Super Smash Bros Update: Dragoon, Bullet Bill, Wonderful 101, Smash Run - Discussion (Wii U, 3DS)

[@Too_Tall_64]

Polar Bear Confirmed as last character for SSB Wii/3DS

[@PokeymanTrainer]

u wot m8

[@Too_Tall_64]

PokeymanTrainer Thats right, no mewtwo, no ice climbers, no Roy or Chrom... Polar Bear confirmed for Top tier Smash Bros roster.

[@PokeymanTrainer]

Fan Service Weekly More like /OP/olar Bear

[@ReunTeun]

Sure sure now the proof...

[@Too_Tall_64]

SsbPrime Unless he edited his comment between when you posted adn now, i think he's being ironic... Everyone says Ridley is too big to be a character, as well as a few others i think... so i think he's being ironic...

[@n00bplayer72]

Concerning the bullet bill, if you look, there's a red arrow at the end of the bullet's smoke trail, about where Megaman first used the item. Maybe the bullet will behave like Ganondorf's final smash, where it appears to send you off the stage, but once the attack ends, you're right back where you started.

[@TheCartoonGamer8000]

Ash Paulsen? He wouldn't happen to be the same Ash Paulsen that's the son of voice actor Rob Paulsen, would he?

[@TheVGViking]

He DOES sound a little like Rob Paulsen, so you never know; there might be some relation.

[@TheVGViking]

DeaditeWheatley That's pretty badassed.

[@kyloctopus]

I did some information searching; turns out he is Rob Paulsen's son. He must have had one really entertaining childhood.

[@Vic_v._Gerdenheim]

Yakko lives on!

[@sur-shiner]

He also recently confirmed it in his Chrono Trigger play though.

[@AlonzoTompkins]

Wonder Red can clearly work by having moves where some of his attacks are preformed by the other MAIN Wonder Ones. (Wonder Pink = Grab, Wonder Green = Neutral Special, etc.) A few other moves would be his own. We need a Wonderful 101 stage btw.

[@TheInfinityMaster1]

Never stop doing these Smash Discussion videos GameXplain, NEVER! LOVE THEM! :D Also, 15:00 I do agree that DK looks HILARIOUS in that one screenshot! XD

[@chanlaman2565]

They'll probably stop when the Wii U version comes out. When the 3ds version releases, the pic of the days will probably be only Wii U pics, unless there's DLC for both versions.

[@ninboy01]

You know they will continue post launch with Smash Bros. Stuff for a while. Most likely creating collectable & unlock guides.

[@Fangzthewolf]

8:40 It isn't a first for him. He showed off ROB as an enemy in Subspace Emissary before he was revealed to be a character. Could be Sakurai trolling.

[@CuriousUserX90]

6:26 Bullet Bill would make a Good Side B attack for Bowser Jr. in a Super Smash Bros. game.

[@GARU7x]

The Wonderful 101 is a Nintendo owned IP. That's why there is a representation of that game in Smash Bros. I'm actually kind of sad that the Wonderfuls are not playable, I know it's a pretty new IP, but they would fit so well in Smash Bros. Not like Olimar btw, more like just one of the characters performing the abilities of all the others, like the Punch, the Sword, the Gun, the Whip, Hammer, etc. And that the character is based on the color you choose; for exaple Red=WonderRed, Blue=WonderBlue, etc, this being possible because in TW101 every character has the exact same mobility.

[@SebOiram]

In the original Ice Climber game, the polar bear jumps, to my memory, and he jumped in Brawl as well. In the Summit stage, the stage sinks underwater because the Polar Bear jumps and moves the stage.

[@movingtonewchannel.8360]

I wanted Wonder Red in, but honestly, I wasn't really disappointed he wasn't included. I'm sure they could have found a way to incorporate him into the game, but at the same time, I kind of can't see how well it would work. It's not a loss, really. I do have to give Sakurai and his crew much respect on the details of these trophies this time around. Phosphora's trophy is still the best looking one in my honest opinion. There's so much detail to this game in general.

[@Kahadi]

since they haven't said that the entire roster has been announced, and every playable character gets at least one trophy in the other games, the only thing saying he won't be a character is the question of how he'd work as a character.

