Super Saiyan 4 - Exposing The Primal Form

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Super Saiyan 4 is the primal transformation that Goku, Vegeta and Gogeta use in Dragon Ball GT. The form has made appearances in other Dragon Ball media but in this video, I'm going to focus on the controversial history and lore of this mysterious form. Let's dive deep on this grand tour like never before!
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[@SaiyanScholar]

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[@loudermusic]

what made GT special was the VHS era, social media people will never understand that, watch this show without having to wait a week for a new episode to premiere and being like 10 yrs old....

[@BrianAwesome]

All of Funimation's tapes and dvds were like that. Especially Having a choice of Uncut episodes ahead of the Toonami schedule, was top tier 🔥

[@42kBandz]

Best part is whenever some one wants to say sum bs you can pull out the vhs tape and confirm its bs

[@D-Pooly]

Best design ever, the only way to make a transformation look stronger than SSJ3 was to make it look more beastly, they got the assignment right 10/10 I'd like to see something similar for Daima, a redesign to fit the chibby style of the main cast

[@freck2614]

Supreme kai looks cool

[@TenkaichiOG]

GT has always been my favorite, honestly cried when the last episode aired. My childhood literally ended. And still do this day hold it close to my heart, almost 30 years old.

[@kyleray8504]

How much PTO are you using when Sparking Zero drops?

[@skaterboi65]

Ssj4 is way better than the god forms

[@Agenthoneydew33]

Yes it absolutely is

[@PaulSmith-nb6md]

I think people just had to be there. GT was so special and my god that ending is one of the best in anime history. Fight me. This is the best transformation in the series because it was a return to who the saiyans really were. I loce super saiyan, but taking away their tails was something i always hated. It clearly showed them not human. Once it was taken away they really just became really strong humans.

[@BrianAwesome]

Not to mention.. at least in America, there was this underground of wonder/feeling/anticipation on what was going to happen next. In 2003ish all the info I had to go on, was word of mouf.

[@trufreedom]

Yeah and then we saw that legendary pic of SSJ5! Only my imagination could handle that awesomeness.. 😮

[@bobbyweight2170]

I feel like when Vegeta pictures the legendary super saiyan in the frieza saga. It’s the golden Oozaru but he said the legend destroyed itself in its own power and rage. So it’s like goku controlled it and became super saiyan 4 and the saiyan of legend died as super saiyan Oozaru

[@kamenrangerzeo8251]

Super Saiyan 4, the greatest power of Saiyan primal power that is perfect blend of the beast and evolution of the warrior race.

[@Koi_Swirl]

No it isn't. More than 99% of all sayians will never see that power even once. It is just a form you find cool cause it's never been shown to lose that easy. Wanna know why? It was made by a fan of dragon ball and fans always go too far.

[@kamenrangerzeo8251]

@@Koi_Swirl Okay, So you’re saying that Super Saiyan God or Blue or UI, even UE had got a win, an actual win with their divine power, against the opponents they fight from the beginning of super through to Superhero and that it’s easy to obtain than that power than what is apart of their heritage. Which broly had showed during his battle against Goku and vegeta, who got tremendous zenkai boost after the T.O.P., that were in god/blue forms as he easily overpowered both before fusion and before he became super saiyan. Plus both Granolah, Gas and Frieza had gain greater power than the saiyan duo in their Ultra forms, with the latter one shotted both of them in their full potential. While if you look at SS4, they had fought against beings that were just as powerful as them including seven dark godlike dragons and their most powerful one Omega Shenlong and won those victories without divine power and relied on pure martial art teachings and natural power to overcome the odds.

[@fangzgaming5510]

@kamenrangerzeo8251 Hey, does Super Saiyan 4 = Incomplete Super Saiyan Blue? I'm asking because Super Dragons Ball Heroes implied that, and it would make sense, considering how Super Saiyan 4 beat Omega Shenron, who could destroy the universe iirc.

