Supercharger Access DENIED For Non-Teslas. About Time?

[@PJWey]

Tottenham supercharger is ridiculously over crowded and also a very tight site. I charged my MG4 here last Dec 23, but there was a queue and I charged only 10 mins but seeing non Teslas camping going to 100% probably taxis etc on cheap rates. Totally understandable.

[@TeslaJigsaw]

Thanks for the insight 👍

[@Popdog76]

Exactly what I thought

[@DominicNSX]

Best EV channel period! The guy is brilliant!

[@TeslaJigsaw]

Wow! Very kind of you, thanks! 🙏

[@mconnah1]

The question is, would Ford have opened their network if they had one? I think not.

[@TeslaJigsaw]

Doubtful 🤨

[@8dcphoto]

Yes they are part of the IONITY consortium

[@DiegoMejia86]

If they wanted nevi funding, they would have opened it. Rivian is doing the same.

[@sza2bom]

you have to understand that policy makers plan to force Tesla to open them anyways, they just try to do enough to make it stupid to force it.

[@Tantaku]

literally yes, the network they are opening is open to teslas lmao

[@mikoske]

In Finland many stations are open to other EVs, however I have not seen a single non-Tesla on superchargers this summer. This is most likely due to Tesla pricing themselves out of the competition. Even the Tesla owner prices at superchargers are higher than most chargers. I currently have 20k km free supercharging and no home charging, so I visit a supercharger once a week or once in two weeks.

[@Chris-mh3vf]

Remember it’s a lot cheaper for government to force the largest most reliable network owner to open their private units to all, than actually do anything about charging infastructure.

[@user_ann8282]

Since when does ‘cheaper’ matter for the government. It is easier than actually changing anything that’s true

[@rogerstarkey5390]

Where did Government "Force" Tesla to open their network? IF you look back, Tesla OFFERED use of their network from Day 1, with the reasonable conditions that manufacturers using the network would contribute expansion and maintenance costs. There were no takers (In fact they were laughed at) Also, those manufacturers would require a suitable interface, both in terms of physical connection and software. Who's problem should that be? . I you believe Tesla should have made their system compatible... There WAS no unified system at the time Tesla began theirs, so they just "got on with it" (and produced what is STILL the most elegant, cost effective solution) . What "The government" SHOULD do? Announce either a "competition", or mandate to all suppliers requiring a solution which matches the best available in terms of: 1) Unit cost per charger. 2) Installation time and site impact. 3) Charge cost to the customer. . THEN Announce an opportunity for others to build "The best option" under licence (With cooperation from the producer of that system) Declare that the resulting network will have either a Unified price strategy, or hold pricing within... 10% of that available from the company producing the "Baseline" system (Guess who). FROM THE GOVERNMENT..... THEY should reduce the current VAT levied on Dc Fast Charging form 20% to the standard rate for UK electricity of 5%)

[@bobbybishop5662]

The government isn't forcing Tesla to share it's chargers. That's a false statement.

[@MendicantBias1]

@@Chris-mh3vf Tesla voluntarily opened the network. No forced by government nonsense.

[@russcraig1216]

@@MendicantBias1 which is a smart move as it gets the credit rather than being forced to do it at some point. I reckon they did as expanding the market for EVs requires the charging situation to be improved for all. As the journalists and ICE enthusiasts just argue that EVs are bad rather than Teslas

[@antoniopalmero4063]

Well done , great informative and entertaining video . Glad I just bought a MODEL 3 LR .

[@NormalShock]

It's ok if the charge port is properly positioned to use the Supercharger layout. That should have been a condition for using the SC network long term. But Tesla didn't require it .....

[@busog97641]

I totally agree with you on this. I have a VW ID.4, and even *IF* I was allowed to use the network I would not, just because, well, for two reasons. Firstly because I feel that they should not be opened for other manufacturers (although that is what allowed them be a national standard), and secondly, the port on my vehicle is is placed in the worst place possible.

[@rogerstarkey5390]

@@busog97641 Does beg the question.... At the initial meeting of the CCS Consortium, circa 2010 (correct me) WHY was the second question, after "Who wants Coffee and Bikkies" not "So guys, where are we going to place the *Standard* charge port location on ALL cars? How about Right Front/ Left Rear?" Then when the objections of "We already have the tooling for (existing) locations! (In cars being converted)" The next question SHOULD have been.... "How about a date of 2016 to allow a STANDARD location in you next generation cars?"

