What Modifications Do We Do To PDP’s?!?!

Nick and Joel Park discuss the mods they do to their Walther PDP’s.
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[@DeletedUser12345]

A note on silicon carbiding the Walther SF grips... if you don't like how it feels, Walther DOES NOT sell replacement OEM grips. According to their CS, "it is not a replaceable part," so they won't sell you any spares and you have to pay more for Lok grips.

[@VariaVante]

“Mines are less gay” ***DEMONETIZED*** 😂😂😂😂😂

[@VeloxTrainingGroup]

@@VariaVante 😂😂

[@ElJefeDeMundo]

I Immediately thumbs up the vid 😂

[@steve4462]

“That one’s pretty precious.” Very subtle… 😂

[@h22mantis]

What mods would you recommend for the match poly? Thanks

[@jjacks8203]

Saw a ZRT video where I’m pretty sure they said the long stroke can use either a 14.6 (listed as 14 on website) or 16 pound spring.

[@justindeus3899]

I shot my buddy's polymer PDP with a 15lb spring and compared to the long stroke spring it was much better on the return. The long stroke rod/spring would dip and make follow ups lag a bit vs a normal length 15lb. And this was clearly noticeable after a few shots trying them back to back.

[@VeloxTrainingGroup]

@@justindeus3899 not sharp shooting you, but the spring isn’t what is making the gun dip.

[@VariaVante]

For what it’s worth: it seems like you’re overdriving the gun downward. They make a 16lb spring in the long stroke now because so many people have complained about the return being slow. This hasn’t been my experience but I plan on testing it and comparing notes.

[@Osprey1994]

Technique issue. If you feel fine without the long stroke, then stick with standard length.

[@coach-]

i enjoy the changes you make to Ben's glocks and was thinking of getting a pdp so i'll probably try some of these as well.

[@ameralbrgwazy4237]

Please, is your plastic spring broken and not strong? I bought walther pdp and there is no store in my country that sells an iron spring. I hope you can make sure it.

[@MrJose1225]

How often you clean your guns?

[@falconp226]

i tried the zr tactical springs gthe 15 and the 18lb ones neither one had the spring weight of the factory spring the issue i find is that if you load a full magazine then chamber a round leave the mag in the gun pull the gun out of battery and do a press check then slowly let it go forward none of the zr tactical springs would make the gun go into battery ,however the factory one does it every time no matter how slow you let itgo , i tried on the 4 inch poly and the fullsize steel frame , so for a more reliable gun stick with factory springs !! nice review though

[@boomee78]

You can get the same spring in a zr tactical guide rod

[@VeloxTrainingGroup]

@@falconp226 the slide slowly going into battery isn’t typically how a gun functions so I’m not sure I’d let that be the point of reason. But no worries, to each their own.

[@CitizenCarrier]

Can you shoot the occasional +p loads like your defense rounds like HST’s or Gold Dot’s with the ZR 15 lb spring without any malfunctions or excessive wear?

[@wongkeebs4327]

Occasional is fine. If you shoot only +p due to work, bump up to their 17lb

[@CitizenCarrier]

@ thanks! I mostly shoot just your basic Blazer Brass 115 or PMC 115 standard for classes and practice. I just like to shoot about 50 rounds of my 124+p every couple of months just to make sure it!s cycling and to check my optic zero with it. I may just go with the 17 lb to be safe. Not worried about softening the recoil because the perceived “snappiness” some talk about doesn’t bother me. I just want a steel guide rod for reliability and the little extra mass.

[@Assclapper69_]

I have at least 15k rounds though the steel frame with same 14 pound lock stroke recoil spring with 150pf ammo and its still fine

[@joelpark556]

I’ve shot a lot of Gold Dot through my main training Walthers in Polymer and Steel Frame and no issues that I can detect in either.

[@CitizenCarrier]

@ Thank you. I didn’t think it would be too much of an issue. I’ve just heard some people say shooting +p with the 15 pound spring would cause excessive wear. That didn’t sound quite right to me. Just like to check to make sure. Thanks again, Joel.

[@ElJefeDeMundo]

Which SF do you all prefer for competition/duty the 4, 4.5, or 5inch match? Thanks

[@TheMikeshannon]

Those are two very different things

[@ElJefeDeMundo]

Indeed

[@MAALLDAY_86]

Right around the 17k mark my SF match had to get sent back to walther for repair. Took the slide off the frame to give it a quick wipe down before the 2nd day of a Steve Anderson class and when I went to put it back together the slide would not go back on the frame. Later that night I was able to inspect it further and came to the conclusion that the barrel feed ramp was hitting into the locking block. I didn’t think to check the pin and now I wish I would have because I believe that was the catalyst to the problem. I’m betting that the pin was broke and in turn it damaged my locking block. It’s been sitting at walther waiting for them to get a locking block in so they can replace it and send it back to me. I sent it to them at the beginning of September. Since then I have seen this issue come up with a few others with higher round counts and all they had to do was replace the pin. Even though this is a bummer I fully agree that if you use your gear and run it hard eventually something will break. I have 2 other SF’s to hold me over in the mean time and I am sticking with the plate form.

