Super Mario Odyssey Vs Bowser's Fury

[@thebutterstick8659]

Bowser’s Fury is really good, but c’mon guys, you can’t tell me this little side game is on the same level as Galaxy 1 and 2 or Odyssey.

[@Zyoken]

Yeah you’re right galaxies and odyssey are full 3d mario games and there is no comparison

[@allandsan9280]

Exactly

[@sbyrd1495]

Well I like Bowser's Fury more than Odyssey but not has much as Galaxy 1 or 2

[@mo_ops9426]

@@Mrcoffe-xw8gz I think that’s a big thing about games these days that they have to be really big and have so much hours of content but in return you get overwhelmed and it isn’t as engaging. Personally I like shorter games like Celeste

[@waterbottle195]

@@mo_ops9426 i like both; both are the right length because of options. You can double your star count in galaxy (green stars/luigi), and you can get 999 moons in Odyssey, but it's optional. I don't feel overwhelmed because of how much you don't have to do.

[@waywardlaser]

I never lost motivation in Odyssey. The fact that the game is so jam-packed with things to do, especially in the post-game, is part of the reason why I love it so much.

[@blippity0915]

I lost motivation in Odyssey, cough cough volleyball.

[@user-cs8pt4zf8u]

Right? I mean it may not be for everyone but the 500 hours I have in the game were never boring. Like I would spend time just moving around different kingdoms, koopa freerunning, etc, and love it, because the movement is so amazing. And honestly Ireally disliked bowsers fury. It has terrible movement and close to no exploration. Music is also boring in bowser's fury, especially compared to classics like 'Jump up superstar' or 'Cascade kingdom's theme'.

[@randomperson3629]

@@blippity0915 I just used Cappy in multiplayer mode

[@blackdot105]

Like, for having 880 moons, they did a pretty good job. Aside from hint art, there was only a handful I'd skip.

[@The_Juice14]

@@user-cs8pt4zf8u yeah besides the first islands music I can’t remember any songs from fury. But I still know almost all Galaxy 1 songs and can recognize most kingdom tunes.

[@Greenglower2012]

I freaking love NB but he has been known to have recency bias in the past and i feel this is the same case

[@magic_asap]

yeah exactly

[@RN-wp1ck]

Ikr

[@mansoorahmed1256]

Only reason is that it’s more fresh in the brain

[@callmeobsequious]

I mean...most people experience some subconscious recency bias. It's more about being able to catch it. If a game has new, fancy, _good_ stuff, of course you're going to think "WOW, this is the best!" at first. It's up to you (or, in this case, NB) to slow your roll and try to be objective through the excitement.

[@pikachuhe]

yeah

[@NathanielBandy]

I really like seeing all the different perspectives in the comments, thank you! One thing I do want to note is that I wasn't really considering the "Length" of the games, because obviously Super Mario Odyssey is much longer. I was really just analyzing the gameplay itself, I didn't take length into consideration but I suppose I should've a little bit.

[@Jakewebmaster8]

Yeah, Bowser's Fury has way less stuff to collect, but it's more fun!

[@jordano4892]

Makes sense, Bowsers's Fury is just a side mode after all, and of course Odyssey is the full package

[@hooman2459]

Well, I felt as if you were a bit biased. Some of the criticism you brought up for smo could be easily applied to bowsers fury. Bf also has shines that are in post game. Sure smo has repeat moons, but in bf because there are fewer moons the repeats stick out like a sore thumb. I get some of your points, but I still think you were biased.

[@SIlVER650]

tbh u made odyssey look rlly bad (IK its oppinions but still m8)

[@removed3755]

Why is my name not in the endcard? I am a channel member

[@qymaenjaisheelal5142]

damn you are not being fair for oddesey, like for example: oddesey has a lot of moons, so ofc there are copies, but they arent bothering, vs the cat shines, in every level there is: blue coin, cat shards and just do the island challenge

[@Jamandabop]

There's no excuse to copy paste just because it makes the game longer. if a game is tight, and it only has what it needs to have, that's a good thing. Criticizing bloat in the AAA industry is important.

[@kylehalpern6695]

@@Jamandabop it's funny you say that because when you look at the variety of activities you do in odyssey it's more activities than other AAA games. (Music note,dog collecting,8 bit moons, capture moons, scarecrow moons, 3d platforming moons, exploring moons, puzzle moons, fishing moons and more. The witcher 3 Geralt litteraly says " More Neckers" sometimes when seeing Neckers. He is actually acknowledging the filler.

[@domino3861]

@@Mrcoffe-xw8gz even excluding the shop moons theres still a lot of copy paste moons

[@promienodrzutowysamuel790]

You just said that repetitivness isn't bothering in odyssey and you're complaining about bowser's fury in which, yes, cat shine quests repeat, but they're made so they feel completely different

[@Brenny123]

Yeah I know right

[@spicypeppers7773]

I honestly think that this review is kinda unfair. Comparing Odyssey to Bowser's Fury is like comparing a skyscraper to a little cottage house if you know what I mean.

[@Just-Tobin]

Odyssey and Bowser’s Fury are both amazing. Imagine combining them... By this I mean like a vast ocean with Odyssey-style kingdoms spread across it, and you can use Plessie to traverse the ocean

[@weeby87]

Super mario bowser's odyssey

[@azethe]

Mario's fury

[@turnoffautoplay]

*cough* CEAVE *cough*

[@awesomegg8]

@@weeby87 Super Mario Odyssey + Bowser's Fury

[@Egg.426]

If you want to know there is a youtuber called "ceave gaming" that goes into depth about how Bowser's furry solved the 3D mario problem. Would really recommend he is a great youtuber

[@paulblart7945]

I’m sorry, but essentially saying Odyssey has “too much content/too many moons” isn’t gonna be a con for most players. They’re both amazing games in their own right, but Odyssey just is better (in my opinion of course)

[@SM_mendi2010]

Agreed

[@thenationofdefecation7969]

Yeah like you could always just stop playing Odyssey whenever you want. No one is forcing you to 100% it

[@The_Juice14]

Going for a 100% run is the only time I’d see all of the moon being a real problem.

[@infinityheart_tm9270]

Hear me out, I wanna explore a kingdom. So when I’m being told that I have to comb over the place again after BEATING THE GAME for some pretty easy moons that could’ve been there in the first place then that’s when you start to realize something is off. I say this as I’ve already 100%ed the game.

[@TheAbsol7448]

There does come a point where quantity becomes too much. Because there are so many Moons, most of them are complete garbage, and detract from the value of the ones that are genuinely good. If they capped the value at around 360, then the Moons would've felt a lot better to collect while still being very abundant.

[@jokx4409]

he sounds oddly negative to odyssey for most of the video. I thought it was his favorite mario of all time? It was ranked above 64.... Now he's saying "bowser's fury is my favorite mario game since 64"? And the way he says "neither of those games are bad" sounds really negative. That's kind of unusual for him... weird.

[@shabberplasm32]

I honestly feel like he made this video *just* to trigger people. It's so baffling on his "reasoning"

[@jokx4409]

@@shabberplasm32 nah that's not the Bandy way AT ALL

[@nightsladerayx9145]

In my opinion, I like Odyssey more than Bowser's Fury

[@mariochris7257]

I love playing super mario odyssey it much better than bowser's fury in my opinion

[@Ian-ek2gd]

@Kdore_art I never played Bowser’s Fury before, but Oddysey has a ton in store to offer! You can transform into enemies via with a throw with Cappy, lots of kingdoms to explore, a lot of moons to collect, great controls, stunning graphics, and so much more!

