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[@Paraguai123]

So Sakurai literally said "Fuck you, pros. Games are for fun" with Brawl. Sakurai 10/10 would Smash again.

[@OughtaBeBrynn]

Tree's Apprentice Hi Ben.

[@Skullivon]

More like "Fuck you, pros. You have to have fun in MY way, YOUR way of having fun is bad and wrong."

[@arempy5836]

Sakurai just got bodied by a guile player and has hated fighting games ever since.

[@Fayt540]

Green Sanic Notice how it's basically Brawl 2.0 tho

[@randomusername3445]

Videogames are only for fun. NO SHIT! perish the thought that someone play videogames for fun.

[@IBreiKeL]

Man, as a casual, I LOVED THIS VIDEO! I only played Smash for fun and I never understood how people could be so good at it. Now I respect competitive smash players more, cause I "understand" the mechanics behind it. What I don't understand is the comment section, it made me sick. All I see are competitive players bashing on casuals because they play for fun and casuals hating on competitive players for using "exploits". I mean, really? How can you hate on someone for having fun? How can you hate on someone for being better than you, and working hard to get better? I just don't understand the logic behind these people, it's just sad.

[@Ddiaboloer]

I have been on the comment section for hours. It's clear that the people fighting are the casuals, not the competitors. Casuals are so elitists it sickens me. At least you aren't so stupid

[@BoredDan7]

Ddiaboloer You're obviously being very subject to confirmation bias is you think it's only the casuals being elitist. There is just a lot of vitriol going around from both sides. Luckily there are also a lot of level headed people saying play how you want to play.

[@Ddiaboloer]

BoredDan​ What I mostly see is a stupid comment by a causal then many competitors telling him why he is ignorant. I don't see it the other way round. The comments here are "People that only play Melee just like glitches" not "People that only play Brawl suck". Seriously, it's the casuals that are attacking

[@BoredDan7]

Ddiaboloer There is definitely more top level comments that are anti-comp, but if you actually read a lot of the responses you'll see a lot of anti-casual talk. Also statements such as "a stupid comment by a causal then many competitions telling him why he is ignorant" come off as elitist and condescending.

[@Ddiaboloer]

BoredDan A stupid comment by a casual is more than half the comments though. It's honestly how I would describe it

[@CRAIGGU4]

Despite the fact this is a fighting game, the real fights are within the players outside the game.

[@TheHornet79]

Especially in team battles with teammates that suck. I still have fun though.

[@gustavogiovannifriassoto880]

Yeah that's true.

[@thedangboi7198]

This is true of all fights Dont ask why im here in 2021

[@AZaxe]

@1:43- 1:51 That's me!

[@Link_69]

Axe

[@monkeymart]

Only two people stopped while scrolling through to say hi to our boy Axe?

[@izaakamesta1919]

congratulations on what you have accomplished

[@mae_lia]

[@brianbuckley5204]

Just gonna throw this out there. Saying that the competitive community hated Brawl because it lacked AT simply isn't true and is a huge oversimplification. People hated Brawl because it was slow and campy, and rewarded defensive play to an extreme extent. Add in to that the fact that the game is the most unbalanced in the series, and you have a lot of people dismissing it outright for many, many different reasons.

[@Cozmosus]

Bro, you straight _trippin'_!

[@moneyboyok]

Cozmosus Meta knight...

[@colinies]

Very true, this is the reason why Smash Bros for Wii U will be bigger than Brawl ever was, it still doesnt have wave dash but the game runs much faster and new mechanichs help promote offensive play.

[@Ziko577]

Brawl was always the type of game for those who didn't know anything about fighting games and wanted something new and fresh and for the pros to complain about it, tells you that they're out of touch with the community as a whole. Not everyone wants to be the next year's EVO champion for pete's sake. I'm the type of guy who plays fighting games for a challenge and don't really care about frames and all that shit. Sure there's games that are so bad that it's an issue (i.e. Samurai Showdown III) and I do my homework on those games before playing them but for the pros to criticize the devs for their so-called ineptitude on what should and shouldn't be there is stupid.

[@thehero8573]

***** I don't know if your being sarcastic or not, but I LOVE fast shield breaking......JIGGLY SHALL FALL\('-')/

[@CreepsMcPasta]

Wow! This episode was really technical!

[@RequiemShin]

Well, technically...

[@WOTS37]

6 years later and this comment is still unnoticed

[@Smuglu]

This comment section is kinda hilarious now. Everyone's complaining about the comment section and what a shit storm it is but all I can find is comments complaining about it.

[@Alienrun]

+Smuglu And meanwhile you posted a comment complaining about...okay I'll stop! :P

[@neilisbored2177]

2meta5meta

[@UGSArmada]

What I don't understand in Sakurais decision at all is the fact that advanced stuff like "Wavedash/L-cancel" is not common knowledge for the average person playing the game. The people that wanna play games competitive will search up a community for it or maybe build it up and the player that just wanna play "for fun" (why would competitive players not have fun anyway :P) will play it in their own way. In games it is not a "right" or "wrong" way of playing. The Smash Brothers series shows that with so many modes the normal outcome is that people will have a preference in what they prefer. Some people play with items, some people do not, and some people like Break the targets the most. With that said, if people do not wanna use advanced techniques they are, by no means, forced to use them. And the competitive players and the casual gamers will very rarely play against each other, so everyone can play the game EXACTLY like they wanna play it. The thing is, when you remove stuff intentionally just to make one part of the audience mad, I don't really know what to say. I understand why Sakurai made the game slower (easier to control) and I understand why he made it easier to get back on stage, because this is necessary mechanics to play the game, but advanced techs is not NECESSARY. It adds depth to the game and a lot of people like it. Most people is not aware of it and did not even notice WD and many other techniques were removed, so with this said, Sakurai, I really do not understand your way of thinking here. Professional smash player for 10 years but I started of as a casual player in Smash 64 about 6 years before I did enter my first tournament. Melee was my favorite game from the moment I touched it and that was almost 3 years before my first tournament and did realize many of those things did even exist /Armada

[@Walton1ee7]

Agreed, the removal of AT's had no effect on the majority of the smash fan base. I'm actually an aspiring peach player that started a few months ago and I'm loving competitive smash and have used a lot of your online resources an guides to improve as a player. Best of luck at BEAST 5 and APEX!

[@UGSArmada]

Walton Lee Awesome, glad to hear =D Wish you the best of luck in the future! Thanks a lot, will do my best to win both these tournaments =D

[@mattverhoeven9837]

Welp, he won some more tours than just APEX and BEAST now

[@JasonGodwin69]

Armada Sakurai did this because in Sm4sh, everyone can buy Cloud and be an Esports just like the pros. It's normiefied. Mass marketing.

[@Traewulong]

You are amazing mr.armada

[@EXStephen]

I'm an Intermediate player. Don't play extremely competitive and I don't play really casually. I just do what I normally do.

[@Ddiaboloer]

Believe me, you suck. You might as well say you are a casual because Smash bros takes years of playing hours every day to be even decent. Smash is a very deep game and shouldn't be underestimated - especially Smash Melee

[@cyberdude4]

Ddiaboloer No, it is you that sucks. Whatever happened to "Play the way you want to play."

[@notgreninja5645]

Ddiaboloer Melee sucks. PSABR is better.

[@Ddiaboloer]

Chaos_Knight He described himself as "Intermediate" which is a standard that can be measured. For Melee this would be basically mastering all techniques. To be a pro is to finally be able to incorporate all these mechanics in the correct situations. Same can be said with any sport

[@notgreninja5645]

Ddiaboloer Just let him fucking play the game the way he wants to, you pathetic Melee peasant.

[@vgbootcamp]

If you wanna see more tournament footage you can do so on our channel (A lot of the tournament matches from this video are from our channel)

[@kidd_kudu847]

VGBootCamp VoDs nice to know

[@JazGalaxy]

When I was a kid, I used to think that I was good at video games. Then I learned that I was good, but I wasn't INSANE, and you will never really be as good as a game as people who are insane. There are always people who's enjoyment of playing games comes not at playing the game well, but at taking it apart and figuring out how to best exploit every feature in order to achieve the best possible success. I don't have that level of insanity.

[@Ddiaboloer]

Well people treat fighting games as a sport, that's why there is a big difference of skill levels. No different to say Football

[@JusticeJanitor]

By that logic, every single professional athlete and every single professional musician are insane. Let's take it a step further and say that every single engineer and scientist are insane too.

[@JazGalaxy]

LeBron James's high school girlfriend commented about him in an interview. She said that he wasn't much fun to date because all he ever did was watch basketball game footage. It's what he did by himself. It's what they did on dates. If he wasn't talking about basketball, he didn't have much to talk about. Seeing as how basketball is putting a ball in a metal ring over and over again... yes. That is insane.

[@Zimx02]

JazGalaxy Oh no, he lost his high school girlfriend, how horrible. Thirsty virgin detected.

[@JazGalaxy]

Well. If you don't think there is something wrong with the idea of doing one completely useless activity to the exclusion of all other aspects of life just so you can be the "best" at it... there's not really anything more for us to talk about.

[@MrCrazyToad]

All I have to say is that this video taught me that crouch-canceling was a thing.