[@joebullwinkle5099]

I'm in the US on the West coast and so far I haven't seen any non Tesla vehicles on my few Supercharger sessions, during the last few months. However given that most of the non Tesla Ev's will use two charging bays with V3 Superchargers, I'm quite leery on opening up the V3 network to non Tesla's. The V4 Superchargers have started to be installed in the US ~ 4-6 months ago, however still today ~80% of new installs are V3's. V4 chargers are quite slow to roll out right now. I personally feel that Non Tesla's that cannot use 1 bay only should be limited to V4 Superchargers only! The other EV manufacturers didn't make any effort at all until just recently to provide publics fast DC chargers in the US. Tesla did right from the start, and that's one of the primary reasons I bought a Tesla!

[@joshuarosen465]

Most Supercharger locations are underutilized where i live, generally 25% of the stalls in use, so i don't have a problem with Tesla opening those up to non Teslas but for heavily trafficed locations i would hope that Tesla would limit those sites to Tesla only. I also want to see Tesla limit charging of non Teslas to 80%. Tesla limits charging to 80% when sites get to 50% occupancy. NonTeslas have their charge ports on the wrong side so they take up two spots so Tesla should apply the crowded location policy to nonTeslas all the time.

[@russcraig1216]

I think the answer is for Tesla to grow their network. Especially outside the big cities. I don't think limiting charging to Teslas helps build the market. Tesla needs people to move from ICE as it gives them a bigger addressable market. The superchargers are a great marketing tool. I am thinking of replacing my wife's car with an ICE and Tesla is on the shortlist mainly because I have grown fond of them through providing reasonably priced and fast charging.

[@steverobinson2389]

I appreciate your concern but then don’t use another charging network at peak times and restricts. All these things are a double edged sword

[@nickmcconnell1291]

I think Tesla is seeing, at least in the U.S.A, that the OEMs aren't serious about producing as many EVs as they might have indicated to Tesla earlier. That makes it fairly easy for Tesla to allow the OEMs to use up to half of the Tesla chargers in the US. However over on your side of the pond there are tons of EVs being sold and the Chinese are coming in with their cars. This means that congestion at Tesla chargers could easily cause issues. I'm wondering if there are laws in place, in that area you are talking about, ensuring that Tesla cannot charge a premium to non-Tesla EVs? That may explain why they closed the site to non-Teslas all together rather than just making the price to charge non-Teslas exhorbitant.... which also might have worked?

[@rogerstarkey5390]

What is being seen, "at least in the uSA" (and increasingly everywhere else) is the end game of the industry and Government ignoring The Master Plan (2006) Rather than "The Big 3" (etc) recognising the opportunity and developing both the vehicles and ecosystem, Hubris (and "influence from others") persuaded them that "Business as usual" was the best path. End result? In 2006 they had the opportunity to compete with and almost certainly overwhelm "Small Tesla". Instead, they are now facing the industrial equivalent "cliff face" of a 20 year advantage for "HUGE Tesla". . Side note, I *can't* help comparing this to the general (Non-Automotive) geopolitical situation between uSA (etc) and "The HUGE Country starting with "C". Take a step back and the similarity is remarkable. . Does uSA have a heavy dose of "Added Hubris" in their Breakfast Cereal?? (Joking.... ish)

[@X5493-c7p]

I was going to say when I get a Tesla I will want the network for fellow Tesla owners only :-), however with the current lot in charge of the UK I’ll be lucky if I can afford an e-bike after their tax raid on anyone that has more than two pennies to rub together!

[@johnfranklin6394]

get it right away then, before the October budget ;-)

[@pollywollydo]

@@johnfranklin6394sound advice 👍

[@hendrx]

This will drive people even further away from EV's since gas stations are everywhere

[@ouethojlkjn]

Over 30% of service stations in the UK have closed in the last 10 years. The numbers peaked in the early 2000s and have been in decline ever since. Many more will go when supermarkets decide ev charging is more of a loss leading crowd puller than petrol forecourts. There is no law dictating that every location has to have it's own fuel station. I used to work in the Oil industry in the late 80s and early 90s and there was a huge shift in profit (downward) when supermarkets started opening their own forecourts. Most Service stations in the UK run on the slimmest of margins - unlike the actual fuel suppliers, who continue to make a fortune from their closed shop.

[@whatsay8406]

I think Tesla may have under estimated the weight their charging network plays on people buying their cars. If I can now buy the EV I really like and want, plus get the convenient of the Tesla charging network, then why buy Tesla?

[@Alarix246]

@@whatsay8406 but if Tesla underestimated it, how do you express the behavior of the rest? Is there any EV manufacturing company that makes their own chargers? I don't think so. Only Nio makes their swapping stations but that is such insanely expensive odea that it will crush them eventually.

[@hendrx]

gas stations are everyhere, for everyone ..

[@rogerstarkey5390]

@@hendrx For now....... But take a look at Norway.

[@hendrx]

@@rogerstarkey5390 Norways is faaar ahead the rest of the world, they actually have politicians who care.

