Super Metroid 0% by TASBot, presented by dwangoAC - SGDQ2018

[@gamesdonequick]

TASBot introduction starts at 00:20. Run starts at 1:57. Couch Commentary is provided by QualityChris, TopsyTurve, Freyaspirit, Oatsngoats, Stump, MediaMagnet. TAS created by Sniq and total.

[@samuelh1766]

Good bot

[@dimas3829]

please always add on title name whether bugs\glitches were used or not.

[@BrunoAndretto]

Metroid 0% Mission

[@derpsquad3306]

Bruno Andretto haha that was a good one :)

[@wheatleythebrick2276]

Bruno Andretto lol

[@JohnTheBoost]

Noice mate

[@thefowles1]

7:51 Supreme Galactic Defense Queen SGDQ

[@E-102_Gamma]

_Clever girl._

[@dklime]

Nice one!

[@Veecy]

I never would have figured that one out

[@prinzeszelda3650]

TASbot is one of the most benevolent overlords you could wish for

[@ReverendTed]

8:08 - This feels like a Michael Jackson music video - multicolored flashing, moonwalking, love laser.

[@MKVProcrastinator]

Even when I see what controller inputs TASbot does, all this *still* seems like magic.

[@Kosmicd12]

Author of tas should be in title imo.

[@dwangoAC]

So I've struggled with this a ton, I'm actually kind of uncomfortable with being the only name up there but the problem is there are usually too many names to fit (F-Zero GX was especially challenging). This was GDQ's decision on how to handle it and I knew they would be doing it this way ahead of time. That's why I went out of my way to speak everyone's name during the event.

[@Kosmicd12]

dwangoAC gotcha. I did notice the full credits in description and comments, just thought it was still a bit sad that the incredible TASers don't get their name in the title. Thanks for all the work that went into this :)

[@thefowles1]

dwangoAC you're the real MVP; good on you for giving credit where credit is due, but also, you deserve the credit being given for your amazing work!

[@dwangoAC]

thefowles1 That's very kind of you - while I'm the presenter and the organizer in the sense that I pick what content we show I can tell you none of this would be possible without the whole team.

[@Whatareyouareyou]

Not sure if the title has been edited since this was posted but as it stands using 'presented by' and having the full credits in the description pre 'show more' keeps things more concise.

[@SLUDGEWARE]

i love this version of Samus .... she just dances and shoots hearts she's cool

[@CrasherX2000]

*says 0% Super Metroid* *clicks faster than the speed of light*

[@Ultracity6060]

TASBot _and_ Super Metroid? **drops what he's doing**

[@wheatleythebrick2276]

20+ years later and people still havent found a way to get through ceres station doors without having to stop. Great TAS btw, yall are dedicated

[@wheatleythebrick2276]

Guy Mor it was so that it didnt seem like I was congratulating them sarcastically, given my previous sentence

[@anantaboga9604]

This game is over 24 years old, Man I feel old... Anyways great job with n the run.

[@rmsmith122198]

Ananta Boga and considering the remake on the 3ds that was teased is most likely coming out next year, it's the for 25th anniversary

[@lee155912000]

thats so crazy lol super cool. how do they map out the out of bounds stuff without seeing it

[@dwangoAC]

lee155912000 Using the memory viewing tools in the emulator we can see what parts of memory are being affected by our actions and through a tedious process of elimination we can work out what to do to get the result we want. In short, the answer for most things involving a TAS comes down to persistence.

[@HawX192]

I am 24 and I remember playing this game when i was super young on my cousins SNES, i could never get past the first part id turn the console off when the ship started exploding. It was with 7 that I first completed the space ship and then i figured the game was just starting xD

[@swordsmancs]

In which Samus dances a planet to death by slipping between layers of reality via dancing her beam shots inside of doors until she gets a rainbow heart beam

[@The24thWight]

That was the most adorable cutscene I've ever seen.