[@TheMikeshannon]

Waiting on a new variant of the f series that's supposed to come out and then probably grabbing a 5" poly gun to try out the long stroke system. Currently have a compact 4" with the captured ZRTS rod and it definitely feels better than the stock one but haven't actually tried shooting them back to back to see how big the difference is

[@heelrod]

I thought the long stroke rods damaged the polymer frames?

[@roycekillz2404]

It depends on which polymer frame. I have one in two of my polymers and they work just fine.

[@A1life1]

I don’t think arise makes a 509T plate. What’s your preferred plate for the 509T?

[@ethanaldridge1639]

Joel said Walther plates are good to go. Have my 509t personally, still needs testing

[@24FanJG]

@A1life1 Calculated Kinetics is a really good option, I'd check them out.

[@falconp226]

no im not saying that is typical of a running pistol operation however it makes for a more reliable pistol for a longer period of time before it starts to fail to go into battery and need a new recoil spring sooner , the pdp has a stronger striker spring than (lets say a glock) so if you wanted to make more reliable you should lower the striker spring weight along with the recoil spring weight , i get it if its just a uspsa gun only for you but i put reliability first ,it sucks to loose time even in a match over a malfunction . good video though , i might have to try the grip texturing out on one of my pdps

[@VeloxTrainingGroup]

@@falconp226 I’ve found the exact opposite. Lowering the striker spring weight only caused malfunctions. The one sf in the video has near 70k on it without fail.

[@falconp226]

yeah i have 2 steel frame full size , the 4 inch poly with full size grip ,the 5 inch poly match i have not had any malfunctions with any i have 10 k through one steel frame the rest are just getting broken inn , i have not messed with the striker springs , how often do you change your recoil springs ? the pdps are my go to for uspsa and for carry gun , thanks for the advice !

[@VeloxTrainingGroup]

@@falconp226 the one sf I mentioned, I’ve never changed the springs. It’s had the long stroke in it from the beginning.

[@damonaniton]

I prefer flat triggers so I do that in almost all my Walthers. I think I have 1 that doesnt have 1 of the 3 flat triggers. I have been almost primarily a Walther shooter since the OG M1 PPQ. Since the release of the PDP and having taken multiple classes with Jedi I think I have a magwell on all but 1 gun now as well. Not for the speed of reloading but how it helps the pinky apply pressure and control recoil. I run a comp on half my guns only. Just so I have something I can shoot at matches that wont put me in open. I have not ported anything yet but that is on the to do list. I also finally started switching out the guide rods to the ZR stuff. Currently running 1 captured 15 and an ultra mass. I tried the 4.5 long stroke in my 4.5 but it actually exploded and came apart on me at the first range function test.

[@almostalphas]

That sounds like an installation issue for the whole thing to disassemble on you. Are you replacing the entire Walther trigger assembly, or just the shoe? I also prefer flat triggers, but don't want to replace what is otherwise a great stock trigger.

[@damonaniton]

@almostalphas it installs just like the regular once you remove the spacer

[@VariaVante]

Have you tried the 16lb spring in the long stroke? I’m about to test it in my steel frame and polymer 5”

[@jkamp]

Who do you recommend for holsters on the SF series? Options seem very limited. Gonna go with the usual T1C for IWB but what are you guys using owb for classes/matches?

[@VeloxTrainingGroup]

@@jkamp WERKZ or TXC

[@almostalphas]

Probably going to get a Big Dog Steel myself. GX Vice has a steel frame option, says 5" so I'm not sure if that will work with the 4.5" that I picked up.

[@sebastianborberg]

How do you get replacement parts for the steel frame? As far as I could tell a lot of the replacement parts on the steel frame aren't the same as the ones on the polymer PDP.

[@WillH-y3g]

Got a barrel question. I have around 30k rounds through my first PDP and the feed ramp is getting worn. I have never seen a 4.5 barrel available on Walthers website over the past 2 months. Do you know any aftermarket sources? Thanks

[@VeloxTrainingGroup]

@@WillH-y3g define worn. I’ve put over 100k on pistol barrels and have never seen feed ramps getting worn.

[@airmann4673]

Walther his a warranty, try that first

[@cyclopswasright7045]

What are your thoughts on comps?

[@BigDenergy165]

Do the henning baseplates work with the factory magwel on the steel frame?

[@TheGerritjh]

No, the Henning pads do not work with magwells.

[@falconp226]

what spring is the same as the factory from zr tactical ?

[@bobrockefeller1348]

Trigger upgrades/improvements?

[@roycekillz2404]

No need. The stock triggers are PREMIUM.

[@bobrockefeller1348]

@ Maybe, but the Apex triggers in my M&Ps are much better.

[@joelpark556]

Just factory dynamic performance triggers for both of us.