[@hiliomahamed4536]

Same

[@cakegd5705]

yeah I agree too fury is just really short

[@superbat728]

Same

[@DannTheMan]

Odyssey

[@gamemetta101]

Here before many people like this comment

[@MasterCollector248]

Honestly

[@adachy]

verified 📮

[@karenbonilla7030]

Yep

[@Neentensev]

ye see

[@matthewberry2144]

2:36 You act like there's fall damage in Bowser's Fury lmao

[@ghmartini]

I think you're comitting the same mistake of when you placed Super Mario 3D World as your second favorite Mario game ever. It's the exhilaration of a new Mario game and I totally get it, but for me, Bowser's Fury doesn't even come close to Odyssey

[@infinityheart_tm9270]

Okay so just play both games. Then come back and rephrase your statement if necessary

[@nikolaorsmth]

@@infinityheart_tm9270 he didn't say he didn't and I did but Odyssey is way better tbh

[@scrubbl3dubbl391]

Bowser's Fury isn't even a full game. Don't get me wrong, it's really good but it just can't compete with how big and amazing Odyssey is.

[@lucascardona9053]

Bowser fury feels like a mix between the 2 games 3d World and odyssey I dont see why people compare it

[@Mr.EnderFR]

if Bowser Fury was a big and full game with new power ups and more gameplay it will be at least in top 5 Mario Games

[@Strangish]

I’m sure you’ll change your mind after some time with bowsers fury. The “New is best” mindset is something many have experienced

[@gfh_fishy7145]

I think he did it with mario odyssey when it was released

[@MrSuperMarioKid]

@@gfh_fishy7145 And the original Super Mario 3D World

[@gfh_fishy7145]

@@MrSuperMarioKid oh, thanks

[@RayoMcQueen95990]

@@MrSuperMarioKid yes i do remember that, on the OG list of best mario games he put it at #2 and on the updated one he was shocked to see it there

[@gabrielsirven6583]

That’s exactly what he did with 3D world 8 years ago

[@kuppakidzSCRATCH-mations]

For me odyssey has much more to meet than what it offers also OMG odyssey is so realistic I LOVE it edit: I say odd is Better

[@Imgenuinlyhorriefied]

98% of motion controles i oddesey can be used with Y

[@seekanddestroy9835]

Yes but using motion controls is actually faster than using y, which was what he meant.

[@Imgenuinlyhorriefied]

@@seekanddestroy9835 MMMMMMM. True

[@davinchristino]

Why do people hate motion controls so much

[@jadelapont6450]

@@davinchristino I don't know honestly if I had to guess probably cause they think it's too gimmicky however I don't feel that way

[@davinchristino]

@@jadelapont6450 Yeah they feel perfectly fine to me too

[@bickyrerwick614]

Nathaniel!! There are bots spamming “imagine supporting Nathaniel Bandy, he’s weird around little kids” I know this isn’t true but, please try your best to remove the comments. Thanks! EDIT: We did it! Thanks Nathaniel!

[@imreallytomcat]

Tbh I hate reply bots more than comment bots because: 1. They take more clicks to report 2. You can't do anything about it 3. Some of the stuff they say can be inappropriate. At least you can mute comment bots or blacklist words on your channel. Replies, from a viewer's perspective, are out of your control.

[@JJWARIOProductions]

Someone replied to me saying that. I reported it.

[@Crest_Expert]

Wait what!!?? I hope this isn’t true 😰😰

[@Koma_Nomad]

Oops sorry about the deleted comment. I thought you were talking about the "imagine not commenting:" comments. Yeah, the ones you're talking about are weird and im glad they're gone.

[@fatbjpenn]

LOL THATS FUNNY i want them to come back

[@turtleturtleturtleturtle]

The move people call a dive in Super Mario 3D World + Bowser's Fury is not actually a dive, but a mid-air roll

[@thefilmerrsnake5102]

Yeah i dont understand why they call it dive,well yes mario does a dive before the roll but its so short i dosent count.

[@legoboy7107]

@@thefilmerrsnake5102 Probably because it functions basically the same as Odyssey's actual dive, both in button inputs and general function, but it's just not remotely as good.

[@evrimenustun9548]

@@legoboy7107 One thing I do appreciate more about the Bowser's Fury dive is that it's much the delay before being able to change your dive direction midair is significantly less compared to Odyssey. Sure, throwing Cappy did readjust your angle immediately but in the scarecrow sections that delay annoyed the hell out of me. But yea other than that the Odyssey dive is simply too good.

[@sorio99]

I kinda have to disagree about Bowser’s Fury’s “progression”. Don’t get me wrong, it does mostly feel natural, but honestly, my biggest problem with the game is how each area “progresses”. When you first arrive at an area, you can grab the first shine in the area, the cat shards, and, if you get good timing from Bowser, the Bowser Blocks shine. However, the next two shines are locked behind getting the first shine, and then leaving, going a fair distance away, and coming back. In Mario Odyssey, any moons locked behind another moon are unlocked as soon as you collect said moon, and those locking moons are typically something important or impressive. Meanwhile, in Bowser’s Fury, if you want to knock out everything an area has to offer, you do the first shine, get Bowser to blow up the blocks, get the shards, and then you have to get distance only to come back, do another shine, and repeat for the last shine.

[@mro.p.9093]

I totally agree, it feld so wierd leabing the area and then immediately turning back to play it again

[@Juan_7_7_7]

Facts

[@soupymilk6193]

At least when you get fast travel, you can just do that to change the level, but until then, you're right

[@prestonthemetapod1484]

I didn't have a problem with it

[@jasonzervos]

You are kinda right about bowser's furry. It's not as bad as you say for me. And that's because you can do the first cat shine and go to the near by islands or do a Plessie cat shine. It is frustrating but you can work around it

[@baconlover692]

The fact that an add on game was being compared to a full game is pretty impressive

[@khondakermuinuddin4115]

@Captain Ren spitting straight facts

[@nintendude78]

Yeh but I think it really isn’t that much of a contest Odyssey is obv better

[@lolbit9859]

It's not dlc its with the game

[@Onlyitsmereid]

Well yes but odyssey is much longer

[@baconlover692]

I guess you are right, dlc is an understatement

[@johnwesleyolson858]

He made the point that in odyssey you can't get all moons until the end of the game, but in bowser's fury, you have to leave the island your on and come back just to get another shine. He also said that some moons are repetitive, but in bowser's fury like 10 of the shines are just waiting for bowers to show up and breaking the bowser blocks, and there's like 5 different types of shines, the blue coin ones, the time trial ones, the 5 cat shine shards, etc that just get repeated in different levels.

[@saiqa7130]

*12 bowser blocks, cat shine shards and lighthouse shine shines.

[@mincelamon1680]

Don't forget the timed shrines as well. Or bring the baby cats to their mother.

[@cadmiarjw]

@@mincelamon1680 timed shrines

[@fangier0]

Majority of Cat Shines are repeats, but that's not the case with Oddysey.

[@nox5629]

Thers OVER 800 moons and half of them are most likely repeated

[@connorstout2284]

Personally, I significantly prefer odyssey, I found bowsers fury a bit underwhelming but odyssey is one of my favourite games

[@ibrahimelghzalithatguy3336]

me too

[@spectacledman]

@Ahmed Elsayed Wow! It’s almost as is this is a bonus game mode attached to a port, and not a full Mario game! For real though, I really like the gameplay loop of Bowser’s fury, and can’t wait to see it expanded on in future games.

