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Today Ben dives into Doctor Strange's wild Multiverse of Madness to try and answer all the big unanswered questions: Is Wanda Dead? Did other Wanda make another Hex? What did they appearance of the Illuminati mean?
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[@KFP_Fanboy]

kung fu panda is better than marvel and dc

[@-Nerd1287]

Can you stop titling your theory videos with the phrase “Film Theory” because that is a name of another pretty big theory that you know of which is, “Film Theory” otherwise ulyour theory was good.

[@Jay-ate-a-bug]

You cannot compare the Spider-verse (a real thing from the comics) with the Multi-verse; they work on completely different rules and can only be manipulated by versions of Spider-man. Thus 3 different Peter Parkers.

[@randyr1373]

Yes he

[@kentbark7410]

wanda isn't that powerful.....without the power boost from the books or the temple...wanda is just normal......think of jean grey x-men........without the phoenix jean grey is normal......with the phoenix she is the most powerful being in the multiverse

[@Civilian08]

I just figured that they are the children of her dreams, literally. She says she dreams about them every night, and that dreams are glimpses into other universes. I figured they aren't the children of Wanda and Vision, but Wanda and someone else, and Wanda imagined a life with them where Vision was their father based on seeing them in her dreams.

[@AWindy94]

This is pretty much how it is in the comics

[@andscifi]

It also explains why the house looks the same. And the reason that the kids are so perfect is that Wanda was looking for the perfect version of her life and with enough different realities she'd find one that was exactly what she wanted.

[@fiascorner]

:ooo makes sense. the hex version of her sons have powers. but the children from the other universe were scared of the scarlet witch. if they have powers, they wouldve fought her but they didn't.

[@andrewcronbach1168]

I agree with OC, this is just a plain vanilla wanda with kids who our wanda's dreams use as a template for her dream life. We see that vision wasn't killed by thanos because dead thanos in the flashback doesn't have the mind stone so wanda has no need to grieve and create the hex. Vision probably doesn't exist in that universe either because we see that ultron exists as a peacekeeping programme which means it probably never went rogue and tried to create a perfect body.

[@bicokun]

It would be amusing if they made Wonder Man the father, given that he was the psychological template for Vision in the comics.

[@kingpin3357]

When dr strange told her they weren't real. Wanda said that they are real in every other universe. If they weren't real in other universes she wouldn't say that and she could just make another hex to have fake kids again. But she wants them to be real and not just in a hex

[@basequeira]

I swear i thought i was the only one that remembered that. She did say they are real im every universe EXCEPT hers. So that kinda defeats the theory that it's a hex

[@ammaranwar5343]

Honestly the writers of this movie were kinda lazy and I don't think they even watched the whole of wandavision. They gave no insight into the nature of her kids. Also at the end of Wandavision you can hear her kids calling out to her. that made me assume that MOM would be about her rescuing her fictional kids from some dimension and bringing them into reality, but at a price. Instead we get her randomly hijacking the mind of some innocent Wanda to steal her kids.

[@jaychow2414]

@@ammaranwar5343 While I agree that some parts of the movie were lazily written, it was actually stated that the director wasn't even aware of the show when they were writing the movie. Doesn't fully excuse the problems with the writing, but it is definitely worth noting the circumstances.

[@EdsonR13]

Our Wanda may be powerful but shes not omniscient, she has no way of knowing how "real" other Wandas kids are, she only sees them in her dreams through the eyes of the other Wandas. Not saying they must be in a hex, just saying they still could be

[@stevemayne24]

My read on Billy and Tommy in the other universe is that they are real. They're between ten and twelve, which means they existed before the Thanos arrived. I think that means that in the other reality Wanda had them before 2015 which is when Age of Ultron took place or right after. This means its unlikely that She would have been with Vision even if he is the father. I think that Wanda's partner is Simon Williams. In the comics that's Wonder Man. His mental patterns were used as the basis for Visions personality; again in comics. The reasons that he's not in the movie is that like vision, he died fighting Thanos. Other Wanda never created the Hex because unlike 616 Wanda she had Billy and Tommy to take care and it helped pull her through the grief. That also means there was probably never a Hex in other Wanda's reality. As for 616 Billy and Tommy, the reason Wanda created them was because she had dreamt of them when she dreamt of other Wanda. Anyway, that's what I think.

[@ProjektTaku]

ooh wonder man.

[@nikileshraamsivakumar9746]

But in Wanda vision they aged themselves up within a matter of seconds, so I doubt you can take their age into consideration because they might have the same powers as they did in the series. Ofcourse that doesn't negate your theory and as said before, anything is possible in the multiverse

[@sanaljoy5017]

@@nikileshraamsivakumar9746 In 616, they were created by Wanda, aging themselves is not their powers

[@nikileshraamsivakumar9746]

@@sanaljoy5017 that's not what I meant, if they had the same powers as the 616 twins then they could have also aged themselves. I'm not implying that aging themselves is their ONLY power

[@bacovey]

Also, if Wanda Magiced them into existence outside of the Hex (my personal theory given the biological impossibilities of a Wanda/Vision baby) then why not have them age up to sentience and skip the baby stuff.

[@Transcinephile]

It's possible that she had dreams of having a family before wandavision, saw her children and house from another universe, and used both as a basis when creating them in wandavision

[@MiloMurphysLaw]

I think that’s the real explanation. Although it still doesn’t answer who the father of the kids is in all the other universes. Especially if Vision doesn’t exist because Ultron was successful

[@DavidAmrod]

@@MiloMurphysLaw read Steve Mayne below. Way better than mine!

[@sayanibasak6204]

It's not possible cause the sacred timeline broke at the end of Wanda vision, so she couldn't have dreamt about it before that

[@amrodentertainment940]

@@sayanibasak6204 People were dreaming of other realities before the timeline broke. If a reality did not disturb the sacred timeline, it was allowed to exist.