[@whatsay8406]

@@hendrx Of course, they’ve had 120 + years to build the infrastructure. EV charging is getting there. Doesn’t happen over night, nor did gas stations.

[@Rexbilly9819]

Tesla Superchargers are brilliant. Easy to connect for non Tesla vehicles on their app, fast charging speeds and affordable pricing. Puts other public charging companies to shame. Just wish their charging cables were a bit longer.

[@ouethojlkjn]

The shorter cables were there for improved efficiency but with the V4 chargers, the cables are much longer. I would not be surprised to see longer cables retrofitted if allowing other cars to charge is a money spinner.

[@steveanderson5226]

Nice detectoristing ;) from both of you! That was very entertaining, many thanks.

[@TeslaJigsaw]

Thank you 🙏

[@orinemia]

In all my road tripping, have used a Tesla charger just once. It doesn't make one bit of difference whether they open them up to other brands or not. Delusions of grandeur...

[@rogerstarkey5390]

Well, GOOD FOR YOU!

[@ouethojlkjn]

It sure does make a difference in Tottenham. Here in the UK there are vast differences in the tesla network and any other network. Reliability, location, value for money. Why do you think this Tesla location was swamped? Because there are better alternatives?

[@orinemia]

Tottenham does not the UK forest make. I sort of agree that there are differences in the infrastructure around the UK but infrastructure is catching up in leaps and bounds...I have been all over the UK the last 4 years in my Polestar 2 and have only used a Tesla supercharger once in Aviemore.

[@K12beano]

Thanks for the sleuthing there! 👀👍🏻

[@nickmcconnell1291]

Yes thanks for asking Grok.

[@TeslaJigsaw]

🕵️‍♂️🔍👀

[@boltvalley3076]

Mmm.... Sound like iPad when they talked about port wires and USB style Vs the core vision of iPad minimal performance with low production cost. Sounds like it.

[@snookmeister55]

I applaud this decision by Tesla. Loyalty first

[@kelviskelvis7140]

This is a UK based story. The CCS2 standard in Europe has nothing to do with J3400 adoption in N/A.

[@flashback9966]

Last week, there were quite a lot of non-Tesla's at Amesbury (A303) and Exeter (M5). Didn't see that a year ago.

[@Carguytct]

I saw a headline recently that states, "GM has make Tesla superchargers available to Chevrolet Bolt." Seriously???

[@Jaw0lf]

Great to see that Tesla seems to be watching how well shared chargers are coping. Nice to see they will close them off if need be.

[@noseboop4354]

This is exactly what I tried to warn people about when every car maker decided to adopt Tesla's charging ports and networks. They lure you in with promises of a good standard, but once everyone is hooked they beat you up for your money and control.

[@rogerstarkey5390]

No, it's nothing of the sort. It's an indication of the inadequacy of OTHER brands, not able, or willing to support their customers. Those "Makers" were slow, but correct to adopt the standard in the uSA, simply because it was increasingly apparent they had no viable choice . In Europe? a COMPLETELY different scenario.... TESLA came to the area slightly later with their Mass Market Vehicle (M3) and THEY adapted to the predominant standard (CCS2) They they proceeded to provide FAR better facilities than competition at that time. THEY prompted others to raise their game, unfortunately, in some locations, those others failed to do so. The point is, "every car maker DID NOT (in this case) decide to adopt the Tesla charge port" "every maker" DID (seemingly) wait for TESLA to dig them out of the charging problem THEY created by not taking the opportunity to invest in a viable network. When have they "Beat customers up for money and control"? Tesla chargers are STILL often 50-60% the price to use compared to others. THAT might make them popular? But, their primary objective (/Duty) over all others has been to provide service to TESLA customers. If the popularity of a site compromises the service to Tesla owners, they are CORRECT to restrict the service. What this SHOULD be is a VERY clear message to other Charge providers that there IS an opportunity to provide a charging solution in that area. (Do you KNOW the location? I do, it's on a major commuter route, between 3 major "National Highways" (M1, A10, M11) close to large shopping areas. It's GOING TO BE BUSY) . What did I miss?

[@ouethojlkjn]

An example would be the old CD recording format. Pioneered by two companies and then widely adopted by the rest of the industry. There is no copyright on either CCS2 or NACS standards, anyone is welcome to adopt them for free.

[@tonybarretto1628]

The price has gone up to deter non tesla without membership… that seems to be the way to go 🤷‍♀️🤨

[@randybull01]

I'm in the USA, but when I took my rented Tesla 3 to a Tesla charging lot, there were 20 charging stations and I was the only one there. And this was in the middle of the day. I don't know how much Tesla pays to keep the lot running, plus taxes and rental fees, but I would think having more people paying money would be a big help to off setting cost.