[@FALCONLICK]

+MrCrazyToad you don't do it at 0 though. this was a pretty amateur guide

[@pink_menace]

+BLA BLA This isn't a guide...

[@LuisGMJVM]

+BLA BLA Why not at 0? That's when it can be best applied if someone goes too aggro when you just got your fresh stock.

[@FALCONLICK]

Memo_Mj sakurai programmed it in. It makes it so people don't pop up a start of game

[@LuisGMJVM]

BLA BLA I just checked and you're right, however, this only applies to certain moves (like spacies Nair and Bair). So, you CAN CC at 0.

[@KingCreepa]

Honestly I cant understand how high level players want to have special moves that help them be better but at the same time it just seems dumb to complain about when you lose an ability. People need to get over hiding secret moves in order to benefit themselves and just have fun.

[@roseypls]

Some people find competitive play more fun. I know I do. And none of these "secret moves" are really hard to find at all, if you looked up tips on how to get better at Melee, the first stuff you'd find is about L-canceling and wavedashing. It's not the 90's anymore, all it takes is a quick internet search.

[@KingCreepa]

Rosey I understand that but I really dont find much fun in trying to use a bunch of advance moves i guess im just a filthy casual :P

[@OneRandomVictory]

Hiding secret moves? What? There are no secret moves because practically every competitive player uses advanced techniques. This is not just in smash bros either.

[@roseypls]

KingCreepa The fun in these advanced techniques is that you're getting more results for the more effort you put into getting better. If no advanced techniques exist, then the game is basically won with RNG and luck. But some people just play because they're stimulated and it's bright colors beating each other up on screen. To each their own.

[@Magnet_Chaos]

1- Fun is subjective. 2- Competitive gaming is all about finding new skills and exploiting the game. 3- They don't want moves to make them be better. They want moves that make the game deeper. Lack of depth isn't fun for them. 4- Who the hell is hiding this secret moves? They are all over the internet and guides.

[@lowkeymokeymokey3360]

It's funny because Yungtown mentions how characters who have vertical kill potential (Fox), would be good on stages like Fountain of Dreams, however that is Fox's worst stage, and characters who have bad recovery (C. Falcon) would be bad on Dreamland, but that is Falcon's (arguably) best stage.

[@_Swoon]

+tan(90 I mean, fox's worst stage is FoD... but he still doesn't have a bad stage xDDD

[@lowkeymokeymokey3360]

***** Very true, he's just too good.

[@LengthyUsername]

+tan(90 That Dreamland clip of Falcon really bugged me. If Falcon had DI'd up and in, then jumped, then Falcon Kicked, then jumped again, THEN Up + B'd, he would've survived with ease.

[@lowkeymokeymokey3360]

+Christopher Borg Yeah, proper DI and falcon kick would've totally saved that Falcon.

[@TheRainBros1]

+tan(90 DL is falcon's best stage especially cuz it's so big that he has a lot of room to run on, falcon's worst stage (arguably) is Yoshi's unless you're S2J who loves yoshi's haha Also why didn't he say a stage like yoshi's for vertical kill, the FoD ceiling is higher than yoshi's...

[@WaiGee_]

Can not belive when i first saw this, all this was news for me. Now after getting into comp melee this all is braindead stuff for me.

[@madisonh4239]

Same. :P

[@soridosuneku]

+WaiGee The youngins' are still gettin' into smash.. It's kinda surprising for me still, but that's probs 'cause I've never learned advanced techs

[@nickmike9987]

Martha H n

[@akerguido9399]

Feel you, mate.

[@kong732ify]

Rogue Tom yep, in this case it means techniques. Although in smash terms it can also refer to the act of hitting a shield button just before making contact with a surface while still in hitstun or tumble, as described in the video.

[@JigglypuffTutorials]

News Flash: Every AT mentioned in this video is relatively easy to learn with practice. News Flash: Using AT's does not guarantee a victory. News Flash: If someone works harder than you at something, it's only natural they will succeed. News Flash: These are not "glitches", but known engine exploits. News Flash: The competitive community has not hampered the play of any Casual Players. News Flash: Brawl was disliked for reasons other than just "not being Melee". News Flash: Play the game how you want to play. News Flash: Stop feeling entitled to victory simply by putting a few hours into a game. Skill Ceilings exist and games like Melee have virtually impossible to attain skill ceilings, so personal growth is always happening. Achieving a goal and truly getting good at a genuinely difficult game is extremely rewarding. If you feel its unfair, would you consider it unfair if a rival sports player put more work into an advanced skill and beat you? Finally, News Flash: Don't be a dick. The competitive community does not want to hamper your enjoyment of the game. Rather, we aim to create a welcoming and friendly community for players of ALL skill levels(this is very true at the local level), and are always willing to help new players develop and learn. If you choose to enjoy the game as you feel it is intended, than Bravo! More power to you. But don't feel the need to shame others for wanting to get better at game by using it to the fullest. (Anecdote: I became involved in the Melee community this past summer, and besides getting better at the game, I have made many amazing friends. I never feel like I cant be myself at smashfests or tourneys, and no one has ever been anything but the most welcoming and generous to me, be it with their time or resources. The smash community is just a group of people who deeply love their respective games, and want to foster a spirit of healthy competition, no matter which game they play. However, nothing difficult comes easily. If you want that W, git good(; )

[@Lin2Waterfall]

"Oh no. My techniques from Melee don't work in Brawl! Melee is better, Brawl sucks!" Pretty much the gist of what I hear :/

[@pacack824]

Most competitive players actually would be fine with it if they gave something to compensate. We just want movement options, really.

[@FudGnut]

pacack824 This. So much this. If they added another trigger button that was the "wavedash" button, I'd be fine with it.

[@Lin2Waterfall]

pacack824 No, people just want every possible exploit they can get to up there odds, instead of just playing. There are people that want to just play and enjoy, but when it comes to fighting games and you are a regular person trying to get into it and you face a more experienced person using short cuts and exploits it quickly becomes not fun and can turn a potential buyer off of purchasing the game, which is not good business.

[@Ddiaboloer]

Lin2Waterfall No, seriously we want movement options. Dash Dancing is all I ask for in Smash4

[@Lin2Waterfall]

anything for an edge in battle

[@Tommy9834]

I don't get why casuals have an issue with competitive players. Casuals will play the game for maybe a month and move on to a different game. Maybe pop it back every now and then to play with a friend maybe. Competitive players are the ones who are gonna stick with the game for months, maybe even years, mastering the game, and getting the most out of it, and yet, we're not the "real gamers", we're not the ones who really get the spirit of this game. Yea we care about winning, why? Cause being able to beat other GOOD players, is the result of our own efforts. It's not that we only care about winning, we care about getting good at a game, and higher the skill ceiling, the more we can improve. If you don't like these complicated maneuvers, and you don't want to put in the time to get better at a game, you don't want to get higher on the skill ceiling, Fine, that's cool. It's your copy of the game, you play it the way you want it, but then why get in the way of the people that do want to spend the time. And if your argument is "Well I don't think it's fair that if I run into someone who put in more time then I do in a game, that I have little to no chance at beating them", which if that is your argument, then I really don't know what to say cause, that's what the point of non co-op multiplayer is, to see who the BETTER, player is, in other words, who is more skilled, in other words, who put in more time. So I don't understand why casuals can't just play the game casually, and let the ones who want to get competitive be competitive. This game is the only game with a community where there is a Casual vs Competitive mindset. No other game has that.

[@kaihedgie]

Tommy9834 So in order to get good at a game, you have to break it. Exploiting the game physics and using glitches just to get to the top. "So I don't understand why casuals can't just play the game casually" Might have something to with the fact that casual players often bump into competitive players, then get smashed on by their ridiculous glitch exploitation, then no one has fun.

[@hoodoojim]

kaihedgie Glitch exploitation you say? Ignoring the fact that all the methods listed in the video were intended to be in the game, these "glitches" are widely available for all parties to use. If you choose to not use the "glitches" thats your problem. Just don't get mad when you lose to someone else who put more time in than you.

[@kaihedgie]

Consentrait Wavedashing was never meant to be in Melee as Sakurai stated. While he left it in there, he never even said it was a game mechanic or that it was even intended in the first place. "Just don't get mad when you lose to someone else who put more time in than you." Sorry, but I put more time in to having fun playing the game as it is, rather than having to cut more than half the gameplay out just to be "good" at it.

[@hoodoojim]

kaihedgie Sakurai left it in the game. It is a game mechanic. No one has to explicitly state that it is a game mechanic. Whether or not it was intended to be there (which obviously it was since Sakurai noticed it, and decided not to take it out) is irrelevant. But I will note you cant say that it was never intended to be there if the developers, given the option to take it out, decide not to. Even If I grant you that, the other things mentioned still aren't "glitches" as you called them. Besides. It's not like they have an unfair advantage. You are perfectly capable performing the techniques as well. Anywho, you're perfectly fine playing the game , having fun how you like, there's no reason to talk down to competitive players, who are having fun challenging themselves, getting better, and socializing in the community. Might not be fun to you, but people get off on this stuff. But I dont really care about competitive Smash too much, but I respect other people do. I'm just here til Guilty Gear comes out if I'm being honest.

