Super Saiyan 3 Is Useless

Today I discuss why I think Super Saiyan 3 has been a useless form in both Dragon Ball Z and Dragon Ball Super
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[@beanshounen]

Just to clarify: SS3 not getting wins isn’t my only reason for thinking the form is pretty useless. I just thought it was a good way to get the general idea across in a short format. There’s also the massive stamina problems that prevent it from being used to its full potential in the living world. Then there is also the fact that in the manga continuity Trunks proved that SS2 has potential to surpass SS3 if trained properly. Despite the form’s flaws I do like it. If you take the movies and GT into account it has a ton of great moments. I just think it fell flat in canon. I hope in the coming years we get some respect put on SS3, maybe Gotenks can master it to negate the stamina problems and prove how useful it can be if trained.

[@itzNaddy]

No he could beat kid buu but in the show he said he held back so vegeta could get to fight and he burned most of his ki . He said he could have killed buu if he went all out from the start but didn't

[@priestesslucy3299]

​@@itzNaddy that is what Goku believed at the time, yes. But it's also true that at the time Buu was a bottomless well of Qi that kept surpassing expectations. In theory, Fat Buu had as much potential power within him as Super Buu he just wasn't good at drawing it out.

[@itzNaddy]

@@priestesslucy3299 for buu Goku couldn't defeat fat buu to that form is burning ki too fast plus it his first time .for kid buu he had some what gotten accustomed to the form and had enough power but didn't use it's full power and burnt all his ki to give vegeta a chance

[@fmthebaron]

Goku did manage to master Kaioken with no ill effects so if he needed to (no need with SSJ God Forms now) he could master SSJ3. Frieza was also able to master his Golden Form which had a bad stamina drain problem just like SSJ3.

[@ramblincapuchin9075]

I think you sort of miss the point of what the transformation represents Even without the reward for having a renewed form in other world, the Babidi arc wanted to introduce dark and light agency to the realm of humans Humanity in this context involves Saiyans, but I will use it to represent creatures who inhabit human form as a merit of physiology (head and shoulders knees and toes, etc) Due to Babidis intrusion on the physical domain, enough worlds collided to bring Saiyans into the fold for the fate of earth. And the result was having characters like Shin learn of the potential humans have Dragon Ball being a gag adaptation on Journey to the West, it represents what a mortal being can do given the tools to strive. Then to take that experience riddled with strife to encourage others to persevere. Goku is the avatar for that purpose. Albeit combining two characters into one from that lore Not that I have a problem with the term useless, but calling it that does go against the grain considering where Goku is at this point in the journey. The only reason Goku couldn't meet Beerus at that level is because he is co-opting his own Saiyan potential. In other words he was still finding utility in old wineskins (physiology) Pikkon couldn't beat Buu despite making short work of Cell and Frieza. All those folks were heroes before Goku entered their ranks. The difference was that they were not gods, only hall of famers. Furthermore it was a VERY special occasion to have a person return from the dead on behalf of heaven. They brought back Vegeta of all people before consulting even the higher order entities such as Whis Obviously by said point none of this was canon, but the fact remains- there where kais, grand kais, supreme kais and the one responsible for overseeing universe 6, Shin happened to be amazed at what Goku and Vegeta were capable of SSJ3 just so happened to take that to the 3rd level and could only realistically be achieved by a being that has a lot of time to live in it, so maybe more than 30 minutes. I.e. Goku's heavenly form Saying that it is useless because say Gotenks didn't beat Buu would be like saying Mystic Gohan had a useless transformation. Theoretically he had more power, but was tricked the exact same way. Maybe it's less that SSJ3 is useless, but more that the foes that can go pound for pound are that much more wicked. Which should ring true for the likes of Kid Buu and Beerus, the "destroyer god"

[@superkaras588]

Super sayan 3 is great, but it drains too much stamina ANIMATORS' STAMINA

[@ChiquitaSpeaks]

Lol I could see the animators sounding just like dragon ball characters in this… “My.. sta-min-ugghh“

[@Imme342]

😂😂😂😂

[@cygnusprime6728]

Imagine having to comb and wash that much hair everyday.

[@ashtongreen5494]

@@cygnusprime6728 and then also helping rehabilitate Goku after using the form bc of how much it drains him, no senzu beans in this world, I really have to give credit to the animators here for keeping our hero safe

[@BladeSerph]

To sum it up: it’s literally what super saiyan was originally: -A form that was terribly inefficient but if training was done to actually perfect it, would of been possible to have it constantly up to the point it’s just a natural form. It’s just the writer decided to do an aragaki forget and not have that happen again, despite in super they bust out these forms so rapidly and can arse pull them out even when supposedly drained. While at the same time seem to forget about the previous forms or even base form altogether at times which would likely be better to train that then constantly rely on a form that multiplies the power level. Basically good base form means transformations would hit harder. Anyway boredom rant done, toodles.

[@MrMetalhorse]

The real reason why it's useless: "f**k you dude, too much hair to animate. Let's just say it uses too much stamina or something"

[@arandomanimefan3122]

😂true

[@Alienldr]

Its the same thing for fusion. If there was no drawback, there'd be no tension and the arc will end early

[@theendersmirk5851]

Honestly, considering Toriyama originally created Super Saiyan to save money on inking Goku's hair, and had Goku's tail removed because he didn't want to have to keep drawing it, accurate.

[@joshjones9749]

@@theendersmirk5851 Toriyama's ability to spin laziness into decent story points is something to be commended lol

[@trentbell8276]

Technically, it's not a lie. It does consume too much stamina from the people who have to draw it.

[@vizualwarrior129]

They saw that form and said “yeah I ain’t drawin allat” 🤣

[@GlodelaniaChannel]

SSJ3 is the Minecraft gold armour of Dragon Ball. It doesn't last long.