[@fangzgaming5510]

@kamenrangerzeo8251 Also, I say incomplete because Vegeta's is Super Saiyan Blue Evolution, but Goku only has Incomplete/Mastered Super Saiyan Blue, and not the Completed/Evolved state, which iirc, is implied to be the "peak" of SSB

[@kamenrangerzeo8251]

@@fangzgaming5510 if you go by that set idea, then yes. Because even though SDBH is not considered canon to the main series it is a proven fact the both xeno Goku (GT) and Goku (Super) at their peak power ie Blue/SS4 are evenly matched and then when they both went limit breaker SS4 (aka the super saiyan 4 version of UI omen) against UI Omen Goku they were still even before Goku (Super) went MUI to defeat Xeno Goku and that was just barely a win he got before both clasped due to exhaustion.

[@Lord_Dranek]

The reason Vegeta didn't become a Primal Saiyan is because. At the time he was a SSJ he never had a tail and he never used the Oozaru form ever again. That whole "because he didn't have enough training" is bs, Vegeta would've been the fist to transform into Primal Saiyan if he had a tail. Goku's ass-pull tail makes sense, considering he was wished back as a kid before he got the surgery to remove his tail as a teen/adult.

[@humanman9920]

" because he didn't have enough training " pretty translates to the same though . Also , i don't think regular ssj is all one needs for golden ozaru , cuz the multiplier is like ssj3 ozaru , or maybe there could be way weaker golden ozaru with ssj1 x ozaru multiplier if the conditions were met .

[@Lord_Dranek]

@@humanman9920 The requirement for Primal Saiyan is you need to have achieved SSJ or higher, a tail and the last thing is to gain consciousness in Oozaru form. Vegeta had all but a tail, the multiplier is highest form of SSJ you've achieved. Goku had achieved SSJ3 that is why Goku's Golden Oozaru has that multiplier.

[@ZeniV2]

The confusing part for me about this Transformation is Do you still need other Super Saiyan transformations Variants (Ssj1 Ssj2 Ssj3) before achieving this form Cuz the only requirement is transforming to a Golden Oozaru then control it then Boom Super Saiyan 4💀 Like what stopping the other Saiyans of transforming with such minimal requirements

[@SpectreStatus]

It is a different branch from the original Super Saiyan line. No, you don't need SS2 and 3 for 4, just like you don't need them to reach SS Blue. Make sense? And the requirements are more stringent than people realize. Not only does a Saiyan need to have a human heart (that is rare enough), they also need to have pure Saiyan blood, which hybrids do not have. Baby inhibited Vegeta from going SS4, but Baby has the same exact cells as King Tuffle. So evidently when Saiyan blood is diluted it is unable to tap into the full primal power of the Saiyan race. Only Goku and Vegeta qualify to use SS4. Yep, pretty rare indeed!

[@azimuddin1890]

@@SpectreStatus Hmm, I don’t agree that hybrids can’t obtain the form either, Gohan had a tail once, and he transformed into an Oozaru like two times, and another time in the Tree of Might movie. So I think hybrids can become S.S.4.

[@SpectreStatus]

@@azimuddin1890 Well, remember that it was not Golden Oozaru that Baby Vegeta was unable to reach (or other SS forms if you read the GT Perfect Files), it was SS4 that was restricted because of the mixed blood. This would suggest that the same is true for other hybrids, like Gohan or Trunks. Can't prove it, but it seems reasonable.

[@azimuddin1890]

@@SpectreStatus I guess, but that sounds disappointing

[@SpectreStatus]

@@azimuddin1890 I think it's cool myself... There is one other person I can think of who could reach SS4 (theoretically) 🤔, and that's Tarble, but he doesn't meet all the requirements.

[@paulgilbert3139]

For GT, Let me put it like this: 1. Episode 1-20 = Boruto 2. Episode 21-finish = Naruto

[@kasparas147]

@@paulgilbert3139 so I should start watching from ep 21?