[@georges227]

Same

[@ZComma]

@Ahmed Elsayed I dont understand the bo replay value because I've 100%ed bowsers fury 4 times within the month of release 2 of those being in one city

[@kinghewwy8630]

Yeah bowsers fury was fine but on Every island u have to get 5 cat shines there is only 100 shines in total. What I beat fury I wasn’t sad or anything. In Odyssey like when climbing the final tower the music and what gaily says almost made me cry

[@jacobymrbro2031]

Some of your problems with odyssey don’t make much sense. You can’t really complain about repetition because bowsers fury has bowser blocks for 20% of the shines. Mario odyssey wasn’t designed to have you collect all the moons. You are only supposed to do what is fun for you.

[@TheVillager69]

Ummm he mentioned that Bowsers Fury has the same problem, but its better because there arent as many shines as moons in odyssey.

[@mariokart6309]

@@TheVillager69 imo that's pretty flawed logic since it makes it so most of the cat shines are repeated, there aren't hundreds of unique cat shines to balance out the repeated ones.

[@AaBb-sw9cw]

When bowser's fury was released: Oh this is awesome! Everyone now: Yeah, without a doubt, odyssey is better.

[@jfricci807]

For me odyssey is WAYYY better than Bowser's Fury, because I think that Bowser's Fury feels like the same thing over and over, it's like the template for something greater, like the direction that the next Mario game is going to take

[@touya6283]

I agree, but in Oddisey's post-game it's also the same over and over again, i preferred fury but that's just my opinion,

[@saltystick_99]

@@touya6283 Odyssey just feels like "Here, mess around and try to get outfits and unlock the ultimate challenge on Darker Side" Bowser's Fury is more like "Uhh, now you're super saiyan cat forever."

[@SmileyProductions....6377e6w]

Odyssey has alot more of doing things over and over again

[@Luma_64]

Hundreds of odyssey's moons are just out in the open or you have to ground pound to get, and a lot of moons repeat themselves, post game is fun but you are punished for exploring beforehand

[@jfricci807]

Yes, but it's when you're further into the game, in Bowser's Fury the game starts repeating itself nearly at the the beginning. Also those moons go by pretty quickly so it's not much of a problem for me

[@evanc3269]

I feel like ever since bowsers fury everyone has been hating on odyssey more

[@TheAmazingRaptor]

Yeah. Odyssey is not a bad game. But everyone is making it a bad game now

[@Dragular]

@@TheAmazingRaptor People have been hating even before Bowser's Fury. Pretty sure it's because of Joseph Anderson's video. Everybody takes that dude's word as if it's fact. It's pretty stupid.

[@wardskidoedels512]

@@Dragular Link?

[@brianzaun]

@@Dragular i didn't like that game since the first time i played it.

[@brianzaun]

yeah but people were hating on 3d world just because they didn't play it

[@stealthz9580]

‘The platforming isn’t challenging’ Darker side: am I a joke to you?

[@HighLanderPonyYT]

That one was only any hard because of the lack of checkpoints and even then it wasn't that tough (no Meat Boy or Hollow Knight craziness here). If there were adequate checkpoints (let's say 3, evenly spread), it would've been a breeze.

[@evrimenustun9548]

@@HighLanderPonyYT Hollow Knight craziness? Don't get me wrong I love the game but literally the only hard platforming challenge in Hollow Knight is Path of Pain and that's only cuz of the fact that the game does absolutely nothing to prepare you for that challenge beforehand. I bet at least half of the players only learned that you can use your nail to boost through spikes during their time on Path of Pain. That game's platforming is nothing compared to the likes of Celeste or Meat Boy.

[@HighLanderPonyYT]

@@evrimenustun9548 ok w/e

[@farisandtoola8232]

Nathaniel! Although I love both games, I do feel like your being a bit biased about Bowser's Fury. See, when you were talking about Bowser's Fury, you can't warp until you beat the called Any%. I have both games, so I can understand the points your making, just maybe next time think about how the opposing believers could call that false.

[@balayeneshararsaa5729]

that makes sense

[@cowcow0506]

He definitely should’ve mentioned that you can’t fast travel till you beat the game, yeah.

[@grubblandeg]

You're

[@JL608.]

The reason why mario odyssey has so many moons is to give players more options. Also bowser's fury has the same problem as odyssey where lots of moons are pretty much the same (kill shadow luigi, get a key, find cats, find cat tokens, etc). Also the moon rock moons is to allow players to have more to do after they beat bowser (post game stuff) this way it is not just beat the game and then you are done. Now I can agree bowser's fury is fun but in my opinion odyssey is better.

[@nnasimok]

I like the repetitive cat shines, especially the find the 5 cat shards ones. I think that all the different missions are fun and I don't think it ever got too repetitive (the Blast the Fury Blocks shines suck though) but/and I think we should be happy we got any shine variety at all because they could have just made is so you have to collect the main/first shine of a level and that's it.

[@JL608.]

@@nnasimok I am fine with the repetitive shines and moons. I was just saying it as one of my points why I like odyssey more

[@nnasimok]

@@JL608. Ok. 🙂

[@thecoltenchannel]

@@nnasimok Who the heck asked

[@nnasimok]

@@thecoltenchannel No one, but this is a comment section. I am free to share my thoughts.

[@panosmosproductions3230]

You know, tForgotten Isle from Super Mario Odyssey has 2 things going for it. 1. It’s open world 2. It requires platfoeming.

[@mreevee7785]

Why is this even a question lol Odyssey is better by far Edit: also this review is quite biased. You call odyssey out for having some repetitive moons which is somewhat true but bowsers fury literally only has 6 moon templates copy pasted from island to island like bruh... how is that less repetitive

[@nexarus42]

Bruh

[@randomradproductions1002]

yeahh Tbh I only disaree with you because I played super mario 3d world a lot more scince its multiplayer and my faimly enjoed it becuase its easy so when bowsers fury came out it was a way to replay super mario 3d world and play anoher game that was similar too it in many ways. In other words, Im biased to Bowsers fury XD

[@tuftycupid8721]

Bowser’s Fury is better

[@mreevee7785]

@@tuftycupid8721 care to explain???

[@tuftycupid8721]

Of course. The Cat Shines actually feels rewarding to collect. There are no Shines in Bowser’s Fury that you get by planting a seed or just talking to someone, most Shines are pretty challenging, hence it feels more rewarding to collect them. Some moons in Odyssey are just laying on the ground and I feel nothing when I get it. I also think the power-ups in BF are better than the captures in Odyssey. As NB said, most captures have one use and it’s very limiting. I’m not saying Odyssey is bad because, well, it ain’t, however it does have a lot of flaws, including repetitive and too easy moons, too easy platforming and the main game is also very easy. I can complete it in like two days. And by the way, I played Odyssey and Bowser’s Fury back to back, and I realized that Bowser’s Fury is far superior to Odyssey. It’s harder, has more challenging platforming and the overall gameplay is more fun. Again, Odyssey is still a masterpiece, however, a flawed one. Its still my second favorite 3D Mario game, but Bowser’s Fury is better. Note that this is only MY opinion, if you prefer Odyssey, then that’s amazing. Hope you understand. Have a great day!