[@Randomlolstudios]

I’d say it’s more of gold tools, strong as hell but no lasting power.

[@whataweirdnickname3509]

Nice comparaison.

[@Lesongoku]

​@@Randomlolstudiosexcept there is stronger forms than ssj3

[@JodaroKujo]

😂

[@bastilashan2627]

Neither do I

[@kingtbk9620]

The reason SSJ3 didn't work is cause It not only drained goku's stamina but its drained Toriyama's too

[@projectiony4048]

Toriyama: Getting tired of drawing all this damn hair man

[@phantom_mist1726]

The real reason it's useless 😂😂😂

[@morbster6520]

And only to see it get beaten by other Goku transformation with less details.

[@Kirabetas]

Not even the first time. SSJ as a whole was designed not just as a transformation, but to make it so Toriyama and Co. wouldn't have to ink in saiyan hair anymore.

[@bluemaverick007]

Im shocked he even did something as wild as this, considering the only reason to cut the tail was so he didn't had to worry about it during drawing lol

[@Dolmio24]

I like to view it as a form that's never been perfected.

[@Phily_King]

Agreed👍 👍 it drains energy⚡ ⚡because he hasn't mastered it yet

[@hurdyb1]

Love it!

[@atari9477]

So then its a waste of time anyway cus he has god ki now

[@chaosdragon4236]

@@atari9477 god ki drains a large amount of energy as well just not as quickly as SSJ3

[@TheSCPStudio]

It’s not a form though. It’s the same form as SSJ 1 and 2, just pushed further. That’s why it takes so much stamina. It can’t be ‘perfected’ because it’s inherently going to use so much power regardless.

[@VoF92Rec]

He said in the show that he purposely let fat Buu live so Gohan, Trunks, and Goten could have a chance to fight him. SSJ3 Goku was also holding his own against kid Buu while SSJ2 Vegeta was getting his ass beat. Him losing to Beerus doesn't make the form useless when Beerus is the god of destruction. The only flaw was Goku not being able to maintain the form as long as SSJ2

[@tylergarrison4464]

Totally agreed bud u hit it spot on. I think Its only cuz he came back from the dead is why he drained him so much at first and it wasn't fully mastered. Because like you said he held his own against kid Buu which NO ONE DID even against majin Buu who was slightly weaker and believe it or not less destructive(kid Buu just didn't give a f***) lol. And the conversation with picolo I literally just watched 5 min ago so funny lol. So you are right about that too piccolo asked him if he could have beaten majin Buu. The only thing would have to be imo is a way for him to use his SSJ3 power to completely vaporize him so he can't regenerate hence why he resorted to spirit bomb

[@Baburun-Sama]

Goku has Had Enough of Beerus' Shenanigans, and then Awakens SSJ3NK (SSJ3 And Knuckles) with the Presence of the what's-known "Chaos Emeralds".

[@blissoftheoasis6326]

Goku admitted later that he wasn't sure he'd win if he gave his all against Fat Buu due to Buu's strength. According to him, Majin Buu was too strong

[@keyuke06]

It’s not like it’s important or anything, but Goku was getting waxed by Kid Buu. They exchanged blows, and he fared way better than Vegeta did, but Kid Buu didn’t lose any energy or sustain serious damage throughout that entire fight. He was really just messing around until Goku ran out of energy. Was it not for the wish on the dragon balls to restore his energy, and Vegeta running interference so he could charge his spirit bomb than Kid Buu would’ve won with 0 difficulty.

[@tylergarrison4464]

@@keyuke06 while I do agree no one would have beat kid Buu without the spirit bomb but in perspective of who held their own the most out of the group it was Goku. But u right kid Buu wasn't getting much damage at all but at least Goku was able to keep up a lil while others got beaten by the weaker versions. All in all no one could've beat kid Buu straight up one on one though

[@Silver_Talker]

Let me also clarify something: Goku bought time for the earth against fat Buu. However he did state he could have WON that fight HAD HE GONE ALL OUT but he wanted to teach the boys fusion to defeat Buu instead so they could save the earth. Goku wanted someone else to defend earth because he was dead. Also Super Saiyan 3 Goku AGAIN states during the fight with Kid Buu he ONCE AGAIN could have WON but he drew it out so Vegeta could have a chance to fight because Goku didn't wanna damage his pride. Two of the dumbest moments for Goku easily. If you want wins for the Super Saiyan 3 transformation: we have the movies for that. Your welcome.

[@voxxi7598]

People don't take Vegito vs Buu as a W even when he was totally able to end the fight, so it's the same for SSJ3 Also, he already said except movies in the end and those are about Toei, not Akira Toriyama

[@giganticimpact8941]

I love how SS3 was just so visually straightforward and unga bunga, more screaming, more hair, more lightning!

[@beanshounen]

Unga bunga is the perfect way to describe SS3 LMAO

[@SpearAndMagicHelmetYT]

AND MORE COWBELL

[@technolus5742]

Straightforward? It's the most visually different transformation apart from great ape and ssj4.

[@giganticimpact8941]

@@technolus5742 Ss4 loses all of the ss visuals. Ss3 tho makes it clear that it's ss2 but more without explaining a new energy mechanic like ss4 and ssb. I don't count great ape since it's not ss.

[@MrDjordje25]

It did help break free from the hyperbolic time chamber

[@antoniomartinez4737]

The real reason Toriyama: GUYS WE MUST FIND A WAY TO THIS GUY STOP USING THIS FORM QUICK

[@Kebab_2718]

😂😂😂

[@gbdornls]

Just like the tail situation, Toriyama decides to make a design choice just to scrap it later because its a hassle to draw.

[@demon_hawkeye5269]

That's the out of universe reason, the in universe reason is that it drains massive amounts of ki which I view as a sound reason that stops it from being just the same as 1 or 2 as it has major drawbacks.