[@sayanibasak6204]

@@amrodentertainment940 but if there was no multiverse, how could one dream of other reality Even Dr. Strange was shocked to learn or get a hint of the existence of other realities (multiverse) in spiderman no way home I don't think she was dreaming of other realities, she just wanted to have a normal life and family with Vision all along Another evidence is that Vision and Wanda were arguing about what to name their child, Billy or Tommy, and she said in reply that there is only one way to solve this, hope for a girl She was also unaware that they were going to have twins while giving birth I don't think she dreamt of her kids, but her wish to have a normal life with Vision that she never had

[@AnuUatu]

My theory is that Wanda is an actual Mutant in the Ultron universe. Theres a Professor X in this universe which would mean that mutants are in this particular universe. There would be no need for vision as vision and Wanda both have the mind stone in common but Wanda wasn’t a hydra experiment in the ultron universe…just my thoughts

[@liamward-ogorman9419]

so you recon that wanda follows the comics where she's the child of magneto?

[@SCPguy-06]

@@liamward-ogorman9419 I like that idea better

[@gpodjoe9179]

I think Wanda would be the child of Magneto in Earth 838. I hope they bring Ian McKellen back.

[@AnuUatu]

@@liamward-ogorman9419 in that particular universe YES. I actually believe Wanda in that particular universe is The Mutant version and her father is indeed magneto and I also believe her children in this universe are compromised. I don’t want to go as far as to say they are demon spawn but that little song and dance they did didn’t sit right with me. This goes into my own theory of how the multiverse works. I believe over all there are intersecting events that cause DEJA VU, these are the moments where the same thing is happening in multiple timelines. I believe the hex happened but the sequence of events were completely different. It’s also my theory that it’s THE MUTANT WANDA that continues being the Scarlett witch due to the trauma of the initial Wanda’s Dreamwalking. Just some thoughts im spit balling

[@dmoody4628]

Good point

[@JahanMisra]

i don’t think wanda could make the hex if she weren’t the scarlet witch. agatha specifically says her ability to create matter is unique. so the wanda in other universes probably aren’t able to make the hex

[@TalixZen]

I believe that you are correct

[@yanamadyarova1944]

I was literally thinking this the whole time, as soon as they said that there was only one Scarlet witch. Cause if other Wanda wasn’t the scarlet witch, how does she have the power to create a hex

[@Orson_Welp]

Y'all ever notice that Wanda's villain arc in this movie is extremely similar to Kingpin in Spiderverse? >Loses family >Tries to access the multiverse to get them back >Exposes awful actions to other universe family >Family rejects antagonist

[@danielbristol8891]

Woah, that’s kind cool

[@evab0beva]

oh wow i didn’t catch that but you’re 100% right

[@meru8348]

I'm pretty sure its basically confirmed that our Wanda from 616 is the only Wanda who lost vision and the Wanda she possesses through dream walking actually just built the house and presumably used magic to make her kids, as in the scene after our Wanda dream walks and takes control of the other Wanda as she is flying away from the house you cant see any hex boundaries or any sign that the other Wanda is in a hex.

[@Cllocopine]

I was thinking this too, that maybe Wanda in the ultron universe did create the children herself, but they’re still real life humans and not fake. Or maybe it’s possible that there is a hex but only inside of their house, meaning Wanda can leave the house freely but Billy and Tommy only exist inside the walls of the house. Either way I don’t think it’s possible that that Wanda created a giant hex and imprisoned 1000’s o people like in Wandavision because if that were the case the illuminati wouldn’t have been so chill about Wanda from 616 dream walking, they would’ve seen her as a bigger threat because they knew how extremely powerful she is.

[@Spectre033]

Exactly 💯 this

[@musakamara4157]

Yeah. The reason it's confusing is cuz I feel like if professor x exists in that universe then magneto should to so Wanda would be his daughter. They should have clarified it instead of having her scenes feel so disconnected from the illuminati stuff.

[@kimberlygilliam6112]

Did other universes have a Thanos and an infinity gauntlet and a snap?

[@etriganthedemon666]

@@kimberlygilliam6112 yes because you said universes there are literally endless possibilities, but in this certain universe earth 838, it did have Thanos and Infinity Gauntlet as shown in the movie but I don't think the snap happens

[@limettenkuchen]

I don't think there is another Hex. Wanda herseld told Strange that her children are real in every universe except this. She specifically said that they are real and not "they exist" which is what caused her frustration. She isn't just unhappy, she's also the only version of herself that's unhappy (when it comes to having a family and her sons). So I actually think that Billy and Tommy in this universe exist without the hex

[@jaheim_the_omnipotent4875]

but that doesnt really make sense considering there cant be an alternative version of a non existent being and how should she even make kids with an adroid and if their not visions kids than how can they be alternative versions of her ideal kids ?

[@limettenkuchen]

@@jaheim_the_omnipotent4875 As far as I know the twins are real existing beings in the comics, so it could be. Wanda's powers could also be different, maybe there is something else keeping them alive

[@jaheim_the_omnipotent4875]

@@limettenkuchen yea in the comics but that’s not the comic

[@jaheim_the_omnipotent4875]

@@limettenkuchen by the rules of the mcu they shouldn’t exist at all in other universes

[@limettenkuchen]

@@jaheim_the_omnipotent4875 What rules of the MCU? That they can only exist inside the hex is a rule for 616. This doesn't have to apply to any other universe and based on what Wanda said I am pretty sure that it is in fact ONLY a rule for 616 and no other universe. Every other universe could allow the twins to live outside of the hex

[@ark2985]

Not to mention that the red explosion that happens within the rubble when the whole mountain falls on her is the same explosion when her chaos magic explodes out of her in Westview. Maybe Wanda gave up on life in that moment as the mountain was coming down on her but Scarlet Witch wouldn't let her die and as an automatic defence response she created a last minute hex to cocoon her from all the damage.

[@CyGea]

616 Wanda didn’t meet the father of her children. She dreamed of the children she had in other universes. These other universe children are now over 10 years old. So when 616 Wanda created her children, she used the children she had been dreaming about for ten years, as her blueprint in her hex. I think the boys’ real father in other universes will be Simon Williams.

[@dmoody4628]

Good point

[@pawned79]

You said “her brother still dies.” Why does her brother still die? I thought he was killed in the Ultron movie. If the Ultron incident didn’t happen, and Vision was not created, then why is it assumed her brother is dead? Did she say her brother was dead? Did she have a memorial to him in her house that I didn’t catch?

[@permeus2nd]

6:16 actually because of the tech used to make Vision he could have kids, his body was made from the same stuff the doctor used to patch up Hawkeye mixed with Vibranium the only thing holding him back would be understanding how the human male anatomy works from there he can just manafest all the needed parts.