[@Benicthehedgehog]

seeing how that screenshot of DK being targeted makes me really feel like Sakuri just loves to troll DK players. Sakuri, why do you gotta torture the Monkey?

[@M1RO333]

Sakurai*

[@Benicthehedgehog]

DubstepOtakuGamer oops. sorry. I have a hard time spelling his name so I try to go by how it sounds to make it more easy.

[@Chosen2axe]

you think DK players are getting trolled hard, take a look at the Ridley fan base

[@M1RO333]

+Chosen2axe LOL! I just had to laugh

[@IggyUKoopa]

Chosen2axe They dug there own grave with that one.

[@GuyWithTheCoolName]

I want to see Professor Layton in this game. He fences, and think of the Final Smash! "The only person who is getting smashed... IS YOU!"

[@breadclip9911]

I didn't expect Wonder Red to be playable anyway

[@Ptscf2]

I am thinking that Wonderful 101 will get a stage. Similar to Animal Crossing getting a bunch of trophies in Brawl, they may just be background elements in a stage and getting trophies to put more interest into the game.

[@lucaswillemsens1289]

the spear birds in adventure mode of Brawl were able to be picked up when they got stuck in the ground. also, guys, Ice climbers aren't announced yet, so they probably didn't want to show the pic of the bear untill they have officially pointed out that ice climbers will be in the game. mb soon, VERY SOON??

[@manguy01]

Wow. How did you guys miss the **Red Triangle** in the lower right of the **Bullet Bill** screenshot? It seems to be an arrow that indicates the starting point of the bullet bill's launch.

[@iinciner8]

That's an arrow that shows that an item is there.

[@daniellevinthal4311]

If you follow the point it directs at the bullet. Is that an aiming triangle

[@iinciner8]

Daniel Levinthal It could just be the angle of the camera, but I do see what you mean.

[@manguy01]

PKTriforceOmega I can see where you would think that it's an item arrow like in Smash 64. But look, Super Smash Bros. Direct 4.8.2014 Items don't have the arrow in Smash Wii U. (At least not right away. I'd like to see it if you know of a screencap that does show an arrow over an item, I couldn't find one)

[@iinciner8]

Ohhh, got it. Alright, I agree with you guys now.

[@bjorn448]

14:15 Maybe the red triangle right could show you which way you want to go. I think it's turning and you have to click the right butten to go that direction.

[@YogiofEternalPeace]

The bullet bill shows an arrow from its initial location indicating its direction so I'm curious if you have a moment to aim it before launching off in whatever direction you choose. (Confirming early with A)

[@iinciner8]

I'm pretty sure that that's an arrow pointing to a pickup-able item.

[@dusknoir64]

in subspace emissary if you could knock down a bullet bill you could throw it.

[@DjoingDalton]

'Grabbing' as in using your grab move on them. You could even do that in The Subspace Emissary.

[@ILuvyuhx0x0x0x]

xD i thought so, they derped there

[@SnipingIsFun]

Skyward Sword alt costumes for Link and Zelda

[@omgzack53]

Hmm since they have a Wonderful 101 trophy maybe it's hinting at a Platinum Games character making it in to the roster (Bayonetta)

[@DarkWidget]

Bayonetta would be amazing! 0.0 Almost as mindblowing as Greninja! =D

[@DarkWidget]

Wtf go away! :( We want Bayonetta in SSB!

[@ninboy01]

Nintendo did pay for and is publishing Bayonetta 2, so that makes her a 2nd party character this time around. Still highly unlikelt that she's in the game.

[@ninboy01]

Mikael Olsson Idiot, I specifically said Bayonetta 2 was a 2nd party Nintendo game, NOT THE ORIGINAL. Sega isn't publishing Bayonetta 2, Nintendo is. Nintendo may not own the rights to the original i.p., but for all intended purposes, Nintendo owns Bayonetta 2.

[@rugalbernstein5913]

+MrCanadianWitch my nigga snake would have a better chance getting in than raiden, mgs5 is more recent, and solid has a more diverse move set than raiden, nigga, raiden's essentially just frigging sonic as a human with a katana.