[@Hub71995]

That kinda hair not meant for a fighter fr anyway

[@robertwolfgan]

I remember reading about fans asking Toriyama about this and he confirmed that *Goku was more than capable of obliterating Fat Buu and ending things there,* but that wasn't his aim. Ever since the fight with Cell ended he told his wishes for letting others have the baton and be able to deal with Earth's future issues and enemies, since he can't be coming back and cleaning up things forever. The first time he showed us SS3 he was still on this mindset, and it's exactly why he decided to teach Goten and Trunks instead of just ending Buu himself and going back without anyone "going even further beyond" aside from him.

[@ssj5_edits840]

I mean it worked on buu still so props to goku who the hell knew that buu was able to absorb people back then

[@pokerus1359]

I think ssj3 could actually be an INSANE tranformation if handled right. Ssj3 is the highest super saiyan form a saiyan can achieve without god ki or being a mutant (like broly or kale) so there has to be something that might set it apart from other forms, and I like to think it would be pretty cool to find out it has some hidden power, if we ever see a mastered form.

[@gandalftheantlion]

Yeah, considering the transformation alone was felt from basically the afterlife… I felt like Toriyama basically shafted the transformation just because of the hair and drawing it every time was too much. Like super saiyan blue is just super saiyan but blue.

[@paulbarry7760]

Super sayain 3 with god Kai. ​@@gandalftheantlion

[@ssj5_edits840]

Thats litarly exactly what happened in dragon ball gt goku masters the ssj ssj2 and ssj3 in end of z completely removes the disadvantage of him losing stamina while having a tail akira toriyama stopped drawing it though because it was hard for him without toei animation who drew it like all the time after introducing it

[@doodtheman2508]

Super Saiyan 3 is like when you shit _really hard_ and give yourself a hemorrhoid

[@KidArez]

A "hairmorrhoid"? TEE-HEE.

[@Facade953]

PTSD intensifies!😳

[@gatovoker7069]

That's a thing? 😂

[@berteabdel7722]

​@@gatovoker7069 that's one cause of hemorrhoids, which gets worse with age

[@ALJ9000]

Or a fission

[@georgerodriguez6294]

I would argue that super Saipan 3 is a useful form however grueling times goku used it in battle he wasted it. He didn’t go all out against fat buu because he was only trying to buy time so the kids could learn to be earths protectors. He didn’t go all out against kid buu because he wanted to let vegeta have a turn at fighting him. And he didn’t even use it on vegeta because he didn’t want to hurt his pride. BUT had he used it to end the fights quickly he very well might have prevented the entire buu arc

[@oxymrn7038]

If he used it on Vegeta, Buu would have awakened even faster and he would waste the rest of his time on earth. He knew it wasn't worth it. And with Kid Buu he wasn't trying to let Vegeta have a turn it was because the form is not that great when Goku is alive because it drains a lot more energy than when he's dead, which in his defense he couldn't have known. I'll give you the fight vs Fat Buu though he wasn't being too smart there.

[@gokublack8342]

@Oxymrn Goku would have 2 or 3 hit vegeta at the most so Vegeta wouldn't have been able to do any damage to Goku but on the other hand Gokus time drains faster and if Buu does awaken Goku doesn't have enough time to fight him. If Vegeta hadn't been so stubborn him and Vegeta could have beaten Fat Buu and went back to their fight (there's a what if in Tenkaichi 3 where Kaioshin let's Vegeta and Goku fight on his planet (so there fight so Goku can fight without worrying about time) as thanks for helping him

[@kartikeysingh1429]

Dude if he go into Kakarot mode in ssj3 he'll demolish anyone in DBZ he always held back

[@nomercy1041]

Trueee factsss 😤😤😤💯💯💯💯💯😮‍💨😮‍💨😮‍💨 bro stop giving truth , chumps can't handle the truth u know already, mama boi's 🎖️☕

[@yeetnessthegreater1298]

@@oxymrn7038 if he used it on Vegeta Goku would’ve teleported to buu and one shot him. It’s a no brained kid

[@MVXXll]

Super dee duperty duper saiyan can't be useless. It is too badass

[@bautistahernandezfernandoa85]

I don't care how useless and underused it is, it will ALWAYS be the coolest looking and most badass transformation in all of dragon ball.

[@ryuzaki602]

SSJ3 is a form meant for finishing a fight, but Goku likes fights to last.

[@borigo7791]

good point

[@fe9335]

Yes, i agree with you. Also if anyone here watched Dragon Ball Multiverse and have seen the episode where Vegeta fights cell, they would all see a good way to utilize this form properly!

[@1BuFo]

Meant for finishing fights'' yet he never wins or finishes with the form. Doesn't add up lol

[@kubikim]

​@@1BuFo read my comment, i explain it.

[@118andrey]

Exactly

[@theharaldrsaga]

The form wasn't mean to win. It was to show that this arc would be different from the last two. A new transformation wasn't going to be enough to win. It's a storytelling device.

[@King-mg7vy]

Says you. It's a useless form, End Period. ALL the forms are "story telling devices" I hate it when Dragonball fanboys try to sound smart.

[@theharaldrsaga]

@@King-mg7vy Wow, you might be least intelligent person on the internet 😆. "Power level not big. Form not good." Branch out and read more stories. You might learn something if you increase your reading comprehension.

[@jefferythibodeaux5573]

To make the arc different? At one point buu is just absorbing everyone like cell, granted cell had the intelligence to make a game out of earth

[@ggadams639]

people don't understand the choices that make a better story. Yes there is some plot devices but in Dragon Ball it always been for the better

[@littlemoth4956]

@@jefferythibodeaux5573 What's your point? Too plot points being similar doesn't mean an unrelated plot point wasn't different 🤨 average youtube commenter iq

[@Voxemblem]

He did take a W after defeating Hirudegarn in the movie

[@NothingnessforZ]

Yes, the non-canon movie.