[@blak4831]

His body is partly biological yes, but not human. The Cradle was, in essence, a very very very advanced 3D printer. Ultron made the designs for Vision himself, and considering his whole worldview I doubt he would've bothered with anything as unnecessary as biological reproduction

[@cameronhodgetts920]

Here's a crazy prediction - 838 Wanda didn't create the Hex because of the death of her lover Vision, but because of the death of her father Magneto. After all, the yellow hover chair seems to suggest that 838 is the universe where X-Men '97 takes place.

[@paulinexong]

I like this one

[@evab0beva]

ooh good catch

[@seanmartin2000]

If I remember correctly, when Billy and Tommy are introduced in the comics, they actually don't know they that they are Wanda's children. In fact, I believe they also don't know they are brothers. Anyway, if that's the case, I could see Marvel reintroducing them in a few years as older versions of the characters that don't know their mom is Wanda, or that their related. This would allow them to be around the same age as the rest of the Young Avengers when Marvel ultimately chooses to do that project, while also giving them a mystery that they have to solve once they figure out who they are. Enough time will also have passed so the sudden age increase might not seem too sudden to general audiences.

[@bird9779]

If your dreams are you from other realities, then maybe Wanda created the boys from what she dreamt. She didn't know until she got the dark hold that these dreams were other lives from her variants.

[@Jay-ate-a-bug]

Things to remember: Dreaming shows us alternate realities. All it takes is one Universe within the multiverse existing where Billy and Tommy are real and the rest of the Wandas can dream of her children and subconsciously insert them into her fantasy-world. You are welcome.

[@ammaranwar5343]

That's a good explanation but you shouldn't have to be the one explaining this. The writers of this movie got paid to make it clear, but didn't even bother!

[@Jay-ate-a-bug]

@@ammaranwar5343 There is a fine line between providing a clear explanation and being too expository. The MCU is mediocre at both.

[@richiebee8719]

I’d say the scarlet witch is Wanda and Wanda is the nexus being. The reason the alternate Wanda was not able to keep up is that she’d not “unlocked” the scarlet witch, Agatha had not given her the dark hold, she’d not have access to the magic of Cthon

[@noahclaycameron]

Can Wanda be a nexus being if she dreams and there are multiple of her?

[@Yattien89]

@@noahclaycameron It's more likely that the Scarlet Witch is the Nexus Being, while Wanda as Wanda isn't. I suspect that she'd not have found another Scarlet Witch to dreamwalk into. Oh. That's actually the theory they give. I just replied with my thoughts while watching.

[@booyafools5897]

@@noahclaycameron in order to dream of herself in other universes she would need to become much more powerful

[@migueljaramillo2214]

The scarlet witch is the nexus being, there can only be one scarlet witch at a time but I think that any Wanda can become the scarlet witch but only one at a time or at least that was the case until Wanda destroyed all the books across the multiverse. This is just my version of things until more movies come out and more information comes out

[@ked49]

@@noahclaycameron she dreams of Wanda’s not scarlet witches also ours is the most powerful version since they underestimated her.

[@CyGea]

Captain Carter being an Illuminati member makes me think she isn’t “worthy” like our Steve. Cap Steve refuses membership in the comics. He would NEVER agree with killing Strange.

[@anarchus784]

I was thinking, they only said the book of Ashanti gives you what you need to win vs a threat, so when Dr Strange touched it, it sets up the chain of events to get what he needed, i.e. be evil etc, this could reveal at a much later time in phase 4

[@ked49]

He gained a lazer by touching it. And saw America’s page

[@Saimeren]

11:10 If he doesn't come back, it's not a slap in the face. It's still fan service. He did an amazing job with the character for the role he played in the movie. He was Reed Richards. He had dialogue and an actual role in the movie. A slap in the face would have been if he were only shown on a screen in the background, or on TV, or in a flashback standing next to the others. No lines, no interaction with the main heroes, no proper role. Or, if he was used in a silly joke like the play on Asgard in Thor 3. Where they didn't take the role of those actors seriously as the character they were portraying in the play.

[@bradyhunt7996]

Agreed! I thought he fit this specific Reed Richards well, but as Nando v Movies talked about in his video, Krasinski doesn’t really fit a young, arrogant and flawed genius Reed

[@Saimeren]

@@bradyhunt7996 But there's nothing to say that we have to get that version of Reed in the MCU. Why does the character have to be introduced at their origin? Why can't they start half way through their superheroing career? We've already seen their origin in other movies. Do the Spiderman thing and make it so Reed has already been doing his thing for the last 20 years.

[@thepianoman808]

He has to come back. Everyone keeps forgetting there’s a F4 film planned for phase 4.

[@Saimeren]

@@thepianoman808 Yeah, but they could cast someone else. There's nothing saying that every person looks the same across the multi-verse.

[@darkecofreak23]

Wanda is the only person I know of in the MCU (maybe in the Marvel multimedia multiverse, or Triple M) who could do something like create such a powerful Reality Marble.

[@Vetrarland]

"Kevin Feige, chief creative architect of the Marvel films, says the Scarlet Witch is more powerful than we’ve seen." "Feige who is the "strongest Marvel hero." Feige had previously called Captain Marvel the strongest MCU hero, but this time he strongly suggested the crown belongs to the Scarlet Witch." She is one of Marvel Comics most volatile heroes. She's defeated gods, monsters, and heroes alike. Honestly my favourite character by far. She has defeated some of the most powerful beings in the Marvel Comics universe like: ●The Avengers In Avengers Disassembled. SW resurrected the deceased Jack of Hearts and detonated him like a bomb in the Avengers Mansion, killing Ant-Man and hospitalizing several other Avengers ●Kang The Conqueror. SW defeated Kang leading to his entrapment by the time-keepers. ●Thor. SW sinks into a trance, launching a massive chaos energy attack from beneath Thor, sending him into the sky and sending him plummeting back to earth. ●Storm In Exiles. SW unleashed a blast of chaos magic, instantly taking Storm out of the fight. ●Jean Grey. SW's increased power overwhelmed Jean until she succumbed to the damage, taking her out of the conflict entirely. ●Magneto. SW and Magneto in the battle in Avengers and X-Men: Axis. In the fight, the SW's reality-altering powers were too much for Magneto to handle. ●Fought herself in Fantastic Four #645. Dark doppelgangers was a slightly less powerful version of 616 SW. 616 SW hits her darker self with a powerful blast of chaos magic, instantly knocking the alternate on her back. Though the darker version of the SW was slightly less powerful, taking out any version of this Avenger requires extreme power. ●Dormammu. When Dormammu had the artifact, he easily defeated both super teams, including Doctor Strange. Only SW stood in the way of Dormammu and victory. With one hex blast, she trapped Dormammu within the Evil Eye. ●Chthon. SW traveled to the Dark Dimension, fusing with the book of black magic (The Darkhold), she was granted the power needed to stop Chthon. Besting him in battle, beating and magically sealing the Chaos God into the Darkhold. I really hope we get to see some immensely powerful beings in future films and Wanda / SW can use her powers without being "reasonable". I mean her powers throughout the comics/movies are insane Chaos magic Reality manipulation Energy manipulation Astral projection Probability manipulation Elemental manipulation Flight Able to sense magic Spell casting Nexus being with great influence on time Teleportation Time manipulation Reality warping Witchcraft Force fields Climate control Elemental control Healing Mental / emotional manipulation Telekinetic Illusion Immobilisation Invisibility Power manipulation Multiplication Necromancy Tracking Transmutation Technomagic Telepathy Wanda could manipulate reality, conjure items, create life, manipulate time, teleport, transmute things, affect the weather, control the elements, absorb energy, perform astral projection, and cast spells. Maybe Marvel won't make her that OP but still not holding back her powers in some future movie (maybe her own] would be awesome.