[@rogerstarkey5390]

Was there a Megapack on site? (THAT'S where the money will be made 😉)

[@bobbybishop5662]

Was at a Buc-ees over Labor Day weekend. This Buc-ees location had 200 gas pumps , everyone in use. They had probably 40 chargers , middle of the day on a busy holiday weekend there were 3 Teslas charging . They should have put in 50 more pumps instead of wasting money on those chargers.

[@ouethojlkjn]

Tottenham, where I grew up, is always a busy place to live and work. I can fully imagine these cheap, superfast, reliable, convenient chargers being continually swamped. They were probably used as parking spaces too. I am not surprised that this location, also a service and sales centre, would soon get fed up of non Tesla EVs clogging the forecourts and obstructing actual Tesla customers. Such is the price of popularity I suppose. This situation also shows the huge pent up demand that could be exploited by companies set on making a viable alternative to Tesla chargers. But what do I know.

[@TeslaJigsaw]

Thanks for your thoughts 👍

[@nickpiponides3501]

I've been a private hire EV owner (Ioniq 5) for 2.5 years. All was good until charging prices went from 20-30p/kwh to over 80p/kwh in a matter of weeks. The Tottenham centre was a Godsend for people loke me who earn a living from driving (even if it did mean getting evil glares from Tesla owners). This closure has been a disaster for us as it's more than doubled our charging expenditure. They should've at least allowed non tesla evs charge out of hours, say between 10pm to 6am.

[@TeslaJigsaw]

Perhaps Tesla will add an additional site nearby if this still remains busy. Maybe give Hyundai a call and ask where their charging locations are? It's annoying Tesla has to provide all the decent charging solutions. Have you considered just swapping to a Tesla?

[@Hayles6677]

If the other EV’s dominate a Tesla supercharger then I’m guessing it needs to be Tesla only. Maybe space is at a premium. Get my MY 🍒 tomorrow so wish me luck.

[@HåkanWittlåck]

The biggest problem is cars that take up two charging points to charge one car. Cars that have the charging hatch so they can charge at Tesla and stand in one place are no problem. Was on vacation this summer and there were lots of charging stations that were occupied by cars that are on two charging boxes. In addition, the navigation indicates that these seats are vacant even though it is a car that takes up two seats, which is extremely annoying.

[@silverghini2629]

This is an issue only for V2 and V3 sites - not V4 as they have longer cables.

[@ManuelModel3]

WELL DONE TESLA👌

[@Hugo-py2ce]

Finally, about time. Tesla only! If you have a tesla.

[@ISuperTed]

So to summarise, the sites will stay open to all as long as people aren’t being twats.

[@TeslaJigsaw]

Err… sort of. Supercharger locations will continue to open up to other EV drivers so long as they don’t get swamped, as this location has

[@Clickbait540]

Hawk twats?

[@ouethojlkjn]

I was up in the Scottish borders and there was a nearby service station to our hotel with 8 superchargers (non Tesla) and I saw this scrote in an old Audi A7 swing into the charger bays, right down the middle of two bays - blocking both, while there were literally dozens of free parking bays including outside the front of the shop. People are indeed twats.

[@billbell3737]

The EV market is a fast moving and ever changing landscape. Tesla doesn't have infinite insight into how things will work. They took a bold move to open up their superchargers. They are just tweaking their network for optimal use. I would do the same thing.

[@rugbygirlsdadg]

Presumably because earlier superchargers V2 and V3 don't have long enough cables and numpties in charging ports in other than the same location as Teslas are blocking chargers?

[@rogerstarkey5390]

The chargers have "long enough cables", The problem is the inability of the other manufacturers to decide on a standard location.

[@stevebbbbi5438]

Sure am glad I charge my tesla y 99.98 percent of the time at home. Live in the USA and they are open for every E V now😢😮

[@pip5461]

Most interesting to say the least...

[@steverobinson2389]

So if the Tesla Super Charging network is closed to only Tesla cars that’s fine if Tesla driver don’t use any other network 😮

[@Tezlawatch]

Whoooo. You clickbait’er. 😂🤣😂 good info .👌

[@TeslaJigsaw]

😬🤷‍♂️

[@SuperJK-Man]

Tesla Superchargers need to be exclusive to Tesla owners. Other EV producing companies and the government could have invested with Tesla in building the most reliable charging infrastructure, which no other company wanted to invested

[@rogerstarkey5390]

No, they don't. BUT, related to what you say, other brand owners need to follow a couple of rules. 1) Don't be a "Dick" when charging at a a busy Tesla location, treat it as a privilege, not a right. . 2) Rather than moaning about Tesla, "Pull your fingers out" and DEMAND that Government and the OTHER providers make the alternative both "Better" (Reliable) AND at reduced price (a reduction to 5% VAT on the energy would help? Same as the domestic rate)

[@boltvalley3076]

After looking all the comments: Tasla has 3 problem: 1. Government grants 2. Winter cost 3. Reverse ideas users The video is not solving this problem when it comes to cost vs convenience. So far its sound like luxury car in the ev platform. I will see you the end of year on the KZbin page. Let see if they have answer the all the questions.