[@Ichiyama22]

To be fair, Hirudegarn seems like an example of the only way to really properly use SSJ3, as a last ditch effort to finish the fight in a single overpowered blow. Any fight that can't be insta-win'd really has no need for the form.

[@jico5147]

i feel the same way but mainly about how it’s huge flaw is how draining it is.

[@rohaparker-es9ho]

If Raditz became SSJ3 imagine what his hair would have looked like

[@diegoantoniofrias9309]

It happen in DB Heroes and it's just his normal hair but gold and with no eyebrows

[@MMonkeyMannn]

Raditz going super saiyan, one not three, if he went super saiyan, would his hair stand up or just get longer? If it stood up imagine how awkward it be keeping his balance

[@shai5651]

Ever seen Hunter x Hunter?

[@goldenskhull]

​@@MMonkeyMannnActually he was right. Ep 42. he has no eye brows. Turles was the one who went super saiyan but he had his hair grown out just like raditz. Even though a saiyan's hair should change since the day they are born...

[@Neshabean]

​@@goldenskhullhe was talking about ssj (1) not ssj3

[@Animedumptruck]

Goku was beating TF out of Fat Buu. He threw the fight so goten and Trunks could get a chance.

[@amadorcortinas2749]

True but he couldn't one shot him

[@narkay25]

No form has ever one shotted anyone.

[@aaronpasache1847]

well the transformation consumed his lifetime in earth when he was dead

[@Haaton-of-the-Basement]

​@@narkay25 SSJ2 Teen Gohan vs Cells jr

[@amadorcortinas2749]

@@narkay25 Gohan at SSJ2 one shotted most of the Cell Jr's but he could have easily beat all of them in one shot he might of even been able to one shot Cell if he wasn't messing around and he one shotted Bojack and his crew!

[@demi-femme4821]

Toriyama really just panicked and massively nerfed SSJ3 out of nowhere in order to justify the Spirit Bomb ending.

[@NanobanaKinako]

SSJ3 is like the gold armour from Minecraft. It looks cool but not reliable.

[@gamemasterinfinity5056]

Ssj3 with a bag of sensu beans is a extreme training idea

[@dekudeku5520]

based

[@anicecreamsandwichenjoyer372]

You know what? I wonder what would happen if Goku trained ultra instinct with ssj3?

[@davidmaddy8382]

@@anicecreamsandwichenjoyer372 it would be like what he was doing in the manga when he was using UI in base, ssj, ssjg and ssjb but just that it will take a lot more ki

[@selawat5535]

I try to figure out

[@beeeazy9818]

The anime also talks about how SS3 takes too much energy to use vs its power output

[@ssj2camaro21]

You understand it incorrectly. That makes no sense

[@ssj2camaro21]

Ita power output is great, far superior to ssj2. But goku said he hadn't had much time to master it because he was dead. Also when he was dead it didn't take his stamina away as much

[@ink404maus8]

SSJ3 is powerful, I give ya that but the amount of energy drained is outrageous. Would've been nice to see Goku master it and see Vegeta obtain it.

[@nkesichioma1488]

Atleast it's not a useless recolour like super Saiyan blue

[@quickhallsshow576]

Bro if ssj 3 didn't drain any stamina, bro would've OBLITERATED kid buu and would've destroyed caulifa and kale with ssj 3 until kefla

[@indianamedic5464]

Still my favorite transformation. I can still picture myself nearly pissing my pants in excitement watching this when it aired when I was like 11. So much nostalgia!

[@beanshounen]

The episode where it first gets unveiled is so hype. That transformation sequence is legendary

[@Freetimegamingandstuffs]

same.. trying to remember that feel gave me goose bumps just now. looks like a badass killing machine

[@ssjshivam]

Yeah me too gave me chills when I watched the first ssj3 transformation

[@morbster6520]

Only to see it get beaten by ssg whos design is just base goku with red hair. And now there r even more undetailed transformations stronger than ss3. Ss3 was cool back then but just seems so wasted

[@kevinkaminski5748]

Yea the first one was the best when it first aired for sure. AND THIS…IS TO GO EVEN FURTHER BEYOND!! HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!! 🥹🥹🥹😬💀

[@MeticGabee]

Super saiyan 3 is the middle child of the super saiyan family.

[@pimpinjt123]

I think it just didnt get enough time to be useful, but its not useless. Give the form to Broly. Let him train with it, and he'll be even more of a beast than he is now. I think thats the best way to utilize this form now.

[@TheCrimsonSucker]

I like that idea

[@TheCrimsonSucker]

Could even say some bs like since broly has such an ungodly amount of ki that its perfect for someone like him

[@superblue-Bc6re]

Ss2 first.

[@Mythony69]

give it to anyone who’ll put in the effort to perfect it. disappointed as fuck Goku didn’t master the form between Buu and Beerus.

[@gendygoblin8391]

I feel like once it was introduced the writers considered that a new transformation being the win card for every arc would understandably get repetitive so when the Buu saga arrived they introduced the form and how tough it was but didn’t want it as a crutch for the resolution. Plus they sort of relied on Super Sayan once it was unlocked so they key was to make the plot compelling without just getting surface level stronger. They would ignore that again and introduce the God form and all that stuff.

[@tenzobanz1953]

Akira San made ss3 to be a pseudo warning with that form: “power is not everything.” If Goku was more strategic with ss3 it would be a different story.

[@justinarzola4584]

It's still useless because Goku let buu live so that Gotenks could take him and then Gotenks was just playing around,we don't really see Goku and Gotenks lose stamina, it was a plot device to have a limit for it than anything else really.