[@laggalot1012]

I don't think you can pick up the Mett and Octorok, I think Sakurai means you can use a 'grab' on them and then use one of four directional throws, similar to how you can grab a player who's using a shield and then throw them. Honestly, I have no idea how you confused this with them functioning as an item. That just seems silly. Especially the octorok...

[@MrChrisKlingler]

Please do a discussion of other possible bosses to fight in other stages like the Yellow Devil on the Megaman stage

[@Butterworthy]

I seriously hope a Wonderful 101 character makes it in, or even Bayonetta. But I could make do with trophies......

[@BunnyChamberX]

Yea...I hope that white one gets in as a playable character...but trophies good still...

[@thatisaduck]

yeah i hope bayonetta makes it in

[@DiamondBortz]

POLAR BEAR JOINS THE BATTLE......either that or Ice Climbers Confirmed

[@mrplow8]

The polar bear means it's likely that Ice Climbers will be returning, which hasn't been confirmed yet.

[@Kayoscape]

Maybe those lights act the same way as the awning in the Melee stage Onett, only being able to stay upright until too many players land on them.

[@TravelocityKirby]

Perhaps, but Sakurai does say attacking them brings them down.

[@Space_Australian]

So at 11:20, what's with the red arrow on the ground? Reminds me of in Smash 64 when those would show up over items when you could pick them up, but there's no item under the red arrow in this screen.

[@pablofigueroa1505]

if you notice the red arrow i think it means that when you shoot out as a bullet bill you re-appear there

[@4xzx4]

What Sakurai means by "grabbing the enemies" is that you can grab attack them (you know, pressing the Z-button on the GameCube-controller in Brawl). He does not mean picking them up as items, like the Capsule for example. Or so I think...

[@riskstep]

There was a hint about the Wonderful 101 on Little Mac's trailer where his coach counts Little Mac's "air-push-ups" (or whatever u call it) and stops at 101. Not the first one to know this, though. And I think something tells me that this trailers were supposed to leave a hint of a new character.

[@bman0004]

Lol start checking other trailers

[@riskstep]

It could work out that way, but the mystery is why did Doc count it 1 more. Plus, Sakurai loves to play mind games, so... yeah. :d

[@shadowedspartan3237]

two things one: the octorok in skyward sword (which is the iteration of which it looks like in smash run) would send a homing attack on you when you were on your loftwing it didn't actually follow you but as you were flying by them they would shoot there rocks at you. Two: the Dragoon wasn't a one hit K-O if your damage percentage was low enough you could survive it

[@CaptainCornDawgz]

They are so skilled at timing the taunts on these screenshots just right.

[@Kev9432]

Bullet Bill looks like a very interesting item...

[@BiohazardCake]

yes their was indication about the lights, I remember them showing footage with fighters standing atop them

[@AceKite00]

The boxing stage just got alot more interesting. may be one of my most fav stages in the future.

[@Karnsteinband]

I'm surprised you guys didn't mention that the Boxing Ring lights being destructible originates from the final fight against K. Rool in Donkey Kong 64. Probably doesn't mean anything but between that, the DK64 stage returning and the Kritters in Smash Run I'm holding out hope for K. Rool still

[@Pikuechu]

For Bullet Bill, based on the red arrow in the lower right it sorta looks like you choose the direction before you actually take off. Which ever direction the arrow is pointing that's the direction you go.

[@Kahadi]

I don't see why people think that a picture of Wonder Red as a trophy means he won't be a character. while I doubt he will be a character, that's because there's no way he could work as a character. a trophy of a character doesn't mean that the character won't be playable, considering in all of the past SSB games, all of the playable characters had at least one trophy version of themself

[@Kahadi]

***** I don't think that would work as well as you think, but either way, my point was that a trophy of a character doesn't prove that they won't be a playable character

[@cheef825]

The lights on the platforms outside of the ring are red and blue.

[@TjuserX]

I think that after you use the bullet bill you return to where you used it, like with Ganondorf's final smash in brawl. Look at the red arrow in the right-left corner. That seems like the sort of thing that indicates a player's position, and a similar arrow can be seen above the bullet bill in the previous screenshot.

[@BoxyR107]

Man, I can't get over the fact of how catchy your Gamexplain theme is. And I'm actually a bit curious about the other people who are part of Gamexplain besides Andre and Derrick.

