932]

Can you review Flydigi direwolf 2?

[@Cerealkiller824]

All my controller I get from Amazon like the Vader I get the 2 year warranties. Even covers accidental damage, I just swap them out after 2 years and get credit back to buy another one or an upgraded one

[@seraph4581]

Very nice to have an update! I just ordered one yesterday, so I guess I'll cancel my order. My ol' reliable Xbox One S controller still has no drifting after 4 years. Guess I'll stick with OEM controllers...

[@bobaorc7839]

The thing I don't see anyone talking about is how much snapback these hall effect joysticks have. I like to flick my sticks. 8bitdoultimate, KK2 Pro, and Vader 3 pro all have this problem to varying degrees

[@123-g1u]

Mine does not have that thing you got bad units

[@Faneco777]

Essential review, unlike those who only review after the controller's arrival, a review after extended use is highly informative. I had read on a Reddit forum that the Vader 3 Pro was the ultimate controller with a hall sensor, but your experience with drift deterred me from buying it. Perhaps I'll go for the T4 Kaleid, even though wired controllers aren't my preferred choice.

[@KindOldRaven]

HE sticks aren't a magic fix to the issue. The stick still needs to either actually center correctly (springs etc) and it needs to recalibrate its centre every now and then (Hall effect switches in keyboards for instance do this everytime they receive power). Otherwise they drift just like other sticks, just for a different reason :p The sensors are still accurate, but the stick itself might not centre correctly anymore or the calibration could be off. With cheap HE controlers, it could be either or both.

[@Cmon3play]

does not spring back to the center so its still not a major drift issue

[@wybuchowyukomendant]

But drift is easy to fix in normal/hall sticks, centering issue is unfixable - you need to solder on new stick.

[@Cmon3play]

well if you dont want a hall senser that develop center issue ( if you a hardcore gamer) then buy 8bitdo ultimate bluetooth one they have great tension sticks so it will not have like this recenter issue @@wybuchowyukomendant

[@theduder3017]

cant you just increase the inner deadzone@@wybuchowyukomendant

[@Lukasz3332x]

@@wybuchowyukomendant drift is fixable in mechanical sticks just increase deadzones in your games.

[@suikamelon]

Does it still work to calibrate and readjust the center position by holding down the top, view, and menu buttons?

[@hollow314]

Do you think the gamesir t4k will have spring issue too when it spring have higher tension than the g7 se? I don't have vader 3 pro but o assume it tension is close to g7 se rather than t4k

[@kaiserdostuff]

G7 SE and T4K felt slightly stronger than Vader since both use the same joystick under GameSir brand. But, both use the same design with the same manufacturer K-Silver. Hard to say, since I don't think I can test for a long term review with G7 SE.

[@shanglee643]

@@kaiserdostuff How is the G7 SE holding up ?

[@pjslon9219]

Great vid! Apex 4 is the only controller that solved mechanical drift issue with its rounded cube pressing on flat plate centering mechanism. This means that centering should still be precise even after prolonged use - a cube would still be a cube :) Just look up its disassembly videos and you'll know what I mean. Sensor wise, hall effect sensors solve the electronic drift - on all controllers with HE sensors. But Apex 4 is the only one addressed the mechanical stick drift, as far as I know.

[@kaiserdostuff]

That’s my main now.

[@pjslon9219]

@@kaiserdostuff Great! Looking forward to your long term review! I'm still with Gamesir SE, but will be looking to update once it's stick springs weaken

[@danielc5647]

I think the problem is with k-silver modules, maybe they have a little less resistance than gulikit modules, so controllers with that module will last longer without drift

[@danielc5647]

apparently from another review the same module can be tuned to have different resistance, so They tried out the Flydigii direwolf 3 and say it has more resistance than the gulikit kk2, it would be interesting for you to measure that spring for centering the joystick with some kind of force-meter for the next controllers for us to have a "long term" usage idea of how much different springs will last, and please review the Flydigi Apex 4

[@youngrex7694]

Can you check out the BigBig won Rainbow 2 pro

[@azil9974]

Can you suggest me controller for android/phone? I ordered flydigi apex 3 but i don't know is it good or not, maybe you can suggest me best controller for android.

[@MadWinter889]

8bitdo ultimate Bluetooth.

[@khairulhaqeem1371]

Dah calibrate bang? Saya calibrate back to 4% lah dead zone

[@luigihenrick]

Did the deadzone increase after this video?

[@kaiserdostuff]

It did, I increased it to 0.08 by now.

[@wybuchowyukomendant]

Same for me, after 1 month of super heavy 8h+ usage (I had a broken leg, don`t judge me ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) ) I had to increase deadzone because it started to drift a little due to centering not being that perfect. For comparison, my 8bitdo ultimate with older gulikit halls are perfectly fine to this day, after like... 2 years of usage? This is concerning honestly.

