I'm Conflicted About the Suikoden Remasters

[@SuperDerek]

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[@Zach-ri9gn]

I'm certain Konami is doing this to capitalise off the hype surrounding Eiyuden has been getting, but at the same time this could really help Eiyuden. Say the remasters come out before Eiyuden and people really enjoy the games they;d be more willing to give Eiyuden a chance.. Or if Konami really screw up the remasters, Eiyuden is there for people who were disappointed.

[@jameshitt3263]

Exactly. Eiyuden is fully funded already. Nothing Konami does can make them fail. If Konami wants to ride that wave, so what?

[@NYATLChris]

I bought Eiyuden due to it being like Suikoden.

[@Xuepreme69]

Yea i think konami is trying to spite eiyuden creator.

[@thehurricane6767]

Now I wonder if they'll have true rune lenses

[@MiamiSunrise]

Exactly how I see it too

[@ModelJames13]

First the TMNT Cowabunga Collection, and then the Suikoden Collection. It can only mean one thing. Konami is testing the waters to make a turn-based RPG in the style of Suikoden starring the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles.

[@SuperDerek]

If they do this I may just forgive them for that Kojima thing. xD

[@MichieHM]

The Kojima thing is more nuanced than it seems. Kojima went way over budget with MGSV. Almost no company would tolerate that.

[@ShadowWolfRising]

I mean you joke but..........I think that'd actually sell pretty well.

[@razielvaleth]

Lol!

[@funkymon1251]

Tmnt Rpg is all I ever wanted Casey and Splinter being temporary characters While April is like a medic who can give pizza or group healing ooze or something but she do decent damage. Oh Tmnt style in a Suikoden would be fantastic.

[@NYATLChris]

The remaster looks amazing. Let's just be thankful it's available on modern consoles and isn't going to cost hundreds to thousands to buy and play.

[@thehurricane6767]

And it doesn't look like a lazy remaster like chrono cross

[@hubertcumberdale2651]

@@thehurricane6767 the laziest remaster had to be FF8

[@calenthebard2051]

@@hubertcumberdale2651 FF9 was legit just the phone version right?

[@hubertcumberdale2651]

@@calenthebard2051 haha, no clue.

[@SoulInajar]

Stop being dramatic neither game cost thousands

[@10k-Noodles]

Maybe we can help Murayama become so successful that he can just buy the Suikoden ip from Konami if he wants and make an actual Suikoden VI, or pick up where he left off after 3. I'm still happy for the remasters. I do dislike those new menus with the tiny text. Looks like a cell phone Final Fantasy port.

[@SuperDerek]

This is my dream scenario

[@nworder4life]

I'm pretty sure Murayama told Kawano about the story settings and main plot points of suikoden 4 and 5. So I'm sure they would be considered canon.

[@RichRetr0]

Wasn't Junko Kawano hired to re-do the character artwork for the remakes? She doesn't seem conflicted about working with Konami and Rabbit and Bear Studios

[@NinjaxShadowXx]

I came back to this video after it was revealed today that Konami told investors that 2022 has been their worst year financially so far so yeah they definitely brought Suikoden back for some money

[@megamike15]

they are currently doing the same thing with metalgear.

[@TerraWare]

I think you obviously have some emotional attachments to this franchise and the games in particular so I can understand your stance towards Konami even though I don't particularly feel the same way about the situation. Their Castlevania remakes have been fantastic and if they bring the same level of quality I'll happily give them my money so I can play these games for the first time.

[@Walamonga1313]

@@destructodisk9074 if only Konami cared about Silent Hill

[@KingOfHart34]

To me, this isn't a bad thing. Sure, I think it's pretty undeniable that this is a response to Eiyuden's success, but that's just how things wrok. Businesses react, and honestly, I'm happy this happened. That just means more to enjoy. I never wanted Eiyuden to fill the hole of Suikoden, but become its own entity that reminds me of Suikoden, still hoping the series would return. I dunno, I just can't be upset this is happening. More of good things is never going to be a bad thing to me. Also, Konami has shown interest in Suikoden for years. Their 50th anniversary artwork, that one survey they did YEARS AGO asking fans what franchises fans are interested in, the Konami shop with Suikoden merch; this reveal was far, far from a surprise to me. To me, it's inevitable that things come back. Everything comes back. If Monster Ranchaer came back, I was pretty damn sure Suikoden would too. I would have been shocked of it didn't. Also, Junko Kawano came back. I just don't think it's as malicious as some make it seem. Competition will only further a medium as beloved as gaming. And I can't see this hurting either side at all. Eiyuden was already a success, and I'm sure it'll continue to be.

