Super Columbine Massacre RPG! on Attack of the Show

[@ryanmshepard92]

Oh my god! I've played this game and I can tell you, it is not that bad. It's not just walking around blowing shit up. There's actually a lot of symbolism, a lot of history, and a lot of things that you wouldn't pick up if you hadn't done a lot of research on Columbine like I did. I hate censorship.

[@potcha]

It is wild seeing them sit down and talk rationally about this. Times have changed so much. Today it would be all of them one-upping one another on their condemnation of him as a human, and using it to make sweeping statements about white males, and the vileness of gamers in general. Kotaku would be making the loudest proclamations of all, of course. I really miss the days when it was not normal to just start with the worst-possible assumptions of a persons motivations, if they happen to not belong to the ‘correct’ identity group.

[@traillbit]

I have to say I am interested in knowing about this game and playing it if I can find it. It is certainly one, unexpected approach at coming to terms with the massacre. I mean especially with video games it's very hard to be careful when incorporating real life problems or events without getting backlash. But personally I think it would be a good touch to have the media give that a try as many youth can understand and do play videogames. So in other words, I'd be more than willing to try this game if I get the chance.

[@100legodude]

Here you go: www.columbinegame.com/

[@Tedpikel]

Wow! a sensible, balanced discussion. Well done to AotS. I am optimistic that people's opinions of computer games as a medium will eventually reflect those of the gaming community.

[@BlastingKyogre]

indeed

[@milkwad]

It's a pretty good game. although the Hell part is insane.

[@sh1tpickle]

the dialog in the game is amazing,people should the game a "shot"

[@HelpermanTube]

ALL VIDEO GAMES NEED TO BE RECOGNIZED AS FREE SPEECH. THUMBS UP IF YOU AGREE.

[@rubbermuck]

@m22frogger not meant to be a tribute to the victims, it's an attempt by the creator, who was also attending the school (at the time even, I believe), to try and understand why anyone would commit this insane act. It's not about forgiving the killers or blaming them. it's about understanding them. Whether or not it was executed (excuse the pun) well is another matter. But I wouldn't call it an invalid way of dealing with the situation.

[@hamsandwichization]

That was pretty funny when he said "All adventure...No action..."

[@rubbermuck]

@m22frogger Well the way I see it, and this is informed by the creator's artist's statement about the game, is that it's a game, and you play it, and then observe how you feel about the events. It's different from a movie where you have a director/writer/actors telling a specific story vs trying to re-enact or simulate the experience the killers may have gone through, or the thought process behind the actions. Trying to understand that. It's a very simplistic and crude game, and is not meant to

[@ChaseRogers2115]

Im downloading this game right now. and while playing it. im not going to think any different of myself. games never hurt anyone..

[@0xCAFEF00D]

I can answer one question here easily. 'Why are videogames held to a higher standard than their counterparts?' Because it's a newer medium. Movies went through the same, and it's a stupid process.

[@CosmicDestroyer99]

It was a good game actually teaches you about the massacre..They made a documentary about this game called "Playing Columbine" it's on netflix

[@GlobalWarmingSkeptic]

There's a lot worse things that the media should attack. The show "1000 ways to die" makes fun of people being brutally murdered all of the time, and puts it out there like a joke for others to laugh at. Why does the media always zero on in video games when television media is 10 times more putrid.

[@vgmaster9]

I have a widescreen monitor and the game won't fully show on the screen. Is there any way I can adjust the game's screen?

[@rubbermuck]

Danny Ledonne doesn't make games as a career, just that one. As far as 9/11 themed games of a similar nature, they exist. September 12th is one, I'm pretty sure there were more dealing with the subject, but not if you actually played the plane hijackers. There was one I vaguely remember, but forgot the name of, where you "play" a person in the building, and you're either going to burn alive, the building will crush your body, or you jump out and fall to your death.

[@RaiderGamerSpice]

Did you know that there's a game called "JFK: Reloaded"? It exists. I learned about it from Top 5 Offensive Games by ZoominGames. I just couldn't believe these games...