[@terryrodbourn2793]

it was a local ev taxi business charging their vehicles on Tesla site, hence the shutdown!

[@ouethojlkjn]

Unlike Ford and GM, I do not recall Tesla getting any Government grants or even loans. What grants are you referring to? Not sure what you mean about winter cost - all vehicles have an implied cost, mostly relating to the driver rather than the weather. At least you don't have to service and maintain Teslas like you do with Internal Combustion alternatives. No spark plugs, oil, clutches, turbos, filters, exhausts, gearboxes, brake disks, brake pads, serpentine belts, cam belts, water pumps, alternators - you know - the things that don't cost anything at all, even in winter. You will have to elaborate on what you mean by "Reverse ideas users" - no idea what you are referring to here.

[@stephenbagwell8275]

I think the latest Tesla Superchargers open to all have chargers in the middle of the parking spaces

[@johnfranklin6394]

Yes and no. The V4s are often cited as you say, meaning there is almost zero chance of a non-Tesla blocking two bays. However, this can still potentially happen when the parking spaces are too short. There is a V4 location near me (Trentham Gardens) with V4 SCs open to all EVs. But, the spaces are short, so the chargers are located at the rear left of the spaces. I was charging there recently when a Kia EV9 pulled in next to me. It was so huge it had to reverse back beyond the charger, which then meant it could not get the cable around the back of itself to the rear right corner where the charge port is located. This resulted in much back and forth until the driver got it just right while their husband shouted directions from outside. I feared for his safety and my right wing. They managed to connect in the end, but the cable was pulled taught. However, the EV9 is an outlier, it is just huge!

[@stephenbagwell8275]

@@johnfranklin6394 I got in an end bay at Trentham Gardens. I see what you mean about the spaces being short. The cable was a bit short too I don’t know how the EV9 got car of the year because it’s too big

[@rogerstarkey5390]

@@johnfranklin6394 You mean when the vehicle is too long?

[@MarkHewitt1978]

Looks like a special case of Central London, being London it has issues and requirements that really don't exist elsewhere. Hopefully this isn't a rollback there are some parts of the country eg Northumberland where there's nothing other than the Tesla chargers and not much else for some distance.

[@rogerstarkey5390]

It's actually the Major Northern Ring Road around "Central London". As such it's fed by the 3 major roads from the north AND the M25.... It's going to be busy... AND it's a size restricted site.... AND it seems like a local company (Maybe one of the major car hire companies?) has "Hijacked" the location as a convenient charging opportunity? If so, THEY are at fault.

[@ouethojlkjn]

I was concerned about a similar experience when we were up in the Scottish borders earlier this year but it turned out there were all sorts of chargers dotted about (not necessarily Tesla or super chargers) but with a little planning we were fine. The trouble with chargers is they are not exactly obvious like a fuel station. abetterrouteplanner and zapmap augmented what was already a very good lie of the land on the Tesla's satnav mapping.

[@MarkHewitt1978]

@@ouethojlkjn to be fair in Northumberland I got by on a diet of destination chargers mostly 3.6kW. I was lucky as I got the last charging space on each occasion.

[@batchint]

if only I could have a vee four… 🎉 not the eeer… powerwall v4..

[@sterobloc6645]

So owning a 2007, Mazda 5 . . . I'm Stuffed then?

[@TeslaJigsaw]

I think you'll be just fine 👌

[@DanBurgaud]

A similar / parallel incident about ATMs happened in Philippines. An ATM pioneer bank installed the largest ATM network nationwide. Other banks (late to install ATMS) could not compete; so they decided to pool resources and offered interoperability - anyone can access any ATMs within this group except the arrogant pioneer. Fast forward to today: the pioneer's ATM card holders has to pay hefty fees to access the other banks' ATM. You can guess who is the loser in this story.

[@rogerstarkey5390]

Are you calling Tesla an "Arrogant Pioneer"? You DO know they came to Europe late, AND that they offer far cheaper pricing? Stop trying to fit a story to match your confirmation bias.

[@DanBurgaud]

@@rogerstarkey5390 The point of the story is if you exclude others, they will remember and reciprocate to your disadvantage. If you fail to understand that, it is your loss not mine.

[@drjekelmrhyde]

If Tesla took money from the government to build those chargers, then take all that money back.