[@tenzobanz1953]

@@justinarzola4584 again, “power isn’t everything” if you remember, the first time we see ss2 kid Gohan, he was reckless with that power until Goku had to step in and sacrifice himself. I think this is the same thing that happens with ss3 forms just at a higher lvl. I wouldn’t say it’s a useless form becuz we see in one DBZ movie it had a use, Goku killed a giant bug demon with that form so I think it really comes down to enemy type and how the form is being USED in that moment. But to completely say it’s useless but it’s still being used in canon material is hypocritical of the writers. I feel where you’re coming from dude but I don’t think it’s necessarily useless, I’d say they haven’t found a USE for that form. DB hasn’t had a “plot device reason” to use any of these forms. SSBlue imo is useless cuz it’s just a reskin of ss1 and SSG(red) is just Kaioken on steroids. UI is the most unique forms compared. I’d like them to utilize UI, SS3 and 4 forms that would’ve been better imo

[@worthyedge9307]

​@@tenzobanz1953 ehhh I wouldn't really count its use in a movie Because while it did have use in the movie you're talking about, that movie was non canon, and someone only going through canon material won't even see that

[@tenzobanz1953]

@@worthyedge9307 you make a fair point, at the time tho(during the 90s) most folks saw it as canonical. Still tho, I think SS3 isn’t being utilized the way it could be, it’s a powerful form that nerfs itself. Leading back to my earlier point I think the author was tryna make, “power isn’t everything” and that’s what I love most abt og dbz, transforming doesn’t always mean kick ass, just like Trunks’ in his broly form against cell, if any form is useless it’s that one lol atleast with SS3, it does some damage to enemies. SS2/3 are more alike cuz they essentially play too much if they don’t know how to control the forms. That’s gokus and gotenks issue, no proper training for the form unlike 1&2 has. Which puts SS3 at a disadvantage

[@laststrike4411]

"Power is not everything" We know that. Making an entirely new transformation just to get across that message is redundant. Furthermore, it makes Goku look stupid for falling for a trap he was wise enough to steer clear of just one arc ago.

[@ep1596]

The main reason that's it's "useless" is that it drains your ki and that's one of the reasons why he loses. His ki is the reason of his w record being so low.

[@tatohayanami9156]

That's right. The Beerus fact is irrilevant since it wasn't as powerful as Beerus anyway

[@FaDeDJ0keRtm]

That really only matters if the opponent is stronger than you. Majority of the times it was used the USER wasted it. Goku used it to stall fat Buu, we don't know if it necessarily made him stronger, fat Buu is just too playful and only got serious to fight kid Buu for hurting Hercule AFTER they split. Before hand Goku and kid Buu were more or less even with Kid Buu having some what of a slight advantage. Gotenks is also too playful and Super Buu took advantage of that. The only fight it won against was Trunks and Goku did that just to show Trunks he unlocked another form.

[@MrVariant]

Ssb is useless too.

[@TheLimpbizpark]

Yeah like in dbz kakarot ss3 consumes ki really fast. I personally stick with ss2 because it looks cooler doesn't drain as much and you can upgrade ss2 to make it stronger

[@MrVariant]

@TheLimpbizpark oh sure ssb is respectful there fighting hordes and a smaller drain. I do like God Kamehameha charging though. Ssj3 dragon fist can decimate stuff but yeah definitely revert like kaioken's hp drain if you're losing.

[@jaredjoseph1606]

Let’s just forget Goku saying he could’ve beaten Fat Buu but held back

[@gamersquashyt]

"I wouldn't even call it my least favorite" My man's throwin' shade on blue yall

[@gamersquashyt]

God bless you all

[@Gunbladewarrior]

It's only useless because they didn't feel like drawing the hair all the time.

[@G70RYB0Y]

Nah it’s trash

[@zacharysnyder5820]

it was awesome to see air live back in the day. That scene of Sean belting his lungs at for like 90 seconds and seeing a transformation that was different was iconic, it was like seeing goku turn super sayian on namek all over again

[@FellOff]

Crazy I’m literally on that episode while reading this lol

[@aprilsandrinoretanan9089]

😂when he said fat bu got me dying

[@aprilsandrinoretanan9089]

Yay 1 like

[@josephcassara9085]

Well as far as the original manga goes it was what seperated Goku against Majin Buu for the longest time when nothing else was working. The entire thing about it was that no one else could achieve it on their own because it was achieved in the afterlife, where you can't ovrrtrain and therefore can continuously apply the same effort without fatigue. It being virtually impossible to achieve is why I would have liked the show to cap off power at around SS3 and Majin Buu which was already above the highest form of life at the time which was the Kaioshins.

[@AmazingSpider-Man]

The design is sick af. But yes, it's actually become counterproductive. It drains your energy much faster than any other transformation, even the ones that are much stronger than it (super saiyan red and blue).

[@jaoofy]

What is super saiyan red? You mean super saiyan god?

[@AmazingSpider-Man]

@@jaoofy yes

[@jamelldevans9326]

Too much hair and body hair for the editors they just made it Red and Blue.

[@EaSyMoNeY277]

It may not be the most useful transformation, but gat DAMN that transformation scene from the anime was HEAT

[@The_batman_mma]

I hope I'm not too late 🗿 To set my demons straight 🗿 I know I made you wait 🗿 But how much can you take 🗿 I hope you see the god in me 🗿 I hope you can see🗿 And if it's up stay down for me🗿 Shimmy Shimmy Coco Puff🗿 Serafina flame in us🗿 Where'd I be without your love🗿 Rest your wings and trust I feel you🗿 Deep 🗿 Deep 🗿 Deep 🗿 Deep 🗿 Deep 🗿 Deep 🗿

[@justCommando]

The only stamina it drains is the animators patience to draw it

[@jk_46]

Ssj3 got Bruce faulconer to make a song for it and that song is what made ssj3 epic to me. The transformation gives me chills every time!