[@JarilloYT]

Personally, I like odyssey better. Mostly because there’s a little bit more to do. But that’s not to say that Bowser‘s fury isn’t a great game. It obviously is. But for me personally I enjoy odyssey better EDIT: Please don’t start a fight in the comments. We all have opinions. Some of us agree, some of us disagree. That’s fine. We all have our own point of view!

[@fluttr9831]

@Kyle Robinson what?

[@tunok3874]

@Ahmed Elsayed fuckin roasted nice one

[@brianzaun]

peronally i think odyssey is a little bit boring, like, after saving the princess the game turns into a grand theft auto, there's no objectives, just go and find something to do

[@fluttr9831]

@Kyle Robinson bot

[@bickyrerwick614]

@@brianzaun I like odyssey a little better because there’s a little bit more replayability. After you collect 100 cat shines in Bowsers fury, well that’s pretty much it. You can’t collect anymore unless you start a new safe file. With odyssey I guess I had a little bit more to do after beating the game, I guess

[@BornPigeon6852]

Mario Odyssey is my favorite game of all time

[@cowcow0506]

To be fair, a lot of the cat shines in Bowser’s Fury are repeats as well

[@thenationofdefecation7969]

which I feel is even worse considering there is less overall, like each of the 12 levels has bowser blocks, blue coins, and cat shards. That's a third of the content in the game being the same 3 missions.

[@CK-iv1lq]

@@thenationofdefecation7969 To be fair, the Blue Coins, Hurry!, Key, and Cat Shine Shards can and have been used pretty creatively in the game. I particularly liked the Key shine in Slipskate Slope because a lot of the missions have you go down the slope but this one has you go back up, reversing it a bit and mixing things up. Or the Blue Coins in Pipe Path Tower; I think those used the pipes well. And the Shards are there just to reward exploration, really. The problem is the Fury Shadows and Bowser Blocks. They aren’t mixed up at all, so they just end up being boring to play. And in the case of the latter, it’s straight up padding. My big problem with Bowsers Fury is while there aren’t many things as pointless as some of the moons in odyssey (kick a rock, ground pound a spot, meet a person, etc.), there also aren’t as many genuinely good missions. It doesn’t have anything like the story mode moons in Odyssey except for the Make the Lighthouse Shine shines, but those are so short compared to the story moons (because the islands are so short).

[@geoshmeo1900]

@@CK-iv1lq I don't entirely agree here. Compare the amount overall moons in Odyssey to the overall amount of "good" moons in said game as well. Imo out of Odyssey's 883 moons, only like 200 at the absolute most (I definitely think it is less but I am giving the game best case scenario). That is less than a quarter of the overall moons within the game compared to Shines where I think there are, at the absolute least, 50 good shines.

[@CK-iv1lq]

@@geoshmeo1900 I’d say the number is more like 300-350. I count the main story moons, the platforming challenge moons, the sub-areas, the secret sub-areas, and the boss rematches as those “good” moons and I do think there’s plenty of those to go around imo. And I do think you’re overestimating the number of good shines in Bowser’s Fury. I’d put it “at most” 50 rather than “at least” 50.

[@geoshmeo1900]

@@CK-iv1lq not even close. 1) a lot of those "platforming" are barely eveb challenges at all, if anything they go as far as baic movement you should have already been using during tbe main story. 2) I was counting sub-area moons but not most of the secret moons because a majority of them do not have an additional challenge, the "challenge" is noticing something and I would hardly count those as good moons. 3) Main Story moons are half good, half garbage and most of the boss fights are pretty bad. I would say almost the entirety of metro kingdom story moons are bad for example. The only good boss fights are most of the broodals, dragon, and knuckle-head guy. The 1 broodal and every other boss in the game is pretty bad. 4) Nah I would say at least half of the shines in Bowser's Fury are good. Even if some are reused, they reused in different and unique ways or are still enjoyable/offer a challenge (e.g. token collecting for example and and a majority of plessie shines).

[@atedejager6933]

Honestly i prefer odyssey by a long shot just because i really like the moveset of the game. Bowsers fury just does not have that

[@davinchristino]

That's because it uses the 3D World engine

[@rove2098]

@@davinchristino nobody asked for the reason

[@thesenate1209]

@@rove2098 and? why does that matter? he is giving facts

[@claretrivedi6644]

@@rove2098 he’s just sharing his opinion

[@rove2098]

@@claretrivedi6644 that's no opinion, he tried justifing something that doesn't need explanation

[@michalodder2502]

The thing is, Mario odyssey is more of “it’s not about the destination, it’s about the journey” kinda thing while bowsers fury is a more faster game and is not taking exploring to a extreme level

[@SonicDavid]

That’s not even comparable, odyssey is way better

[@vincentbranciforte9832]

It's not though

[@Cjwhite7]

it’s an opinion

[@LilCheesyBean]

Yeah odyssey is objectively better, but bowsers fury is subjectively better in his eyes

[@El_GamerNstuff.]

are you dumb because that's a opinion

[@Fall-oo6mt]

​@@LilCheesyBeanplease stop with this bullshit about something being "objectively better" whether something's better or worse than something else is always subjective

[@nickk3077]

It sound like Nathaniel is regretting putting Mario Odyssey at #1 of his top 10 Mario games list.

[@lordoffrogs6786]

He put it at number 1. It's good, very good, but better than Galaxy? No

[@RobotGuy405]

@@theemblemhunter yeah, that's the point. He didn't give himself enough time to properly digest his experience with the game. Since his initial first playthrough left such a good impression he got ahead of himself and proclaimed it the best Mario game. I do indeed think Odyssey is the best game in the series, but I only came to that conclusion about a year after my initial playthrough, Nathaniel just got excited about the new game. He made this same mistake back in 2013 when he put the original 3D World as his #2 favorite. Everyone is always talking about nostalgia biases, but nobody ever mentions how recency bias is just as bad.

[@TalentedTrident]

@@lordoffrogs6786 that’s subjective; I personally prefer it over Galaxy because of it being open world.

[@NotnormLOL]

No he just change his mind only because new updates came to the game and they were literally the only thing that had literally all the problems

[@SamCooke87]

In your top ten Mario games video, you ranked Odyssey number one. Bowser’s Fury is not the best Mario game of all time.

[@jamesatkins6649]

That video came before, before Bowser's Fury existed.

[@El_GamerNstuff.]

I think bowser's fury is the best Mario game of all time

[@Albert_Pecanio]

@@El_GamerNstuff. super mario galaxy?

[@capnc4670]

I feel like you made a bunch of people mad. For me, I'm unsure.

[@cringememes1044]

It’s his opinion

[@cringememes1044]

Also it’s just a game

[@gunnadahun]

I don't think odyssey would be better with less moons. I loved the game so much that I'm glad there always seemed to be more to do

[@notwhoyouthink593]

True, imagine being like: "Oh no, I want less content"

[@riahlexington]

Thank you.

[@saiqa7130]

It's supposed to make you pick whatever you want.

[@Rokinbokinstudios]

I like it so you can't finish the game in a day.

[@matheuscabral9618]

@@Rokinbokinstudios well you can if you are a speedruner

[@sabrel4975]

"There are some areas which you can only access by collecting a certain number of moons" Uh, do you know which other game works like that? SUPER MARIO 64

[@Jamandabop]

Is that supposed to automatically make it good?