[@HappyModder87]

@likeastarbaby Did you actually play the game for yourself?

[@rubbermuck]

@m22frogger Those people feel hurt regardless of what is said about it. Videogames are just another way of exploring the subject,for people who didn't experience it directly, to come to an understanding of the events that occurred. It's on TV news frequently, isn't that equally hurtful? Movies are made about it, how about that? Are songs not offensive? Are paintings? Poetry? Theatre? Where do you draw the line? There is at least 1 game I know of on the subject of 9/11, though I forgot the name.

[@allthtrmns12]

What happened to G4 TV??

[@CraftyAndyArchives]

@bradaughterofvegeta who's being treated like crap? We're talking entertainment media here. You do not have the right to NOT have your feelings hurt. Just because a book, movie, video game, tv-show upsets you, doesn't mean they have no right to make it because it's all fictional. They have every right to make it as much as people have every right to whine and complain about it while looking like fools.

[@Gilligan346]

Is this really that much different than making a game about Pearle Harbor? People get killed. It's horrible. It happened. It's something we should never forget about lest those mistakes be repeated. Art imitates life. Some would say that this belittles the event. How is this any different than writing a book or poem or song about Columbine? They all function in much the same way: to paint a picture. No media can capture the horror of that day regardless of genre or purpose.

[@Jayday12345678910]

how old is this video?

[@likeastarbaby]

@AntiHamster500 I don't have control over my cousin, and I can't tell my aunt and uncle what to do. I in no way advocate this particular game or its message, and I do realise that there is no way that you can remove violence from young people completely. I'm just making the comparison that when I was younger people weren't allowed to play games like this until they were 16. And even if it doesn't contribute to violence, which it does, its just depraved to simulate actual wars/events (COD)

[@DSkehan2004]

what year was this?

[@alexjohansen7325]

I play a lot of violent, brutal and gory games, i like that style, but i have never ever wanted to seriusly harm a person, i am very against that, so its kinda stupid when he asks if the more recent shooter was desensitised by the game, of cource not. The damage is genetic or caused by extreme mental trauma

[@MattC78]

Danny covered his upside down ears.

[@CeeCeeObscura]

bless that man for making the game.

[@Matt-py7sv]

However, if it wasn't made to shock and was because he felt a lot about this message he thinks he's telling... He's just not good enough to make it mean anything at all.

[@SabreGhostX]

@TheLonelyWolf1000 Games as a medium have more of a connection than books OR movies. Tackling controversial issues with a game makes sense. Why? Because you HAVE to walk a mile in someone else's shoes. Unfortunately though, there are people ignorant of this fact that think games should stay like Mario - but the fact that we see graphic rape and murder in movies is perfectly alright because the only response they have is "wow, that was kind of fucked."

[@taffysaur]

why don''t you make one?

[@ryanmshepard92]

@IcanhazSuperSaiyan Way more people died in World War 2 and games come out about that all the time. Why are the 13 people that died in Columbine more offensive and tragic than the millions upon millions of people who died in the worst war in history?

[@ladynikkie]

6:50 Cho Seung Hui's favorite videogame....sonic the hedgehog. the media and politicans really made a huge deal over video game violence and yet TV violence is worse!

[@EmberwildeProductions]

Every year!

[@gothixxx12]

@m22frogger its not about that, itsa bout explaing to ppl how things like this happen. its not disrespectful at all. if anything it shows u the tragedy for wat it really is. play the game for urself. without playing this game it would be hard for me to understand the situation. THIS GAME MATTERS IT HELPS EXPLAIN WHAT HAPPENED SO PPL KNOW THE TRUTH AND PPL CAN FEEL THE EMOTIONS. THE GAME IS A MESSAGE TO US ALL ABOUT THE TRAGEDY OF LIFE !!!

[@SensualToast]

That is a very good point.

[@chucker46032]

@6:08 I like the monster energy drink truck, what a shameless plug for monster.

[@FatherTime89]

When was this video released? Didn't Virginia Tech top Columbine in terms of deadliness?