[@Vistico93]

Mother Brain is still downloading this morning's updates to her O/S; Kraid, Ridley, et al. haven't even gotten out of bed yet and Samus has already destroyed Zebes

[@csvagrant]

At the next GDQ, TASBot accidentally births skynet. You heard it here 1st.

[@LeandroR99]

This SGQD interface is neat! The tas bot led input also are so cool!

[@phantomspaceman]

That was pretty amusing. I thought I was just going to see the statue clip again.

[@sapphireskyes3571]

The tile counter... IT'S OVER 9000!

[@btarg1]

Best part of summer games done quick

[@metarotta]

zebes self destruction meme run, i love it

[@Izandaia]

I don't know why I expected a normal TAS... Well done dwango, well done. You got me.

[@Koop784]

Yeeeeeep. Code injection is a thing. I don't think that when people see "TASBot," they want the game to be actually broken; They just want to see hyper-smooth flawless gameplay, with constant frame-perfect tricks.

[@raz0rblade06]

I did not expect this to turn into Arbitrary Code Execution, that was brilliant.

[@marktilton7964]

Anybody notice the clock is counting in binary

[@VideoGameAnimationStudy]

It's a shame they didn't really explain what a TASBot is (just started watching, they might explain later..)

[@10mei72]

Its just a TAS machine lol

[@wildstray92]

Dan Root there is a lot of terminology that they do not explain. "jiggs" "arm pumps" "tile counter" "payload", etc. Shame. I guess they just expect everyone to magically understand. It makes it hard to enjoy it as much as they do from a technical aspect.

[@10mei72]

I mean Super Metroid has a long legacy...

[@murphy54000]

A jig is a dance. Arm pumping is exactly what it sounds like-in Super Metriod, aiming diagonally up, then diagonally down while running is slightly faster than just running. Tile counter is... a tile counter. The payload is the TAS run itself, the sequence of inputs.

[@Zelinkokitsune]

Check the Celeste run by MrTASBot for the intro for TASBot. This was the middle game of the three they did

[@orvilleredenpiller338]

“with only zero percent of items”

[@kingtruly9323]

2:48 jump man ridley is up to something

[@Lulink013]

That's not my favorite ACE usage, not by a long shot. Since sky is the limit with these I would have liked to see crazier things, like the SMB3 run where Mario does a shinespark. I know it takes ages to prepare these runs but that's the whole point: spectacle. Here we have a standard intro sequence, a few OOB and the ACE setup that take the majority of the time, for a comparatively short payoff.

[@dwangoAC]

Lulink I'm happy with what we were able to do, but at the same time I will say that this is not the payload I was hoping for. The main payload dev, total, was heavily distracted with the LttP+SM rando combo he created and we couldn't get the original idea of showing that off in the payload to work out. What you see here was basically made in a week which isn't ideal.

[@Lulink013]

Wow, that's great for a "last minute" solution! Too bad they probably won't give you the spot again next time even if the payload is way different, for the sake of having different kind of runs each time...

[@dwangoAC]

Lulink I don't anticipate ever submitting another run of Super Metroid, most of the development time was on getting the game to sync. We're always looking at what can be done with other games so feel free to stop by Discord.TASBot.net to guide where we go next.

[@Boemel]

I have no idea whats going on but i love it.

[@basthianortega0297]

Omg i love this game so much!!! Nice Run buddy! Hahaha

[@BewbsOP]

so, since they didn't explain, was that arbitrary code execution? They just kinda glossed past it.

[@joshmosh1313]

Rewriting code within the game and then executing it to make the game perform differently than it was originally program to do.

[@BewbsOP]

I didn't ask what arbitrary code execution is, I asked if that's what if was. With as little as they explained, it could have just been a custom game where thats what the ending sequence was replaced with.

[@dwangoAC]

Oh, definitely. :) There's no way the original game made reference to charity marathons. There was a brief but not particularly clear discussion about it prior to the glitch itself talking about being out of bounds and manipulating memory directly.