[@kaihedgie]

Consentrait A game "mechanic" that was completely unintended, incredibly obscure and requires exploitation to pull off, then had to be removed in later installments. Sorry, but I simply don't buy that based on looking at Sakurai's wording a certain way to support this

[@ados1280]

I'm actually happy that Brawl exists, even though I hate it personally. It introduced many new players to the smash community, which is what the point of it was. I feel that Smash 4, is the perfect balance of Casual and Core, you can play it either way, and it is fun. Another interesting thing about Smash 4 is that it seems that every character has their own Advanced Techniques, rather than everyone sharing all of the Advanced Techniques, which makes learning a character more difficult and fun. Smash 4 is amazing and is easily the best in my opinion, followed by Melee.

[@Ddiaboloer]

DeathThePlague Smash4 is a horrible competitive game. The only way to enjoy it is to be a terrible casual

[@ados1280]

Ddiaboloer The game is so new that who can really say? It took Melee a while to have its competitive scene grow and bloom the way it did. And Brawl, as bad of a competitive game it was, still had a competitive scene reguardless. It will probably take time, but I think that there will be future advanced techniques that will help the competitive scene for Smash 4.

[@Ddiaboloer]

DeathThePlague Advance techniques don't help a broken game, look at Brawl! It has more advanced techs than any smash game but it is still the worst and Smash4 is just Brawl without the techniques anyways

[@ados1280]

Ddiaboloer I'm pretty sure Melee had more advanced techs, cause I thought Brawl had all of the advanced techs from Melee except it was missing, L-Cancelling, Wave Dashing, and Dash Dancing, I might be forgetting something though. Like I said before, Smash 4 is still pretty new, and new advanced techs are being discovered bit by bit. You can't say that it doesn't have any, when it does. Again, as bad as brawl was, it still had a competitive scene. At least Smash 4 doesn't have that stupid random tripping.

[@Ddiaboloer]

DeathThePlague Brawl in fact has far more advanced tech since it is a broken game. Stuff like DACUS. momentum canceling, B-reversals, Wavebounces, platform canceling, Reverse aerial rushes, Glide tossing, jab locks and so much more

[@Batmayne]

I swear the internet is the worst representative of the Smash community, but it's the easiest place to see it. Casual players? Cool. Do you. Have fun. Competitive? Cool. Have fun. Hope you do good. Shitting on other people because they enjoy playing a different way/game than you? Nah. Stop. We're playing the same series of games, we shouldn't have so many sub-communities (including Project M). I personally play competitive but was one of the most casual people for smash for the longest & thought competitive play was cool as hell for any game I played that happened to have a competitive scene. tl;dr: respect each other pls

[@matchanavi]

I don't think that many people will see this but I completely agree with you.

[@josiahweber6121]

This guy gets it!

[@henrybrave2972]

Finally a safe haven from this flame war!

[@mini-conlongarm8021]

Good on ya. I just wanna get this out of the way: Brawl is not better than Smash 4, Melee is not better than Brawl, and 64 is not better than Melee. They all have their strengths and weaknesses and are constantly evolving.

[@henrybrave2972]

like smash 4 which doesn't even have a tier list yet!

[@Dracomut]

One of the things I love most about Smash Bros: its trying to destroy the barrier between competitive and causal play

[@BranFlaixx]

Yes yes yes yes yes YES YES YES A MILLION TIMES YES!! I love that about it too.

[@Dracomut]

***** Not being sarcastic at all

[@Sk0rchy]

What

[@Dracomut]

***** Neither, because those sides really don't exist.

[@Kentama]

***** Uhhh... casual = "For Fun", competitive = "For Glory". What you're saying might have been true for Brawl, but it's not really the case in Smash 4.

[@SparkyDaHedgehog]

Anyone who really does hate Brawl just because wave dashing was taken out is kinda just being grumpy. Brawl was a great game for a lot of reasons other than physics. Not saying it was better than Melee, not saying Melee was better either. I really don't consider any Smash game better than the others: they all have their own unique features and are awesome because of it. The Melee-superiority mindset does bug me, though. But that's the fans, not the game's fault.

[@BlueRupees]

Not just wavedashing. Tripping, slow movements, floaty falls. Lots of aspects didn't hold a torch to Melee.

[@SparkyDaHedgehog]

And? Still doesn't mean Brawl didn't have a lot of cool stuff in it. More character variety, less direct clone characters, more stages to choose from, stage builder, an expanded adventure mode turned story mode, and (for what it was worth) online play. But that still doesn't mean Melee isn't great too. It's got some characters that are pretty much exclusive to the game, adventure mode is awesome, it handles break the targets better, and getting all the trophies is a much less tedious process. I don't want to argue a side, I just want people to stop fighting over which is better, and realize that all Smash bros are fantastic and have things that they do the best.

[@SparkyDaHedgehog]

chrisall76 Exactly. Brawl was good for a lot of reasons, even though it wasn't as great for a competition setting. Sure there was a competitive scene for a time, but it wasn't nearly as strong as Melee has proved to be. Still, Brawl is awesome in many other ways.

[@drinkmug]

HDShadow Don't forget airdodging 13 frames in hitstun, and attacking soon afterwards, (i.e. combos removed). Brawl is cool, but it isn't as deep as Melee, it just isn't.

[@swooty941]

SparkyDaHedgehog Sure, but you have to understand people play the game for different reasons. Competitive players enjoy the sheer depth and skill ceiling of the game, which is hindered with brawl's changes. Plus, brawl is much more boring to watch at a high level

[@Garbagehead5]

The comments in this thread literally gave me cancer. So much blind hatred and ignorance towards a community which is actually pretty cool.

[@Ddiaboloer]

Pretty cool? Explain

[@Garbagehead5]

Watch "The Smash Brothers" documentary

[@Ddiaboloer]

Kiddy Dong I am directly part of the community. I just want to know why you say blind hated is cool?

[@Garbagehead5]

I guess it was bad phrasing. I'll try again: "So much blind hatred and ignorance towards a pretty cool community"

[@Ddiaboloer]

Kiddy Dong Sorry I messed up. I didn't read it correctly. Haha You are right though, the competitive community is pretty cool. Unfortunately smash is the only series that has a casual elitist fan base. Any elitism is bad but casual elitism is the worst. Why can't they just accept that Smash can be played different ways by different people?

[@Connor-rs1uu]

I'm a competitive Melee player. I'll tell you this: there's one thing that separates a casual player (I don't mean that offensively) and a competitive player, and that would be the desire to win. Ever since Elementary school, I've been the best gamer in my class. I'd beat everyone at Mario Kart, or any multiplayer DS game pretty much. The reason why was because I had a desire to win, not everyone has that in video games. I honestly believe that's why competitive people are who they are, they have a desire to win. They want to be able to practice a game...A LOT...and play their friends, crush them, and see fruit from there practicing, not play the game a lot, and watch as some game mechanic, let's say items, gets in the way on their crusade for glory. There's nothing wrong with casual play, but I just wanted to represent the competitive side and their reasoning for wanting competitive techniques. I was a causal brawl player, still wanting to crush my friends, when I saw competitive brawl, I then found PM, then Melee. It fascinated me, from then on I saw another way to play, it felt so good learning all those techniques and watching fruit bear from my practice. Thanks for readin'.

[@Luigi-ih5mp]

Damn right I'm the wave dash king.

[@Luigi-ih5mp]

Well was

[@cheese98god]

didn't matter how good you were at wave dashing. You still were too sucky to be used by most competitive Melee players. But don't feel bad I'll use you (in MK anyway :I)

[@Mad_Ice_King]

Luigi Always a bridesmaid, never a bride. La~li~lu~le~lo.

[@Sygmus6]

J Barwick There are some amazing Luigi players out there though. He's certainly not bad.

[@karakoko]

J Barwick abate, blea and vist are luigi gods in melee

[@TehDeiddmage]

YES! showing advance play might increase the competitive side of smash!

[@fifthace2247]

If either of these techniques are possible in 3DS, count me in. I see 3DS and WiiU as the definitive versions, with the most balanced roster and Form stages for those 'No items fox only final destination' people.

[@SoulBankai]

Exactly, the scene continues to grow here in Colorado. I hope more people pick up the game, though Sm4sh doesn't have as much advanced tech as melee or PM, at least from what it feels like currently.

[@tjlnintendo]

Silent Huntsman the techniques are not in the new smash games.

[@fifthace2247]

tjlnintendo Damn. Oh well, I'll still play competitive Smash.

[@Yzerbruh]

Silent Huntsman Wait, you find Smash 4 to have the most balanced roster? I can only agree if it's the kind of balance that you see in DotA 2, where every character is so overpowered that it balances itself out, because as far as I know, nearly every character has infinite combo potential.

[@NickBeebe]

Honestly, I do think its a shame than Sakurai removed a lot of these techniques. Not because "Melee is the Best" or that they are "Necessary to make a Smash game fun". It's because they add another level of depth to explore to the game that you love. I had been blissfully unaware to all of these techniques about a year ago. Until I stumbled across "The Smash Brothers" documentary that showcased the competitive scene. It made me go to a local tournament because at the time I considered myself a really good player. (Oh, Was I Wrong!) Simply put I got demolished. But the community was really supportive. I was invited over to learn new tech and be coached on where I went wrong. Which felt impossible at the time but after hours of practice I got it down. I started learning new combos making my own and the game felt fresh again. This new play style was never to down play the enjoyment I had when I played casually but to breath new life into one of my favorite games of all time. I just wish more people could experience that with games they love too.