[@Wave_Duck]

Super mario is still my favorite 3d mario game

[@freshlymade7417]

Odyssey’s better (and yes I have 100 percent bowsers fury)

[@RayoMcQueen95990]

well, 100% Bowser Fury is not even that hard, only the skating blue coins thing but that's about it

[@nickblowers678]

I agree. It’s hard to see it any other way

[@VioletStreak02]

I disagree but ok

[@freshlymade7417]

All the bowsers fury bosses aren’t original Most of the cat shines are easy You can literally have like 15 powerups stored which is OP! Most of the cat shines are the same (shards, lighthouse etc)

[@VioletStreak02]

@@freshlymade7417 most moons are the same, the bosses are puss easy, in oddyssey you can get so many enemies in an area you can capture its to easy

[@wardskidoedels512]

I like Odyssey more because there’s a lot more variety

[@jackcooney1651]

Ok so I feel like half your argument is that odyssey has too much content. I don’t really get that. As a completionist, this game is so much fun to 100%.

[@infinityheart_tm9270]

Quantity does NOT equal quality with odyssey.

[@kylehalpern6695]

@@infinityheart_tm9270 what do you mean odyssey has some repeated moons, but they are wide in variety and make you explore all the nookks and crannies of the map. You look at previous mario games and their are legit bad stars. 64 100 coin stars, galaxy trash collecting, sunshine lilly pad. Odyssey has way better content then these games

[@jordivarela7160]

Its honestly a slog. There’s over 999 moons and it becomes repetitive after finishing the game. Never really had the motivation to revisit 100% Odyssey.

[@infinityheart_tm9270]

@@jordivarela7160 finally, someone gets it. You could say the same thing about green stars except those are in spots that are actually challenging to get to. Unlike odyssey’s 106 moons chilling out in the open just waiting to be collected

[@kylehalpern6695]

@@jordivarela7160 I think that's narrow minded. It's not boring (because it's a slog) it's because the games fun comes from exploration Wich it does better than any other mario game. In an odyssey level there are a wide variety of types of moons ( 3d platforming moons, dog collecting moons, scarecrow moons, music note challenge moons, hat door moons,puzzle moons, 8 bit 2d platforming moons,capture challenge moons. And much more.) That variety is way more than other mario games. And are baked deep into all the nooks and crannies of each world. Everywhere you go their is something to do and something to find. And you should want to explore these areas. Each kingdom has their own unique races architecture, currency, culture even your guide pamphlet, mario even reacts temperature Which marios idal animation reflects if it's to hot or to cold. I think what you are picking up on is that you can only explore something 1 time after Wich you have lost the ability to discover something a second time. But a slog, no the moons are wide in variety, use the whole map, and make real lived in feeling places out of them. And this is before we even talk about the movement. Odyssey rocks

[@browngamer4]

Odyssey has the smoothest and best controls of the entire series, period. The game itself is an absolute masterpiece, stop smoking crack

[@TheAbsol7448]

Eh... The long jump is probably the weakest we've seen yet, the walljump sucks, and the dive feels janky. The ONLY thing that feels good is the hat bounce. Even the triple jump didn't feel spectacular.

[@Underd0ggern]

I mean, it is his opinion, but I feel like he reviews games objectively. He doesn't consider if he likes Bowser Fury more, he just says "objectively, Bowsers Fury is better because it has better controls, isn't overwhelming with shines, and the shines make sense to repeat itself, therefore objectively, Bowsers Fury is better". I don't like how he just says a game is better because the controls are more intuitive. He should also consider what he prefers. I miss the biased Nathaniel. Not the "objectively based game" Nathaniel.

[@CTC6921]

Opinions exist

[@iammatthewdavid03]

I like Odyssey the most because it’s like a full game, the replay value is one of the best I’ve ever played, and is the type of 3D Mario game that I enjoy, which is open world/sand box like Super Mario 64 and Sunshine, and while I’m enjoying playing Bowser’s Fury, it’s kinda a glorified DLC and it’s gets a little tiring in to complete and I don’t think I’ll replay it again when I complete it like I do for Odyssey. (Also, I kinda find that 3D World is a good game, it kinda overrated, as it felt kinda basic and a game that I wouldn’t go back to.)

[@fluttr9831]

@Kyle Robinson bot

[@eamonwright6032]

It’s not dlc because you don’t have to download it

[@eamonwright6032]

@Kyle Robinson callmecarson moment

[@iammatthewdavid03]

@@eamonwright6032 I know it’s not DLC (as it’s apart of 3D World on the Switch), but it kinda feels like it is

[@brianzaun]

lmao, odyssey is the most different 3d mario

[@ethancurnow3868]

I like that the moons are split up. I get to revisit every kingdom and not get overwhelmed by all the moons at once.

[@HighLanderPonyYT]

The problem with that was getting moons after the moon rocks burst in places where you already thought you checked and found nothing before the burst. It either resulted in wasting time checking where there's nothing or being confused with something newly being put in a place where you already checked.

[@felixroux]

I found the dives in Bowser's fury much more useful than they seem at first glance. Alone it's practically useless, but combined with a wall jump you can gain a fair bit of height.

[@awesomeaustenkitty]

True, it also helped in the original 3D world too

[@franceskinskij]

​@@awesomeaustenkittyand thats what makes rosalina op. I got the stamp in Rotating blocks level by ground pounding, jumping, spin attacking, wall jumping and then diving. And according to the game I should have gotten a double cherry

[@hyliasknight]

Odyssey has literally 20x the content and the same ratio of fun content to meh content

[@brianzaun]

bruh what are you talking about??? odyssey is the most boring game i've ever played.

[@hyliasknight]

@@brianzaun you clearly haven't played odyssey.

[@mikumika3819]

@@hyliasknight lol just because they don't agree with your opinion doesn't mean they haven't played the game. you either have to be really delusional or just plain stupid to respond with a statement like this.

[@blackdot105]

@@brianzaun You've either not played Odyssey or Odyssey's the literal only game you've ever played in your life.

[@brianzaun]

@@hyliasknight lmao, i've completed the dark side and the darker side of the moon, so yeah, i played odyssey.

[@kyanpepperz53]

If the next Mario game is like Bowser’s Fury and is a huge completely open world Mario game thats longer than 3-5 hours it would absolutely destroy Odyssey imo.

[@HedgehogHero8]

Imagine supporting Nathaniel Bandy, he's weird around little kids.

[@TheInauspiciousOre]

@@HedgehogHero8 why are you even here

[@TheDiplomatAflame]

Really? Man... Odyssey is like to much better, Bowser cant even be called, "The new mario game" is just more content to mario 3D world, it a black awesome bowser, odyssey is really a awesome game, bowser fury is just... Fun

[@nnasimok]

It feels like it's own game to me.

[@Crazyson2001]

@@nnasimok yeah

[@VioletStreak02]

Odyssey is not very fun for me anymore :/ I personally think Bowsers fury is better, maybe thats just because one of my favorite games is Celeste

[@Crazyson2001]

@@VioletStreak02 yeah

[@nnasimok]

@@VioletStreak02 What does Celeste have to do with it?

[@jacobwinston7094]

To be honest I don’t think anything can compare to Odyssey. Bowser’s Fury was super fun, but it just isn’t as good.

[@sirasera_]

Galaxy can

[@aryan-gi1hw]

yeah it is

[@gamingwithnoob2224]

wow

[@jaretco6423]

Yeah. Bowser's Fury felt like an tech demo rather an full game. And while it was nice, it didn't as good as I thought.