[@joshmosh1313]

I'm sure it was the original game, they just manipulated the coding to make it spell out whatever they wanted at the end. They did much crazier stuff in the past using only the original in game coding. The girl explaining the glitch that was found and the TAS community was able to use that glitch to get into the game coding and change stuff around. That's why you see custom text referencing the marathon and then the original credits came shortly after.

[@timseguine2]

They did mention the payload briefly, but it might have been easy to miss. That and fact that the TAS block has pretty much turned into arbitrary code execution theater.

[@DamienGranz]

Unpopular Opinion: Honestly I kind of hate arbitrary code execution in a TAS. Once you can access RAM or whatever through any glitch basically nothing you do is interesting anymore. At this point the run is indistinguishable from any other ROM-Hack. It was interesting from an academic point to see once. But after that you're just like "What else can we program?" uh, basically anything that the SNES can handle? We got that. I get that all this takes a lot of work and I don't mean to diminish that. It's just not very interesting and is somewhat disappointing. I mean, I know that that's just my take and do whatever you like, I guess.

[@poopdogg666]

**Popular Opinion**

[@DjVortex-w]

Personally I also oppose the idea of arbitrary code execution to be categorized as a normal legit game completion. In my opinion, once the console starts executing code that's not in the original game binary, executing the game has ended, and thus likewise the run has ended as well. As an incomplete run, which didn't finish the game. It doesn't matter if the custom code later jumps back to the game's code. The run still ended earlier, and that's it. However, as a _demonstration_ of what can be done via gamepad input alone, it's fine.

[@DannoHung]

I think the breakdown of how they get to arbitrary is interesting in each title.

[@ProcrastinationHyperfocus]

Try doing it in a game where your timing is partially tied to a failing, inaccurate sound clock crystal. Like, uh... this one. Fair play if you're bored of them but the fact remains is that they aren't simply just running homebrew because they still have to achieve the bootstrap with the original game, and just controller input.

[@AlbySilly]

I don't like the complete takeover of the console, but I like code snippets being added to the game

[@EdwardHowton]

Couple years ago, I disliked TAS runs. Commenters back then convinced me to give them some respect. Now, there's this. Thank you, TASBot.

[@dwangoAC]

EdwardHowton If you don't mind me asking, what in particular changed your mind? What would you like to see us do more of?

[@EdwardHowton]

Honestly? It was silly. TAS felt like it cheapened the speedrun idea. You can't _be_ better than frame-perfect automation, and I saw it kind of like people playing... I don't know... golf with self-guided golf balls fired from computerized launchers. I'm not a speedrunner myself; I could never do it either because I default to 'normal casual gameplay' even if I try to do otherwise (just like how everybody always tries to play something different in Elder Scrolls but always ends up with a stealth archer), but I'm impressed with the technical skills necessary for the ones who do it. Having a computer do it... where's the challenge? The accomplishment? But then people convinced me to see it differently. It's an incredibly useful tool to learn strats and techniques, and on top of that, through a TAS, you can have a little bit of fun while you're at it. I'm a big fan of speedrunners showing off by dancing to the music, and TASBot can do that even better. TAS isn't a speedrun, it's a spectacle with a purpose. Does that make sense? And now Super Metroid in "four minutes". That's barely even enough time to get the popcorn ready, and Samus is dancing too. What's not to like?

[@shinigamimiroku3723]

That is INSANE! :O

[@rarebeeph1783]

Before watching: wasn't low% stuck at like 8% or something? I'm hooked. After watching: oh wow ACE

[@morlunknight884]

My mind breaks everytime I see a Tas that does more than just play the game. I can not understand how they do that stuff

[@Spillerrec]

I think these TAS runs has too much arbitrary code execution lately. It was neat the first time, but after that it just becomes homebrew...

[@lvcsslacker]

it's still impressive that they are able to do it with the d-pad and original hardware. As someone who used to code, that blows my mind.