[@paulgilbert3139]

@@kasparas147 yes, it doesn't worth it to watch the first 20 eps, you can start directly from the baby saga

[@strawhat9023]

I eventually took Super Saiyan 4 as a True Super Saiyan 2. If Super Saiyan can have grades or sub-variants then we could almost consider any 'yellow' haired transformations as one sub-type then a transformation that also changes the body could just be the actual next 'form'. Back in the the day this was almost backed up by the GT fusion of Goku and Vegeta, their fusion having a new hair color, implying that they were ascended from that, perhaps Super Saiyan 2 grade 1 as they used a lot of power and used up the fusion time( so not mastered, yet )

[@SpectreStatus]

It may be the rarest Super Saiyan form to date. As you said, only Saiyans who have gained a human heart can access it, but also only those who's blood is pure Saiyan. So that excludes hybrids. Only Goku and Vegeta specifically qualify to reach this form. And that means that SS4 Gogeta is more rare than Zen-Oh!

[@AquaVR-746]

X10 KAMEHAMEHAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[@dvincentpassarettijr]

Ever since Super Hero came out, I was liking an idea that others probably came up with about Gohan. He used the ultimate or mystic powers to transform into beast gohan. As we all know. What if he was able to use that form with his saiyan power to become Super Saiyan 4.

[@gameslayer420]

Personally I always thought the name super Saiyan 4 was always weird, should be super Saiyan ozaru or something 😅

[@mr-saiya-jin]

I never saw the form as controversial before (aside from the usual power-scaling debates). However, now that I watched the video, I can see why it’d seem that way. Conceptually, Super Saiyan 4 is a fascinating realm of power that opens a gateway of possibilities and applications. However, as you said, it came out of nowhere, which isn't inherently bad, but it left questions we’d never get answers to. It wasn't explained that well - a fault I won’t dismiss. The build-up toward it seemed non-existent, now that I think about it. Even so, it did seem fitting, given the circumstances of its requirement. DragonBall is known for its transformations, after all. Even if it seems poorly explained, it somehow works in some cases. However, I’ll digress as I don't know what else to say that you already addressed. This video was great, and I will watch the second part once it’s released. Keep it up, Saiyan Scholar.

[@azimuddin1890]

I think the name I came up with, Primal Super Saiyajin fits more because it’s so different than the previous golden hair forms, but 4 still makes sense and makes the form feel more powerful, and making it so different also shows that.

[@black2785]

I always wondered if Elder Kai and Guru unlocked every ounce of power on SS4 Goku plus the Kaioken if it would be near Limit Breaker level power

[@ChronoXShadow]

The way I see it, SS4's insane power increase is because it's a multiplier of your max power level, not your base. Take SS3 Kid Goku, and multiply his power by 10. That gets you Golden Oozaru, and when they can control that power they get SS4. Also, while it's just my headcanon, I love how it was hinted Goku killed Grandpa Gohan when he transformed into an Oozaru, and Goku finally being able to control that form brings Dragon Ball full circle. That's a chef's kiss usage of Chekhov's Smoking Gun.

[@toxicsaiyan7109]

It would be multiplied by 10 and 50 because it's stacking ssj and Oozaru. ssj is a 50 times multiplier and Oozaru is 10 times multiplier like you stated, so both would be stacked on top of their max which makes sense because potara fusion takes the max power of both People's highest forms fuses them the multiplies it specifically dozens of times.