[@littlestark919]

And to be honest the both are not better than Mario 64ha!

[@dudemanx8148]

Wait why are you comparing a game to an add-on

[@TheAmazingRaptor]

Ikr

[@zerochance357]

Because bowsers fury is a really good add on

[@dudemanx8148]

@@zerochance357 No doubt by 100% completed Bowser‘s fury twice but comparing it to odyssey which is a full game bowser’s fury in my opinion doesn’t stand a chance because it’s just an add on to another game

[@shabberplasm32]

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[@PufferFishXx4]

You know I was pretty surprised that you didn't talk about storyline, personally I think that odyssey has a better one while bowser's fury just kinda... exists. If you see this I'd like to here your thoughts!

[@jayambry6150]

I agree, I mean where did all this black goop from bowser fury come from

[@tuftycupid8721]

At least in Bowser’s Fury, Peach doesn’t get kidnapped.

[@Albert_Pecanio]

if we include storyline for mario games, galaxy 1 destroys every other game. so people dont use it to compare

[@badqualityfrog9367]

I think odyssey is a better game because of the kingdoms and graphics but for controls I agree

[@HedgehogHero8]

Imagine supporting Nathaniel Bandy, he's weird around little kids.

[@julienlevesque5366]

@@HedgehogHero8 what the heck do you mean??

[@fluttr9831]

@@HedgehogHero8 bot

[@brianzaun]

the kingdoms except for mushroom kingdom are all boring, what do you mean

[@NtDrw]

4:49 IF YOU DON'T WATCH SUPER MARIO SUPER SHOW, THIS HAPPENS. . .

[@14xkwitten]

Bowsers fury movement is great, but there are very few games that are even remotely comparable to odyssey's amazing movement.

[@leeartlee915]

Great movement and cool visuals is about all that game does well. The moons KILL that game for me. It literally felt like busy work. And I tried playing it multiple ways. Casually picking up moons, seeking out “challenging” ones only, and 100%. Well, there’s not enough quality moons to beat the game. 100% the game is brutal. So that leaves causal moons… which is how the game was designed. I’m convinced Nintendo made Odyssey with the intent of targeting younger players and super causals. Considering how well it sold, I think Nintendo succeeded.

[@sreeharipradeep]

@@leeartlee915 idk that might just be you. Im 100% ing the game for the 4th time and it doesnt feel tedious at all

[@leeartlee915]

@@sreeharipradeep Sure… thats why I said “for me”. It’s all opinion. Still, I’m pretty sure Nintendo made Odyssey as accessible as possible (i.e. it’s basic).

[@epicmariofriends178]

Bowser’s Fury is an amazing game but I like odyssey better

[@HedgehogHero8]

Imagine supporting Nathaniel Bandy, he's weird around little kids.

[@adamolis]

@@HedgehogHero8 stfu

[@adachy]

@Ahmed Elsayed take a moment to realize that’s the point of these reply bots

[@chrisbrochu3663]

This isn’t a comparison. This is hard biasy with the new=best mindset.

[@bluekirbyrocks]

Just like when he put super Mario 3-D world as a second best Mario game back in 2013

[@chrisbrochu3663]

@@bluekirbyrocks I commented about that earlier

[@saiqa7130]

LMAOOOP just like Sauda or new heros in btd 6

[@jordivarela7160]

Nah, the hype around Odyssey has faded and now when people critique the game, its bad apparently. Look, he said that the level design opinion is more so subjective. Idk why people take it so seriously.

[@i_am_anxious0247]

@@jordivarela7160 the thing is, the hype hasn't faded with boswer's fury, and so people are more hesitant to critique it. This is why people are pointing out recency bias. That's also only one point. I see no problem with preferring the level design of fury; it's honestly really interesting, and if you were to tweak a few things then it'd probably top Odyssey. However, I am almost certain that a few of the other things are due to recency bias.

[@diacosiapentacontahex]

I gotta be honest, the limiting, unaccomplished feeling I got playing Bowser's Fury just kinda left a bad taste in my mouth. It felt so confined, so small, so basic. I liked the game, yeah, but honestly I can hardly see how it could compare to Odyssey on any front. Odyssey is one of the most massive Mario games out there, it has a stunning soundtrack, amazing gameplay, a near-perfect moveset, and just overall so much more to it than Bowser's Fury could even hope for. If anything, Bowser's Fury is _far_ more repetitive than Odyssey is, Odyssey has over 800 moons- most of them are unique, but some of them are routine. Once you enter a major kingdom, you _know_ the first things to do. Once you get the routine ones out of the way, the unique ones are all that's left, and each Kingdom is so fun to traverse at your own pace with fun platforming challenges hidden along the way, while Bowser's Fury and its 100 Cat Shines are overall more... well, routine, rather than unique. Every island, you have to collect five cat shine shards, most of them involve chasing down Shadow Luigi, and every single one makes you wait ages for Bowser to come out of his shell to blast some stupid bricks for you. Odyssey may seem limiting by barring off certain moons so that they can't be accessed immediately, but that's what gives it replayability, those empty spaces give you incentive to go back and fill them up once you're done with the main game. And even then, it isn't nearly as much as the moons you already had access to. Not to mention, if you're not a completionist, you only need just under 15% of the total 880 moons in Odyssey to beat the main game, while in Bowser's Fury you need literally 50% of the total 100 Cat Shines, over 3x as much, most of which are predictable to a fault. I respect your opinion, but from what I've seen I really can't say I agree with it.

[@ghost-dr1tz]

whoever thinks bowser’s fury is better is dum.

[@Jacksiloution]

Well Bowers fury is supposed to be a smaller game as the dsvs never intended to have it received so well but rather a side game that alot can enjoy, if browsers fury was a seperate game then yes I would see your point.

[@lorinckocsan4315]

Nathaniel: my favorite game is Odyssey Also Nathaniel: Bowser's fury is my favorite game since 64

[@grimreaperplays2393]

Times pls?

[@thepenguinboi8679]

@@grimreaperplays2393 I don't think he ever said his fav game is Odyssey,but in his Top 10 Mario games and " Was 2017 the best year for gaming" vid,he said Odyssey was his fav 3d mario

[@harrdeeharr]

The two main things I disagree with are that having access to all the powerups all the time is a good thing, and that the platforming in Bowser’s Fury is more challenging. In fact, I think the fact that you have constant access to all powerups all the time makes the game way too easy, as having up to 10 cat suits and 5 tanooki suits available makes it easy to skip large chunks of platforming, and you’re almost never in danger of dying anywhere but near lava.

[@gwimbly519]

I've never seen someone misunderstand the point of the odyssey moons to such a degree

[@DomiAnimations]

Haven’t played bowser’s fury but it looks like a 3D world version of Odyssey lol

[@safiyascott2802]

@Sam Jackson Don't be a troll, bro.

[@freeze8483]

It’s nothin like odyssey

[@mariokart6309]

"There are dozens of reasons to use each of the powerups in bowser's fury" Bruh I challenge you to name even 3 reasons to use the boomerang flower over anything else Also the sheer amount of stupidity in "the hint art is boring once you figure out the puzzle" You mean the puzzle pictures that contain puzzles and nothing else are boring after you've solved them? HOW IS THIS PHYSICALLY POSSIBLE??