[@chriswhinery925]

I pretty much agree. Eiyuden looks incredible and I will absolutely play it but now I can get the first two Suikoden games on Steam and play them on my PC as well without having to deal with emulation. 3 great games I'll be able to play instead of 1 game, I'm not complaining.

[@Chelaxim]

I'm surprised that Konami is surprised that with the crowd sourced spiritual successors like Eiyuden Chronicles and Bloodstained is that's how they finally realize that there's a market for Suikoden and Castlevania. Like how out of touch are some of these publishers?

[@jmarx3943]

I'm excited to be able to play the suikoden games again, but if it came down to it and I had to spend my money on one or the other, I'm buying eiyuden every time. I'll follow the passion of the creators over their old creation. Eiyuden looks gorgeous so far.

[@OxysLokiMoros]

emulator,,,

[@MrDarksol]

Honestly this will be a great way for people who didn't get a chance to play the original games back when they 1st came out and doesn't want to shell that much money for a physical copy in this day and age. I'm only hoping that it'll be better than the last remaster of an old game that came out recently that I was pretty disappointed and so hopefully these 2 will be better than chrono cross's remaster was.

[@lonesquiff6551]

Hopefully it won't be as bad as their mishandling of the Silent Hill 2&3 remakes.

[@MrDarksol]

@@lonesquiff6551 They did a pretty good job with the castlevania GBA collection so there should be some level of hope.

[@lonesquiff6551]

@@MrDarksol Was that done in house? The main fiasco behind the Silent Hill remakes was that Konami no longer had the source code to the originals and then outsourced it to an inexperienced company

[@MrDarksol]

@@lonesquiff6551 I don't really know if it was in house or not.

[@MiamiSunrise]

I appreciate you spitballing some things on this subject because there is a lot to say about this remaster and Eiyuden's eventual release. I'm not a big fan of Konami anymore but they use to be absolutely amazing from a game creation standpoint. Suikoden is definitely being revived due to the AMAZING kickstarter for Eiyuden. Konami had to have looked at that and saw dollar signs in their eyes immediately. I do believe the Suikoden 1 and 2 remasters will be a staging ground for Konami as to what to do with the franchise. I'd bet they sell really well considering how beloved the games are (well, most of them anyway). If that in fact does happen, I'm hoping they consider a Suikoden 6, though they would have score a major coup by getting Muriyama and Kiwano back if they wanted to do it right. Eiyuden is gonna do great, it looks so fun and beautiful but I do wonder exactly when the Suikoden remaster drops. If its before Eiyuden that could actually help Eiyuden sell even more copies. Thanks again Derek 🙂

[@jamess.3013]

I agree. But either way I’m glad it’s happening. While it’s almost a sure thing that this collection would not be happening without the success of the Eyuden Chronicle campaign, it now opens the door for countless new people to discover suikoden. And whatever feeling the original creators have, I have to believe they recognize and are happy that their work has a new chance to touch people.

[@ericschauer5950]

Agreed

[@DK-BayBay]

I think Konami is trying to turn a new leaf while at the same time make money off old IP. I'm not even mad because these classics should be remade and experienced by a new generation while at the same time affordable for people that dont want to spend absurd money on a physical copy. I'm hopeful that with sales from this and TMNT will keep them on this path of remakes and remasters, as well as rebooting entire franchises. I'd love to play a new Silent Hill on the ps5.

[@MekelKasanova]

If people don’t have to pay over $300 for Suikoden 2 or over $100 for Suikoden 1 and this makes these classics widely available for generations of gamers then I don’t see the issue personally as it just means we get the classics and a new indie game by the original so that’s just more choice. Companies do this all the time so it’s not something I’m surprised by Konami doing this but at the same time Konami has BEEN rereleasing their bigger titles from Contra to Castlevania to even Silent Hill so it only made sense for them to rerelease Suikoden.