[@brycebomb131]

Is the Dark Dimension a different universe? Are "dimension" and "universe" synonyms?

[@Garanseho]

A dimension is a different plane of existence, but it still exists in the same universe. A universe is the confines of space and time.

[@russellcartledge2248]

In the comics, there's only one dark dimension and every universe can access it. So dimension and universe are not synonyms. Not sure if that will continue to hold true for the MCU though.

[@wuudy_doni]

Dimension are a whole other plane of existence. Like the quantum realm.

[@cinderfeather]

Why was Clea taking him to the dark dimension to fix an incursion that makes no sense.

[@russellcartledge2248]

@@cinderfeather isn't Clea from the dark dimension? This could be a "quick come back to my house and let me show you what I know" situation.

[@matt-thorn]

I don't buy the hex. If it was one Scarlet witch would just make her kids again, but overall she does seem to realize her first hex was a problem. It's unlikely she would go through all this trouble just to settle for an illusion, an illusion she could very well make herself.

[@avennui]

Seems more likely that If dreaming gives one insight into one's other universal selves then Wanda must have surely dreamt of her twins - and when she manifested them on earth-616 it's because she could have subconsciously experienced them - same for that Wanda's awareness of our Wanda's trauma and therefore she empathizes with her even more than she already would have. Nobody is aware of a hex in the other universe and that Wanda doesn't become the scarlet witch - Wanda is looking for a universe where her kids exist/ are REAL - vision doesn't even have to be their father. And to be honest those children are annoying - eating the batter right after she says don't and fighting over who sings the ice cream song etc.

[@babygurleatsshickennuggits4201]

I thought they were kinda adorable, eating the batter anyway is something kids just do although they really shouldn't. It seems like Billy has similar powers to Wanda's in the TV show, so maybe they were using some of that to convince her while singing the song?

[@Esterferreiradecastro]

If there’s one thing I’ve learned in many years of tv shows is that: no body no death wanda is 100% still alive

[@accio_firewhiskey8256]

Not unless we see a body, which we didn't for wanda, she alive

[@annesilva3542]

6:18 “How is that even possible?” Idk dude how is it possible for a sentient super robot AI to exist, or a witch like Wanda to exist?. I didn’t question it, like she said every mother creates their children. Wanda could magic them into being instead of creating the hex in those other realities

[@JPitt1070]

Think about it. No Ultron, no Pietro death. Maybe in this universe he died in the fight against Thanos instead. Maybe that loss of her final piece of family caused her to want to make one of her own. Vision or not.

[@ChronoXShadow]

True. Replace Vision's death in Infinity War with Pietro's.

[@PhilBagels]

Where is Tony Stark in the Illuminati-verse? If he's not there, who created these Ultron-bots?

[@thepianoman808]

@@PhilBagels I assume he died just like the 616 Tony.

[@laurenstanciel1247]

@@PhilBagels He could’ve died fighting Thanos or Ultron was created by Hank Pym like in the comics.

[@emmawright9660]

What you see as idealistic, I see something very close to my childhood. My siblings and I tried to bribe my parents with our singing together. From this experience I believed that in that universe, wanda would call it cute and send them to bed anyway, and our wanda would relent because of course she would.

[@charleslee8313]

I can't recall who brought it up, but... Mordo still has the Eye of Agamotto, meaning it has the Time Stone in it, so he could reverse the DEVASTATING damage that Scarlet Witch did, meaning the Illuminati are still alive in Universe 838.

[@sixty9cuda894]

I don’t recall seeing the stone, though. Dr. Strange still has the Eye of Agamotto as well, but we know he doesn’t have the time stone.

[@blak4831]

@@sixty9cuda894 Yeah, the fact that Strange keeps the Eye around implies that it does more than just hold and manipulate the Time Stone. I don't recall exactly, but I vaguely remember seeing him use it at one point even without the stone in it. Even more, there's no reason to assume that the Eye had the Time Stone in it in every universe.

[@dcbandit]

Maybe Wanda's kids in Wandavision were subconsciously created based on the dream of the real kids in the other dimensions, so they are real in every other dimension, except on that particular Earth in Wandavision. Also works for the house. Considering that dreams in the MCU show your parallel lives across the multiverse, then it feels very likely to me.

[@thepianoman808]

That could also make since for being a nexus being. She’s the only Wanda with no kids.

[@barringtonjohnson2925]

5:46 - 6:08 It’s actually been confirmed that Vision was made with some human tissue and he also in fact DOES have “pipes” and the “plumbing” definitely works soooo it’s quite possible for Vis and Wanda to fool around, it’s even hinted at in Wandavision wen they get under the covers giggling and getting closer as Wanda cut out the lights now mind you this IS still targeted for kids but ADULTS were definitely meant to understand the implications being shown. Because later in that same episode is when Wanda pops up pregnant.

