Super Shoes vs. Super Spikes, and Do Super Shoes Have a Plateau for Runners?

[@DoctorsofRunning]

GIVEAWAY! Enter by commenting here. Share some topics for us to discuss on the pod in the future! (US Residents Only) Details: This week’s podcast is brought to you by Running Warehouse. We’re excited to share that we’re partnering with Running Warehouse for not one, not two, but eight giveaways in the coming weeks. This is our #2 giveaway of the series. All you have to do to enter this week is leave a comment about what shoe you’re excited for to enter for a chance to win a $100 dollar gift card to Running Warehouse. (If you left a comment in last week's video, we'll count it this time, but in the future it'll be the same podcast's Sunday drop!) The contest is open through Friday the 22nd. Only US residents are eligible to enter.

[@andyalvarico6139]

Would love to have these! 😍

[@zacmorgan2895]

Hoka speedgoat 6!!

[@zubinshah6004]

Thanks for sharing all the knowledge on your website!

[@cristinagray9399]

Would love a new pair of Saucony Speed or try new brand of racing shoes! Love Running Warehouse ❤

[@NoahorScoob]

Are there any injury trends that have increased as we see more high stack, max cushioned, rockered, and super shoes being produced and used?

[@JSERV55]

Love all that guys do for the running community. Thank you for taking time out of your busy days to share some knowledge! You deserve way more than 19k followers!

[@i.p2088]

I am 60 and slow.. I used to be able to run maximum 30 miles a week before braking up.. Now I run mostly in Supershoes (Adidas Pro 3, Mizuno Wave Rebellion Pro V1, New Balance SC elite V3, Endorphin Pro 3) and I easily run 50 miles per week without any issues. Of course my avarage pace went up as well.

[@preethysmith2669]

Would love to hear you talk more about recommendations for those with posterior tibial tendon issues! Loved your post online and would love to hear your discussion!

[@TrayceKrauth]

I'm a Physical Therapist who treats runners and really enjoy your podcasts. I'm excited about the TOPO brand. Recently switched to them for daily use in the clinic, road running and trail running and pretty sure I'll never go back to Brooks or New Balance. Thanks for all you do.

[@christopherrinaldi7815]

This was a great episode, and I loved hearing yall theorize because it left a lot of good things to consider. I think it would be interesting to hear you talk about the different level of compliance in Superfoams (ZoomX, LS Pro, PWRRun HG and PB, etc) and how certain running forms may benefit from the different levels of compliance

[@justincarman3528]

Hello DOR! My name is Justin and I am super excited for the release of the New Balance Fresh Foam X Balos, Topo Athletics Specter 2, as well as the New Balance Fuelcell Supercomp Pacer v2!!!

[@speedworkendurance2091]

My thought is the super shoe is doing more of the work where in a regular flat where your body has to do more of the work. Using a more hybrid approach where you are training in a regular shoe with a supplement of a super shoe I think the athlete will get a better adaptation in training.

[@ericletasse5129]

Great content. I haven’t done well with the new softer foams, and my choices are getting fewer. I’ve done some training in the newer foams and super shoes, and have been struggling to stay injury free.

[@DavidGonzalez-kv1nc]

I’m grateful for all your analysis on these shoes and how they can be used as tools in training as well as how different types of athletes could benefit from the shoes. The worst part is the only way we can figure out which shoe works for our specific mechanics is to buy them. So, local running stores should send you their love.

[@janetvoelpert4051]

I enjoy and value this site for honest information on all running issues and evaluations. I look forward to all the help you offer us . I do love the Saucony Speed 4's. What a awesome upgrade !

[@bersonlee]

Great insights on training in super shoes. I personally feel training with them have saved my legs in a high mileage training block and made it easier for the run next day.

[@lukeobadiah]

Love the content. Very interesting point that you guys Brought up about how super shoes are helping with new record in the longer distance races. Really enjoy hearing you guys.

[@DikaiaKnight]

Great episode! As a non-super fast runner I’ve found your videos on super shoes for normals very useful to help me understand which are worth me trying out.

[@Outdoors2theMax]

Love the vid. Found the channel about a year ago, and love finding new research on running from you all.

[@williamkats5446]

As a runner getting back into the sport after a long layoff, and someone who's surfed the various trends in shoe design, I'm intrigued by the Topo line, and the Cyclone 2. Ran the very first Brooks shoe, the Nike waffle trainer, original Pegasus, the handful of zero-drops, and now the new foams. Age making me be more careful, but still on the road! Enjoying the site greatly.