[@ericscott6427]

My Locking Block pin broke on the SF at 10k rounds .

[@darrylhart8152]

What’s the name of the place to get optic plates from?

[@steve4462]

Arise Manufacturing. They said C&H precision were the ones that had issues.

[@darrylhart8152]

@ ok thanks

[@joshgarner7921]

What holsters are you using?

[@joelpark556]

@@joshgarner7921 I use a GX Holsters Vice holster. We have a holster /belt rig video queued up.

[@oddsparrow8522]

Joel what holster and hanger are you using?. You are a leftie and so am I

[@joelpark556]

I'm using a GX Products Vice Holster and a Henning 1000 Hanger

[@oddsparrow8522]

@ thanks

[@VariaVante]

C&H catching well deserved strays 😂

[@Osprey1994]

Seems like they did well early on, but the boost on business hurt them. I have a 1.0 plate that's doing fine after about 1500rds. Of course if I decided to shoot the gun again, it might break, I don't know.

[@TheMikeshannon]

Thankfully we had 5 of their eps plates so I got to try all 5 and thankfully one of 5 didn't have a bunch of play like the other 4 did. They pretty much all had front to back and side to side play. The worst of which absolutely had daylight

[@almostalphas]

I'll never spend a dime at that awful company. I sent a Springfield Hellcat into them to get milled for a 507k and they broke the front sight. Instead of informing me and asking what I wanted to do, they installed a suppressor height front sight with a standard height rear sight. Never mentioned anything and sent the slide back to me. When I informed them of this, over multiple emails across several months, they refused to acknowledge their responsibility. I eventually ended up at a Jedi class, and told him of the problem I was having. He was able to reach out and nudge someone to get in touch with me. After which point the owner accused me of trolling/making a fuss about a non-issue that I had given them months to address. They finally gave me a $70 refund or something so I could get an appropriate height front sight. Not sure how they broke the front sight, but their lack of communication and then the way the owner accused me of being the problem turned me off from ever doing business with them again. Now they make cheap red dots....no thanks.

[@D70racing]

Thanks for this great video.

[@gspeed2145]

Do y’all edc the pdp or something else?

[@ColdWarVeteran-r2j]

I carry a PDP Pro X.

[@nielshunniche1]

Why the sunglasses 😂

[@VeloxTrainingGroup]

@@nielshunniche1 those typically get worn when shooting and/or bright outside 😂😂

[@nielshunniche1]

@ Merry Christmas

[@SmileyShoots]

It would be sweet to see this for an avid Glock shooter!

[@boomee78]

Um there out there for glock

[@SideOut4Life]

Joel has the weirdest build

[@brized]

That's what peak male performance looks like

[@derekhubbell6106]

Leave his dad bod out of this. Just enjoy the knowledge.

[@joelpark556]

@@SideOut4Life thanks for noticing! 🤗

[@michaelhoefler2852]

The long slide guide rod and its 15 lbs

[@brized]

The outro was way louder than everything else.

[@user-hm2yt2up7d]

What do you do to get them to extract reliably

[@damonaniton]

in over 100k or so rounds through a good 10 or 15 different Walthers all the way back to the PPQ M1 I have only run into extraction issues once. And that was due to improper resizing on my reloads.

[@boomee78]

They extract reliably out of the box?

[@damonaniton]

@@boomee78 i have never had any issue.

[@user-hm2yt2up7d]

@@damonaniton three guys near me are having issues they can't fix, one sent his gun back to walther, walther returned it and it still won't extract consistently. Two of the three guys are now off the gun because they can't find a solution even after replacing extractors and barrels

[@damonaniton]

@@user-hm2yt2up7d every company puts out a bad batch once in a while. that is maybe the only thing i can think of. the 1 and only time i ever had an issue was on my original M1 with stuck cases. and that was because of improperly sized reloads i was making. and that gun had over 30k through it with the original blue plastic guide rod that had a bend in it that looked like a limp dick. i know it sounds annoying for them but i would almost be curious to see if they have similar issues shooting the same gun with another barrel.

[@VariaVante]

I’d try the ultra brass if you go for the 15lb spring they don’t require a washer and they’re A LOT easier to install.

[@boomee78]

There are captive guiderod and springs that are just as easy

[@boomee78]

They have used them already they said in the video what they prefer

[@awokeone7997]

C&H really dropped the ball, they had everyone saying their name at first for all the right reason but maybe a yr ago they really shit the bed and they brought out red dots, image how those work, lol

[@russholcomb]

you guys have way to many feelings and your woosies

[@joshmajor8662]

I like how we can hear one guy but not the other Lol 😂 Walther is know for kinda screwing ya unfortunately, I like the PDP but having to buy extra plates and all the other nonsense is just not worth it to me 🤷‍♂️

[@mll7674]

Best upgrade is buy something else.

[@VeloxTrainingGroup]

@@mll7674 thanks for stopping by😂😂😂