Super Smash Bros. DS Concept - Diorama!

[@richardcampbell9325]

That retro rendition of the Melee theme makes me want to ascend🎧🎶

[@retromesh]

The music is Time to Smash by Beat Avenger, DJ Cutman if you're curious!

[@richardcampbell9325]

@@retromesh Appreciate it, continue to cook boss💯

[@InsomniacAnimations]

Duuuude, I would have killed to play a ssb game on the DS❤❤❤

[@retromesh]

If I saw this as a kid, I'd be blown away. Expect more updates soon!

[@SuperMarioStarPower99]

@@retromeshwill the game (if it is a game) have online multiplayer using Nintendo Wii connection?

[@retromesh]

For sure! In this universe, NWC would be released a little earlier, and Smash DS would be the first game to support it.

[@14RingsGaming]

​@@retromesh well will it have download play as well?

[@המפליצוניםבעמ]

Yeah!!!!!

[@CAB-yu8uj]

a childhood dream! The Smash Bros DS content that existed was essentially smash flash on DS, so I'm glad you're making a real effort!

[@retromesh]

Thanks! Sorry that I can't release these at a faster rate! Look out for Link this week and the next three charactes in the following ones!

[@Kupomasters57]

I legit can't wait to see sora in this style.

[@osmanxz4503]

I had that thought about it for years and now it finally happened! Thank you so much!

[@williammeyer2584]

I always thought that if they were to make a Smash bros for the DS, it’d be something like Super Smash Flash 2

[@siyahseeker]

Basically all sprite-work. If Nintendo would make the characters in 3D, then the backgrounds and such would be sprites like in Smash 64. Otherwise, the DS would struggle.

[@WiiFan-1300]

Amazing. Love the simplicity needed for the hardware. Keep it up superstar! 🔥🔥🔥 I’d recommend calling it Smash Bros Duel (or Dual), like dual screen. ;)

[@retromesh]

A lot of people suggested that. I shall reveal the name at a later date, stay tuned for that!

[@joojishibuki]

This is seriously amazing!!

[@Shayne007]

That's a nice diorama 😊

[@retromesh]

Thank you Shayne! Expect more!

[@elkeht]

i liked this remix WOW

[@retromesh]

The music is called Time to Smash by Beat Avenger, DJ Cutman if you're curious!

[@Super_Bambi_64]

The Super Smash Brothers DS Model reminds me of Super Smash Brothers 64.

[@AliVe1234]

I love your project, the characters look amazing and capture the feeling of the DS really well. Although for the environments I would recommend using vertex colouring to simulate lighting like old games did it, it'll really bring your stages to life

[@retromesh]

Thank you! I plan to repolish this stage. Hopefully I'll be able to get the video out later this month. Look forward to it!

[@mooniswhiteandsunisblack]

beautiful 😭

[@PetGrindStorage2]

Honestly I’m interested!

[@theclassicsonicfan]

That's amazing well you put smash bros ds on the ds for real i will be amazed

[@retromesh]

sorry! this is just a concept! but i hope that you're interested anyway!

[@DavidBelmontSOTN]

No sé si es simplemente un concepto, pero se ve bastante prometedor este curioso video que me encontré de la nada.

[@retromesh]

Gracias! Por el momento si es un concepto! Pero veremos donde llegara! Bienvenido al canal!

[@DavidBelmontSOTN]

@@retromesh Entiendo y gracias por responder en mi idioma y si en el dado caso que eres de otro país. Estaré pendiente de tu proyecto apoyando. Un saludo desde Venezuela.

[@retromesh]

Gracias! Me allegra mucho que estas tan interresado! Saludos del Canada!

[@pietrozin636]

The dreams comes true...

[@Cupheadsadvocate]

hopefully we see ness

[@Diegoloco]

this is amazing, but in reality i don't think the back of the objects\stage would be modeled

[@retromesh]

They'd be hidden due to backface culling during gameplay! I like modeling the whole asset just to be able to show it off. This won't be the final version of the stage of course.

[@dannybright8708]

I wonder what characters would’ve been picked here… since the roster would’ve probably been finalized around 2002-2003, could we have seen characters like Isaac from Golden Sun, Chibi Robo, or a Gen 3 Pokemon?

[@retromesh]

For this project, the characters will have been finalized by late 2004. I'm thinking that the release window would have been around mid-2005 since I don't want to overlap with MKDS' release date. Smash would have also been the first game with Wifi compatibility. Can't get into specifics on who will be in, but look forward to more reveals throughout the next few weeks!

[@fgfhjfhjfbhfghf5771]

​@@retromeshPigma Dengar would be a great curveball Star Fox rep

[@dannybright8708]

@@retromesh oof, very short development time it seems, (then again Melee was only 13 months) so it’d have to be pretty light on newcomers Though I’d imagine Wario would be a shoe-in for this game considering he was planned for Melee, King Dedede seems pretty likely too (though Meta Knight would probably be saved for Brawl since he fits that game’s darker style). Not sure about anyone else from Brawl though, since they either weren’t relevant in 2004 or would’ve been very big additions (like Sonic) and thus saved for Brawl due to it being a console game which generally had more priority.

[@retromesh]

I'd estimate 1.5/2 year development cycle, sounds about right, and some characters would be decided along the way. Like I believe that Roy was a last minute addition to Melee since his game wasn't even out yet at the time. There will definitely be some newcomers from Brawl, as well as some original characters, won't disclose them yet :)

[@j_eezus_christ_bro_chill]

genius

[@LeoEmber]

Wow you came so far, man

[@retromesh]

Yeahhhh :D Hopefully, this is just the start!