[@brightnoa21]

Dude that's a great story. People seem to neglect just how inclusive the competitive scene actually is. Many people want to make up their own demons about the competitive scene but in all honesty, they're just a group of people looking to have fun by taking their game to the next level. Everyone is welcome to that fun, no exceptions.

[@lionohday5197]

That's exactly like how it is with pokemon! Pokemon seems like a simple RPG mon game but has very deep mechanics that govern it. Learning those mechanics can make the game feel more intense and interesting. Unlike Sakurai game freak has helped nurture this play style ( by making it a lot easier to control and observe these mechanics. )

[@matthewzakrzewski1797]

I honestly don't get what sakurai meant by a skill gap. So what if there is one? Isn't the point of a fighting game to "git gud"? You're supposed to take a loss in stride, to learn from it. Instead of complaining to a superior player who knows how to tech or saying he's just exploiting the game, as him to teach you. Isn't the point of a game to improve?

[@matthewzakrzewski1797]

The thing is, that IS how I have fun with the game. Me and my friends and the great portion of competitive players have fun by learning new techs and using the skill that we learned to best the skill of our opponents. Even if we lose, we take it in stride, laugh it off and get better. I apologize if my comment sounded harsh initially, but no one seems to even think that people who play competitively have fun while they do it. I personally have tons of fun.

[@matthewzakrzewski1797]

***** So you'd prefer to fight something like a level 3? Something with no challenge?

[@matthewzakrzewski1797]

***** I'm sorry, but I don't. I'm just trying to understand here. Would you prefer to fight an opponent who you can defeat with a slight struggle, or someone you can insta kill with an item or something?

[@BlueCrystal004]

***** What? So wait, we have fun with the game because we play it competitively, correct? And you have fun by not doing that... So... we can't play the game because you want to have fun? That's your logic. Also, your analogy to Smash 4 intensity is completely stupid, because you are making the game give you easier opponents, while online or in real life, you're going to run into people who body you. You aren't just entitled to have average opponents in a mode where anyone can play against you (actually, making a mode where you are matched with opponents who have similar records to you would be a fucking amazing idea). Sometimes I like to play with 3 other people with pokeballs and stuff, that's also super fun. But the fact that you are calling competitive play "not fun" really ticks me off.

[@YightLagami]

Don't try to understand Sakurai lol. Most casual players wouldn't have cared anyway if it came back

[@colinies]

FANTASTIC VIDEO! Hope more people understsan tournament play better instead of just assuming that "They are breaking the game it was never intended blah blah blah" Us competitive players arent hurting you so stop complaining that people want to be good at the game.

[@1ard]

you seem to forget that the casuals wouldn't bother you if you didn't try and tell them how to play.. or that there play style is wrong (by "you" i am meaning general competitive players) i doubt any casuals care enough about competitive scenes to go out of there way to condemn them. from what ive seen its some melee fan boy condemning newer installments for some small feature being removed instead of reworking their strategy to accompany the new mechanics and then the casuals say it doesn't matter or claim your breaking the game and blah blah blah you know how it goes. you act as if you guys are the victims when the bad eggs in your community started the fight. i love smash and i understand the game can be both competitive and casual .. but the competitive players keep whining while the casuals just like arguing. i don't care how you play the game just play what you like and stop condemning people for liking brawl or the newest one. they are all fantastic games on there own.. whether its good for competition is another story but not everyone cares about the competitive scene.

[@FyrenRei]

***** competitive players tried to give more people the sense of skill, you never felt that after landing a good falcon punch or falcon knee?, though none of us are forcing anyone to do it too, is just good to be aware that this is possible since it wont be fun if you play agianst a dude that is shining the fuck out of you and you dont know how to deal with it. Also you are totally wrong about not many people caring for the competitive scene, melee had a lot of people supporting the game to made it to Evo2014 and it did, it had a lot of support and that shit had more hype on Evo2014 than the main street fighter tournament!

[@1ard]

Minato Arisato as i said iam fine with people wanting to play it competitively my problem is those competitive players saying brawl is terrible and anyone who plays it is autistic merely for the fact that a few features were removed or reworked to make it more friendly to newcomers. clearly people care about competitive play... i wasn't arguing that. what i was saying was if other players care they will seek that information out or come across it(my apologies for not being more clear). however for those that just want to have fun its kind of silly to force your play style on someone else. when they had no problem with they way brawl or the 3ds version works to begin with. my problem is these competitive players saying "this game sucks because it doesn't cater to my very specific needs therefore no one else should like it ether". if you want to say brawl isn't good for competitive then i agree. but the problem is you people say it sucks because it falls short in that very small portion of the fan base, when the only thing that should matter is weather it is fun to play and before you say the competitive scene isn't small, proportional to the full fan base it is pretty small.

[@Gore6194ever]

Minato Arisato He didnt say "not many" He said not EVERYONE

[@1ard]

Gore6194ever thank you. :)

[@lunethspark]

how the hell does the N64 one run at 60 frames

[@VorpalTiger]

because it just does. the gameboy games ran at 60 frames as well

[@colinies]

System optimization, Nintendo devoloped games have always done it so well

[@wolfgang169]

It was back when developers actually cared about the products they were making. Now all they care about is making money.

[@moneyboyok]

wolfgang169 Graphics* i don't know how making a game 30 fps makes more money it is just that companies care alot more abot graphics now (starting to change with this generation).

[@oxycominum]

This passage in the video made me google FPS for retro consoles. Turns out the NES can do 60 FPS... How is this even an issue for modern gaming?? By the way: Every Console seems tobe able to do at least 60 fps but many had demanding software. For example the PS1 ran most games on 24 fps. pretty shitty when I think about it.

[@kelinjohnson7421]

when you said 60fps my ps4 shut off.

[@dousalproductions6152]

TheGiftedKJ32090 HAIL GABEN

[@RealBenDufresne]

I like how it says wavedashing may give some characters an unfair advantage over others and then shows Luigi (longest wavedash) wavedashing in towards Peach (shortest wavedash) even though Peach destroys Luigi

[@ballzofSteel02]

What with these casual smash players getting upset over competitive smash players? It not like a competitive smash player want to play with a casual. No wonder shigeru miyamoto calls you casual pathetic.

[@Katojana]

Where does he say that? Link pls?

[@Link24a]

Katojana Aleksielsis www.technobuffalo.com/2014/08/31/nintendos-miyamoto-talks-passive-attitude-of-casual-gamers-its-a-pathetic-thing/

[@keeponrockin999]

Link24 That was completely out of context if that's what the original guy was referring to. He's talking about people who bought the Wii because of Wii fit and the sports games only.

[@RoninCatholic]

What's with these "competitive" "high-level" players talking down to and thinking less of people who want to use features intentionally placed in a game like items, half the character roster, and 3/4 of the stages while not understanding how to leverage obscure glitches to our advantage?

[@jubjub1114]

Nathan Karr Wavedashing and L cancelling are not glitches, they were intentional parts of the game. Also, many stages have stage hazards, and items are unpredictable. When there's luck in competitive play, it makes the game less deep. In fact, back in the day, competitive smash players on the west coast used to play with items, and you know what happened? A guy who usually places top 10 got 2nd one time, 15th the next, 11th the next, 32nd the next, etc. When inconsistent results are occurring it means that luck is playing too much of a part.

[@ElderGodPodcast]

Don't know why some people have to be so anti competitive

[@fatbluewaffle]

For the same reason competitive players are so anti casual play. In short there's no point in bitching about on how other people play, just play in the way that's fun for you and don't worry about nobody but yourself.

[@Skullivon]

ArcticKomodo They're both fun, for different people. Otherwise, we wouldn't be having this discussion.

[@OreallyR17]

..that feel when I fall somewhere in the middle. So my casual friends don't want to play with me because I always beat them. And my competitive friends kick my ass, so I don't want to play with them...

[@RunsWithKniefs]

Game was meant for happy happy fun time with friends. BUUUUUUUTTTT Games are inherently competitive and being the best is always there and many chose to become competitive People who just want to play the game for fun just still want to play for fun. The vicious cycle comes from that people who play for fun can't do so because of competitive players and vice versa. I stay away from Smash because of this...I suck too much to be competitive so I just avoid the argument all together, and ironically play Street Fighter instead.

[@flashburn117]

***** I'd say it's because a lot of casual players don't want to know that there is so much more to the games that their playing because then they think there are players being held above them because god forbid they put a conscious effort to try to get good at the game. I mean, no one wants to know they aren't as good as someone else, but I've heard people complain that games that are competitive are "too hard." And then for vice versa, Competitive players think casual players are the reason why our competitive games are getting dumbed down and ruined and to be honest, that's not completely false.

[@Flowboat]

People don't hate Brawl because things were removed, they hate it because those things were removed specifically to hinder their personal preference of playing because they "weren't playing the game correctly." That's like if they removed multiplayer from Halo because people play it more than the campaign mode.