[@LuxuryLeet]

yes precisely, everytime I see ssj3 I can only think of that guitar

[@Isme_DaZee..]

Our despises on Super Saiyan 3 is going further beyond.

[@philliparnesen4493]

While Vegeta was obsessing about SSJ3, Goku even had a conversation with, I believe Gohan, where he explained that he wouldn't be using SSJ3 anymore. It took to much stamina, damaged the body, and just couldn't perform as consistently as an optimized SSJ2.

[@Kira_Official_]

Vegeta was never obsessed with SSJ3. Also, you're mistaking SSJ3 with SSJ Grade 3. Grade 1 is a newly awakened Super Saiyan (so Goku on Namek), Grade 2 is like when Vegeta went Super Vegeta against Cell, and Grade 3 is like when Trunks fought against Perfect Cell. Goku explained to Gohan that the big muscles would slow him down and it used too much energy. That's when he proposes the idea of staying in Super Saiyan all the time until it became natural to them. Which is considered a Mastered Super Saiyan.

[@philliparnesen4493]

@@Kira_Official_ ...Everything you said is right except the first part. Vegeta absolutely was obsessed with SSJ3.

[@Nahan_Boker94]

And If Im not wrong SSJ3 work better when hes a spirit than real living body.

[@nathanielnanas5026]

Vegeta: THATS WHAT IM SAYING I started a war in the comments

[@Rawxnama98]

You know he can turn into Super Saiyan 3 he just don’t want to not because he can go ssgss is because he see how useless Super Saiyan 3 is

[@vjiriu4413]

@@Rawxnama98 well at the time vegeta in DBZ couldn’t go super SS3

[@Rawxnama98]

@@vjiriu4413 at the time now he can at super he already achieved it. He just don’t like it

[@vjiriu4413]

@@Rawxnama98 yea we all know that but they’re about DBZ not super and in dbz vegeta couldn’t go ss3

[@Rawxnama98]

@@vjiriu4413 oh I know that part

[@biggiecheese7309]

Goku admitted that he could of finished fat but if he wanted when he first transformed but he also didn’t think it was his job to do being a dead guy

[@noxiouskunk7069]

2 of the most important battles won as a Super Saiyan 2 was Kid Gohan vs Perfect Cell and Goku vs Kid Majin Buu with that Spirit Bomb!

[@beast_gohan._.69]

"Ssj3 is a useless transformation" Last words of him until he was killed by raiyuden

[@557deadpool]

you mean in the non-canon movie where it didn't even make sense?

[@Dani4You-mw9md]

Ssj3 would be really good if he actually used it a lot and mastered it, but he cant really train with ssj3 because it takes so long to power up and it drains a lot of stamina. (this was a guess, clarification would be nice.)

[@Swiftalarm_]

If Goku mastered super saiyan 3 and learned how to manage his energy in the form it would probably be one of, if not the strongest form he has that isn’t ultra instinct . He could get it near SSJ blue if he mastered it and imagine how strong it could be if he learned how to use Kaio-Ken in SSJ3.

[@gabrielcavalcante7732]

I think the real reason is that the transformation was created to be used in the Otherworld, where he could waste energy without worry. And because when Goku went to Earth they had several other reasons for not using the transformation to the fullest (Vegeta's pride for example)

[@DaGamingCore]

I really wish we had an arc inbetween Buu and Beerus where Goku mastered SSJ3 while alive.

[@javelinxd]

Goku said he could beat buu but he wanted the gotenks and trunks to have their time.

[@AndresD.deLeon]

Even in Xenoverse 2, SS3 has so many drawbacks to it, like severely reduced stamina regeneration, which is crucial for staying active in a fight. I only go up to SS2 for fights, since it's better to keep myself from gassing out before the fight is over

[@nxj2183]

If I remember correctly, Goku had said that saiyan's require every "bit" of saiyan within them to access the said form. I bet the reason that Super Saiyan 3 couldn't be used to its fullest was that they didn't have their tail, which sounds absurd, but Raditz, Nappa and/or Vegeta had criticized Goku for removing his tail, for it was necessary for a saiyan's full power. It kind of makes sense.

[@Random-bv2xk]

u r actually spot on, i don't know if u watched gt or not but when goku turned into a kid he got his tail back, then after transforming he had better mastery wtih all ssj forms especially ssj3 the tail fixed it's stm/ki drain issu.

[@willkershisnik5893]

They addressed this in GT and it wasn’t honestly a good additin

[@XxMasterxX-1-atk-1-def]

probably but not only because that, because there's no character who unlocked ssj3 in earth so its hard to get used to that form in another planet, i have a text explaining that super saiyan 3 is not useless, it's useless because literally nobody got it in the earth as it, every character who got super saiyan 3 got it in another dimension, or world, goku unlocked ssj3 in the another world, where the gravity and the training freedoom is more big and stronger, and it makes some stuff easy than in the earth, and gotenks literally got it in another dimension, in the hyperbolic time chamber, as kami-sama said, hyperbolic time chamber is another dimension that transports you to an dimension where the years happens more faster than in the earth, that's what it makes it so hard to control, because there's no character that unlocked ssj3 in earth, that's why it hard to get used to, because the earth gravity and train freedoom is so different to the hyperbolic time chamber and to the other world, this video literally shows the little you know of dragon ball, because it's false, it's literally like saying 'ssj2 is bad', 'it just had 2 wins and that's not much' please beanshounen, think a little bfre posting videos like that

[@theg6549]

It's got a badass, godlike theme and is honestly the best ssj theme song. I really it's design. But where are his eyebrows?🤣

[@Confused_rat]

The reason ssj3 removes eyebrows is because it has a lot of relation with the oozaru form of saiyans

[@jojokutaro3316]

He used the eyebrows to add more hair

[@dean0o0o]

Theme song is good ngl

[@specialnewb9821]

I was disappointed Vegeta didn't reference this when Goku commented on his lack of eyebrows in UE. ("You say something Mr SSJ3?")