[@ouethojlkjn]

Tesla did not take any money from the UK Government to build out their mature supercharger network. Other companies certainly did. And I agree, that money should indeed be taken back. Along with all the tax breaks and incentives the Oil industry gets - that too.

[@universeisundernoobligatio3283]

Until non Tesla EV’s put their charge ports in the ideal location, keep the away from Tesla chargers.

[@wydryfly]

Brilliant on Tesla. Give non Tesla owners an appetizer of the awesomeness of the Tesla charging experience and then remove the plate. What an incentive to switch to Tesla vehicles! Tesla currently owns the charging game.

[@russcraig1216]

Tesla won't backtrack on open to all as they would come under regulatory pressure to open up their network if they kept it closed. If they were a minor player they could get away with it for a long time but not in their position. It's also good business (they sell more electricity) and good marketing as long as they deliver a great experience. Frankly the other charging networks need to up their game.

[@ouethojlkjn]

This is a UK centric view and in the UK there is total chaos with charging infrastructure. Tesla is the only network that actually works and is affordable. Things are improving but still a ways to go for hapless non Tesla EV drivers. Note that it is very common for ICE vehicles to use charging bays as parking bays just for spite. Before you even get into the world of EV drivers.

[@russcraig1216]

@@ouethojlkjn Tesla Open to All gives Tesla a better ROI which in turn improves the business case for expanding their network. The reality is that Tesla provide the only reasonably priced fast charger network in the UK. For slower and more rural charging there is Chargeplace Scotland but their pricing depends on local councils. Other than that it's pretty awful. I agree that ICEing people is pathetic and small-minded thuggery but reckon EV owners should be united. I am happy to see all kinds of EV and like the increasing variety.

[@Withnail1969]

There's no money in EV charging.

[@tonybarretto1628]

Tesla provides the cheapest EV superchargers and they could build a big network to support all manufacturers…

[@rogerstarkey5390]

How about, rather than "Supporting" others... If someone in government "Suggests" that "others" be given the opportunity to build Tesla chargers under licence, including the fast deployment systems. That they be allowed to brand those chargers as their own. That they take charging revenue. That Tesla, as a benefit for providing the technology, be provided a contract to build the Battery backup required (desirable) on site. That Tesla sell energy at a preferential rate (Essentially "At cost" plus a small percentage), making the charging cheaper. ("Spare" energy collected off peak could be sold to the National Grid for normal profit) That charging cost be within a certain percentage of a baseline nationally, meaning you won't get the Cheap location bottleneck". . Then If Government fast tracked the planning process and reduced VAT to the "Going rate" of 5%... It's an all round win.

[@pollywollydo]

@@rogerstarkey5390 an pigs MIGHT FLY 🙂

[@worldspam5682]

"tesla ports are better and should be a standard" Well, well, well, who could have guessed that a greedy corp won't do anything bad with this power.

[@jppalm3944]

Non Tesla sick of non Tesla cars hogging stations

[@bobbybishop5662]

Poor baby .

[@ronaldgarrison8478]

We are not allowing in the hoi polloi, because it's bringing down the quality of our neighborhood. The way it's presented just has that vibe to it. As a business decision, it's understandable, but it just sounds wrong.

[@ouethojlkjn]

I grew up in Tottenham and it is the old story of chancers and freeloaders taking the p*ss until the pips squeak (or their blag is rumbled). I remember this young woman swinging into a petrol station near the A10 driving a huge black BMW X5 and chiselling 50p of petrol into it. Then trying to pay with a visa card - hoping the attendant would just let her off because it was more trouble than it was worth. You would not believe the kind of things freeloaders dream up - no shame at all. There is nothing wrong with keeping these kinds of "hoi polloi" as you put it, in line. Hence the minimum delivery signs in petrol stations these days.

[@ronaldgarrison8478]

@@ouethojlkjn If that's what you've observed, I guess you saw what you saw. But it certainly is depressing when you consider that, here, the "hoi polloi" are the owners of EV OTHER THAN Tesla.

[@ouethojlkjn]

@@ronaldgarrison8478 Well it seems to be what you consider. A non EV might be a Ninety Plus Grand Audi e-tron GT, hardly a fanfare for the common man. It may also be worth considering that these Tesla superchargers (hint is in the name) was set up for Tesla vehicles. And not Government funded in the UK by the way, in case you feel the common man is being put upon by the great and the good at taxpayer expense yet again. At the other end of the spectrum, a new Dacia Spring EV is less that fifteen grand on the road so EVs are hardly a transport for the elites, even Citizen Smith could power down Tooting Broadway in an EV if he wanted to.