[@Tomversal]

Or the mushroom, the only reason you'd ever use that is if you're small and don't wanna waste another powerful becoming big

[@FurrXeni]

His point was it’s more useful than Captures

[@VioletSkipperX194]

Id much rather use the boomerang flower than the dreaded fire flower

[@abcgaming8938]

@@FurrXeni Not really, the captures are much more useful than the power ups, not to mention just more fun to control than Mario in bowsers fury at all, I mean they removed the triple jump, running around just isn’t fun compared to odyssey and the levels are tbh easier than Odyssey’s

[@snorange14]

to pass through large enemy amounts like the blocksteppers, collect out of reach cat shards, and collect mass amounts of coins and blue coins

[@EpicPaul64]

I think Odyssey wins out for me because it has more unique personality. Bowser's Fury has a pretty lame story (you don't even find out how Bowser got to be furious in the first place, and it's the title of the game!), there's no Jump Up, Super Star, and there's a lot of mission repetition. Yes, Odyssey also has repeated moments, but it had the unique kingdoms to make up for it. Bowser's Fury kinda starts looking the same after a while. Plus, Odyssey has Jump Up, Super Star! Did I forget to mention Jump Up, Super Star?

[@drybowserman1670]

If I had to choose between Bowser’s Fury and Odyssey, I’d play Odyssey every single time. The repetition of the cat shines is not very fun to me, and even though Odyssey has too many moons for its own good, I’d still prefer to play it.

[@TheAbsol7448]

Odyssey's Moons have way more repetition, though.

[@hamidmehrdad5805]

@@TheAbsol7448 they honestly don’t. Fury is just make the lighthouse shine, shards, keys, bowser blocks, and a couple unique ones per island. Odyssey has way more unique moons relative to the total amount.

[@saiqa7130]

@@TheAbsol7448 Yes but someone said they stick out like a sore thumb unlike Odyssey.

[@jaretco6423]

At least the repetition in Odyssey isn't mandatory.

[@TheAbsol7448]

@@jaretco6423 I found myself doing mundane repetitive things in Odyssey regardless of what I tried doing. At least the repetition in Bowser's Fury isn't incredibly mundane.

[@CaptainCat101]

Comparing these two games is like comparing Mario 64 and 3D World, it's hard

[@mariomorgan6083]

No it's not I'll easily play 64

[@Aiden07_YT]

That’s easy compared to bowsers fury vs odyssey. 3D world is easily better than 64.

[@mariomorgan6083]

@@Aiden07_YT were you born in the 2000's

[@anttheknee64]

@@mariomorgan6083 neckbeard moment 😳😳😳😳😳😳😳😳😳😳😳😳😳😳😳😳

[@mariomorgan6083]

@@anttheknee64 neckbeard wtf is that?

[@twocents7509]

Yeah, I prefer odyssey’s moveset and level designs. I also like how the story plays out in Mario odyssey, lots of humor and fun and we finally see Mario make a move. I also think it’s cool how in the post game you can find peach everywhere, kind of makes it feel like you’re traveling with her. Also, jump up superstar is a total banger.

[@Cyclopsaws1]

the thing I hate about both is the motion controls and bowser jr.

[@harrypettit0]

I love bowser jr in it

[@Cyclopsaws1]

@@harrypettit0 I'm half and half

[@connor9568]

@Kyle Robinson what

[@saiqa7130]

You don't even need to use motion controls. Just use y.

[@batmanbud2]

All i will say is, Bowsers Fury feels like a pefect blend of the collect-a-thon Mario (64, Sunshine, Odyssey) and the linear Mario (Galaxy, Galaxy 2, 3D Land, 3D World), and if the next game is like Bowsers Fury, but longer and with a beautiful score and atmosphere, it could be hands down the greatest Mario game of all time.

[@CK-iv1lq]

Gotta say i really disagree with this lol

[@LiamWins]

6:39 it’s actually only two of the 50 captures, as two of them are the electricity cable wire ball thing 14:06 you also have to beat the game

[@scarygarey3271]

“Favourite Mario since Mario 64”...ranks Mario odyssey higher than Mario 64 in his top 10 Mario games

[@Luke-cp9cb]

He knows Odyssey is an objectively better game through its content, but he enjoys Bowsers Fury as a game more

[@richardperaza5083]

Lol in his most recent Mario games ranked Super Mario 64 was number 1 again

[@scarygarey3271]

@@Luke-cp9cb it honestly just comes down to which game he has played he always ranks the newest games high at first

[@SamiKhan-fh6ud]

While it is annoying for people to collect all the moons in Mario Odyssey, it's all about how you look at it. Personally, it just gives me more of an incentive to play. I'll hop on, fool around, and then maybe grab a few moons. If I didn't have that, I feel that I would have little motivation to come back to the game too often after beating the game.

[@light_player07]

Oh dont worry all of you people in the comments, if an odyssey sequel comes out everyone will start hating on bowser's fury Which is what I hope happens. Odyssey needs more love nowadays

[@danielbjorkqvist3425]

Yes!

[@light_player07]

Ok that "I hope thats what happens" part is a little over-exaggerated however I do feel like the exact same thing that happened with 3d world and odyssey is happening with bowser's fury now People loved all 3 of these on release but the attention dropped down in a year or two for 3d world and odyssey

[@rperm834]

Some people have very good ideas for smo 2 in the comment section of other videos?.

[@andreou2473]

That’s incredibly toxic

[@zacharaymosley1315]

This is biased Odyssey is way better than Fury.

[@thegreygoblin5165]

Ahh, I don't think it's fair to compare a 3-6 hours expansion to a full-length game. Odyssey has masterful gameplay paired with delicately designed worlds, beautiful graphics, and stunningly great music that make the game simply pop to life. Odyssey is better than Bowser's Fury in basically every way, not to say Bowser's Fury is bad; it's phenomenal in it's own way but it really can't live up to what Odyssey did

[@cadmiarjw]

Ummm 3-6 hours!? Since when did everyone become speedrunners!?

[@Kad84]

Instead, I'd compare Odyssey with Mario 64.

[@GreyJackJack]

hippity hoppity your opinion is now satan's property

[@GreyJackJack]

@@cadmiarjw ikr, it takes sooo long to 100% the game due to the clever hiding spots and puzzles

[@Elden-Bear]

@@GreyJackJack it takes 3 hous to 100%the game

[@checkmaetin4or514]

This video has triggered me so much the fact that you are calling captures powerups is absurd and then saying that most of odysseys moon are justt he same. in some regard you are correct but in others you are just flat out wrong. the hint art moons for example were very fun to look for and not the same in any regard and the taxi moons were only in a select few kingdoms though i do agree that the peach moons were very boring and repetitive. I also believe odyssey has a more diverse selection of ways to get moons mainly due to its length but saying that odyssey isnt as challenging platform wise i disagree and i believe both arent that challenging but just enjoyable., I also believe bowsers fury is a lot more repetitive as there is always a blue coin shrine and a shards one and tbh most of them are just out in the open with no challenge to get them though i believe odyssey had some moons like that aswell but it also had 880 of them where as there is only 100 cat shrines, and about the powerups, mushroom is basically useless boomerang and fire flower are clone copies apart from the fact boomerang can pick up stuff tanookie leaf is quite cool but in my opinion not that useful and cat powerup is utilised well within the game but it is also the sole powerup of it. also about the moon situation i actually find it quite good as it had me coming back for more which i liked and the fact that one of your solutions to fixing this 'problem' is getting rid of some of the moon boggles my mind as i think the more content the better and i understand the content has to bee good but i personally felt it was . the replay ability factor also caught me off guard ass odyssey has so many moons that on your second playthrough or even third you can collect different moons each time apart from the story moon and also the platforming in odyssey is fun as you can look for a place to jump and cause of the wide array of movement options try and make it hell there is even a whole community based around this. JUST TO CLARIFY: this is not a hate comment Nathaniel is one of my favourite creators In short: You went to hard on odyssey Nathaniel.