[@chanlaman2565]

There's Tom Arnold.

[@BoxyR107]

Has he ever been in any videos?

[@isaacpaul1230]

The birds from story in brawl were able to be picked up when in the ground.

[@micah459]

I think with the bullet item, you will pick it up first and then able to activate it by pressing the a button again as if you had a weapon so you can have more control over it. You might also be able to choose were to aim by moving the control stick in a certain direction right before activating it

[@DudeSean]

I think you can move it around just like Sonic or Pikachu's final Smashes.

[@micah459]

that's a good theory

[@Triforce_of_Doom]

My moveset for Wonderful 101 would be: Standard Special: Unite Sword Down Special: Unite Guts Side Special: Unite Gun Up Special: Unite Whip w/ tether abilities Final Smash: A smaller version of the laser that's too long to name from the final level. Either that or a Unite Barrage (Combination of Unite Morphs a la Triple Finish.)

[@mrfandangojimmies7117]

Awful. They already said there aren't going to be multiple change characters so building one around the mechanic is already stupid. If wonder red got in (and I honestly wanted him) it would be based on his 1v1 fights in the actual game where he was alone. He has a robust move set for those small sections so would be easy to translate.

[@Triforce_of_Doom]

It could just be like Olimar where you have those specific Wonderful Ones, but your idea is good too.

[@enemene16]

Polar Bear has been know to cause the screen to suddenly fall in the Ice Climber games...in Melee if you don't attack him and don't keep climbing...he causes the screen to fall faster when he jumps...and in BRAWL...in the ice climbers stage he would jump on the ice berg to cause it to sink...so perhaps he would make the screen fall or just an earthquake that work similar to the pow block...

[@mersunarytigre]

If i recall correctly, Melee's Adventure mode allowed you to grab enemies and throw them, so grabbing enemies in Smash Run might be a nod to that?

[@FrayedQube]

I'm surprised you never mentioned the red triangle in the smoke of the Bullet Bill. It looks to me that that is the way you choose the angle of trajectory for the item.

[@GDKsan]

For bullet bill, it can be homing like in mario kart (it follows the tracks, there it can go to all the characters).

[@TMMYPHLMN]

Where did he get the pics at 0:40 and 0:49?I never saw them at the smash bros site.

[@bmombaerts]

The site only shows the "main" picture of the day. If you go to miiverse (or follow /u/sakuraibot on /r/smashbros) you will see that every photo also has a little text with it and sometimes bonus pictures in the comments.

[@lightningman2222]

Did you guys see the arrow on the lower right side corner pointing the same direction as the bullet bill launching off?

[@bmombaerts]

Actually it is pointing down, to where the bullet bill used to be. I think it might indicate where you appear back when the transformation is over. If you trace a line through the corner pointing at Bill you will see it doesn't follow it exactly, but it DOES point downwards like the grey arrow before picking up the bullet Bill.

[@bmombaerts]

***** I drew lines on it, and it definitly doesn't

[@TarkynSharples2]

***** The red arrow is definitely pointing in the direction of the bullet bill. Its upper edge is not parallel with the ground, so it isn't pointing that way. H enryuuki I also think it may indicate where you appear once the transformation is over (which is also where you left from). Not by where it's pointing, but by where it is hovering over. The arrows, both the red and grey, denote that the bullet bill is an item, rather than an enemy, as to help differentiate between the two when both are on the screen at the same time.

[@DandyKaiju]

The smash run mode is timed so it would make sense to make the new enemies to pick up

[@pwing15]

How that could work? (talking about wonder red) Normal attacks are his fist. Neutral special, wonder green Side Special,wonder blue Up special, wonder pink down special, a shield. Final Smash Sorta like pits but with different wonders.

[@TNTLuver9]

4:30 You can really see the pixels on Samus...