[@roger_is_red]

Governments keep propping up their oil/car industries. It's like Monty Python's dead parrot skit. Jeannine

[@TeslaJigsaw]

😂

[@laflammr]

30% is not a lot

[@mdex1]

All cats are grey in the dark

[@TeslaJigsaw]

...interesting 🤔

[@stephenclay6852]

The agreement that Tesla signed up to when trying to acquire as many sites as possible in the uk was that they would open them up to none Tesla Ev’s. And in accordance with the new rulings all chargers that are open to all must have a contactless payment system. It’s alright Tesla shouting but I see many a Tesla on a none Tesla charger because there were no superchargers near by. Tesla drivers get the cost on there charger’s at a reduced rate unlike us. So what are they complaining about. Anyway it’s pointless me using one as my car can’t take the high speed charge because it has the 800 volt system being a Kia Ev6 the max it will give me is about 60 kw.

[@rogerstarkey5390]

Stop complaining and pay 80p on the other networks.....

[@External2737]

Was this an affected site? Or are only new sites impacted. A dozen charger site is tiny. One site, so negligible. Solution is just open many more sites for Tesla and others. As noted in the video, a one time outlier.

[@JohnSmith-ux3tt]

​@@External2737It might be a sign of things to come.

[@External2737]

@@JohnSmith-ux3tt I suspect wholesale locking out non Teslas violates the permit to acquire land and contracts with other auto makers. However, I agree this will be a trend. Just how much of a trend?

[@allelectric1330]

Believe my when i say, you dont want to be associated with anything Tesla, none !!

[@rogerstarkey5390]

What are your credentials, or is yours just confirmation biased opinion?

[@bobbybishop5662]

I agree with him , Tesla is a shady ran company .

[@MendicantBias1]

I love the tech nativism going on in the Tesla camp. 😂

[@rogerstarkey5390]

? STILL trying to pass the buck, blaming the company that kick-started it all? Sad

[@MendicantBias1]

@@rogerstarkey5390 I’m blaming the Tesla tech bros who are being carsists towards other EVs. Accelerating EV adoption means opening up the supercharger network for everyone. Benefits Tesla and all of us.

[@JohnSmith-ux3tt]

​@@MendicantBias1Well at this UK site, Tesla apparently don't agree it is in their best interest.

[@lashlarue59]

The only reason I bought that adapter from GM was just in case there was some sort of emergency and a Tesla Supercharger was the only thing available then I could use it. My goal is to NEVER use DC fast charging; it costs too damned much. The point of having an EV is the ability to charge at home for lower cost. When I charge at super off peak rates I'm paying about 4.5 cents a kwh verses 47 cents at the Supercharger; that is 10 times more! That is more than gasoline prices in some areas, if you're willing to pay that kind money why not just buy a cheaper gas car in the first place? No one likes hearing this but if you can't charge at home, then don't buy an EV; it's just not worth it.

[@MarkHewitt1978]

Notably in the UK connectors aren't an issue. Tesla uses the same as everyone else.

[@lashlarue59]

@@MarkHewitt1978 Are you saying that in the UK Tesla's does not use their NCS connector?

[@MarkHewitt1978]

@@lashlarue59 Correct, they use CCS2 just like all EVs, except Nissan Leaf for some reason.

[@lashlarue59]

@@MarkHewitt1978 Thanks for the info, I did not know that. I think the Leaf uses CHAdeMO for DC fast charging which is pretty much a dead standard in the US. But the Leaf is supposed to stop production in 2026 anyhow.

[@pollywollydo]

Second attempt😠😠😠 the private hire is the key- they will all be early Mod S with free supercharging and getting hammered by you know who 🤐 QED it’s treating the symptom not a cure, wonder if there’s anything in the ORIGINAL sale agreement re commercial use 🤔

[@ouethojlkjn]

While you may be right, I know for a fact anyone on L plates cannot use motorised vehicles for commercial purposes. Does not stop all the uber and deliveroo mopeds threading either side of my at the lights in London...with L plates everywhere.

[@pollywollydo]

@@ouethojlkjn zaccly 👍

[@SmartMart1658]

That What Car "efficiency Test" wasn't an efficiency test - it was a range test - it was a test to see how far all the vehicles would go on a single charge from 100% down to zero - and the Polestar 2 won achieving 333 miles.

[@mconnah1]

@@SmartMart1658 it was a strange test. If they had chosen the Tesla LR it would have won…

[@TeslaJigsaw]

The battery in the Polestar 2 was 82kWh. The battery in that base model 3 is 60kWh. Of course it (should) do more miles. If it was about max range, a Long Range Model 3 would've beaten them all (at least 350 mile real world range) but that wasn't necessarily the point of the test. I think?! Yes, discovering the real world range of each car matters, but it's efficiency that wins, not the most miles. It's the car that can do the most miles per kWh of battery use (a long range M3 would NOT have won that for example) the impressive winner here being the M3 that achieved 4.4 miles per kW, and that's with the upgraded less efficient wheels.