[@notyoursavior78]

I liked how Derek mentioned before the youtube boom. We may be similar ages but Suikoden 2 which I had was 150 dollars in 2002 money. I just threw it in a lot with a bunch of other rpgs because I dunno I wanted to make someone happy on eBay. I even threw in games like Chrono Trigger (with save data) but I kept Inindo (the Way of the Ninja). Threw Earthbound in there too (cart only).

[@xxxxkanexx5761]

You're probably spot on about Konami capitalizing on all the hype around the Euyuden Chronicles games... I haven't supported Konami since the last Metal Gear game and wasn't planning on buying anything else from them ever. However, I do not have the Suikoden games physically and probably never will because they are soo expensive.. I know I can get them digitally on old hardware but I'd love to have a physical copy of the Suikoden 1 and 2 on my Switch! I plan on buying the Chronicles games too because I've been looking forward to them forever now...

[@deadwafflez9685]

Konami is 100% being scummy here but I can't say no to Suikoden 1+2 bundled. They got me with the Castlevania collections as well. A Vandal Hearts collection with Azure Dreams included would be nice though.

[@zachtworld390]

I had the same thoughts about the timing of it. I fell in love with the Suikoden series and had been hoping that it will be revived and continued. I am glad, excited, and conflicted when I saw the remaster announcement in TGS. Konami could be testing the waters and see how the remastered version will be received. If it goes well financially, I can see them reviving the series. If it doesn't, they may abandon it again but I'm still happy that we're able to play the games on modern consoles.

[@reformed-kingace2412]

Looking forward towards the remasters been meaning to play these for a long time

[@Dusty_B]

Yup weird situation. I don't like Konami as a company either, and I love Suikoden. I don't really want to give them the benefit of the doubt, but maybe they are trying to improve. Even if money is the only factor in that, if things get better for everyone because of it, it's still a good thing. On the plus side maybe this will get more word of mouth out there about Eiyuden and help it become more successful. I'm gonna try to look on the bright side, because the world is already so dark as it is.

[@Walamonga1313]

I don't like Konami, never been interested in Suikoden but I love Silent Hill. I'm happy for the Suikoden fans tho, now if only the Silent Hill trilogy got rereleased

[@shiningwizard327]

When Shenmue 3 was announced, SEGA decided to bring us Shenmue 1 & 2 Remastered. As a fan of Shenmue, that's a good thing. Bringing Suikoden 1 & 2 remastered is a good thing. If you don't want to support Konami at all because of their past, then don't buy it. Simple

[@demetriuspowell29]

People like you are the reason gaming is going in the direction it is now

[@FlavorsomeMusic]

What I hear from a friend is that the dev team has been really passionate and hyped about these remasters, posting daily updates and showing their enthusiasm. What I think happened is that this particular dev team has been pitching this for a while and they saw an opportunity with the release of eiyuden. I agree with this opinion and I had the same reaction when I first heard of the remasters, yeah, Konami's reasons for accepting the pitch are absolutely dubious, but my friend convinced me this is absolutely worth a look still. I can dissociate the dev team from the money driven decision of the execs. Am a superfan of suikoden 2, it's my favorite jrpg of all time and probably my favorite game. Still more hyped for eiyuden tho. ;)

[@Lazersyrup]

Thank you for letting me know about this. I'm glad that the dev team behind this was so excited. It makes a game so much better whenever the people behind it love what they are doing.

[@DS4__]

Loved hearing your views on this, and I also enjoyed going over all your Suikoden reviews ^^ From the POV of someone who hadn't got into the series but had heard of it online over the years, and after seeing the remaster announcement has decided to play through the games, I'm actually very happy to see such a series maybe have a mini-revival! Even if it's just bringing all the Suikoden games (and maybe the PSP one translated!) to modern consoles and bringing in both old and new fans! The timing is definitely dodgy though and everyone is right to still side-eye Konami, though I suppose this is the perfect timing for them (but I hope everyone who plays Suikoden and loves it will also support Eiyuden Chronicle, I know I will) due to what you said about them using the kickstarter success as a way to have someone else gauge interest for them... but if the end result is fans getting Suikoden back and potentially bringing the series much more attention again/a brand new Suikoden if sales for the remasters go well (even if it doesn't hit the highs of the previous games as I've seen people concerned about, I'd rather an uncertain future than no games ever), it's the best result imo. Subbed!