[@Flowboat]

***** Okay? Then practice and get good (no memes intended.) It's no different than any traditional game or sport, like boxing. People with more skill win, and people with less skill lose.

[@Flowboat]

***** People who play casually don't compete in tournaments, which, _surprisingly,_ is where all of the advanced techniques are used.

[@Flowboat]

***** No? There are plenty of people who play Melee for fun. And if you don't like the community, then don't play with them. Like how casual Melee players don't play with tournament-level Melee players. I hope you understand how hypocritical your argument is.

[@Flowboat]

***** They knew wavedashing was in the game before they released it. And even still, refer to my original comment. I should be able to play however I want if I'm not hacking. An entire community blossomed from these exploits that added depth to the gameplay. But instead of nurturing this community, Sakurai said "REEEEE FUCKING TOURNEYFAGS THAT'S NOT HOW YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO PLAY" and almost killed that community off for a time. Now think of it the opposite way. Instead of Sakurai making the game easier, what if he made the skill ceiling much higher, and fleshed out wavedashing and L-cancelling and stuff like that in Brawl? It would kill off the casual seen, and casuals would be pissed that they couldn't play the way they wanted to because that's not how Sakurai thinks they should.

[@Flowboat]

***** >multiplayer games the only factors that skill should determine are suppused to be intentional Says who? >And I don't think that Sakurai "killed" the community Yes, he did. People saw that he didn't like them and said "Fuck this, I want new characters." and quit playing, and the seen was dead for a while. >if he wants people to play his game the way he wants them to, then it's his decision. No, it isn't. I payed for the game. I should be able to play however I want.

[@ruekurei88]

It wasn't until years after I discovered how many salty Melee players there were cursing Sakurai's name and labeling him incompetent. I always found that funny. The places where I play I distinctly remember when wave dashing was introduced and everyone started using it, pretty much making it so only high level players were playing. It was almost the same thing in CVS2 where high level players in those were parrying and just defending while stringing up combos like noones business. I suppose it happens to all fighters eventually(where if you aren't great, don't bother because being good ain't good enough), and why fighting fans got so salty. Them wanting the game to be a fighting game, catering to more advanced techniques and knowing the ins and outs and exploits and the creator wanting a party which everyone enjoys, leveling the playing field for everyone.

[@acdlegend]

Anyone can play competitive melee, it's not hard, you just have to actually put in some time, effort, and love, crazy huh?

[@ruekurei88]

Acdlegend Well yes, and anyone can be as good as Leonardo da Vinci or Claudio Bravo if they put in time, effort and love crazy huh? Or maybe, just maybe, not everyone can be good at something the way others are.

[@Hawke90]

ruekurei88 You realize there are still skill gaps within competitive play. Of course not everyone who plays is going to be the best, that's a stupid way to think about it. Not one aspiring soccer player or aspiring painter thinks they will be one of the aforementioned examples, because the best are outliers. But with time/effort, it is possible to reach a respectable level of skill in any category.

[@ruekurei88]

Hawke90 "Of course not everyone who plays is going to be the best, that's a stupid way to think about it. " So point out to me where I said everyone who plays is going to be the best? That Acdlegend guy/girl was the one who implied that. My response was a sarcastic one. Because it seemed you entered this conversation with your own pre-conceived notions and didn't read anything I said. Read my original comment which said there was a obvious dichotomy between Smash fans, which exists between all fighting games eventually and that some would eventually be left out, and that has led to some players lashing out against Sakurai and labeling him incompetent where that was not his intended goal in the first place.

[@goodleshoes]

ruekurei88 Yes, people who put serious time and effort into doing something do better than the people who don't. You may not turn out to be the best in the world due to natural talent, but you're acting like talent is the only thing that matters. People suffer to be good at things, even Vinci.

[@SSBMFAITE]

"Let's remove wave dashing but also add in tripping."

[@TeknoorSTM]

lol

[@cjcskittlez]

Why doesn't Sakurai realize that it doesn't matter how big the gap gets between competitive and casual players. Mew2King ain't showin up to your nephews birthday party.

[@Klemes67]

As a Melee warrior, it's both funny and refreshing to see those super basic mechanics explained this way for people who aren't deep in smash.

[@Maronbeere]

All I learned was that crouch cancelling was a thing.

[@grandpagohan1]

Sigh. Reading these comments make me ashamed that I enjoy Smash. My only solace is that I'm neither a casual nor a competitive. The only thing important to me is that I have fun. And thank God, I'm blessed with both casual AND competitive friends who respect me and enjoy playing with me. And none of us feel the need to insult the others beyond some friendly smack-talk.

[@Ddiaboloer]

You are definitely a filthy casual. What you aren't is an elitist

[@grandpagohan1]

Ddiaboloer Really? Filthy Casual? *Yawn*. Next.

[@Ddiaboloer]

grandpagohan1 If you play Smash casually, you are by definition a casual.

[@grandpagohan1]

Ddiaboloer Indeed. But that doesn't make me filthy. I'm proud to be a casual. I don't have to worry about memorizing and timing. So don't call me filthy. I don't care for that.

[@Ddiaboloer]

***** "I'm neither a casual nor a competitive" He specifically denied he is a casual when he clearly is. He isn't just a filthy casual, he is also an idiot.

[@Porygonal64]

I honestly hate GameCube purists. I mean, the GCN is a great system with a lot of wasted potential, and it's my favorite Nintendo Console of all, but seriously, if you hate a game just because it removes an exploit that puts you on an unfair advantage above others is just sickening.

[@Porygonal64]

>Makes comment about GameCube purists >Gets so much hate from GameCube purists that I have to disable comments Thanks for proving my point, guys.

[@chcoman123]

Haven't looked at as single comment yet, but after watching the video, all I can say is...LET THE FLAME WARS COMMENCE!

[@NekkedHippie]

Man the trebuchet! Fire up the wiki! They've already reached the gates!

[@Chaos89P]

**installs flame shields on the parapets**

[@SchAlternate]

And as I expected, the comment section is a war zone. Man, this community is all about taking one side and give hell the other, huh?

[@MajesticSpaceDuuck]

***** So it would seem....

[@faceurhell]

***** It's a nearly entirely one sided war sadly my friend. I can't think of any competitive player who hates on casuals, lol. It's the weirdest thing. You think the better players would bully on the weaker ones, like how the strong jocks beat up on the more fragile nerds, especially since uhhh a lot of competitive smashers are in pretty good physical shape (trust me, I'm one of them. Some top players are really ripped).

[@EarthLordCJ]

"Community", rather. The sarcastic quotation marks are a necessity in this case. :P

[@CaptViewtiful98]

That's a big problem I have with the Gaming Community, we don't have to raise banners and call everyone else and idiot for having a different opinion.

[@Rubyfire41]

Johnknight1 The reason why casuals bash competitive players is because competitive players bash SSBB and SSB4 claiming that they're garbage( and on several occasions even go so far as to bash Sakurai).

[@HugoGonzalez-yt6rv]

Came in to say this was a great video. Sad that even something as even-keel and informational as this would bring out the hatred of people who deliberately choose to not understand why others enjoy high level play.

[@OtakuUnitedStudio]

I'm not saying it's justified, because it isn't. But that's not the reason. It's because in most fighting games, a novice can occasionally get lucky and win against a better player. But the competitive scene for Melee more or less requires learning what is basically a glitch that requires dexterity even other fighting games don't. This makes less experienced players feel excluded, especially when the only advice they get for their trouble is "git gud." There's also the removal of items so that the game is "entirely skill based and not random", but I see that as a limitation because it means you never learn to deal with unexpected situations. Regardless, there shouldn't be so much malice. And later games in the series are a bit better balanced. But the people who want to play Melee like chess, with set strategies and not risking a bob-omb spawning right when they attack should be allowed to.

[@GeekCritique]

Hey, I just finished up a Smash Bros. retrospective series on my own channel, so it's good to see DYKG putting out some more in-depth content like this, too. I approve of this style, and I wouldn't mind more videos that cover more than just mere trivia. Presenting technical info like this in an easy-to-digest format would definitely be valuable.

[@hgmpd43]

Saying the new smash sucks because of no wave dashing or l-canceing is like saying a street fighter game would be terrible without the bonus stages

[@Skullivon]

That... That statement makes no sense. Bonus stages aren't a core mechanic of the game which add considerable depth to competition. There are legitimate arguments for the removal of L-cancelling, since lowering landing lag across the board would achieve almost the same effect, but wavedashing is a good thing. Smash 4 doesn't suck as a result of not having these things, but it would arguably be all the richer for their inclusion.

[@hgmpd43]

Kally Wally Dude.ı was speaking metaphoricly about the street fighter bonus stage thing.I meant that just because a game doesnt have something it always had.Doesnt mean it is bad,i could argue that wave dashing doesnt really add that much to the game but..that wasnt what isaid in the first place,so.Meh

[@Fayt540]

Actually, it's more like saying street fighter would suck without being able to perform any combos.

[@hgmpd43]

Firion Salamand That would be too extreme,wave dashing or l-canceling wasnt THAT important.Street fighter without combos would be pit fighter........