[@ChronoXShadow]

You do know that Vision was created by Ultron, who wholeheartedly believes humans to be flawed? Why would he create himself to be more human, when he's trying to wipe them out? What would be the point if and when he succeeds? Ultron believes in 'building' the perfect him, not procreating the perfect him. Also, it was hinted only because it was a fantasy world made by a broken Wanda who wants her life to be like a sitcom. Perfect opportunity for fake crowd laughter.

[@jakubrejak1114]

@@ChronoXShadow Ultron also believes in evolution, and he believes he could make humans evolve, become stronger. Therefore it's nothing too far fetched to suggest he'd want a stronger, but still human form to continue existing in.

[@blak4831]

@@jakubrejak1114 Quick tweak to that, Ultron believes in Evolution in the wider sense. He doesn't think "I'll make humans stronger," He thinks "I'll replace humans with something stronger (me)"

[@ArcaneEther]

It pretty obvious to me that the MCU Phase 4 will culminate with the Young Avengers, in the same way that Phase 1 ended with the original Avengers. Kate Bishop's Hawkeye has had her origin completely setup in the Hawkeye series. America Chavez's origin is now setup here in Doctor Strange 2. Wiccan / Asgardian (Billy), Speed (Tommy), and Patriot (Elijah Bradley) have had their seeds planted, they just need some proper content to showcase their powers. That only leaves Iron Lad (Nathaniel Richards) and Hulkling (Theodore Altman) to be established. Nate Richards will probably be replaced by either Iron Heart or by Tony Stark's daughter, who might don the Iron Heart armor herself. In the comics, Theodore is the son of the male Captain Marvel and Princess Anelle, daughter of the Skrull Emperor. They will either make him the son of our female Captain Marvel, or just skip that and make him the Skrull Prince as soon as we get more Skrull content covered. Once that's done, they just need some big baddie threat to get all of them together and boom - Young Avengers.

[@savannahjones123]

Agreed

[@zephyr3693]

Agree and I’m pretty excited to see where it goes!

[@Cliffjumper-iu4kt]

One small thing about Billy and Tommy from 838. Since Vision in 838 is implied to have 1. been created in Age of Ultron, and 2. survived Infinity War, that means that the Vision that “fathered” 838’s Billy and Tommy are different from the Vision in the hex of 616. We know he exists because the Ultron sentries we see weren’t created until around the same time that Vision was. If 838’s Ultron succeeded where 616’s failed, he would be put into the Iron Legion, not the Ultron sentries, because the Ultron sentries wouldn’t exist. The Vision created in Age of Ultron that’s implied to still be alive in 838 isn’t entirely robotic, he has organic material implying that it’s more possible (even though idk how much more possible) that he helped biologically create Billy and Tommy. On the other hand, 616’s hex Vision is purely made from Wanda’s memory, i.e. he has no organic material.

[@0ceanque3n]

i actually think the other wanda's kids are real, somehow some way because, the two in the universe we saw didnt seem to have their powers. billy would have sensed the scarlet witch from the get go and tommy didnt display any speed abilities. and since there can only be one scarlet witch the other wandas had to get a happy ending because as you said the one thing we know is that wanda will always become the scarlet witch for her kids. since ultron worked out in that universe maybe wanda met the human version of vision and had actually babies with him. but i mean who knows, could be totally wrong just theorizing

[@josephgriffin6601]

If John Krasinski is going to play Reed Richards, then Rainn Wilson should play Doctor Doom

[@TaraLionheart]

I get the where was Vision question but there was no need for a hex. Wanda's quip that all mothers make their children with magic is enough to explain how her kids are real and alive in other universes.

[@Esterferreiradecastro]

What I don’t get is why she fixated on only that reality, it seemed like her kids would exist in multiple universes, “oh these ones are scared of me? Imma go get other ones” Seems like she just gave up too quickly because plot needed it

[@Devlinator61116]

Except that Wanda specifically says she would never hurt her kids... and then she realized she did hurt them emotionally by showing up out of nowhere and attacking their mother.

[@erikagholston6610]

I think we will see more of Wanda. She brings too much to the story to go away.

[@ToddChristensen27]

I disagree that casting krazinski for Reid Richards and then killing him off is just mean and not okay. Realistically, it would be nice if they had him continue in the role, but would also have worked as a nice fan service to cast him just for this movie

[@prettymucheverything1033]

I believe this is why it was so important for “other” Wanda to get to her boys as fast as she could. Besides the fact that she cares for them, the hex could have faded or they could have left the hex looking for her and realized that they weren’t real

[@kylecarter1599]

Your definition of "nexus being" is incorrect. A nexus being is a being that is the same across all universes in the multiverse and ties their universe to the multiverse, not that they are the only one in the multiverse. In the comics, Wanda is the nexus being for the 616 universe. Also, there can only be one nexus being per universe.

[@marthashepley]

I really feel like we’re gonna get another “civil war”-esk plot. Cause dr strange definitely feels like he should be leading the avengers. However, Sam is captain america so by title, he should be. Which is really reminiscent of Tony vs Steve, so it will be interesting to see how that plays out further down the line. I don’t think it would be a whole movie like civil war was, but possibly a plot line in whatever the next crossover movie is

[@Flaming_Pulsar]

The theory that I stand behind regarding how Billy and Tommy can exist in 838 is that Ultron did still happen mostly the same way that it did in 616 but rather than completely destroying all of the Ultron Sentries, the smart people of 838 (which, in this universe, can notably also include Reed Richards as well as Professor Xavier) were able to reprogram them either in order to defeat Ultron or shortly thereafter. This being the case, all the events that led to Vision existing still happened (with Ultron attempting to build a synthetic body that was ultimately captured by the Avengers and turned into Vision). It is also shown in the movie that 838 Thanos was defeated before acquiring the Mind stone meaning 838 Vision survived the Infinity War era of that universe and was able to live with 838 Wanda where, through whatever magic may have been necessary, 838 Billy and Tommy were created and, also through whatever magic may have been necessary, they aged up to their portrayed age.

[@Saimeren]

10:20 Doubt it. They all knew about Dream Walking, and they all knew that Wanda was doing it. They know that 838 Wanda wasn't the one behind it all.

[@Yattien89]

I reckon Vision didn't appear cos Sam Raimi didn't watch Wandavision (apparently he admitted it), he just got a few points that he needed to have in the film. So probably info about the kids and the hex but not about Vision actually returning. I feel there is no way Vision wouldn't have shown up otherwise.