[@QuwehShunMark]

Suikoden II has been in and out of my top three favorite games since I played it over 20 years ago. Eiyuden Chronicles rising has me hyped for the new release. I can understand why you'd be conflicted. My advice to anyone is play both, but if you can only pay for one make it Eiyuden. The remaster looks solid but with a shady rerelease after all the years they're just baiting pirates and they deserve whatever they get.

[@DeeDub02]

It's always between Ocarina of Time, Suikoden 2 and Final Fantasy 7 for the top 3 for me.

[@yakumorisuke9403]

Do just remember that it's incredibly difficult to quit a company job in Japan. All major companies (and most of the smaller ones) only ever hire fresh graduates - quitting means risking literally never ever getting another job. So it's possible not all the workers are on board. It's actually how places like Konami get away with their behaviour: unless you're a big name, you're just...stuck. No way out.

[@SuperDerek]

Japan's work culture is absolutely horrifying the more I learn about it

[@yakumorisuke9403]

@@SuperDerek Yeah - there's a lot to complain about in the Western working world, but at least you always have the option to walk away (unless you're in the US and medical care is an issue, but that's a whole separate thing).

[@angrybatvoice]

I felt the same way with The Cowabunga Collection. On one hand I was excited because these are games from my childhood and it really looked like they were treating the games respectfully. But at the same time, we had Shredders Revenge, rather than a remaster, more of a love letter to those games, and I had to think, okay is this just a great year for the Turtles? Or is the CC cashing in on the love and effort of the SR team? Ultimately, for Suikoden, I hope this is Konami seeing the interest that Eiyuden has drummed up for that style of game and using the 1+2 Remaster as a test to see if there truly is a market for it. I’m sure both will succeed, and hopefully this leads to remasters of the other games, or perhaps a new entry in the series.

[@megamike15]

so we are halfway through 2023 and this still isnt out yet.

[@TheInternetIsDeadToMe]

I used to love Konami. Their games were some of the most creative and vibrant of my childhood. I would love them to get back to past glories, but what Ive learned over the years is that a company is not your friend. It might seem like that sometimes, but that’s just marketing. I’m a lot less attached to products in general now and try to be conscious of who it is putting in the effort to make these games, as well as trying my best to see that it’s them that get my money.

[@MontellTheBoy]

They did the same thing with the castlevania collections after the original creator made bloodstained with his own kickstarted project. They've been doing this for years. fortunately so far it hasn't harmed the indie dev as far as I can tell, but it's still something worth thinking and worrying about.

[@miorionomichi]

They are capitalizing the hype and we fans are winning even if Konami just want the Money. If we support both Eiyuden and Suikoden then we are getting the best of both worlds

[@Agostoic]

Pretty much, it's a win win situation regardless of Konami.

[@miorionomichi]

@@Agostoic yes

[@TheMan-je5xq]

I couldn’t care less whether I like Konami or not, all I know is I’ll be able to play some of my beloved games I played as teenager with remastered graphics and on full screen. Konami is just a tool to do it

[@AvalancheReviews]

I was at TGS and their booth there was bigger than the last time I went. Seems like they might be pushing towards games again??

[@SuperDerek]

I hope you're right dude. Also, I'm incredibly jealous! :D

[@AvalancheReviews]

@@SuperDerek Man, it was so cool! Got to play the new Valkyrie Profile and a bunch of other shit. There were a lot of RPGs there, compared to the last one I went to. Good sign.

[@ctrlaltdelete2979]

Sure, Konami is garbage now but whether we like it or not; they still own the IP to the games people fell in love with. Acting like that crazy ex who goes digging around social media for info about you then showing up to a restaurant or something, minutes after you posted some pics of your food. But as a fan of THE games and stories, this exposure amazing. New fans = new friends. Seriously tho, Suikoden got that LoTR feels. Hearing the intro makes me wanna boot up the ol' ps1.

[@HornPlayer02]

I 100% agree @superderek. I feel like a lot of developers are out of touch. It feels like Konami didn't even know the popularity of their own franchise. Once Eyiden did everything to garner the fan base and excitement they realized they could make money and now they're moving in.