[@Confused_rat]

@@specialnewb9821 lowkey same

[@jlogan2228]

I know a big reason is pribably having to draw all that hair was a pain in the ass so they mived onto another form, but id love a "mastered" version of this form where maybe the hair is only shoulder legnth and you keep the browless design and what sets it apart from UI or UE or SSB is that you get a DRASTIC increase in power but only for a short period of time so you have to make it count and the mastery is you can use it in those short bursts without fully exhausting yourself

[@casuallectures2655]

*Cell Saga Goku:* The bulky SSJ forms Vegeta and Trunks use are inefficient with energy, in exchange for power, so we shouldn't ever use it, Gohan *Buu Saga Goku:* Let's go gambling! (Loses stamina after 5 minutes) Aw, dangit!

[@leonardoyramm1856]

The first time I saw this transformation, I was amazed by how Goku looked. That pose is incredibly spectacular in my opinion and it's (so far) my favorite transformation. But I have to agree with you that the SSJ3 hasn't had the greatest moments (which is sad)

[@architraj8949]

I don't know imagine how strong it could have been if Goku mastered it like he masters ssj and ssj2

[@leonardoyramm1856]

@@architraj8949 I know right!!! 🤯👍🏼

[@hovinmatteo2085]

This is why Vegeta skipped super Sayain 3

[@diocletian607]

Lol

[@NotSads0]

He would've had it if it weren't for ssjg

[@anyetsi8817]

Vegeta didn't skip😂😂 he just couldn't do it

[@Kidd605]

Thats why raditz never came back or been mentioned but they always do flashbacks with vegeta tho

[@goldbuggaming5513]

Even with its drawbacks i am extremely bias to this form growing up cause it has some of the hippest scene and my childhood self loved it so much i bought alot of figures of it also it looks awesome

[@mrszczurek]

Wrath of the Dragon movie though. Goku went for a quick decisive fight and the form did a wonderful job

[@SpeezyOTB]

Ss3 I think was meant to handle things quickly. Ss 2 meant to be the most powered up version with no drawbacks. ss or grade 4 was meant to be the most power efficient. Grade 3 was meant to maximize strength. Grade 2 my my opinion was a precursor to what SS2 would become. I think every form of Super Saiyan serves a different purpose in battle and instead of being just purely a power increase, there should be different advantages to different forms, even older ones.

[@borigo7791]

That's a nice theory that should have been better put forwarf throughout the show with goku not using ssj/ssb by default each time. Even against kale and caulifla, he seems to use them gradually to keep up with the opponents strength without changing its strategy.

[@unintelligent_strut3048]

SSJ3 is my absolute favorite. I think it looks awesome, aside from the no eyebrows 😅 The form just dumps Ki like a waterfall and so draining to use.

[@igov1152]

it's useless but you can't deny how amazing it is

[@robertotesini2077]

Goku in the manga said that he could have beaten fat buu, but he wanted Goten and Trunks to do it

[@kalengamer]

Ssj3 did what it was supposed to by fighting fat buu and letting trunks get the dragon radar and also he was able to go toe to toe with kid buu with it. He would have probably been killed agian if he hadn’t had it.

[@richardsmall8940]

Ss2 vegeta couldn't even beat Majin buu....and ss3 did better against kid buu

[@RMrMan]

Ssj3 being the most important transformation in xenoverse:👀

[@juanpagan7944]

Yea it's why we don't see it that often anymore especially with the new forms occasionally when Goten and trunks fuse but that's practically it

[@c.cudder1234]

Wrath of the dragon will always hold a special place in my heart for actually doing justice to the form. My fav forever!

[@merwixofficial4028]

Goku said that he could have beaten buu in SS3 but he wanted the kids to practice to the future

[@marthouismcmiller4787]

He assumed but he assumed wrong the whole arc just like everyone else

[@alexiskrosky6022]

Incorrect I HOPE IM NOT TO LATE 🗣️🗣️ TO SET MY DEMONS STRAIGHT 🗣️🗣️

[@vergil1494]

I hope I’m not too late. To set my demons straight.

[@krzysiek1406]

I love this form and it is the example that not everything needs to be super useful. It is like a motorcycle. 50hp is enough but you want more to feel power and be stronger but in the same time your moto drains more petrol. This form is just scary in a good way 😃

[@veritasome5965]

SS3 is kinda like Frieza’s Golden form when he first learned it, the potential of being very powerful but required proper experience or else it drains you too quickly. I think that’s also a big reason Vegeta never tried to learn it, it was just too limiting.

[@XxMasterxX-1-atk-1-def]

about the first theory is alot of true to me, and the second one is probably also because how hard it is to unlock, here i have a text explaining it super saiyan 3 is not useless, it's useless because literally nobody got it in the earth as it, every character who got super saiyan 3 got it in another dimension, or world, goku unlocked ssj3 in the another world, where the gravity and the training freedoom is more big and stronger, and it makes some stuff easy than in the earth, and gotenks literally got it in another dimension, in the hyperbolic time chamber, as kami-sama said, hyperbolic time chamber is another dimension that transports you to an dimension where the years happens more faster than in the earth, that's what it makes it so hard to control, because there's no character that unlocked ssj3 in earth, that's why it hard to get used to, because the earth gravity and train freedoom is so different to the hyperbolic time chamber and to the other world, this video literally shows the little you know of dragon ball, because it's false, it's literally like saying 'ssj2 is bad', 'it just had 2 wins and that's not much' please beanshounen, think a little bfre posting videos like that

[@-Huh-..]