[@Ddiaboloer]

Kerem Seyran All street fighters have automatic L-canceling and believe me, ALL SF's would suck with landing lag if they had it. Also Wavedashing is also in Teken and Marvel VS Capcom series

[@MHaCLeaf]

I'd like to see a part 2 of the Tech Play special featuring a famous competitive Smash Player (ex. M2K, Mang0, ZeRo, etc.)

[@GoTELuckyCharms]

hell Armada would be great too

[@MHaCLeaf]

Sam Felix He'd work too!

[@whitenun]

I never knew there were formal names or anything for these moves, I just sort of did them.Then moving into Brawl, none of my friends believed when I said, "it just doesn't feel as smooth. There is something missing" Thanks for making me feel not so crazy about that

[@Ddiaboloer]

Well to be fair, Brawl feels really slow and awkward compared to Melee even without AT's

[@JagGentlemann]

So everything is called "something cancelling" because it sounds rad and kool.

[@fishfillet5555]

They had to named it something because there were no actual names for them so they named the moves by what they do. L Cancel is cancelling the lag you get when you land.

[@JagGentlemann]

TheLastMaxist L-cancelling has an official name, Smooth landing.

[@eth102]

***** But no one knew what to call it at the time, thus got that name.

[@SonofSparda-ee2tz]

This video literally inspires me to get into competitive play for Smash

[@PillowcaseSSB]

Welcome!

[@BlueCrystal004]

Honestly, like, where do competitive players tell casuals that they're playing the game wrong or whatnot? Like, all I see are casuals saying "competitive play sucks" or "it wasn't intended to be played this way" (like fuck the way it was intended to be played), and competitive players defending their stances. Honestly, it's not a warzone so much as a one-sided massacre. Like, show me instances of the competitive players/scene telling casuals that they suck because they play the game casually. I've seen ONE person throughout this whole comment section who has even called someone a filthy casual, and they've admitted to just liking people getting angry. This whole "war zone" bullshit needs to stop, because it just isn't back and forth. Don't get me wrong, there are a bunch of casuals here defending the competitive scene, but the elitist casuals far outnumber the elitist competitive players.

[@ciarankelly3726]

BlueCrystal004 Ddiaboler is a troll, but sooooo many people still take the bait. Its hilarious.

[@BlueCrystal004]

Ciarán Kelly are you on ifunny by the name of "BackAirsForDays" by any chance?

[@ciarankelly3726]

BlueCrystal004 no sorry

[@supersonicstep]

Usually the Players that makes fun of casual players are "Competitive players" and i use quotes because in reality there no diffrent then the casual player but need a special snowflake title under their name, Casuals get the wrong idea of competitive players because of the "Competitive players" Because in reality real competitive players love having casual players around, it helps us relax and have fun(Not to say competitive players get board in tournaments its still fun is just having casuals around brings a family of friends together by just throwing a bomb at somebodys face with a old fasion all items)so in response to "Competitive players" casuals bash competitive play all because of the Special Snowflakes.

[@TX_LoveGame]

Guess I'll throw my two cents out there too. I personally like *all* Smash titles, Yes, even Brawl. The competitive aspect of each game isn't the only deciding factor on which one I like better. Yes, I prefer Melee (almost equally to Smash 4 now tbh) the most, though if I had to pick, I'd stay with PM because Melee has bad character balance (admittedly so does Brawl), but if we're sticking with "official" games, I'd say Melee. But here's the thing: I preferred it LONG before I got into competitive play. Maybe it's years of bias because I main Mewtwo and Roy, but I definitely missed them in Brawl. I actually didn't get into competitive Smash til the start of this year. If you think competitive play, advanced techs, and evolution of the metagame "ruins" Smash, you are objectively wrong. There's no questioning that. Beyond the obvious fact that no one's forcing you to play competitively, the fact of the matter is, if you play a game enough and love it enough, you'll want to take it further and learn that type of thing and enter tournaments, etc. Maybe that's just my mindset. It just makes things more fun and interesting. I don't even mind playing casually with items and such on with friends; us competitive heads don't completely deplore that type of gameplay. Don't tell us to "move onto Street Fighter" or whatever. If you want to stay in happy fun casual land where everybody wins, so be it, but don't act like we're not playing the game right.

[@jacklloyd2630]

Omg someone making sense. Its a miracle!

[@elgatochurro]

but that skill gap should come from skill, not exploit knowledge. the competitive smash scene is nothing more than wannabes that know how to ruin a good game. their fun is through victory, no longer the game. their gameplay is in using the bugs in the game to gain an advantage. and from what i can see here, i see no one claiming to be hardcore that is actually happy that the game has undergone much needed balancing issues, exploit prevention, and more. if you compare smash's competitive scene to others like csgo and tf2, you'll see that those people aren't looking for little exploits for their advantages.

[@TX_LoveGame]

elgatochurro "...and casual Smash players are nothing more than elitists who feel entitled and think their game should be played a certain way by everyone!" ^See, I can generalize a large group too! It doesn't look any better, does it? On the contrary, competitive Smashers are some of the nicest, most social people you'll meet. I'm becoming a big part of the Waco scene lately, and I've already befriended about twenty people through it. And that's just people I know IRL. Don't even get me started on internet friends. Don't tell me that our fun is only through victory. Some of the best times we've had is laughing at ridiculous things that happen ingame like backwards grabs or dead weight KOs. Sometimes we'll actually pause the game just to laugh. Yeah, you'll have the odd one out who comes in and claims they can beat everybody, but it's so rare and it's something that happens in *all* gaming communities. Some hardcore Melee-heads hate Smash 4 and refuse to give it a chance. So what? Fuck 'em. Smash 4 is awesome and I can't wait to attend tournaments for it. Lastly, advanced techniques are *not* bugs. This is fact. I won't discuss it further. You, sir, are heavily misinformed.

[@Chrzeh]

elgatochurro To be honest no one give a shit about your unwritten laws as to playing a game "properly" with "real skill." If you have a problem with it host your own tournament that bans ATs. See how many people show up and how many stream views you get.

[@elgatochurro]

***** to be honest, thats not how anyone who is civilized and honorable starts out a reply.

[@Vigilanteblade]

The sad part about Mr. Sakurai is that his removal of advanced techniques did not really matter in terms of leveling the playing field. Pros play together and party smashers play together. All it did was harm part of the community while providing no actual improvements to the other. With proper online matchmaking, there's no reason why online wouldn't be properly leveled either.

[@LexStormA]

Melee fanboys need to understand that making a super competetive Smash Bros. game is not Nintendo's big focus any more. It may have been back with Melee itself, but it's obvious with brawl and the newly released Smash game that they're no longer worried about that. No amount of bitching from them is going to change that because melee fans are a minority, and making a game specifically for them would probably cause regular gamers (the ones that don't devote their lives to a single video game) to lose interest, meaning they'd lose sales. They should just move on and play Street Fighter 4, MvC 3 or any other fighter game meant for competetive play, because right now they're doing nothing more but being annoying unlikable assholes.

[@davjags]

Ur right, I'll stop playing a game I like and go onto a game I don't like cuz it's suppose to be played that way! That's not how people work dude, if someone likes a game, they have the right to play it anyway they want. Any game that pits one against another will be competitive, whether people like it or not, and people will try to make it as fair as possible if they care enough about it. Spewing that playing a certain way is better and everyone else is dumb is immature and outright wrong, whether that person is a competitive player, or a casual. I don't support melee players saying casuals suck and I don't like casuals saying melee players are "tourneyfags."

[@BlueRupees]

It doesn't matter. If the game isn't competitive, we got Melee and Project M. Telling Smash pros to go to SF of MvC is like telling someone who like Burnout to play Grand Turismo. Totally different games.

[@Kentama]

Actually, I think Smash 4 is highly designed to be competitive. I mean, Nintendo even sponsored a national tournament I think the day after the 3DS version released. Most people in the Smash community agree that Smash 4 is the most balanced entry in the series that's been released yet. Granted, it's nowhere near as fast or technical as Melee, but I think Nintendo at last finally supports the idea of Smash being played at a competitive level, evidenced not just from their laser-focus on balanced game mechanics and tournament support, but also in all of the modes they've provided in Smash 4 (like For Glory) that are specifically tailored for the competitive community.

[@ballzofSteel02]

Yeah that why a smash bros tournament was at E3 this years cause nintendo doesn't care...OH WAIT THEY DID!!

[@opplerdop]

Melee is a better fighting game than USF4 and UMVC3, though

[@HolyAarom]

hey guys who wants to play coin battle

[@Thunder_Mlee]

+HolyAarom Can we play the IRL version? I need to pay for Christmas gifts :(

[@weebovv3176]

+HolyAarom U better set it to 99:00 minutes.

[@evantalley5354]

Yuck

[@aghkid]

lets play TIMED

[@Superkidra]

+Neon Leon Timed is actually great for FFAs. I'm not sure if you've seen any side events at tourneys feature 3-way battles and the sort, but when you know how to exploit the game, stock can ruin any type of battle that isn't 1v1 or doubles.