[@dwangoAC]

Spillerrec If there's one thing I've found over the course of 8 events it's that everyone has different tastes. We often find ways to gain complete control of games and consoles and the question is how best to use that control to do something interesting. We're always looking for suggestions on what would make for good content so feel free to contribute. If you are part of the percentage of viewers that just can't stand it at all I recommend watching the Celeste run instead. I try to always include normal TAS content where I can, inasmuch as the GDQ submissions committee allows.

[@Spillerrec]

I just don't think there is anything interesting you can do with complete control. You have already shown that you can stream both video and audio to a console through the controller port (and I have seen it done through a custom cartridge as well so that you could play using the controller) and therefore not even be limited by the hardware. It is hard to break expectations when you remove the rules. (And I have seen enough color-a-dinosaur and "TASbot writes really slowly in a console" already.) Personally I would love some more technical explanations of what is going on. What was the exploits for the arbitrary code execution? What was going on with the GBA in the F-Zero showcase? It seemed important, but it was glossed over to show dinosaurs instead. And perhaps that is what disappoints me, that memes and twitch chat seems more important than the awesome work you put into it to make it possible. As for suggestions, perhaps you could showcase some of the tricks in the TAS in slow motion after the run? TAS'es often run too fast in order to explain what is going on so you miss a lot of what is happening. It is also hard to draw comparisons against the RTA as you usually don't know the routing that well when you don't run it, if you even have seen the RTA at all.

[@ArkThePieKing]

Personally arbitrary code execution is always welcome. It's the next best thing to witchcraft, and I love seeing what you mad scientists are going to come up with next. Keep it up! :)

[@kainotachi]

I don't have really a problem with there being arbitrary code execution included, but I do agree that having every run turn into it can get a bit old. I like also seeing TAS runs that show off strategies and glitches impossible to a human runner. The Celeste run was very good, and the F-Zero GX run had a mix of both, so overall I think there was a pretty good variety this time. Compared to some of the past events where every single TAS run showed was just injecting code into the game, this one was pretty balanced, and I hope it can keep that balance for future events.

[@theswapmeetflea]

Samus was 16 years old! when she did this , apparently.

[@sebastianfernandez6146]

TASBot is the best pet

[@FumetsuGolf]

Can someone explain how they got that message to show in the middle of the run? For someone not familiar with the TASbot run of this game.

[@tysonhoffman7443]

Watch all the controllers light up at 7:03 that is TAS programming the game. They got the game into such a glitchy state that they can actually overwrite the normal game behavior and data and make the game engine read their injected game data and do whatever they want it to. It takes deep knowledge of the game engine and a heck ton of trial and error to find the way to get the game into that state. It's incredible that they find ways to do that with only controller inputs, but they did!

[@akatsuki_okami]

I'm quite new to speedrunning and actually never played Super Metroid but knew a bit about it. This is some pretty cool stuff but I'm unfamiliar with what is going on. I guess no one is actually playing but a script is playing on an actual console? What are arm pumps, jiggs, tile counter, payload? And what is "the animals were saved" thing? Feel like I'm missing something here.

[@Divisaw666]

tas run played the game normally until 7:03 in where you can see they imput a million imputs per second with 4 controllers which let you literally code everything of the game with button presses, in this case they made a little custom mission about saving the animals

[@RetroDrew]

For explanations of arm pumping and other such stuff I suggest watching any previous GDQ run of Super Metroid as they always explain it.

[@zekaron]

I'm so glad Zebes is pronounced right :D

[@jordanphilipperris]

Yup, and as much as it pains me (Thanks a lot exceptions to the rules), for quite a while, I use to pronounce it as Zeebes :)

[@Evildandalo]

How hard would it be to solder on a new quartz oscillator on a SNES to combat those latency issues with TASbot? I know the SNES has SMD components but I’m not sure about the entire board.