[@scotthilton5406]

Appreciate your video's and information. I mainly run for enjoyment, with some performance improvement mixed in over time. I didn't start running until I was 49, so not seeing myself getting into spikes and enjoy a nice cushion running shoe. The Superblast is my "super" shoe, I'm surprised there isn't more competition to it in the marketplace (non-plated), I am hoping maybe the specter 2 will be comparable. Anyway, cheers and great job team

[@johnwhitesides566]

I ran 30:40 and 14:43 on the track back in the early 80's. I always used spikes in 5ks. In 10's, I wore spikes on the softer tracks and flats on the harder ones because the pounding adds up over 25 laps, which made the slight extra weight worthwhile. Traction wasn't really a major issue unless the track was wet. With the far more cushioned modern spikes, I would likely always choose them vs a flat (if I was still 24!).

[@DarkPa1adin]

Thank you DOR for your reviews! I love the stability section of each review!

[@lukeobadiah]

Would love to hear more how you guys recover from runs, or more tips to help people get started on running. And also your thoughts on various other running gears other than shoes. It was helpful to hear your thoughts on clothes good for running and other things.

[@joelbwrites1996]

Your videos are always a must watch. I'm looking forward to a track series of races in Charlotte this summer so this video is well timed. Still have my sprinting spikes from college 20+ years ago but i should probably upgrade. Also looking forward to Saucony Tempus 2 whenever they come out.

[@fraydo11]

Recently discovered you guys and loving the content. Great listen for my runs

[@BushWookieMan38]

I really enjoyed your discussion last week on training in super shoes and I’m interested I how that discussion carries over this week!

[@Echom4-kr5el]

Love the content and the format- I don’t listen to podcasts prefer to watch. Never tried super shoes and softer foams caused me injury, but this gives me something to think about. Would still like to hear about shoe rotations,

[@nickwical5548]

The content is excellent. One of my go-tos for thoroughness and research articles. I’d love to try the ASICS Paris edge

[@jenwatters7124]

Loving your content, especially appreciate when you address the middle and back of packers 🤠 also grand masters runners - our strength and training needs, any other considerations. I greatly appreciate DOR for your intelligent and science-based reviews and commentary.

[@thechrisfouke]

Love the pod, would love to hear about running accessories such as socks, fuel bands etc everyone uses for racing!

[@martyr5101]

Excited for the NB More V5 this summer and would love to hear a pod about dual density midsoles and how the placement (paired with each foams characteristics) impacts the shoes holistic ride. For instance, while many dual density setups use a firmer foam on the roadside (peg turbo, mach 4 & 5), shoes like the Endorphin Elite (to the best of my knowledge) use a firmer, more responsive formula of pwrrun HG closer to the foot and that is only looking at dual density midsoles that are sandwich style.

[@zarthur15]

Love the episode, excited about the giveaways too, of course! I'm more into the super trainers and road shoes than spikes, so I'm looking forward to a race or two in the Superblasts

[@stayxsweet1]

I agree. The newest shoes are giving us the capacity to run longer distances. I’ve noticed a big difference in shoe quality over the years for long distance runs. Less pain

[@maktaing4855]

great ep ... having never worn spikes and wanting to get into amateur short distances track racing so perfectly timed topic

[@patrickfegan8926]

Loving the discussion and work that y’all do. Super excited for the Topo Specter 2, and really enjoying the Endorphin Speed 4s so far

[@RebsGuarina]

Grateful for the content that DoR produces. I'm excited for the Metaspeed Sky Paris actually!

[@tysonstewart1877]

Great content as always! Don’t think I’ll ever be fast enough or bio mechanically sound enough for super shoes!

[@David-q2z9z]

You should do a review on the brooks ld spike

[@anthonytorgerson4175]

Great video. I wish they made supershoes wider. I loved the asics metaspeed edge for the first 5k, actually got a pb without tryining, but couldn't even finish a half marathon. Love the contest.

[@blakejohnson5968]

Great work guys! Thanks for doing the giveaway. You guys are awesome. Keep up the good work.

[@austinli6635]

Great thoughts in this episode! I took a break from running from around 2013 to 2022 and coming back into this sport it has been interesting to see all these new shoes and technologies that could have a big impact on how we train. While hard to study, I’m curious about the changes/damage at a tissue level after hard workouts or races in these super racers or super trainers, as well as how these differences may or may not guide how we can adjust our training to accommodate these and prevent injuries. For example, if these shoes allow us to run more, how does the proportion of recovery/easy miles scale? Does it change?