[@TenkaichiOG]

Sponsorship mentioning SZ✅ Talking about GT & SSJ4 ✅ 🛐🛐🛐

[@takeruneverborn4740]

I dont know how to feel about the title of this video this is one of my most favored forms a unique and powerful form rhe pinnicale of Saiyans and their Biology

[@kirillheroes98]

SS4 is 2nd best SS form after SSFP because both forms are more than mere limit breaks like other forms. And yea, God Ki is poorly written, so i dont count DBS

[@Espurr.8]

Super Saiyan 4 sure is interesting

[@rabbitcorp.103]

U forgot to say it like this, Super Saiyan GD 4

[@omegahtv6779]

Another great video SS!👍🏿👍🏿

[@power279]

SUPER SAIYAN 4 IS HIM. FXK URE CRAYON COLOUR SUPER SAIYAN GOD S#'+

[@cashmoney8339]

All I got to say everyone said gT sucked because became a kid, but diama does it and it’s the greatest thing dragon ball did…..

[@baxtertribe9825]

Ssj4 can be in super, best way to integrate is preparing for next tournament Goku and vegeta has whis bring broly to train, broly in legendary ssj form going toe and toe with ultra ego and instinc gets uppercutted looks at moon and boom golden oozuro broly being ssj4 keeps that legendary status and serves us fans 💪🏾

[@azimuddin1890]

I disagree cause S.S.4 works in G.T, due to the stories it was introduced in, it was special.

[@LetPlaySpidey18]

I never know this about ssj 4

[@dwightnorton3398]

Nice part 1

[@CrazyMouadBasketball]

No circle, no view ⭕️

[@oorazuu77]

Ss4 was a great overall concept, but the main aspect of it being so baddass was it's true feral aspect, which they also conveniently dropped the ball in conveniently adding clothing into the transformation.... Which made zero sense, because as I recall, Piccolo and Buu were the only characters capable of creating clothing out of thin air.... The fact they decided to sailor moon transform clothing into ss4 made me cringe to no end...

[@tornap4rt]

I NEED THE NEXT VIDEO NOW

[@VforVengeance159]

Should've been Gohan's transformation in Super Hero.

[@deshaunbaker2220]

I disagree with Super Saiyan 2 coming out of nowhere. While I do agree that the name wasn't made a big factor until the Buu arc, the form was the payoff for objective of surpassing Super Saiyan that out characters worked on since losing to Android 17 & 18. Training in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber created forms such as SSJ grade 2 that Vegeta used and SSJ grade 3 that Trunks used but Goku pointed out that each of them have drawbacks that don't complete that objective such as grade 2 having the excess use of energy and grade 3 having more power through muscle mass but lack of speed to land a hit. Gohan's form accomplishes the surpassing Super Saiyan objective by eliminating those previous drawbacks to defeat Cell.

[@LorainPsycho]

I like Super Saiyan 4 so much better than the modern rainbow transformations

[@PaulSmith-nb6md]

And it is fair to say ss4 was a literal a** pull.

[@ChronoXShadow]

8:00 This is why I don't like Beast Mode Gohan. His back wasn't against the wall. He WAS the wall... Again. For the third time. Dude needs to grow up. Instead, he got Beast Mode. What a shame.

[@edwardgarner5029]

A great and informative video. Very well explained. The greatest transformation bar none in my opinion.

[@wearblackclothes]

I think the naming of super sayans in linear form was a bad decision. I think ssj3 is more of a technique than a transformation. Vegeta passed ssj3 with just ssj2 when beruus hit bulma and he didn't "transform" it's just some kind of technique goku invented similar to kiaoken. Which makes sense since it rapidly drains energy in exchange for power. A perfected kiaoken that doesn't hurt the body but still has a drawback. I think if gt hadn't finished we would have been the supersayan ontop of the "ssj4" with a golden hair "ssj4" and it would be called ssj5 or something. But yeah going by numerical naming was stupid and like shooting themselves in the foot.

[@l0rf]

Please don't expose your primal form to the comment section, lest the video gets demonetised.