[@dwangoAC]

The issue really comes down to the fact that there are *two* clocks that don't line up perfectly. I've already tried replacing the sound board ceramic oscillator with a quartz crystal clock but that was insufficient. The next step is to use a single reference clock and derive the sound and CPU clocks from it; I'm on the hunt for a 1-chip SNES to start this project on but need donations to help cover costs.

[@sairast]

i have no idea what happen :O

[@memeslayer692]

Just imagining tourian without the ice beam….Jesus

[@Ben-jz3mt]

What exactly does arm pumping do? I heard it makes Samus run faster or something

[@StellaWSteel]

When Samus angles her arm and then brings it back down it moves her forward 1 pixel. It adds up over the course of a run.

[@joedoe1096]

That's a myth, the truth is it's done out of lonliness. It's as close as the runners can get to a handjob.

[@Omega_Ridley]

That message?

[@Ricardo57492]

Efren Garcia The bot recoded the game so it can say that basically

[@Luisin88]

Rob the robot is playing?

[@ludwighanisch]

i want to meet TASBot in reallife...

[@dwangoAC]

I see him every night, but I don't ever put him in the bedroom. Seeing him staring at you when you wake up is creepy. So I take TASBot with me to a few things - if you are in the SF bay area you can come visit, otherwise come to a GDQ event sometime.

[@slthr]

i am pretty sure all the animals die when Zebes explodes. I'd like to think otherwise, but I can't shake the reality of it. D:

[@takemetoyonk]

The Samus dialogue was amazing

[@Crow653]

Idc much about agdq/sgdq besides the fact that they do a lot of good fundraising, but Dwango is such a good commentator that I'm always impressed

[@ezioauditore5616]

if this is played on a real snes, how did it write that msg on a cartridge???

[@revenevan11]

They briefly touched on it while mentioning the out of bounds area that actually represents code within the game's memory, if you watch the controllers while they're out there at around 7:00 you can see them light up like crazy. Each button press there is a bit of code being put into the memory by tasbot. They re-coded the game using an arbitrary code execution exploit, the entry point for which is the out of bounds section there which is when most runs would just make it skip straight to the credits.

[@chaoskiller7972]

I don’t understand why that weird message popped up

[@chaoskiller7972]

zty82100 ooh alright thanks a lot man! :D

[@anlumo1]

Also, updating the credits to include themselves.

[@AkaiAzul]

zty82100 I had no idea they discovered ACE in Super Metroid. Now I wonder what they’ve done with it other than what’s shown here.

[@dwangoAC]

We also have a really slick music player. The reality is that once you gain total control and you break out of the game loop you can do whatever you like so long as it fits in RAM and it basically can be anything from a demoscene to something less crazy. This method used a hook in the main game loop so we could keep playing Super Metroid.

[@dwangoAC]

Credit there goes to Sniq and total who worked out a proper ACE path when the 0% TAS was created in an emulator. The hard part on display here was doing the same thing on real hardware.

[@mittensfastpaw]

Always have to save the animals!

[@inlovewithi]

What are the tiles?

[@lomenado]

Map tiles. IIRC, Oats had just done a run earlier at that GDQ of 100% Map Completion, which requires you to traverse Zebes until you've filled out all 1244 obtainable/pink squares of the game map (they do this on a ROM that tracks the number of tiles you've gotten, so you know exactly how you did). It's a pretty boring speedrun category for Super Metroid, honestly, but it turned out pretty well thanks to a great couch (shout outs to Sephy/Antinomy and GrandPooBear).

[@Jesthor]

8:30 Shamone Aran

[@lukekinder4959]

That woman should be the new voice of samus aran.

[@fredo3161]

"We are Freyaspirit"?

[@Sephiroth1x1]

It seems to me that Samus didn't save the animals after all 😞

[@KiyokaMakibi]

How the hell do people and TASbots avoid crash blocks if its all random? >_

[@timseguine2]

Because "random" on a super nintendo isn't random. It is what is called pseudorandom. If you can replicate certain things about the setup you can find out what they are by trial and error and know how to always get them that way.