[@SlayersoftheGame]

Ugh these comments tho First of all, no one really cares if your casual or competitive. People are treating it like they are being segregated for sexual orientation or something when really its not that big of a deal. Second of all, Sm4sh was the game that introduced me to the competitive scene. Starting with 3DS I realized that 90% of the stages were bad, and some items were just completely broken (COUGH COUGH BEETLE AND GUST BELLOWS.) As well as the only 1v1 mode being For Glory, and how my brother was much too busy to play as frequently I need that. Thats how I went competitive. Sm4sh is currently my favorite in the series for being a blend of Brawl and Melee, at least in my opinion. I felt it was less clunky then the past 3 generations, they fixed a lot of things (Edge guarding ._.) and almost all of the characters are unique and have their own play style. Customs, although I am not a fan of, do add another layer of depth to play styles. Third of all, can we stop? Like really? This series was intentionally a party game, Like Mario Party and Mario Kart. It just so happened to go competitive. Who cares if you play with items? Who cares if you only play certain stages? Newsflash though, you are a douchebag if you degrade one another for playing a certain way in a video game. People need to grow up >.>

[@GameFreak64101]

actually, 64 is a blend of Melee and Brawl, Smash 4 has no blend

[@GhabulousGhoti]

+SlayersoftheGame For what its worth, few competitive players actually attack casuals for playing with items on. Generally, its a small group of what I'm going to dub "casual elitists" that attack competitive players for no reason and start arguments with them. Not all casuals are like this, but most Smash fights I've seen came from a casual criticizing a competitive player.

[@CloneLoli]

+Ghabulous Ghoti Yeah, it generally feels that way. I don't like how people view each other in some cases though, I hated that if you were competitive then You didn't like fun and if You liked playing casually then You were just bad. I like competitive smash more than casual but I love playing casually to.

[@GhabulousGhoti]

Swift_Heracross Calling it Sm4sh is a normal way to shorten it, and "Tr4sh" is kind of a joke that got out of hand. Most people calling it that are just trying to get a reaction out of you.

[@GameFreak64101]

Ghabulous Ghoti you know what's even shorter than Sm4sh? SSB4.

[@ElGordoBandito]

Duuuuude, Mew2king though, he's scary good.

[@TeknoorSTM]

don't forget other Smashers.....hes not the best

[@Ddiaboloer]

Teknoor A He is the best smasher, just not the VERY BEST at Melee now. He is still the top ranking between 3-5 in the past year

[@TeknoorSTM]

yeah i know he is ONE of the best , i don't think hes the best doe

[@Ddiaboloer]

Teknoor A He is the best officially because he is the highest ranking player over all smash games. He is in the top 5 for Project M, Melee and Brawl while still one of the best for Smash 64. Smash 4 is to early to rank a top 10 best players but if we were to M2K would be in it

[@MrPokepen]

I don't care what anyone says about m2k, he is better then Mang0. Mang0 is only at the biggest tourneys

[@JManthegamerdude]

Yooooooo....ain't you the Smash academy guy?

[@taichilli1072]

JManthegamerdude yes he is. Yungtown also makes raps...

[@cyberworld9000]

Simply play what ever smash you like, and play it however you want. Who cares if someone doesn't like or respect the game you play? IT DOESNT MATTER, PLAY YOUR WAY. :)

[@Mattekken]

OMG ES

[@therapeface4153]

But what if someone wants Roy to be their boy but also like Ike?

[@Mattekken]

The Rape Face *cough cough* Project m * cough *

[@therapeface4153]

Simply_Matt But thats Brawl. but its modded for melee... OW MAH GASH MELEE PLAS BRAWL

[@Mattekken]

The Rape Face doesn't change fact that it's a perfect blend between brawl And melee.

[@WillieDangerously]

I have been playing competitive smash for a little bit now, and I can say this is a fantastic introductory video to explain some of the more advanced tech of melee. Good job. Also if you are interested in covering smash 4 tech as well, consider touching on perfect pivoting.

[@randyrodriguez2014]

This was VERY informative. Especially since I'm starting to get into competitive smash.

[@Helmslock]

are you going to try smash 4? :)

[@randyrodriguez2014]

Yes sir. I tried competitive smash for the first time at Apex. It didn't go so well.

[@Helmslock]

Randy Rodriguez keep trying and you are going to get good my friend :)

[@Sweep_Talk]

God fucking dammit people. Can I ever go into the comment section without seeing some sort of flame war going on? What is this deal with people thinking that there is only one way to play Smash and one way to have fun? If you're a casual and mess around with your friends, that's fine. If you're a competitive player who competes in tournaments and uses advanced techniques, that's also fine. Why should it matter how others play the game? Don't like the way competitive players play the game? Don't play that way. No one is forcing you to play that way. Same goes for the competitive players. *Play the game the way YOU want to play.* That's the true joy of Smash. You can do almost whatever you please. Whether the series was intended to be a party game or not doesn't matter. If people play the game in their own crazy way and they're having fun, then leave them be. The game did its job, to entertain the player. In short, it's okay to not like things. Just don't go around being an asshole to other players. Just have fun with this amazing series. Anyway, I'm done ranting. I'm gonna go play some Smash and have some fun.

[@Sweep_Talk]

Also, this was an awesome video. Keep up the great content. :)

[@Linkfan0001]

so far i've only seen the casuals complaining about high level mechanics being cheap...

[@neogeothomas8127]

Whenever I play video games, I don't care whether I'm playing competitively or casually. I just play video games simply to have fun.

[@fresh0885]

nobody cares about yours too, bitch

[@Liveandlearn789]

+Fresh 0 the salt is strong in this one

[@xythera]

the comment section is MEANT for opinions. jesus christ people

[@near4698]

AbdallahSmash026#1Fan why are getting so angry over a simple harmless comment?

[@Mario209Productions]

Same here. Sometimes.

[@Dr3am9553]

4:12 Fountain of Dreams has the second highest ceiling in game. You must have been holding up to die there at that percent

[@mae_lia]

my reaction exactly lol

[@TrueTrickster2016]

Never knew the smooth landing, and the others, except for Wave-Dashing, I knew long ago.

[@MJLEGACY14]

Brawl also had hidden "techniques" that most people didn't know about. Like "glide tossing" for example. You also forgot wave landing, wave landing is like wavedashing in melee.

[@Bloo_VII]

Wavelanding isnt close to wavedashing in Melee. Only specific characters could do it and it was incredibly limited.

[@DanielRojas-ir3gt]

Also, Wave Landing is in Melee too.

[@Bloo_VII]

Wavelanding is in PM, not Melee

[@strabisamus5428]

bluethundershadow - u can waveland in both melee and pm. why wouldnt u be able to in melee?

[@MJLEGACY14]

I wanted to correct bluethundershadow so badly. But I let him go ahead & think he knew better then me.

[@CrimsonAcesChannel]

I'm almost impressed a game this good has a fanbase this bad.

[@ciarankelly3726]

Crimson Ace LOL

[@BlueCrystal004]

Crimson Ace Melee's fanbase isn't that bad, Brawl's is idk, Smash 4 is shit, Smash 64 is heaven. Not as an attack to anyone, because I honestly find casual play cool, casuals typically attack competitive players and we defend, so I can see why the fanbase looks terrible.

[@CrimsonAcesChannel]

BlueCrystal004 Really. I always see competative people attacking the rest.

[@BlueCrystal004]

Crimson Ace I very rarely see that

[@CrimsonAcesChannel]

BlueCrystal004 I saw this comment a while back, might have been this video actually, where someone very normal, very politely went "I consider myself an intermediate player" and a bunch of people just jumped on him saying "No, dude trust me, you suck".

[@mythirdchannel]

very knowledgeable! I'm super impressed by the all the little easter eggs (or maybe they are more like tips and tricks) in this week's episode :) clearly whoever did the work behind the scenes is high level and very well versed in SuperSmash on a competitive level.

[@EluExtends]

Sheesh. What's with all this toxicity in the comments? Can people stop with the petty comments like "tourneyfags," "dirty casuals," etc? I mean, there's no /one/ way to play Smash. You can play it For Fun and For Glory. (Haha, wow I'm so funny.) The thing that makes Smash Bros. so special to me is the fact that you can both play it at high level or just have fun with it. I find it interesting to see what type of crazy shit people can pull at high level play. Yet, Smash Bros. is so simple on its surface that anybody can get into it. Ya know, kinda like Pokemon. Everyone can get into it, but there's the other aspects like IVs and EVs and all those extra things that make up the competitive scene. But back on point, I really dislike all the hostility both sides give to each other. Just let them play the game how they want, guys. Not too hard.

[@pacack824]

I really wish we could all get along.

[@TeknoorSTM]

me too just people are so annoying, they don't allow you to play the game you want to, when i see people going against the competitive side i mean i stand up because i'm on of them but people just are so judgmental

[@seymourwillings2956]

Me too Pac-Man, but it's just impossible on the Internet. So many casuals saying this is the only way to have fun So many competitives saying Smash 4 is trash We're both at fault.

[@moooky52]

it's weird looking back at this video now that i play the games competitively. I remember how cool it was seeing wavedashing and all the other basic techs for the first time.

[@pipsounds]

GRAND DAD!

[@KaennC]

Damn, this is the best guide i've seen after finally giving up on finding guides on this game.

[@Niki_0001]

I don't see how advanced techniques and "glitches/exploits" are a bad thing. Casual players can simply not use them and they make the game more interesting for competitive people.