[@cinderfeather]

Why would Clea take Strange to the Dark Dimension to fix an incursion in 616? That doesn't add up since the Dark Dimension is like the Quantum Realm-an entirely different plane of existence not a different universe. WHY WOULD STRANGE JUST FOLLOW THIS PERSON WITH NO THOUGHT AS TO WHAT SHE'S UP TO , WHERE SHE'S TAKING HIM WHAT THE HECK IS GOING ON?!

[@aedanmannion]

There could be multiple dark dimensions, they aren’t their own reality

[@PerovNigma]

There was a burst of red light coming from the rubble in the wide shot of the Darkhold tower falling apart. That's 100% Wanda escaping (or being taken).

[@martinprohn2433]

Or her dying. We will see. - although, I also think, that she's not dead yet.

[@savannahjones123]

Exactly. No body=no death

[@wolftitan]

What if that other "Hex" isn't exactly the same as Wanda Vision? She used her power to create Billy and Tommy but didn't bring Vision back because she thought he needed to remain dead to preserve his memory. So she never actually took over a town. Just maybe took over say an empty house. I also agree with the Ultron part. She then felt lonely so she created children she never had. P.S. The Illuminati may not be dead... cough, time stone, cough

[@TheRibottoStudios]

This was actually really fascinating cause I'm working on rewriting the Multiverse Of Madness, so here are my unanswered questions I would like to fix in my rewrite: Why are they able to hop universes without there being any stakes to hopping universes? Why does dream walking create incursions? Why is Wanda just not spending all her time dream walking vs trying to find America? Why wasn't 616 Mordo hunting them down for creating an incursion instead of Clea? His whole thing was "the bill comes due." after all. Why all of a sudden when the trio got to the Gap Junction it was in disarray thanks to Kang and not earlier in the film? Why weren't Strange's hands shaking throughout the movie? (this is just a minor nitpick at character consistency) What happens now that Strange has apparently been corrupted by the Darkhold with his third eye yet doesn't seem to be AT ALL BOTHERED BY THIS? That seems very out of character-yes he is willing to shoulder the burden of choice and consequences but he FEELS REMORSE for the choices he makes. He doesn't just go "oh well...onto the next adventure."

[@buckethead60]

I think she didn't want to risk dreamwalking because the Darkhold does have negative effects on the user (third eye, black hands) and she was probably not sure how well things would go if she kept using it nonstop. Second, if she stayed in that universe completely defenseless, someone was gonna find her no matter how hidden she was.

[@DUBS606]

1. I believe the stakes are the threat of the incursion as well. That’s why the Illuminati wanted to kill strange when he shows up. Dream Walking is just pointed at more because up until this point crossing over from one universe to the other was seen as short of impossible with dream walking being the only way to do it and a negative way at that. To address the third eye it will be interesting to see where the mcu takes it. In the comics a third eye I believe is given to a sorcerer when they become more powerful. The original eye of augamoto being his third eye. It could just be a show of more power for strange or it could be a negative thing like we see with the dark hold strange. As for Mordo I would say he was either snapped and that’s why he hasn’t been that big of a threat and that he’s still hunting down the lesser sorcerers before going after Strange and Wong. Besides, Wanda just made his mission a whole lot easier.

[@ChronoXShadow]

So, WAS Quintin Beck from another universe? If not, how did he correctly know our universe is 616? Didn't we see the Book of the Vishanti in Loki(show)? And last question: Is the multiverse much larger than Kang and the TVA leads us to believe? In the TVA, universes fork when an event deviates from the 'sacred timeline'. But, in DS: MoM, every time they view the multiverse, it isn't a branch; it's a spherical web with strands coming off randomly, but only one strand seemingly connecting them to one another. One ball, with one strand, is our timeline. After Sylvie killed He Who Remains, our universe has these infinite strands coming and going for every different outcome, but one strand leads to another non-parallel universe and their possible futures. Just a thought.

[@katherinegilks3880]

In fairness, Billy and Tommy could easily have a dad in the other universe. She could have lost her husband in the past and caused the hex out of grief. (In this universe, the kids were born already and she was a single mum when she caused the hex, so the kids were real.) I thought it was more like her fantasy children were real in another universe, so when she manifested them in WandaVision, they took the form of her real children. So they are real in that universe, not manifestations. They had a real dad who really got Wanda pregnant and she gave birth to them. They were under the influence of the hex, hence them being overly perfect, just like all of the people in Westview.

[@maheenchaudhry9315]

Hey I love your videos. They are literally one of my favorite videos to watch. I have a question I was hoping you (or someone) could answer. I don't know if you've answered this in a video I missed or don't remember but it's Harry Potter related. More specifically thestral related. Thestrals can only be seen by a person who's seen death. But what about pictures of them. Like if someone who can see thestrals snapped a pic of them and showed them to someone who hasn't seen death. Would the person be able to see the thestral in the pic or would he just see the background ?

[@mr.fluffyface431]

You seem to have forgotten something very important that destroys this whole theory: Wanda was only able to create the Hex BECAUSE she's the Scarlet Witch. so if our wanda is the only scarlet witch, then our Hex is the only Hex. Other Wanda's Vision is jusst a human in her universe, and her kids are real. They are just extra cheesy because its a Sam Raimi movie.

[@Rattrap007]

My take is they are real, but also created by a hex. Instead of a hex dome over a town, just Tommy and Billy are manifested and made real. Perhaps it was a sacrifice of her powers that they were given up in creating the kids. Every bit of her powers were drained and she had the twins.

[@GEORGEGEORGEIII]

Given that Elizabeth Olsen has a brand new multi movie contract with Marvel, the chances that she actually “died” are literally zero.

[@0dwin]

My take: First, Power level differences of Wanda is Darkhold and grief. Second, If dreams are different universes and we subconsciously tap into them, the boys could be real and the original bases for the ones in Wandavision. Third J.A.V.I.S. persona was partially based on the real butler of Howard stark. Here me out. What if vision was a human descendant that universe and fell in love with Wanda they were about to have the twins when Avenger base fell on his head in endgame? Wanda still creates a hex but the kids are real and the bases of all other hex children. Which also would make them nexus beings themselves. If their were more of them in the multiverse wouldn't Wanda just go after a set that lost their parents? Loved the video.