[@eula1194]

Which 8bitdo ultimate do you have

[@Zero-Saber]

8bitdo ultimate came out last year :)

[@TheCJsamson]

Good to know, I just bought an 8bitdo Ultimate but was considering returning it for a Vader 3 Pro for the trigger stops and two additional back buttons but not sure I will now 🤔

[@GeraltOfTheRivia]

8bitdo ultimate came out just a little bit over 1 year ago 😒

[@raul1642]

liar

[@aliosmangs]

The cats are fighting at the end 😂😂😂

[@fromBbong]

That's kinda disappointing, I have a much much cheaper EasySMX 9110 got it for only $20 & more than a year now, playing like mad but didn't encounter any drifting issues, weird this Vader 3 pro already have a hall effect joysticks but still drift and just for a month? what a let down.

[@youknowit4954]

I’ve used it for more than a month, no stick drift. Everything is still as good as when I first got it

[@Cerealkiller824]

I have A Vader 3 and its fine I like it alot, also have a King Kong 3 max, KKpro 2, t4 kalied, and 8bitdo ultimate. All great and haven't had a problem with them. Currently using the Vader 3 and its a great controller. Im happy with it, no issues on my end and it feels great. I like the Vader A lot so I bought the dock for it too.

[@kevin-sj3wt]

vader 3 vs kk 3 max?

[@Cerealkiller824]

@@kevin-sj3wt I used the vader a lot more, now I only use my apex 4

[@kevin-sj3wt]

@@Cerealkiller824 had any issue with kk3max? does polling rate feels different in realworld for vader and apex?? any notable difference between both the flydigi controller?

[@SAM-ef5bu]

oh well let hope mine one won't happen same issue like yours.

[@kaiserdostuff]

Maybe I just have a hulk fingers 🤞😅

[@SAM-ef5bu]

​@@kaiserdostuff haha, let hope so. but I also have an issue of using Gyro function a bit over sensitive (Right Analog) while playing on genshin. I hope it won't gone worst on future.

[@HSGG_]

it will

[@SAM-ef5bu]

@@HSGG_ hmm so you mean you also have flydigi vader pro 3 controller and having same issue of analog drift? and also 2 month gone worst?

[@PEEKg]

​@@SAM-ef5buhow is it nowadays? hopefully it is still solid 😅

[@thegreatbum2446]

Why aren't you using Gyro for precision aiming? Would the game ban you for it?

[@kaiserdostuff]

No, they don't ban. It just a personal preference.

[@thegreatbum2446]

​@@kaiserdostuffI see, that's fair. Everyone has their own playstyle. I have Vader 3 Pro and I also experience a small wiggle in the analogs but I never felt like it hampered me when playing. FPS gamers who prefer to use the analogs for aiming will probably hate this controller, but since I'm using Gyro it's a non-issue for me. Honestly from my perspective, I can't relate to your issues (aside from battery but tbh I'm used to DualSense-level of battery so by comparison it's much better).

[@jamesryan3418]

Mine deadzone is ~6% because of these uncenter problem too

[@jaybe337]

Bro can you make a video of apex 4❤

[@rochmadwa7076]

Can you compare vader 3 pro to gamesir t4 cyclone pls?

[@kaiserdostuff]

Cyclone will come soon. 🤞

[@Yamnat-m4v]

@@kaiserdostuff Stay safe bro :D

[@filipeoliveira8050]

thank you for the review, man! +1 sub

[@mkatakm]

So hall effect doesn't drift is another hype.

[@kaiserdostuff]

Hall sensor is a major improvement, but it never one solution fix all.

[@luxtenax9175]

The reason why is because hall effect modules won't solve the problem of drift if the other materials that make up the joystick (like the spring) are cheaply made and don't keep their tension, enough to hold and snap the joystick back in place.

[@mkatakm]

@@luxtenax9175 when high quality materials are used, potentiometer gamepads are very good too. I am using my xbox x and ps5 controllers for at least 2 years, but they are as good as new, still no drift.

[@MadWinter889]

Well built hall effect sticks like kkpro2 and 8bitdo ultimate will not drift.

[@SpinalGT]

I own a Vader 3 Pro, and have been using it for a month, I'm 55 hours in Lies of P, playing daily and have no issues so far, bought it on the last black friday. I did the shake test and it didn't register a single click, and I shake it pretty hard.

[@kaiserdostuff]

By default it got dead zone, so you won’t see it. But, when you go to extreme, it start to show weakness. Still my daily driver though. Plus, this is their first version with this stick.