[@lazerbreaker4758]

Dude goku was inspired by sun wukong so ofc they'll give him a monkey form

[@GigachadGuts-1984]

Super saiyan 4 🗿🗿🗿

[@kevinmentor6036]

🤫🤫😙

[@pepito69]

🤔

[@adamwade6243]

Excuse me, Saiyan Scholar? Can you pretty please cover the Warrior of Zera Archetype from Yu-Gi-Oh! in one of your future Videos? Or can you pretty please point out what mortals, Angels, Fallen Angels, and Demons from the Warrior of Zera Archetype actually look like if they would have been able to kick the respective Butts of some of the DBS characters at the very least? As so many of the old School Yu-Gi-Oh! Monster Cards have way better designs than almost all of the character designs from DBS in general.

[@lazerbreaker4758]

No ssj4 is not the combination of ssj and great ape because if ssj3 goku barely did a thing to baby vegeta how would a 25% increase do a thing so the golden oozaru is ssj3 with great ape

[@Charlie.G506]

So based on all of this, the super larpers are still saying shit about ssj4 being neg diffed by rose or blue?

[@ryszakowy]

SSJ4 is a form that goku has literally pulled out of his ass that being said da monke shows up and wins his fights unlike SSJ blue in super SSJ 4 is a for done properly

[@leorayner7382]

3rd

[@cloudyfoam]

What I do like about Super Saiyan 4 1. Incredible design. 2. Unique power and attacks What I don't like about Super Saiyan 4 1. Poor execution 2. Flat writing 3. Weak emotional impact 4. No build-up This makes Super Saiyan 4 far worse than Super Saiyan Blue. A cool looking transformation far worse than a Super Saiyan recolor. But hey, that's just my opinion, you can agree or disagree and I won't mind.

[@gabrielchastain6091]

I disagree with every single point you made but I just have a different opinion

[@gotzvonunentberlichingen1452]

Supersayan blue is way weaker than SSj4 writing wise. I mean, I guess it makes sense that you can stack the original Supersayan on top of god ki, but that’s all there was to it. Goku just invented it because it made sense and thereby Supersayan 3 and Supersayan god became useless. Supersayan 4 is way more cathartic. Goku and Vegeta after years upon years have finally managed to combine their Sayan heritage with their good character and become something, that none else has ever achieved, a hybrid of Supersayan and Oozaru. Instead of pushing to greater heights by screaming some more or doing a dumb ritual, SSj4 was achieved via catharsis and introspection.

[@jonikalemasi3062]

Oke.....lets go through it. 1- execution. Goku struggling and all his power so far is for null. Baby mentioning and dragging vegetas sayan power making him far stronger Goku goin through an entire Arc to get his tail back as the kai said Sayans primal power is related to their tail. Goku being in his last leg getting a power up from the blue light of earth Which goku grew up in and his love for his family and him transforming in to a Great Ap out of control for only later to gain control of it. This cover your 4th point about build up 2- falt writing Complete new from never seen before new abilities A COMPLETEL NEW PERSONALITY far more serious and him drawing the primal power of sayan power the perfect transformation a perfect body and the perfect evolution of what sayanas actually are and what they used to be an how ozaru was used. 3. Far more emotional impact then any SJgod form except maybe Omen UI. Sj blue red and whatever were absolute all pulls and a new hair recolor. THEY AIN'T EVEN IN THE SAME RELAM OF HOW MUCH BETTER SJ4 is as a transformation

[@pepito69]

@@gabrielchastain6091 just to be clear you disagree with both what he likes and dislikes about it?

[@stevenldoe7838]

3) it literally takes his granddaughters tears to shake him into yhe right mind set. 1 & 2) kid goku regrew his tail twice in OG dragonball. Linked directly to the old Golden oozaru lore in dbz 4) SSJ3 is literally bodied by baby vegetas 1st form. Elder kaio believe a link existed to the orginal saiyan biology and transformation tree

[@AJH666]

Still mad that SSJ 4 and GT characters are most likely going to be dlc for sparking zero 😢

[@HectorGarfria]

We know better now

[@gardevoirtrainer4526]

Finally confirmed for Sparking Zero.