[@elrondsmasher1963]

you pick the prejectory of the bullet bill look at the bottom right hand corner there is a red arrow pointing in the direction that the bill flew

[@pwing15]

And i love how whenever they talk about a mario enemy being an item or assist trophy, they use one of the bowser themes (idk its real name. castle, or airship) Which makes it sound like its a huge threat and you wanna stay away from it. I love that

[@thaCASHdude]

I wonder how much damage the lights actually cause when they fall...? It looks like it does fall down pretty hard. XD The Auroros enemies from SSE (the sharp-beaked birds) could be picked up and thrown when they're stuck in the ground, after trying to attack you with their beaks by diving straight into the ground. Did you guys see the arrows on the Bullet Bill images, before and after it's used? (Gray [small] and Red [big] respectively) The Dragoon looks awesome as ever, my #1 Air Ride machine. :3

[@supermario863]

I hope the boxing stage has a Final Destination Form. I want a boxing ring where you can't knock down the lights, so it's basically just a boxing ring, keeping the rebounding ropes, but yeah. Keep that, get rid of the falling lights.

[@Sparkjolteon]

I think a good way to describe this week would be "Reveals lots of cool details on things we had already seen".

[@alronthunderdrummer]

Maybe the player who used the bullet bill returns to the starting spot (marked with arrow) once you go off the screen?

[@MathematicalVoid]

They used the Ocarina of Time Stalfos in Smash Run. Also, it might be possible that the Smash Run enemies will have a small chance of coming out of containers, like the Adventure Mode enemies in Melee.

[@colinquinlan5774]

I think with the bullet bill you'll be able to control where it goes throughout the whole time you're in it, but it will only last about 10 seconds so it's not to overpowered.

[@Othtober]

On the bullet bill, there is a red triangle pointing toward the direction he is going to go.

[@sallas09]

Regarding your tangent about Met and Octorok and your ability to pick them up. I'm guessing it's nothing more than just you being able to quietly sneak up on them and pick them up without wakening them, giving you an easy way to dispatch these hidden, ranged enemies without waking them and being pelted from a distance.

[@CuppaJoeGamer]

I'm looking at the red arrow in the bottom right of the second Bullet Bill screenshot and I'm gonna throw my guess that this is how you aim. It seems to be pointing at the same trajectory angle.

[@InShortSight]

in skyward sword, when you're flying, the giant octaroks shoot 'homing' bits.

[@Samuz8]

Thursday screenshot: RED TRIANGLE!! That must be to adjust the path the bullet bill follows.

[@deathriff117]

Did anyone else notice the tiny red triangle on the bullet bill item, it's a good come back from the N64 smash bros.

[@drvidek]

You don't think that maybe the polar bear being in the game is a hint that Ice Climbers are back?

[@DGAK96]

That Stutter at 4:30 though. Lmfao idk why that was so hilarious.

[@Mudkip971]

Since Wonderful 101 isn't a Nintendo developed game does it mean we have a slight chance Shantae will be a trophy?

[@KikoRamos13]

What's the name of the first song that plays in this video? It's so calming.

[@pokemonproffesori.hickory3043]

What is the music that is playing while they are talking about the dragoon?

[@curydude]

i think the bullet bill will be angled by the player and travel for a second or 2 b4 the player comes out of it and i would say about 40% dmg is done

[@LooGiezz]

I really hope there is a mode in smash run that is CO-OP instead of free-for-all. Like imagine a barrage of enemies coming into the stage (very unlikely due to 3ds limitations) or a Boss Character that everyone has to join in to win the boss. (MODE AS IN AFTER ALL THE STATS/BUFF GATHERING)

[@WallyGamer32]

Can you play with custom movesets in smash run and can you use items like assist trophies and mushrooms that would be cool.

[@isaacpaul1230]

Bulletbill might be like Ganondorfs final smash, charge off and return to where you were.

[@joevsgaming4986]

In the bullet bill pic it shows a red arrow showing the directing of it

[@TheBlackKang]

have you guys ever discuss the custom move sets. If not i would really like to hear your thoughts on it

[@Novarcharesk]

Do we know yet if there is some kind of Adventure mode either from Melee or Brawl? Cause that would be nice :)

[@BoomsticktheTired]

Man I would have loved to have Wonder Red, and all the Wonderful ones, as at least an assist trophy. I even had a full move set planned out too. Ah well. Perhaps if we're lucky, we'll see him in the next Smash.

[@Marane8]

What stage was Kirby on when he was using the dragoon?