[@cmcm7004]

this is crazy

[@autotactic]

what is that 95000 tiles?

[@revenevan11]

iirc it's referencing a previous run at gdq where the goal was to visit every tile of the map, and they had that tracker in the corner to help the (human) runner. If the number wasn't 0 when he got to the end it would be horrifying to him because it meant he'd missed something along the way and have to go back and search for it or admit defeat if he went too far over on time.

[@Astro-Rabby]

Arbitrary Code Execution ResidentSleeper

[@Clowess]

Thanks!!!

[@wrexand]

i was kinda excited to see a frame-perfect super metroid run, this was kinda dumb.

[@ArkinesVT]

w r e x a n d if you think its dumb, you should have read the title. It clearly says a 0% run. That means 0% of the game.

[@dwangoAC]

w r e x a n d I highly recommend you watch the truly frame perfect TAS movies of Super Metroid on TASVideos.org then. There were compromises we had to make to do the run on real hardware.

[@timseguine2]

They explained in the video, but frame perfect TAS is pretty much impossible on super metroid on original hardware

[@dwangoAC]

Tim Seguine Frame perfect is possible but it's easy to desync at door transitions which is why we often have pauses. The sections after the pause when exiting the ship include frame-perfect arm pumps, for instance.

[@timseguine2]

Yeah, dwangoAC, I just pretty much meant it is not reasonable to expect it in a marathon because of how likely it would be to desync and ruin everything.

[@piplup2009]

what do these tiles mean?

[@revenevan11]

iirc it's referencing a previous run at gdq where the goal was to visit every tile of the map, and they had that tracker in the corner to help the (human) runner. If the number wasn't 0 when he got the the end it would be horrifying to him because it meant he'd missed something along the way and have to go back and search for it or admit defeat if he went too far over on time.

[@thebeersy3294]

I don't get the kill vs save thing...

[@lorddirt5532]

I have no idea what is going on

[@zman08]

ALL GLORY TO THE TASBOT

[@lonelyPorterCH]

100% is boring, lets make it 0%^^

[@GreasyPhil420]

Can someone explain what tasbot does? It seems they tell it what to do but it also does what it wants.

[@dwangoAC]

TASBot is akin to a piano roll - he plays back a pre-defined sequence of button presses arranged ahead of time to complete the game as quickly as possible, or in some cases glitch it out of its mind.

[@bluegum6438]

*???*

[@TheMrbubbles1378]

I can beat it in less than 2 hrs to see Samus outside of suit without glitches. I actually still have a game save on my original for it.

[@vevosuxalot8136]

i have done the out of bounds tas glitch

[@booster-b3568]

What was that text box? Is this a romhack or something?

[@derpsquad3306]

Joost Zuidema It was Arbitrary Code Execution (ACE). Using a lot of frame perfect and pixel perfect (which is only possible via TAS), they basically wrote their own code. Correct me if I’m wrong, but many older games for the SNES have some form of ACE glitch.

[@booster-b3568]

Derp Squad sounds really complicated, so I don't know if you are wrong or right

[@dwangoAC]

Joost Zuidema They're mostly right. It's a lot harder to find entry points to obtain total control than it may seem but that's exactly what happened here. Once we obtained Arbitrary Code Execution we used it to place text on the screen.

[@booster-b3568]

dwangoAC wel I didn't say it wasn't difficult, cause what I see on my screen I can't pull of in a million years Thanks for explaining though

[@Otaku_Sama]

YES A TASBOT RUN

[@Kotori--Chan]

around ~ 5:07 look at the controllers holy shit....

[@percher4824]

That special message was not only extremely lame, but also cheesy as hell. I do not approve.

[@dwangoAC]

Nightmare Cookie I asked for volunteers to help write a better message but they weren't any volunteers available until it was a bit too late to safely make changes. It was a last-minute change to add the text as we realized test audiences weren't comprehending that we had taken control of the game, hence dropping references to SGDQ in the text. You are welcome to contribute for next time by joining our Discord server.