[@likeastarbaby]

@rocketlauncher2 Oh and might I add that I'm an advocator for freedom of speech, but the reason I have a problem with this game is that it has little satirical or social commentary - it was made for entertainment purposes. Which is just insulting and disrespectful to the victims and relatives. If it had been more of a critique than a depraved version of events I wouldn't have a problem with it.

[@rocketlauncher2]

@likeastarbaby We shouldn't change a damn thing just because a few kids were raised incorrectly. That hinders our freedom

[@Neku628]

Are you joking?!

[@benjak134]

I miss the old G4 );

[@ladyintheradiator187]

me and my friend actually got the highest score possible on this game. its in a pokemon format...its horrible but fun :D

[@NemesisChat]

danny ledonne sounds like peewee herman. :)

[@likeastarbaby]

@AntiHamster500 And you can create as broad a spectrum of game design as you like, but the games still unnecessarily violent. And this argument initially started with me being angry with this dorky kid who made SCMRPG because it has very little value as a social commentary, as he claims, and seems to be more an exploration of a perverse interest (more than curiousity) in the killers and events.

[@likeastarbaby]

@rubbermuck I don't believe that I am the one here who needs to grow up. Why are you all throwing your dolls out of the pram because someones going to take your games away from you? Why can't you play Mario Kart like normal people? It's not the under 17s who are the ones that are murdering people. And besides, kids can easily get their hands on games like that, whether their parents agree or not. And when I was a kid I played outside with my friends, I didn't stay in watching horror movies.

[@AntiHamster500]

@likeastarbaby cont. Or road toll statistics? I'm really quite confused, you basically said it yourself. They're just video games, it's not the holocaust. End.

[@HelpermanTube]

@BorderlandNetskey I understand your concern but it's free speech.

[@gothixxx12]

i cried my eyes out playing this. this game expresses real life issues. its so sad. RESPECT TO THE OTHER GAME DEVELEPORS FOR PULLING OUT !!!!!!!!!!! only real men can do that. only a real man can make a game like this too. tell the story as it is with no censorship and no lies !!!!!! FEEL WAT THE FELT LIVE WAT THEY LIVED AND UNDERSTAND THE KILLERS MIND< THEREFORE WE CAN STOP BULLYING IN SCHOOLS.

[@MrSupasheva]

wtf ??? this game should not have been made.. u can't make a game abt such a tragic event...

[@MrZomboy123]

would it be like a flight sim or what

[@likeastarbaby]

@LeftyLike So no-one should bother protecting kids against stupid parents? Isnt that what the NSPCC is for? Whatevs, its just not strict enough. Getting a rated video game should be as difficult as buying alcohol.

[@FeministCatwoman]

Dutchguy666, I am with you man A 9/11 game sounds like the perfect idea

[@theSneakySasquatch]

as much as i love videogames, and the right to free speech. there is a certain line that you just dont cross IMO, and i like to think of myself as a very jaded individual when it comes to these types of issues. as long as the right messages, morals, and acts are portrayed in a correct and admirable way than i have NO problem with a game like this. but the light nature of the title alone makes me cringe. who knows, if i played the game it may actually deal with this subject very well, but still..

[@talkingdear]

Wow..... thay both made alot of points!

[@HelpermanTube]

@V904T Yeah he killed 32 people. The kids at colombine only killed 15 people.

[@likeastarbaby]

@AntiHamster500 I'm not sure who you are, or why you felt the need to spend your day replying to my comments, which weren't actually intended for you :S but I have made this very clear many times; I do not play video games, I have no children, and therefore I have no control over the rest of the children who do play them. It's not even about killing people, its about growing up as a violent person, which the things you dont hear about; Wife beating, bullying and violence which is non-fatal.

[@likeastarbaby]

@Rumikumatora yes, the ignorance just seeps from me, clearly. if your only argument is to scream and swear, that means that you do not have one. and stop talking about ignorant parents, because thats just laughable. so you're telling me that yourself and almost everyone here didnt recieve games that were not suitable for their age when they were younger? its our CULTURE we need to change.