[@SpinalGT]

@@kaiserdostuff oh, it's a new brand? I didn't know, I loved the C Z buttons, hopefully mine has a long lasting life. My Xbox Series controller after 300 hours of Elden Ring in 2022 started registering double click on the A button, which sucks. I guess there's never a perfect controller.

[@J0rdan912]

@@kaiserdostuff By default every controller and game has it's own factory/default deadzones for drift compensation, because there is virtually no drift-free joysticks, especially on 0% deadzone, and never will be after a certain period of time, every controller will develop a slight "weakness" due to springs degradation, the question is if it's worse than any other controller and if it's worse than classic analog sticks. I really doubt it.

[@KnightZeemo]

bang dalam banyak2 controller abg review ni, mana satu paling best utk main mortal kombat abg rse? perlu dpad yg accurate wired is ok sy tgk dalam shopee boleh dapat controller2 ni tapi adakah lebih baik spend sikit je lagi utk pakai je xbox series X controller

[@snkyrr]

hello bro are u able to help me with my gulikit kingkong pro 2 controller the button seems weird idk how to explain it. But is there a way for me to send the controller to u for checkup since i saw u made a teardown video about it.

[@avaraz6941]

THIS video is golden. Whenever I go, I see videos depicting the Vader 3 Pro as "the best controller", while it's not. the main point of the controller is to never drift, yet it does. But all those reviews never bother to use the controller anymore after the review, so their public never knows. And most people on the internet just repeat what they saw in those flashy new videos that said it is the best controller. Great video, thanks for letting us know the truth about this overhyped controller.

[@Cerealkiller824]

I have one and its fine, also have a King Kong 3 max, t4 kalied, and 8bitdo ultimate. All great and haven't had a problem with them. Currently using the Vader 3 and its a great controller. Im happy with it, no issues on my end and it feels great

[@J0rdan912]

So this video is "golden" because this one unit has a flaw while the vast majority of the other units are fine, so those aren't good?

[@avaraz6941]

@@J0rdan912 that's where you are wrong, it's not only one unit, that's a known issue with this particular controller. If you really have one, then you must know how much the sticks love to recoil, thats because the spring is weak af, and after a moment it starts to drift because it's not strong enough to go back to it's initial position. So yeah, it's great to have a youtuber stating the truth for once, instead of every fanboy just saying it's the "best controller ever"

[@J0rdan912]

@@avaraz6941 I'm not saying THIS one and only. "Spring recoil" is something I was able to reproduce to every single controller I had, but it's very rare and you should try really hard. Also, this is not only weak spring problem, but overall precise joysticks problem. The more precise you go, the more recoil you will have due to lower deadzone. Also, soft spring is about accuracy, especially at the center, which is rare quality in controllers. So... You just have to choose the lesser evil. And if spring recoil is crucial to you since you are fighting or brawl genre hardcore player... Well, just don't use hall sticks controllers and analog sticks at all. Any other controller will develop a "spring drift" issue, but due to their crappy joysticks with much more serious problems the "spring recoil issue" will be less noticeable. For example drifting after 6-12 month Dualsense can "recoil" much worse due to its shitty potentiometer, not spring. I'm not saying this controllers is perfect, but it's the one that got close enough and it doesn't have some major flaws like Dualshock4/Dualsense, Xbox Series or Switch Pro controllers. If you're more interested in rare "truth speakers" instead of the vast majority of average users, that's your own problem, there is always a faulty units, bad calibration or bad firmware, which doesn't mean the loud minority are always "truth speakers". For example in this video not even official proper receiver being used as Vader 3 Pro should have the latest one with text print on it and ideally be used in charging dock or extension cord.

[@123-g1u]

Bro this is the best controller so far, there is no better buy 3 just f`````` 50 bucks

[@SevenDeMagnus]

Cool, thanks for the info, for caring and for the tests. I'll most likely buy (though I'm don't trust most chinese brand) the FlyDigi Vader 3 Pro (which has the amazing Dreamcat's XYAB layout which is the Xbox's too, Xbox is the spiritual successor of the Dreamcast, Microsoft having supplied the Dreamcast with the CE operating system) over a genuine used Sony DualSense (a lot of brand new seem fake, ranging from US$18 to US$47) to mainly play the amazing Shenmue 1, 2, & 3 the father of all open-world games, still the best open-world that's not a grind and make you feel really great, still has the deepest fighting mechanics in a non-fighting game and the first open-world to use the Hall Effect (Dreamcast controller's the second in history to use Hall Effect, after the first ever in history to use Hall Effects, the SEGA Saturn 3D Control Pad built mainly for the game 'Night into Dreams'. I have both, I didn't know I was already using Hall Effect for years! X-D) and level up Ryo's martial arts skill, strictly during sundays only, after a hard week's work (after mass worship and sunday duties) :-) God bless, 1 Corinthians 9:24

[@AudioBoi1]

china is china