[@randomAccessMemer]

Very true

[@nnasimok]

He wasn't calling captures powerups, he was comparing captures to power-ups

[@checkmaetin4or514]

@@nnasimok he literally says they are powerups wdym

[@nnasimok]

@@checkmaetin4or514 Oops my bad. I still don't think he literally thought they were power-ups though he was just comparing them.

[@checkmaetin4or514]

@@nnasimok yeah i dont think he meant to but it still just annoyed me

[@zaioffbeat3938]

This is clearly recency bias but we gon let it slide for now

[@davinchristino]

The same which happened with 3d world

[@junioru7525]

I feel like your doing the same thing you did with Super Mario 3d World where you rank that as your 2nd favorite mario game just because you recently played it. Also the criticism you gave Mario odyssey can so easily be applied to bowsers fury such as repeating missions. I feel that you came very biased

[@chrisbrochu3663]

That’s what I’ve been saying. Nate will feel like an idiot for this video in a few months

[@cringememes1044]

@@chrisbrochu3663 he said he genuinely likes it

[@Fawkesgirly]

I feel like this is mostly based on Bowser's Fury being a new game with a new experience. Mario Oddesy is a few years old and you've played it enough times to 'have seen it all' so having a new 3D game makes it look like everything is better because it's new and fun. It doesn't actually make it a better game.

[@francescabrogna6103]

Mario odyssey vs Bowsers fury Yo does anyone remember the fact that without 3D world Bowsers fury wouldn’t exist so yall better be playing 3D world too

[@bluesky5384]

This game is better than any kingdom in Odyssey (even my favorite Seaside) but it is not a better game overall. I love it though! Edit: the diversity of the cat shines is way worse than the moons. Actually, I love the 2D levels for moons. Ok, I'm pretty sure I like Odyssey more lol

[@Trashley652]

"Are any of Bowser's fury's powerups as flashy as turning into a T-rex or Bowser?" *cut to giga cat Mario* "Yes."

[@saiqa7130]

turns on mods *now yes*

[@stevesamuals2651]

Yikes. This is like comparing xenoblade 2 to the tantel dlc

[@wooonerf3195]

What? How is this a competition? 3-5 hour game vs 30-100 hour game? With smoother controls, new mechanics, AND more content? I can understand the appeal of the more open and bite size feel of Fury but I CANNOT see Odyssey being better with less content. 800+ moons is fantastic because if you want to keep going you can. If you don't want to collet them all then just don't. I respect you for standing by your opinion. You certainly aren't one who will gravitate towards echo chambers or pander to the most popular opinion. It's clear you value different things in games, but I do feel you framed some subjective things as objective. That's my only real critique.

[@TK_Maxx]

Odyssey + bowser fury The ship makes sense

[@WeMVP715]

Tough decision but bowser fury is the winner in my opinion

[@WeMVP715]

@Sam Jackson bruh I’ve known NB for the past 8 years

[@nothanks7063]

Bowser's Fury is Odyssey done right, I don't like how Odyssey feels like it is not a Mario game but more like a Banjo game, incorporating the mechanics of 3D World into Bowser's Fury was a stroke of genius.

[@eden_essence]

Have you even heard of 64 and Sunshine!? Mario Odyssey takes Mario back to his 3D roots and expands upon it in amazing ways. If anything, Odyssey feels more like a Mario game than 3D World.

[@Therealonetruejoe]

I completely disagree. You are not giving Odyssey any credit. Firstly, you mention “you only need 3 captures to beat the game”. You don’t need ANY power ups aside from the giga bells to beat BF. You also say “compared to just walking around and occasionally jumping”. Firstly, what an unfair thing to say. Just moving around in that game is an experience in itself, enough that after 100%ing it the first time I spent a full hour just walking around. I don’t know how you managed to enjoy the game AT ALL if you’re not having fun with the movement. Truly. Also, the skill cap is very high. You go from rolling around, to midair cap bounces, to spin pound roll cancels, to vectoring and nut jumping. I’ve 100%ed Odyssey three times and am coming up on my fourth. I feel like you’re not giving it a fair chance.

[@Therealonetruejoe]

@Pro at Stuff he was stating it as in "the captures are so useless that you only need 3"

[@jenniferbowen1862]

honestly odyssey it has a lot of replay value bowers fury has nothing to do once you 100% it

[@jenniferbowen1862]

true but not many do

[@i_am_anxious0247]

@@Arnalv this applies to even genuinely horrible games, because some horrible games have speedruns that are entertaining

[@ryanbrown6542]

I think that he’s approaching this for a completionist’s perspective. Which is why he continues to mention how many moons odyssey has. So when he says “replayability“ he actually means “completing it all again.” Which unless you really loved completing it the first time, of course you’ll find that bit a slog. However if you just focus on beating the game, you can beat it so many different ways because of the tons of moons you can choose to collect each time. I agree with another comment this is probably new game syndrome.

[@waywardlaser]

I wish Bowser's Fury was longer but maaaaaan it shows some great potential for the series going forward

[@catsrule0535]

even though we got bowser's fury, I still want mario odyssey 2

[@avd_designs_]

I feel like they are both amazing and I honestly can’t decide which I like more

[@Imjustscribble]

this is probably a case of new game syndrome when a new thing comes out most people think its the best thing ever

[@tuftycupid8721]

That’s not why I prefer Bowser’s Fury over Odyssey. It’s because Bowser’s Fury is harder and more fun gameplay wise.

[@ghost-dr1tz]

@@tuftycupid8721 😂😂😂. Bowsers fury is the easiest game ever. Odyssey got some challenge to it near the end.

[@tuftycupid8721]

@@ghost-dr1tz Again, I like Bowser’s Fury more simply because it is more fun to play, especially during the post game. It’s not because it’s a newer game and I’m just so “excited” that I think it’s the best. To me, Bowser’s Fury is a bit better than Odyssey because in Odyssey, there’s plenty of moons that I come across by accident. That never happens in Bowser’s Fury. Each Cat Shine feel rewarding to collect. Also, Peach doesn’t get kidnapped in Bowser’s Fury so that’s always a plus. So that’s why I like it more than Odyssey. It’s fine if you prefer Odyssey over Bowser’s Fury, but if you can’t respect MY opinion, then there’s something wrong with you.

[@ramennoodle9918]

@@tuftycupid8721 but is peach not being kidnapped really a good thing? BF doesn’t have much of a plot at all anyways

[@ivoryvt]

Bowser's Fury's music is hit or miss IMHO. If you were to ask me for my favorite 3D Mario level theme, I would say Crisp Climb Castle. On the flip side, if you were to ask me for my least favorite, I would say Fort Flaptrap. Both are from Bowser's Fury, one is an absolute hit, and the other is an absolute miss. The level themes feel all over the place in terms of quality. Odyssey has better music in an overall scale due to being consistently good, but Bowser's Fury has themes like Crisp Climb Castle and Mount Magmeow, which are excellent themes that surpass some of Odyssey's best. Music aside, I prefer Odyssey in most categories, so I think Odyssey is better.