[@themetalgod66683]

Really? I will play that!

[@ZoanBlade90]

@TheLonelyWolf1000 Not helping dude. I felt the same way when I first saw a Little Big planet level of Katrina or 9/11. I partically get the idea behind this game. And for the record, was'nt A Serbian Film like that?

[@likeastarbaby]

@rocketlauncher2 And me saying that a game that directly reflects an actual event in which several kids died is 'disrespectful' is not 'poor taste' its the exact opposite. Trying to defend this disgusting game is disrespectful to those who died and their relatives.

[@ladynikkie]

me too when it was a 24 hour VIDEO GAME channel! now it's crap.

[@puresofmeh]

The game is pretty cool... none the less

[@CraftyAndyArchives]

@m22frogger well they have every right to make it sell it (this game was free by the way and no profit was made) just like hollywood and tv networks have every right to make movies and specials and rake in millions on 9/11. They have. Yeah I'd be upset but no one would be there to FORCE me to play the fucking game. If there was a 9/11 game I may say it's cruel (not really) I may say it's great. I could say whatever I felt like saying. Doesn't mean the company (or person) has no right to make it.

[@likeastarbaby]

@rubbermuck Yeah, thats fine, don't apologise for spewing all that shit about my baby cousin :l Very mature of you. And there are few things that I'm very Conservative about, but this is one of them. You can't seriously be so passionate about violent and depraved games that you are willing to risk people's lives for it? The only part in this game that I found to be making a point was the short part about Marilyn Manson. The rest was just sick and unnecessary.

[@diapysik]

@m22frogger I'm currently coding a 9/11 video game on the source engine gonna be fucking funny right.

[@likeastarbaby]

@rocketlauncher2 No. Drawing a picture of muhammed or being pro-choice are both examples of freedom of expression, which no inherrent physical consequences. Video games like this desensitise little boys to violence and has - on more than one occasion - been cited to have contributed to a murder, rape, or assault. Theres a difference between hurting feelings and causing death. Did you know that even this game is known to have contributed to the Dawson College shooting?

[@icemanbred]

wtf is slamdance?

[@likeastarbaby]

@AntiHamster500 You misinterpreted my quote. I am comparing your child-like exaggeration of the idea of your video games being taken away to something as serious as the Holocaust. If someone takes your video games you can go out, get some fresh air and gain social skills. The fact that you were sharing your KZbin comments with your buddy says it all really :S Overall, I've found many more mature people to discuss this with, so I'm ending this conversation with you. Bye.

[@ellomynameisjohnny]

The game was okay I guess. It was real easy

[@gbfan92]

Worst. Game. Ever... I tried it and it's just so sad someone would even make a game like that.. I had to turn it off asap..

[@Matt-py7sv]

Hate this stuff in entertainment. Just gets very boring, weak and self-indulgent when it's just made to shock :S

[@AntiHamster500]

@likeastarbaby well if what u say is true then why didn't you try and stop your cousin, from what i here he's clearly not playing age appropriate games. People go out and buy these games knowingly and then when their kids get violent they blame the game. Its like buying drugs and saying the dealer ruined your life. Now im not saying you need to grow up, I think you need to see that there is a broader spectrum behind violent video games such and level design and plot creaton, like a movie.

[@SabreGhostX]

@TheLonelyWolf1000 So... what you're saying is regardless of the message anything that someone feels is inappropriate should be pulled? Should we go back and have another book burning? There's a lot of fucked situations in classic literature... What I'm getting from your post is it is alright for books and movies but not games? If so, you're honestly ignorant to how games work, and the effect that they can have on the players.

[@Ecompass4]

I think a lot of people have a problem with this game because it involved minors, unlike world war 2 games and such, but still its just a game, get over it jesus christ of mary

[@rocketlauncher2]

@ellomynameisjohnny Fuck yeah he does

[@likeastarbaby]

@rocketlauncher2 If you mean freedom of expression, it has its limits. Freedom of speech - go right ahead. Come on, really? Its video games, for Gods sake. Not the holocaust. If you get you're violent video games taken away from you, get over it. Make some friends or go outside for once.