[@bethyzbubba561]

I think I see Samus up there on the lights in the screenshot of Little Mac using his up special on the Smash Bros version of the arena! :O

[@bmombaerts]

It zelda, in the second picture she is falling down with it.

[@Joy-ConJesus]

I think there going to show off Chrom at E3, because on TheRealSonicFan's channel there was a video of a leaked roster. It may have been fake but it was the most realistic one to me. Just my opinion.

[@GMunni330]

Is it possible that you could infer that the ice climbers will be back for smash 4 from that last screen shot or is that too far of a stretch

[@andymugu]

How about the skyward strike for a final smash for Link? ( a more powered up version, of course)

[@ANIMEman0519]

well there goes me hoping one of the characters from the Wonderfull101 was gonna be in the new smash bros.

[@nintendogamingchannel7824]

I may be wrong but I think that since the Ice Climbers polar bear is in smash, the Ice Climbers might be back! I never used them that much but I really hope their back. Just for the sake of memory. They either need to be in smash or get a new game finally. Or both.

[@TheELITHEHEDGEHOG]

there is a red arrow where the cloud of the bullet bill that may determine the direction it goes!!

[@victinisoul8368]

I think link and Zelda might get skyward sword costumes Like little mac has wire frame

[@evantuccarello8374]

I actually agree. I think the Twilight Princess designs have become very iconic, especially for Zelda so if those were the automatic changes it'd definitely be a huge change that I'm not sure if everyone would be okay with right away. However, there is a lot of Zelda content in this game, and a big chunk of it from Skyward Sword. It would only make sense for them to receive those outfits as costumes, and honestly I definitely hope they do.

[@GARU7x]

I would prefer other kind of costumes like "Zora Tunic" from Twilight Princess for Link and Zelda's Hylia Robe from Skyward Sword.

[@altermann1991]

About Zelda enemies: We already know that not all will be based on Skyward sword,we saw already an OoT-stalfos in the direct About w101: I love the game but they are too new and their game wasn't such a success so it doesn't surprise me that they don't get a character(although I'd say it is not impossible for sakurai to troll us,like oh yeah here is a trophy....of a character from the game!),however the fact that sakurai is including several trophys for the game might mean that we are getting a w101 assist trophy or even stage

[@api10001]

hey we not getting a the wonderful 101 character in smash but can it be that maybe getting a viewtiful joe character hmm?

[@Skuxxed]

Darn, so close! [LEAK] Wonderful 101 in Super Smash Bros Wii U/3DS? - Little Mac Reveal Trailer Analysis

[@BlastedOne52]

I was actually hoping one of the Wonderful 101 could at least be an Assist Trophy. I knew playable character would be out of the question, but not even an assist trophy, just a trophy? Well, perhaps one of the other Wonderful Ones...

[@supermario863]

These guys don't seem to know that Sakurai visited Platinum Games studio. That's my main evidence for believing Bayonetta will show up. At least heavily censored. But I don't really mind that.

[@Darkryn99]

I'm really surprised they never noticed the red arrow where the bullet bill launched from. I would assume when you turn into the bullet bill, you will be able to choose your path as indicated on screen by the arrow. Seriously it stands strait out.

[@bmombaerts]

The arrow doesn't point to the bullet bill though, it points down, to where the itme started, so there is a good chance that after the transformation is over you reappear on the same spot, like ganondorfs final smash.

[@Darkryn99]

no it i slightly skewed if it was pointing down. its about 10* or so off from being perpendicular to the ground. however the other corner points directly at the bulletbill. and the angle of that corner is slightly smaller than the angle of the other two corners, so the opposite side of that angle is definitely shorter. thus it must be pointing to the bullet bill

[@PHYTO18432]

So boxing ring Final Destination mode: you're on the light scaffolds

[@sumgiy6461]

Where does this misconception that Nintendo doesn't own the Wonderful 101 come from? Platinum may have developed it, but it's a Nintendo owned IP. The same applies to Bayonetta and Sega. Representation of Bayonetta is no more or less likely than it was before.

[@thefat8762]

What if Rosalina goes on the lights and leaves her Luma to fight on the arena? They'll both be good on that stage, so I'll be using that stage