[@blak4831]

She can't go after a set that lost their parents, because she can only see universe where she's alive to see dreams from. While it's *possible* she could have possessed her corpse and then scoped out from there, its also clear that the Darkhold is actively playing into her grief and warping her mind. The thought to even *try* and find a universe where her kids were orphaned wouldn't have even crossed her mind

[@Thunderbender18830]

The one problem I have with this is, unless I’m misremembering, the thing that initially drew Agatha to Wanda was how powerful her hex was. The fact that she was able to do a hex that powerful and that wide reaching is what led Agatha to the conclusion that Wanda was the Scarlet Witch. If this other Wanda isn’t the Scarlet Witch, she shouldn’t be able create that hex in the same way our Wanda could.

[@greenisnotacreativecolour]

As to why main MCU Wanda is the most powerful Wanda, it could have been hinted at in the movie - she's the Wanda from the universe where Chthon carved the Darkhold into Mount Wundagore, which they said only existed in that one universe. That might explain why there's loads of Wandas in the multiverse, but only one Scarlet Witch.

[@Saimeren]

9:48 "Know that they'll be loved."

[@xero1048]

Here’s something I only just theorised. Wanda/scarlet witch is the embodiment of the dark hold, while America chavez is the embodiment of the book of vishanti. Think about it, there’s a dark hold in every universe, just as the scarlet witch is a nexus being who exists in every universe. The book of vishanti is a one of a kind in the multiverse, just like America chavez. Her powers also appeared in the book when it was damaged, so she already has a link to it.

[@limalicious]

Wiccan has to survive, Hulkling needs his boyfriend!

[@AnythingGeeky]

Just give Wanda a happy ending... please! For the love of Pete

[@bennusmagnus5277]

11:13 Keep in mind, they did the same thing to quicksolver in Wandavision.

[@thesausageman5388]

9:00 Vision is created by Ultron to be his ultimate weapon, and is then stolen and used against him by stark and jarvis. 9:42 if Ultron was never a threat why would she have lost her brother

[@Madillusionist]

This is so interesting, as having watched everything everywhere all at once. They actually went with a similar idea that with infinite possibilities and universes, you have every variant of the same person but with slightly different potential, where essentially you can put them on a scale of personal potential of 0 to 100. So by that logic The Scarlet Witch title is only given to the Wanda of our universe who is at her 100% potential.

[@DavidAmrod]

In our MCU, Wanda was blipped for 5 years. In the Ultronbotverse, Billy and Tommy could have been alive and grew naturally to 10 years old. So then, the reason they look the same as the one's in our MCU is because Wanda DREAMED about them. This is not my idea, but it is a good one. I want to say it was from ScreenCrush, but I am not sure.

[@_dav_eed_]

One thing I’ve always wondered. If Wanda didn’t want to lose the kids, why didn’t she just make the hex planet-wide but drop the mind control part? Her kids could live and so could literally everyone else.

[@-joke-]

One thing I picked up on was that each dr. Strange has a different color. And there is the color univers. (616 Dr strange is orange like his magic). Does everyone have a different color according to their personality?

[@coopermcdaid7221]

The reason vision isnt there is because in that universe, the ultron program was successful, as seen by the illumanti guards. But this still begs the question, if the illumanti killed thanos on titan, and vision never existed, then why would Wanda be living in the hex?

[@TheDarrionChannel]

If she is so powerful, can’t she simply create them in her universe? To materialize them into flesh and blood

[@raymortamour4086]

She isnt a god/diety.

[@samhobbs9116]

Yes she really could

[@samhobbs9116]

@@raymortamour4086 Yes she basically was. One in a multiverse with an entire temple and altar dedicated to her and her power. Sounds like a god to me mate.

[@raymortamour4086]

@@samhobbs9116 the pharaohs were seens as goods but were they really gods? Lol

[@samhobbs9116]

Not even a reasonably close or fair comparison. Verging on gaslighting territory quite frankly.

[@megaxfull]

Thing is, wouldnt Wanda instantly notice it if she was inside a Hex? Even if she didnt, whenever she went out to fight the iluminaty, she would have seen it was a hex, so she would have no motivation at all to stay in that world, yet she still has.

[@khodexus4963]

I still think it was a mistake not to get Eric Bana to play Bruce Banner, and have a variant Tony Stark played by someone like Tom Cruise instead of the alternate Captain Marvel in the Illuminati. Would have reinforced the idea that sometimes people's variants do look different. They also should have had at least one Doctor Strange variant played by another actor. Maybe even someone else from the MCU like Robert Downey Jr.

[@knitcrochettiger361]

Movie Rules 101: No body, no confirmed death....possible return

[@deadgyrl1313]

From what I remember from the comics, she created her children using powerful magic, she didn't trap a town... So maybe that version of Wanda just used the powerful spell without hurting anyone.

[@DisArt95]

To add to your NWH comment, Sylvie, Gator Loki, Boastful Loki, Classic Loki, and Kid Loki are all Loki variants not played by Hiddleston WHILE ALSO President Loki and Frost Giant Loki (What If) being variants played by Hiddleston. Then there’s Thor and Party Thor played by Hemsworth but Thwog and Mighty Thor (who MIGHT be a variant) played by Portman who aren’t played by Hemsworth. ALSO ALSO ACTUALLY ACTUALLY there’s two Eddie Brocks in the Multiverse (Spider-Man 3 and Venom 1/2) AND two Osborne families (Spider-Man trilogy and TASM2) AND two Doctor Connors (SM2/3 and TASM1) AND three Aunt Mays AND at least two Uncle Bens, but probably three So yeah MOST MCU characters are played by the same actors but then you get in the nitty-gritty and there’s a lot of variance.

[@Famoth83]

I haven't watched this movie yet, but I also want you to support your guys channel. So Enjoy the view count plus of this playing in the background on mute.

[@CosplaysConsCuisineEtc]

Can anyone explain that if the multiverse has the same people with the same name with possibly the same kinds of powers (i.e. Strange a mystic in every universe? Wanda still a witch?), then why are there different people named Spider-Man, Mary Jane etc, in Spidey No Way Home? Thoughts?

[@sylvy16]

this is only true in the few universes we have seen. There are probably many universes where dr strange isn’t a sorcerer. Similarly in many universes peter parker is spider-man whereas in other universes someone else has taken the mantle.