[@DSkehan2004]

@AirMan928 yeah he does lol

[@rubbermuck]

@likeastarbaby Grow up, they're just games. You never watched horror movies when you were a kid? Besides, there are labels on the box notifying buyers what the content is rated at. Judge the parents, not the games.

[@Landsing9]

Awesome game

[@lovieuru]

@m22frogger Already did, it's an unreal mod and it's fun :3 Mad Bro?

[@LeftyLike]

@likeastarbaby As far as I am aware of, they don't make voilent vidoegames for kids. ...they do make stupid parents, however.

[@FamousOnChains]

If the game was a third person shooter it would be the best game ever

[@ZoanBlade90]

@m22frogger They did. A LBP level. Guy thought it was funny. I didn't.

[@ak43darkhell]

Artistic,revolutionary, address a message my ass all about make money that’s why he knows what age it’s the average player smh all about the money 💰

[@rocketlauncher2]

@likeastarbaby I don't care.. this game sparked up an unnecessary discussion on banning video games, an art form. Theres enough shit that goes against freedom because "whaa it hurts my feelings" coming from angered people

[@AntiHamster500]

@likeastarbaby My friend wanted to be a part of the debate so: Oh grow up, really. Haven't we exercised this argument enough already. Games are unecessarily violent? Then don't play them. Games have a rating for a reason, and if parents are stupid enough to let their children play such game, then perhaps we should ban stupid people getting pregnant? I like the way you implied gamers who enjoy violent video gamers have no life.

[@ellomynameisjohnny]

Sounds just like Pee Wee Herman

[@rubbermuck]

@bradaughterofvegeta Check out comedian John Hughes on the subject of being offended watch?v=cycXuYzmzNg or look on youtube for keywords "john hughes offended". Curious what you think of it.

[@Gamerchick2030]

What is with you people making a game about scaring Massacres is NOT ENTERTAINMENT!!! What's next 9/11 game? JFK Asassination? Sandy Hooks Elementry?! People lost loved ones in those events if your going to do a video game about a tragic event.........DON'T DO IT!!!!!!

[@athanakop7775]

Gamerchick2030 what bout world war 2? What about vietnam war? Gulf war? Blackhawk down

[@luigi7834]

There is actually already a JFK assassination game!! I believe it is called JFK Reloaded. Just letting you know

[@IMADRWILY]

I liked the game because it made Harris and Klebold more human, not human like you or I, but human like a dickhead kid who plays too much Doom and listens to industrial music. It had to make us kill virtual clones of real people who actually died, that's what he had to do to get the message across to us. SCMRPG was the ONLY piece of media to suggest that Harris and Klebold were just kids playing with toys and lives they didn't truly understand. I feel sympathy for the killers.

[@MikeHoochie]

wtf is this a joke? why are they treating this game like its nothing? this is fucked up

[@ak43darkhell]

Money made them do it money stopped them do it shame

[@HelpermanTube]

@likeastarbaby CHILDREN ARE NOT IMPRESSIONABLE.

[@AntiHamster500]

@likeastarbaby cont. Hey, isn't it ironic how you sit around all day defending yourself against random people on youtube? See how easy that was? People enjoy violence in video games, I enjoy violence in video games. If the rating is not obeyed, then that's the parents fault, not the game developers. Do developers try to make their games violent? Sure, if they know what's good for them.Violence in video games sells.

[@ak43darkhell]

Loads bs mate we can see with the pandemic of pay to win lol

[@CraftyAndyArchives]

@m22frogger well they have every right to make it sell it (this game was free by the way and no profit was made) just like hollywood and tv networks have every right to make movies and specials and rake in millions on 9/11. They have. Yeah I'd be upset but no one would be there to FORCE me to play the fucking game. If there was a 9/11 game I may say it's cruel (not really) I may say it's great. I could say whatever I felt like saying. Doesn't mean the company (or person) has no right to make it.