[@mindnomad]

was going to read the comments section but i stopped at the comment box

[@kaihedgie]

***** Good call

[@onesonicguy]

Smart man.

[@proudsamusmain3750]

+onesonicguy give this man a cookie

[@GameFreak64101]

+onesonicguy there you are again

[@anthonynguyen5788]

+mindnomad The comments are all just people saying "The comment section is cancer" XD

[@KarmaJolt]

I was pretty sure Fountain of Dreams had the second highest ceiling in Melee.

[@TetherOnline]

I had no clue the fighting in Smash Bros went so deep, pretty amazing.

[@Nice_Boy_555]

Greedsin yep, and we have much more

[@menacevil9191]

When football/soccer was first created, it wasn't created with all the advanced and technical skills that people use today in mind. It was most likely created by some people who wanted to have fun with a ball. Just because the advanced techniques aren't built into the idea of some game, it doesn't mean credit and reverence shouldn't be given to people who discover and master these techniques. Football/soccer was most likely created to be played "casually", for fun with friends, and there are undoubtedly more casual players of football/soccer in the world than pros still. And that's fine, just like it's fine for Smash. But the casual football players don't hate on the skills and advanced techniques of pro footballers, they respect them, I think a similar respect should be applied to players of games like Smash. And maybe, if that mentality of "its just a game for fun, you're not allowed to take it seriously" was removed for Smash, people who spent 1000s of hours getting great at this game would be more rewarded for their efforts than they have been, and the community wouldn't have to be so underground in comparison to something like sports. And also, some of the competitive players would probably start being less dick-ish if they didn't feel like most the casual players were against them. tl;dr - Play it casually all you want, it's fine, but why not respect and support the pros/competitive players also?

[@Sjono]

Playstation All Stars doesn't even compare to this greatness

[@brycebecker6837]

Awesome episode! This made me realize that my DI strategies have been completely wrong. Thanks for the help, DYK Gaming!

[@thrillhouse_vanhouten]

I love all DYKG videos but I think this is one of the best I've seen. Good work!

[@Worth19]

You can tell that someone has no idea what they're talking about when it comes to competitive smash when they harbor the delusion that wavedashing completely breaks the game. Wavedashing does not grant you invincibility, if you do it mindlessly it will hurt you more than help. There's only two characters in melee (Luigi and Ice Climbers) that use wavedashing as their primary movement option. It's just a tool which gives the game more depth in terms of movement options which in turn creates a more fast paced fighting game which is entirely unique from anything before or since. It's a shame people can't be more open minded to people playing games how they choose, it's like discovering penicillin and insisting that it not be utilized because it came from mold and that's what it was always intended to be.

[@SuperPerry1000]

MLG and tournament-level players: Forgetting how to have fun since god knows how long ago

[@BlueRupees]

I've had more fun playing Smash competitively this last year than any other game. Just because you like solitaire and I like poker doesn't make the deck worse.

[@Sk0rchy]

"They aren't having fun if they don't play the game like I do" -Perry Martin

[@davjags]

"If they're better than me, they aren't having fun." good one bro, fun us subjective and anyone can have fun doing just about anything. Just cuz they don't play the way u do doesn't make it any less fun. I have been to 3 tourneys in the last 5 months and have only won 3 sets, but it's the most fun I've had playing a video game ever.

[@CoWinkKeyDinkInc]

***** You supposed to have fun playing the game competitively or casually.

[@Phantom_madman]

thats your definition of fun playing hype matches with sick play is my kinda fun so

[@nicholasdang8819]

I'm a casual, but I like watching smash tournaments, I enjoy watching the full capacity of a character and how people can use them to their advantage. Just because I don't have the time or dedication to learn everything, doesn't mean I don't like competitive players. So if you would just stop arguing about how to play a game, and realize there is no right and wrong way to play it, that would be, amazing.

[@Trance_Kitsune]

6:11 - 6:29 but everything changed when the tripping nation attacked..

[@KratosAurionPlays]

I'm sure I'm one of the few people who like Brawl better than Melee. The only thing I didn't like about it was the tripping. Aside from that I found it a lot more fun.

[@Ryan-Petre]

I really dislike this "Level the Playing Field" mentality, it's really dumb honestly. There's nothing unfair about wave dashing because it takes a huge amount of time and effort to master, so if you have mastered it you deserve to win. I'm not great at Smash but I still deserve to win over some guy who's played Smash twice in his life.

[@bunniet.6290]

Suddenly that line in Brawl taunts about wave dashing and L cancel makes a lot more sense...

[@skyesharpe3]

The fact that these techniques exist in Melee and are so well-known by the competitive Smash community speaks volumes to me of their determination and insightful nature in the exact wrong direction. Instead of using that energy to figure out what characters they like or what things they'd like to see next in this obviously-lighthearted, easy-going party-game of a series, they decide they'll figure out how to make sure no one ever has fun playing the game except themselves. Basically, I'm sick and tired of going to a public place with a Smash game expecting to have fun with friends, and end up fighting That Guy who has to have no-items-Final-Destination or he pitches a fit like a child and ruins everyone's good time.

[@skyesharpe3]

I think they should play a different game, honestly. Smash Bros. has always had items and stage hazards as factors in play. While I can understand the issue with lucky item drops being annoying and game-changing factors, I can't understand why these people demand that not only are items entirely turned off, but they play on a stage with no hazards as if they hadn't had the time or energy to become aware and conscious of a stage's moving parts. There are numerous games out there with much more competitive and less divided communities than Smash, where the Pro Players can get their Pure Skill needs met. I don't know why they feel the need to make a competitive atmosphere out of a casual game, and moreover force that set of home-rules on everyone they play against to the detriment of anyone else's enjoyment. I never see a casual player of Smash approach a small group of competitive players and demand without reproach that items be turned on and everyone play on Big Blue, only the Pro players seeing Smash being played and -- I presume -- an opportunity to flex their Pro-Level muscles in the faces of everyone else playing.

[@1000REMBOY]

DYK Persona series! !!!

[@kuzunohaxiv7912]

Reading the comments made me really mad, I don't were should I start ... Ok first of all no matter how competitive the game gets casual players are going to enjoy it as long as is bright and has their favorite characters, if the competitive aspect doesn't matter to Sakurai there is no point in trying to close the gap between wannabe competitive players and pros ; second you guys don't know how much the melee community struggle to get were it is and brawl who is an inferior competitive game in every single aspect got a undeserving spot in a lot of events just because it was the new thing, 3 although is different smash 4 actually works and melee fans have to accept that even if is not as fast is still a good game that actually fix several problems and 4 and perhaps the most important part, we don't give a fuck if you're casual everyone pays for his game and plays it in their own way and even if the game has things like wavedash or l cancel it would never affect you in any way shape or form

[@assuming9735]

I agree 100% with this. My only gripe is that sm4sh players seem to like to start shit for no reason other than "Meleefags are the worst," when in reality no Meleefag had ever cared if anyone else decided to play Brawl or Sm4sh.

[@coachmcguirk6297]

fountain of dreams has a pretty high ceiling actually... even in your picture you can see how far the blast zone is from the stage.. a much better example would have been stadium... it looks like it would be a big stage from the cameras perspective but if you zoom out a little the blast zone is very low, making it a prime fox stage. another would've been yoshis, although that doesn't demonstrate the point as clearly since the blast zones on all sides are close to that stage, including a higher floor so you die off the bottom before you normally would.

[@Telcontar86]

The interesting thing is that DI becomes second nature after a while, so people who attend tournaments who have "good DI" are not even thinking about it most of the time, they are just reacting. This requires watching your opponents character instead of yours, recognizing the move and which way it will send you and reacting appropriately, all without a thought. The best thing about it is that it has been a staple since melee so it carries over between games (well, survival DI anyways)

[@MilkerMurphy]

This is a very well written script. This whole war over advanced techniques being gamebreaking is completely idiotic. Hope this video settles it a little.

[@neil5179]

super smash flash master race

[@sothisistheend]

+AJ_788 no? Lol

[@bolderhero]

The upper blast zone on Fountain of Dreams is the same height as the upper blast zone on Dream Land so Fox's up smash actually kills later on both of those stages. Stages with low upper blast zones are Yoshi's Island, Pokemon Stadium, and Final destination. Battlefield has the most even horizontal and vertical blast zones which is why people in the competitive community commonly refer to it as the most neutral stage.

[@BingBangPoe]

2:05 actually you can do Smooth Landing in Brawl, but only works for Down Aerials, and it completely negates all the landing lag. You do it by using the C-Stick of the GameCube controller to use the Down Aerial, while holding up with the analog stick. It is mostly know to be done with Ganondorf, which fans dubbed "Thunderstomping", that focus on spamming his infamous Down Aerial on short hops.

[@cnick5197]

Smash Bros. The only game to have casual elitists.

[@FreemanVonDon]

I like how 2/3 the video only applies to project m or melee

[@ziqi92]

The fact that Smash can transcend the competitive/casual boundary alone is remarkable, even if the community is rather split. There aren't many fighting games that can do that.

[@Superelativ]

Saw M2K in this video; he is still around? I remember him facing off against Ken in the Melee days. What an OG.