[@percher4824]

My jokes aren't exactly suitable for a broad audience and the "no swearing" rule... My profile picture can confirm this.

[@ProcrastinationHyperfocus]

There-in lies the difficulty of writing family-friendly jokes.

[@dwangoAC]

Paul Brookfield Indeed, which is why I haven't been able to show off the Family Feud TAS as both attempts so far have been too foul (along with issues similar to Super Metroid with non-deterministic behavior causing desyncs, but I digress).

[@RobertSzasz]

dwangoAC is fixing a console's clock drift issues by providing a stable clock source considered ok for verification of it matches original specifications?

[@whoistitan]

Can you explain kill vs save? Anyone?

[@ca5ualm3dia]

i dont get it

[@JSN117]

I'd rather have seen another super metroid race

[@wheatleythebrick2276]

tobalt1 who?

[@maevtrnx]

i'm in awe at the size of the dude on the left *ABSOLUTE UNIT*

[@alexnaglich]

Can someone confirm if this ROM is unedited? I didn't see enough arbitrary movement to justify full menu rewrites. Looks altered to me.

[@dwangoAC]

Alex Naglich It's completely unedited, I used an original US Super Metroid cartridge and an unmodified console. The cartridge had a vanilla 0% run in slot 2 to make the process faster. Note the visualization boards showing the fast input when the ACE is triggered.

[@alexnaglich]

dwangoAC Okay, that makes sense. It's not as apparent as the junk inputs in other TAS videos I've seen (the Super Mario World credit warp comes to mind). Thank you for the clarification!

[@Noise-fe6dp]

What exactly is a 0% run?

[@dwangoAC]

Noise It refers to the number of items collected. We picked up no items so it shows 0% at the end of the credits.

[@VorpalSlade]

So they're litereally just watching a video of a tool-assisted-speedrun? So confused, the TASbot can't be working out what it should do as it's going, right..?

[@dwangoAC]

antlerflax What we showed wasn't AI, think of it more like a piano roll being played back on a player piano where every press is predefined and played sequentially.

[@LS-jj4sy]

Zebiss

[@knox1392]

Is this a romhack or smth

[@shinkiro403]

Human beings and their innate empathy with machines and comprehension of their behavioral processes. Enthralling...

[@vevosuxalot8136]

like a broken ming vase super metroid is dead

[@shinkiro403]

vevo sux alot it isn't more dead by itself than any other pre-PS1/N64 game. Therefore saying Super Metroid is dead isn't much different from saying retrogaming is dead, which it isn't and probably never will, so it's a kinda pointless statement...

[@vevosuxalot8136]

i meant it as games go to die when the game breaking glitch keeps you from running anymore lttp, oot, super metroid

[@vevosuxalot8136]

not to mention that most of these games have a similar back in time glitch which breaks the fun out of it

[@vevosuxalot8136]

I am just glad final fantasy 6 has a difficult back in time glitch. So most of the game is playable until the auto grinder

[@shinkiro403]

vevo sux alot Oh I see, sorry for the misinterpretation. What's this back in time glitch anyway, did it appear in this run?

[@snbeast9545]

Save vs. Kill the Animals: People who don't understand what they're putting their money toward: *SAVE* People who understand the value of speed and the whole point of speedrunning: *KILL*

[@jonteguy]

"pixel perfect frame perfect" why is that even thrown out in TAS runs where you can input code frame by frame, it legit has nothing to do with timing or frames in a TAS run. All you have to do is know that the specific glitch is a thing. I love TAS runs, but PLEASE: can we stop saying pixel perfect and frame perfect like it matters in TAS. It doesn't.

[@eetmahbykechorts5925]

You guys ruin my favorite games

[@raphi2837]

WTF is this?

[@darthr0xas363]

Aloo Gaming How does this ruin Super Metroid?

[@solarlightkirby5793]

Tasbot super metoird impossible hack