[@zubinshah6004]

Love your guys website, channel, and insta. Thanks for the knowledge y’all share.

[@jonmac9115]

Super great episode! Good thoughts on using less plated shoes in training

[@ianburke2490]

Hey DOR, love the super shoe deep dive! I love running in plated shoes all the time and they great, but I'm worried I might be risking longer term weaknesses or imbalances. Anyways, I'm excited for a Rocket X2 replacement. Love those shoes for shorter races and think they could fix a few kinks and be amazing.

[@billeva8457]

Appreciate your work here. I somehow angered my left knee running on snow and ice in January (not my first winter run rodeo). It’s coming back around after time off and PT. Not sure if you have heard of this before but I swear a pair of heavy running tights with a wind panel set the whole thing off. I’ve dialed back my shoe rotation to just three pairs 😅

[@BrittanyMurphy-dh4vr]

Excited for the Saucony triumph 22!! Also interesting in hearing suggestions for osteoarthritis in big toe and helix limitus. Thanks!!

[@LoganWallace920]

Super pumped for the new Mach 6 from Hoka. I went through two pair of 5’s and my only complaint was durability. Hoping the 6 lasts longer than 250/300 miles…you guys rock and I’d love to know more about your diets. With so many different approaches to running nutrition, I’d love to know more about what you guys do to stay fueled, motivated, and relatively consistent/injury free.

[@mtnrnnr107]

Awesome analysis! Thanks guys!

[@freeman727727]

You guys rock and have the best shoe/training insights

[@quilios7044]

Great information, very excited to see how the new balance MDXv3 would perform as a super spike

[@ernestcapadngan4737]

Great episode as always! Super shoes all the way. It’s more practical than the spikes.

[@conor21hughes]

Would love to see an episode/article going more in detail on shoe selection for forefoot strikers!

[@heatherwinchell7816]

Stiffer shoes have help me PF and I recently got a pair of Hettas (a newer brand geared towards women) and have been finding that helpful!!

[@judithsmaic7953]

Great podcast, share info about increases in training, mileage and intensity, and how to not get injured when increasing intensity

[@johnishac]

Always a great episode! Super shoes way more versatile.

[@andyalvarico6139]

Thanks for the continuous work for giving us great informative content! Would love to have these shoes 😍

[@abelimages]

Interesting podcast. So want to try Hoka Cielo. Looks fast and will protect the legs.

[@jeffsmith7617]

Thanks for a great video! Im excited about the Superblast 2!

[@JacobHangartner]

Excited to hear about the hoka Mach 6! I have ran through 2 pairs of the Mach 5 that have been great for me and am curious of the differences in the 6!

[@winston7570]

Super excited for the super last 2 after seeing the photos! The knit upper looks much better for me than the current upper

[@kristopherboettcher708]

I am the most excited for the triumph 22. Super foam in the daily trainer sounds awesome!

[@kristiankrom4234]

Great podcast. I would love to hear opinions on the super shoes with the average masters distance runner (3-5 hour marathon). Are you seeing an increase in injuries in this group due to the carbon plate? More gastroc, achilles, or PF issues? I also agree that without adding a new threshold or coming out of your comfort zone you will not see improvements. What is a good balance for using a standard shoe for most of your training and a super shoe enough to be able to race in it?

[@williamjones2697]

I do most workouts in my normal shoes (Tempus and GT-2000 12) and race in my super shoes (endorphin pro) and love it.

[@davidformisano1743]

Great episode! Looking forward to the Adios Pro 4

[@joepoudrette1069]

Love the podcast. Rockin it as usual.

[@j.miller4277]

So many great shoes out there!

[@kquick-f4n]

Great info on super shoes, I've only tried one and it didn't work for me, this give me more to think about when selecting my next one.

[@verabozzi]

Wowch ! Learned a bit-interesting! Thanks

[@voraragator]

Awesome, looking forward to the brooks ghost max.

[@Brugalete]

I love your hard work and dedication. So much appreciated. Please, review soon the New Balance rebel V4. Kind regards.

[@GerardDypiangco]

I'd be interested in the episode that you were planning to do about shoe rotations, categories in the rotations, shoes from the same brand in a rotation, shoes from different brands, etc. I'm excited to try the ASICS Metaspeed Edge Paris.