Goku said he could’ve defeated fat buu without any separation the first time they met, but he wanted to give gohan and the other a chance to have at him

[@CHADFUTUREHAN]

AT LEAST HE'S NOT TOO LATE 🗣🗣‼️‼️

[@carljohnson3686]

The only w he got was wrath of the dragon

[@diegoantoniofrias9309]

And that monster in the One Piece × Toriko × Dragon Ball crossover

[@Discontinued5428]

Bro is like Lost --> useless

[@bradleygilmore5638]

The whole point of the form was to show that the hero’s had essentially hit a wall, or rather ceiling of what they could achieve in terms of power. Juxtapose that against the collaborative techniques that were subsequently introduced: Fusion, Gohans power up via the Old Kai, the Maximum power spirit bomb. These were all collaborative power up’s contrasted with Buus’ coercive absorption power up. Ssj3 was broken on purpose.

[@pruneprune2164]

He said that he could have beaten fat buu if he wanted to but he wanted the kids to beat him.

[@ByrneBaby]

SS3 would have been way cooler than it already is and more justifiable in its L's if Goku took that whole 7 years just to achieve it and it turned out he had to meditate with the Kais in order to reach it. It would explain why his voice is subtle and calm in the form in the anime and it would be a fun play on how hermits who find themselves and meditate let their hair grow way the crap out lmao

[@TotskuyaKurogane]

Goku: SS3 drains too much ki Gotenks: Lol. Skill issue.

[@samakechijowo]

Also the way Toriyama structure his important enemies fight: fight enemy > enemy get stronger > protag get new power ups > still lose > deus ex machina finishing moves (genkidama / father son Kamehameha). The only time a power up is useful in the anime continuity is Goku beating Frieza with SSJ 1.

[@leonkelly2264]

It's not that it's useless, it's way more powerful than ssj2 but underpowered against the enemies that it was used against. It would be something like goku transforming into a ssj1 for the first time trying to fight pre Android absorption Cell. It would do nothing. But ssj3 would pretty much destroy perfect cell with a flick

[@Troublesome_96]

Definitely not underpowered since it was stronger than fat Buu and arguably kid Buu

[@alexzero3736]

Actually it was almost enough to defeat kid Buu

[@Cysco8575]

I like to think SS3 is such an unstable form because is a forced transformation going beyond the limits of what the SS2 is supposed to (and the SS2 seemingly being the true last natural evolution of the base Super Saiyan). Let's take in count that they never revealed how Goku obtained the form in the Other World, we don't know if it has to do with emotional trauma or turmoil like Super Saiyan and SS2 and Gotenks isn't a valid example because he obtained the form out of nowhere. I don't want to mix sources here but in GT was stated that the saiyan tail solved the energy drain problem of the SS3 and that Goku could use the form freely without any loss of stamina wich means that the tail is essential for the form or just balance the power of primitive saiyan transformations. In actual canon Goku is the only user of the SS3 besides Gotenks and after he obtained the god forms the SS3 form became obsolete and underpowered.

[@Mr.Doggo83]

"Erm, Actually, Goku could have beated Fat Buu, but he didn't because he wanted to leave it up to the living" ☝️🤓

[@alekhyadutta7795]

I remember Gotenks in Super Saiyan 3 brutally beated Super buu. But suddenly they lost their ssj3 power

[@chrisjoseph3883]

Honestly… they should’ve made it collect a few wins in the Buu saga because it’s one of the most hyped up transformations ever when goku has the whole speech about his different forms

[@chrisjoseph3883]

But I supposed they also wanted to show off the new fusion technique which didn’t pick up KOs either…… because goku just beats kid buu with the spirit bomb…. Cuz that move actually has a very low kill count (failed to kill vegeta, Frieza, and jiren) despite being the slowest move to charge up and arguably gokus strongest attack allegedly

[@ParadiseDB7]

I think it's important to mention though, that the ONLY reason it's not useful is because Goku simply hasn't mastered it yet. Especially during the Buu Saga he had little experience with using the form. There's no reason Goku couldn't master the form to remove the stamina problem like he did during the Cell Games with regular SS. Trunks showed us this was possible with SS2 and, although some people would rather rip their hair out then acknowledge Heroes, Cumber also showed us this IS in fact possible with SS3. I don't think it's ever going to happen just because there's no point anymore with the god forms, but maybe Goten and Present Trunks can be the ones to do it. Ya know that is if they ever DO anything.

[@Kay_The_Coffee_Weirdo]

No. Even Gotenks couldn't sustain it, and he had mastered it by the time he fought Super Buu; which likely wasn't his actual first time using it. The reason why we know this is because he's already aware of the ki drain the form causes when we first see him use it to break out of the chamber. He knew he wouldn't be able to sustain it indefinitely.

[@ParadiseDB7]

@@Kay_The_Coffee_Weirdo "and he had mastered it by" 🤡

[@obsidianfrost9514]

Goku called the form incomplete he was incapable of mastering it as it was. GT expanded that idea and we got ss4. Main Cano didn't. Ultimately it was to tiring to draw and animate

[@uriel7203]

Goku said in the anime that he could have killed kid Buu, but he wanted to give Vegeta a chance to shine. Goku was just unwise with it when it mattered. Also, Gotanks and all fusion forms, despite being strong enough to finish the job, seem to cause character flaws. They were strong enough to win, but decided to clown around instead.

[@RMLK]

I’ve been saying this for years. SS3 is just a way for them to punish the animators for asking for more food.

[@XioXioli]

Didn't Goku state that he could have defeated both Fat Buu and Kid Buu but he wanted to let Gotenks and Vegeta have a turn?

[@antique6503]

Idc how useless anybody says it is, it’s still an awesome form.

[@tatohayanami9156]

No one objects that, I think

[@ALofiLife]

SSJ3 Theme is incredible though.