[@LeoEmber]

@@retromesh yes also you should hire people that make it go faster

[@urielcruz931]

Love it! please keep it doing!!!

[@retromesh]

Thanks that is very motivating to hear!

[@ZombieChicken1310]

This makes me think... How would characters like Olimar work? Because the Pikmin in the 3DS game were already limited in animations, how would they work here? Anyways nice concept, looking forward to it a lot!

[@winglesspenny64]

maybe the pikmin could be 2d sprites

[@Voy_a_borrar_la_cuenta]

​@@winglesspenny64Good idea

[@ZombieChicken1310]

@@winglesspenny64 finally, game and watch-mins

[@ORyan402]

I wanna see someone make a rom of this

[@egnichiekevin9647]

Wait second ! You want to made this game. I like it

[@sad_potato9230]

I think an easy way to save tris would be make the Trees a flat plane texture

[@retromesh]

They're very low poly. I wanted to bring out some sort of depth as well. Stay tuned for more!

[@sad_potato9230]

@@retromesh that's understandable but when working with a limit some compromises might have to be made imo since the you are working with the hardware limitations not to mention that you Would want each fighter to be under 600 tris which would include effects and the stage itself

[@sad_potato9230]

I say this as a brawl moder who's worked with Wii limitations before lol

[@retromesh]

I have a plan for everything! I plan to get a video addressing the issue in detail soon, but for now I'll leave you with this response that I replied to someone with a similar question, just for reference, the poly limit for the NDS is 2048 tris by the way! 600 tris at most per character, 800 tris at most for a single stage, 500 tris at most for a pokeball pokemon, and 100 tris for items. Those are the big stuff, effects will be mainly emited through planes, and stages won't be as complex, but stage hazzards will still be a thing and they will still feel fun. There will be a few limitations! Like if there are four players on screen, there can only be one pokeball pokemon, and 4 items at the same time. So if we run the math, 600x4 characters (since there can be up to four players) + 800 (stage) + (500) pokemon) + 100x4 (four items) = 4100. Now in video games, there is a technique called backface culling, which allows tris that are not seen by the camera to be hidden. Since Smash tends to always have a still camera, this would allow for at least half of the faces to be hidden. So if we divide our 4100 by 2 we would get 2050. I know that's two tris over the limit but screw it, this is the most amount of tris that there can be on screen at the same. However, there will be more implementations that I will address that will allow for more tris to be cut. In between now and that video, I plan to inform myself more on the hardware limitations of the DS and plan more accordingly. Stay tuned for it!

[@timothydarden6133]

Roster Prediction: 1. Mario 2. Luigi 3. Peach 4. Bowser 5. Dr. Mario 6. Yoshi 7. Donkey Kong 8. Link 9. Zelda 10. Ganondorf 11. Samus 12. Kirby 13. Fox 14. Falco 15. Pikachu 16. Jigglypuff 17. Captain Falcon 18. Ness 19. Marth 20. Mr. Game & Watch

[@LeoEmber]

21.Sonic 22.Bomberman 23.Geno 24.Waluigi 25.Tails 26.Shadow 27.Knuckles

[@timothydarden6133]

@@LeoEmber Let's try adhering to the DS' limitations & the probability of this being a bridge between Melee & Brawl.

[@LeoEmber]

@@timothydarden6133ok

[@adamshane948]

21. Wario 22. Diddy Kong 23. Charizard 24. Meta Knight 25. R.O.B. 26. Sonic

[@mikestaph]

i would like to work on this project, how hard can it be? Also, probably youll have to make the models less detailed

[@retromesh]

Hello Mike! I would like to eventually work with other people on this project since it's pretty big in scale. For the time being, I'd like to handle it myself, just until I achieve a bigger following and this project receives more notoriety. I apologize for this, I know that it's a little selfish on my behalf! I will list your name down as a reference and let you know when this comes up! Thank you! As for the details, I plan to address all of the hardware stuff in a seperate video! Look forward to it!

[@antoniosousa-gy4gp]

chow intro im brawl

[@JoshuaCooley-r2g]

Gooooooooooooooooooood

[@NeonExplorerLegacy]

Broooo this is amazing. Are you going to publish the rom when it's ready? To do a Review on my channel (in case I have your permission) :3

[@retromesh]

Thank you and sorry! This won't be an actual game, just purely hypothetical! But I'm thinking of making these models publicly viewable so that people can play around with them! Look forward to more good content!

[@p0kess540]

wavedashing?

[@retromesh]

Hmmm, it was a glitch originally, so I don't think that it should be purposely included. However it could be done with modding.

[@p0kess540]

@@retromesh it'd be cool to see run on an actual DS one day, where can I follow the project?

[@retromesh]

Sorry for the late reply Pokedess, didn't see this. I uploaded a recent video on Mario if you haven't watched that. You can follow me here and Instagram where I post updates and some behind-the-scenes!

[@picklebrine7611]

⁠​⁠​⁠@@retromeshWavedashing is the result of air dodging carrying momentum when landing. It is not a glitch and it works as intended, it’s on record that the development team knew about wavedashing before release, but I assume they didn’t realize how meta defining it is. That’s why wavedashing exists in Ultimate, but was coded to have a lot of endlag, in order to be not as good as it is in Melee. but if the intent is to be a hypothetical what if scenario DS Smash, it’d prob be better to not include wavedashes/directional airdodges and just opt for the Brawl air dodge

[@retromesh]

Oh I see. I'm not a competitive Smash player so I'm not as informed on these things. Yeah, it wouldn't hurt to have it integrated in the game, and if people want it in, I don't see the problem.

[@AwesomeFaceGam3r]

Fox only, final smash off, no touchscreen attacks.