[@CosplaysConsCuisineEtc]

@@sylvy16 possibly. Though didn't America comment that every Strange she'd encounter did the same thing before 616? And the odds of a Peter Parker having the same name as another Peter Parker with different faces who have been bitten by a spider doesn't seem very high to me. I get that they could have gone different paths for there to be different Spider-Man. I mean, look at the Loki series. Ok, Loki has different versions of himself but he's a shapeshifter. But what about Mobius? He's the same face and same name. *shrugs* Perhaps I'm overanalyzing things.

[@alexperry2406]

You’re thinking about the kids “paradox” from the wrong angle. It wasn’t a matter of other Wanda’s having the same children they had randomly created inside a hex - 616 Wanda had always dreamt about her kids - they had existed the whole time in other dimensions. When she creates them in WandaVision, it wasn’t random or by accident - she was manifesting two sons she had always seen in her dreams.

[@AnimeGirlRulz14]

Is Dr stranger's third eye similar to the tattoo the Ancient One had & how she was drawing energy from dark dimension

[@Huebz]

You know Billy and Tommy are real in various other universes because Wanda very clearly explains just that to Doctor Strange. She doesn’t have kids.m, but other Wanda’s do. Hard to say for certain if these exact ones are since it was a universe they crash landed into but we know there are real variants.

[@sfsin3380]

It's possible that none of the rules/problems with the 616 Hex would count in any other universe as Agatha says that the spell was wrong. Had Wanda done it right it's possible that no one would have noticed there was any issues with Westview. It was only threw a flaws in the Hex that SWORD could even notice that the town was missing in the first place.

[@devikab2181]

Big question still hovering around my mind - Christine Palmer died in our reality, earth 616. Also in every version of reality in “What If”. How come she was alive again in our reality, earth 616 again & again getting married???

[@superdonut1002]

838 Wanda Wouldnt Have Made a Hex because There Wasnt a Vision. Billy and Tommy are Probrably Real in 838 Then, Right?

[@Olimar92]

Strange only said the kids never existed in their universe. There is a possibility of people existing in some universes and not others. Just look at Vision, he doesn't exist if Ultron works properly. Alternate Wanda could of had a different life, and she isn't the Scarlet Witch either. It's not impossible that a couple of kids are just being nice to try and get an extra scoop of ice cream before bed. It's also not a constant that Strange doesn't get married. America asks if he is, which would mean she's met a Dr. Strange who was. She's been to like 70 universes, even the one where everyone is paint. There's also the universe where Wolverine is dating Hercules, and his skeleton is coated in Adamintine instead of Adamantium. Or the Universe where Tony Stark is a women and marries Capt. America. The possibility that Wanda actually has children in the infinite span of the Multiverse, isn't crazy. Remember 616 Wanda wanted to go to the other universe and replace the other Wanda. If it was just another Hex, what would be the point?

[@christophershowalter1689]

Can you do a video about what’s up with the Tony Stark/Iron Man storyline? We got just a bit of closure in Spider-Man: FFH, but I think they’re intentionally leaving that storyline in the dark

[@andrewherold3588]

I would say that people are kinda thinking of it backwards, the kids that Wanda manifests in the Hex are her interpretation of her kids from the other universe. Those children are real, have a father, yadda yadda, and in the wake of 616 Wanda’s grief, she inadvertently creates copies of the children she has in the alternate universe

[@CelticShaman.]

not to bring in real world explanations to whether or not a fictional character survived or not, but Elizabeth Olsen apparently extended her contract with marvel for several more years so based on that alone probably not dead.

[@EpicMuttonChops]

in 838, westview doesn't have a hex, vision is alive (dead thanos doesn't have the timeor mind stones), billy and tommy are real, wanda and vision just aren't married 838 IS NOT OUR 616 THEY LITERALLY DON'T HAVE TO BE EXACTLY THE SAME

[@jj-reads]

I am hoping as a huge Young Avengers fan that Billy and Tommy already exist in the 616 universe, with their individual families from the comics and maybe even as teens also like they are in the comics. They were never real as Billy and Tommy MAXIMOFF in that universe but Billy Kaplan and Tommy Shepard may exist

[@sorensanders8413]

Why would she lose her brother? He was killed by Ultron. As Ultron never went rogue in her universe, shouldn't her brother still be alive?

[@joeoleary4700]

What about Franklin Richards? A multiversal level character just lost his dad which would be a massive problem if he blames Dr. Strange and becomes a villain

[@DoloresJNurss]

It's possible that a Wanda who didn't go though the "last straw" experience of having to kill the love of her life might have made a smaller hex, just the size of her house and yard, for Billy and Tommy to grow up in. This would free up energy to gradually feed into solidifying the reality of the twins so that they could eventually leave the nest.

[@saikou5401]

Loved this video! Need more marvel and Star Wars videos for sure!

[@BrockSamsonite]

The only only "person" in the multiverse who's facial likeness changes is Spider-Man.

[@indi370]

I actually skipped most of this video hoping there were some other questions but it's all based around the central (and flawed) idea that there can't possibly be a universe where Wanda is actually happy with real kids, Strange gets the girl(just saying there could be one despite not seeing it yet), and a universe where kids are that sickly sweet. All of those things are possible, and considering they have said that there are infinite universes, that is possible (and actually impossible for it to not be the case) e.g. "Our" Strange is different from all the rest. Just ask America. To summarize, if Strange can be different from all other versions of him that we know of, why can't Wanda? Or are you saying the rules are different for him (Strange) than for her (Wanda)? Just want to add that I love this channel. I've been watching for years and will continue to watch. I just think that you missed the mark with this theory, but that's why it's a "Marvel Film Theory". Also a theory isn't a theory without debate, cause that's just a fact.

[@cami4CYeshua787]

So let me get this straight… 616 Wanda is our Wanda who is the one and only Scarlet Witch. Every Wanda creates a hex but it will always eventually fall, so when our Scarlet Witch Wanda realizes this she transfers her twins to another Wanda. When that surrogate Wanda drops the hex the twins now live bc the surrogate Wanda’s hex didn’t apply to them. And given all that, eventually our Scarlet Witch Wanda will return. Did I get all that right?

[@burlap_stoat]

Originally when Billy didn't want to be tucked in... Did Wanda make him want to be tucked in during her dream?

[@noahclaycameron]

Now I want to reskin Wandavision and other scenes where Wanda reveals a Hex with Mario ghost house music