[@zebell22]

Really enjoy this content. Thanks!

[@ZackSmith-nk1et]

Could talk about nutrition or race strategies and how they vary from runner to runner… looking forward to the saucony ride 18

[@codyponchaud5821]

I’m excited for the on hypermonster! Super trainer? Not sure what it exactly is yet but I’m looking forward to it

[@mikezeigler1503]

Talking about super shoes and training and the effects. I think you answered the question later in the video. It comes down to stimulus and rest. Super shoes allow you to not be as beat up thus your rest should technically be better allowing for greater stimulus. Not matter the paces.

[@minawillis20]

Great episode! I would love to try the ASICS Metaspeed Edge Paris.

[@ZoherKachwala]

I think something that would be cool to know is like training in minimal shoes, does training in spikes help road running economy?

[@Shipwreckruns]

I have an about 50 miles in my speed 4s, and I’m I feel like I’m just figuring out how to get the best out of them. The started out feeling firmer than I expected them to be.

[@bobbydell7848]

Super shoes vs super spikes, great episode!

[@mardoxmark]

Hi @DoctorsofRunning. I am excited for the Saucony endorphin speed 4. Hoping to get one soon. Have a great day. Stay safe.

[@jeffc1421]

I’d love to hear a review of the new Hoka Mach 6. Great show! Thank you!

[@GTE_Channel]

Look forward most to the Altra Vanish Carbon 2. Zero drop seems to be my best medicine to avoid injuries.

[@Mike-wm6he]

A fascinating discussion, thank you.

[@angelicahunt748]

I'm excited about the Mizuno super trainer as well that comes out in June.

[@kevinm1815]

I’d be interested to hear your thoughts or any evidence you’re aware of about the most effective workouts when training for different distances. Thanks!

[@KM-qi2vg]

Can't wait to try the Endorphin Speed 4 soon! Thanks for the giveaway!!

[@chasecooley9883]

Training volume and its correlation to stress injuries?

[@nilloc1401]

Interesting podcast! I would be excited to get a pair of shoes for speed work instead of just relying on my daily trainers for everything!

[@arturofernandez9714]

Actually, one of the most interesting comment of this week's podcast was about the double workout days. The DoR might consider a longer discussion or even having some guest discussing this topic at greater length.

[@andorkish]

We all know ow the benefits of a shoe rotation, but are there any drawbacks from them? Injuries? Changed mechanics?

[@andykung2854]

Love the topic around super shoes and elites. I try to limit my use.

[@adrianm.7800]

Great episode. Matt, you break any shoes lately? Still can't believe you took down the Prime X.

[@cristinagray9399]

Entering giveaway! 🎉🎉 Would love a new pair of Saucony Speed or try new brand of racing shoes! Love Running Warehouse ❤

[@JamesMarchetti-bk5xn]

Interesting discussion! Enjoyed the podcast. Regardless, wanted to comment and go in the RW gift card draw!

[@apollograham]

I'm excited for the topo specter 2 when it goes full pebax!

[@a022988]

I am excited about the Mizuno super trainer that is coming out in I believe June!

[@jleereeve1]

The NB Rebel V4 has taken my top spot as favorite shoe in my rotation, so I'm excited for the SC Trainer to come out.

[@tobybrewster345]

I am excited about the new Nike Pegasus Turbo, and the Adidas Adios Pro 4/Evo C. Really enjoyed this episode and find that spikes versus super shoes is mainly an issue of legality and stability. Would opt for spikes/flats for shorter efforts or when turns are necessary. When running a flat, straight, longer race (10k and beyond) definitely makes sense to go super shoe. I am curious to hear more about the training effects of super shoes. Where is the line of benefit of strength vs. protection when comparing hard workouts in trainers vs. super shoes?

[@abrahamenrile1581]

Wow i like saucony

[@alecarro6344]

Excited for the Superblast 2! Until then, really looking forward to trying the Endorphin Speed 4 soon!

[@angistone-macdonald6283]

Thanks for the giveaway opportunity. I would go for the Endorphin speed 4.

[@BrianAllen-ru7rb]

Loooking forward to the Saucony Endorphin Speed 4, and maybe the Sinister for track.

[@brighton4593]

I put about 300 miles in the Superblast and looking forward to version 2. I had to retire them because I realized they gave me blisters on the very end of toes. I'm hoping Superblast V2 will help with that.