[@PJWey]

A bigger battery should obviously go further but costs more and uses more resources. Efficiency all day long.

[@TeslaJigsaw]

Yup, that’s evident from the lack of range from some giant batteries. Poor engineering and zero interest in weight saving or efficiency

[@rogerstarkey5390]

@SmartMart1658 There's a difference between "went further" and "won"

[@LysanderLH]

Teslas was brought into being in order to electrify cars. Is that no loger the case?

[@thomasjacques5286]

unfortunately, Bidenomics probably increased costs by 100% to build new sites. I have read the permitting process is a nightmare. You know the government RED TAPE. But I'm sure you knew that.

[@rogerstarkey5390]

"Tesla was created" to "accelerate the transition to sustainable energy" "Cars" were part of that. Why not suggest that if the TESLA site is busy, then OTHER companies should see the opportunity for profit and build in the area? . SURELY a better solution than expecting one company to DO IT ALL? I bet you would call that a Monopoly?

[@LysanderLH]

@@rogerstarkey5390 Tesla was created in 2003 by Eberhard and Tarpenning (Musk donated $6.5M) with the vision of producing EVs. Musk has repeatedly said that his goal with Tesla is “to push the entire automotive industry to shift *toward* EVs and by using clean energy”. *toward does not imply ‘entirely’. Opening the Superchargers to non Teslas would conform to that, disallowing non Teslas does not. So following your dogma, You must instantly stop doing everything you do and change to a different way, while achieving worse results.

[@pollywollydo]

@@LysanderLH over thinking this one 🥴. It’s ONE charger and I don’t think it’s happened anywhere else- Google?

[@LysanderLH]

@@pollywollydo Perhaps.

[@GahMehGrrrr]

Perhaps if they hadn't lied about the super charger roll out. Tesla and their constant lies.

[@pollywollydo]

@@GahMehGrrrr so tell us who is putting in more ? 🙄

[@TeslaJigsaw]

Now do other car Manufacturers who have managed zero superchargers

[@Lewis_Standing]

Shame they are closing a brand new V4 station that on the face of it, was specifically designed to be open to all from day 1. A closure of a v2/3 closure would feel more likely, but i guess they have a lot of demand for them with the lower prices.

[@jonfrench7133]

close them all to non tesla owners.

[@rogerstarkey5390]

Did you watch the video?

[@jonfrench7133]

@@rogerstarkey5390 oh dear, don’t apply your own standards

[@victaflyer]

I was hopeful that Tesla would open all Superchargers to the public, allowing me to sell my Tesla and consider purchasing a BMW or Audi. It would be quite a shocker - Tesla supporting their customer base, there has to be another reason.

[@rogerstarkey5390]

D.H (Work it out)

[@Alarix246]

Of course we're talking about 12 chargers at Tottenham. It makes sense but the title is clickbait.

[@TeslaJigsaw]

It's tough to get a title right without being slightly click baity (otherwise no-one would click it) In this case I think it's a pretty accurate title? Feel free to make a better suggestion? 🤷‍♂️

[@Alarix246]

@@TeslaJigsaw Some supercharger access denied? 🤭

[@terrymackenzie6784]

Tesla can do whatever they want now I've got a Tesla 😊. Interestingly the open to all in Haven't on the south coast was charging 90p per kWh non Tesla's so they are needing to put off some users.

[@TeslaJigsaw]

90p? Who and where was that?

[@tim66612343]

@@TeslaJigsawhe means Tesla Havant (Portsmouth ). It’s a v2 open to all and seems busy

[@donteldk]

It Will only bring more hate to Tesla...

[@rogerstarkey5390]

How about asking 2 questions 1) Which local company was "Hijacking" those chargers to charge their cars? 2) Why do other providers seize the opportunity to provide a service at a competitive price to take business from Tesla? .

[@JohnSmith-ux3tt]

Tell us more about this "hate for Tesla".

[@Tantaku]

this guy is a huge tesla shill

[@Tantaku]

tesla doesn't do anything that isn't for profit. this is profitable for them, or they wouldn't do it.

[@rogerstarkey5390]

@@Tantaku Tesla built the network because it was NECESSARY. IF THEY hadn't NOBODY else would.... because there was no money in it. . If Tesla are "doing it only for profit" how do you explain their prices which are routinely MUCH lower than other options? Surely a "Profit oriented" company would price their service at the same level as others? I mean, byy you metric, they are throwing away 40% "Profit"? . (You REALLY didn't think this through, did you?)

[@Tantaku]

@@rogerstarkey5390 first off, there prices are almost never lower than competitors, atleast around here. Second, you think low prices means less profit??? Low prices means more customers.