[@Bfr3shBrian]

Junko Kawano is working on the remakes. I definitely plan on playing the remakes since I've been asking for them for years now. Konami has even said if the remakes do well there's a good chance we'll see more Suikoden games in the future.

[@rubenthehuman]

Konami did the same with the TMNT collection, released just a month after Shredder's Revenge. They are basically taking advantage of the hype and work of other creators.

[@LilT2o00]

Yup; I got shredder's revenge but not the collection

[@tommo21tm]

I think most of the Suikoden fans are conflicted on this. Yeah we all know this is clearly in response to Eiyuden Chronicles but honestly, nothing can stop the Eiyuden train now. Yes I'll be picking up the Suikoden Remasters to play some of my favourite JRPG's again but not to support Konami, but to support the original creators of the game. And when Eiyuden Chronicles come out, I'll be giving that my full support even more as I'm sure most others will.

[@ChicCanyon]

I cant imagine a scenario where the creators of the originals IP successor project is negatively impacted by the original IP. 99% of all sales of Eiyuden will be from Suikoden fans. More Suikoden fans can only mean more Eiyuden sales.

[@nevilsizer53]

As someone who used to play YuGiOh competitively with my son we used to refer to them as Komoney because that is what they are out for. We quit playing about four years ago and I couldn’t have been happier. With that being said in regards to the games I absolutely adored these games whenever I played them when they first came out. So I agree with your opinion on not liking Konami however I have an extreme soft spot for these games so pretty much anything that they ask us to pay I will probably pay it to get these games.

[@Mageman17]

For some reason, I am willing to give them a shot and support this as much as I can. A lot of people have dismissed Konami a long time ago, but by supporting projects and releases like this, they may reconsider and rebuild their dev studios. It reminds me of when they allowed the export of the newer white Dance Dance Revolution Ace machines from Japan and even licensed western music to sweeten their worldwide release. If this continues, Konami will soon be in the same position as Square Enix (releasing underrated remasters but also has a CEO that’s all in on NFTs, plus the Balan Wonderworld kerfuffle). And hopefully move past them, but that’s a pipe dream.

[@vitormelo22]

Illustrator Junko Kawano was at TGS and she participated in the reamaster, a lot of new illustrations. I think maybe this remaster is being developed even before Eiyuden. Perhaps it is even the opposite. The Eiyuden devs themselves perhaps had the idea of taking the game off the ground precisely because they knew the reamaster was being made. I honestly don't know about the time order of the games. But as a fan I was very happy to hear that the Remaster was done, mainly because I no longer had any hope that Konami would do anything. I would like Eiyuden to be released after the Remaster.

[@sharuko24]

I'm excited for new comers to get a chance to try this amazing series. I stand by you on the much warranted hate against just how egregious of a company Konami is. Eiyuden got all my support every step of the way on this matter and hopefully this remaster will give Eiyuden some more recognition.

[@kradaronradar]

I CANNOT WAIT! I really was hoping it will happen, and a month later the news arrive! Going to think about EVA GREEN now, hopefully, I meet her... on a bus...

[@crispy_asch7110]

Never trust Konami is a generally good life rule. Also nice wavebird lol

[@raykishin3906]

The first time Eiyuden was announced, I already told myself that Konami was going to capitalize it one way or another. I was kinda prepared if they somehow releases Suikoden mobile gacha but it's still too early to tell.

[@lonesquiff6551]

My first thought was "Yay Suikoden on Xbox with achievements!" Immediately followed by "Wait the timing on this is sus." I completely agree with your thoughts Derek. It reminded me of Mighty Number 9 building up Mega Man hype and Capcom then deciding to release a game in that series as a result.

[@RezTheHero]

^This is definitely my thoughts too

[@Jerrel28]

I agree but just not with the Mighty Number 9 example due to the game having a terrible reception when it released. However I do believe that to be the case with Bloodstained Ritual of the Night. Fans asked Konami for years to release Castlevania but it took Bloodstained's success before they decided to create those remasters.

[@lonesquiff6551]

@@Jerrel28 I'd forgotten about Bloodstained, that is another good example.

[@SeventhheavenDK]

And I don't see the problem with that, it is a company, and that's a strategy business. As a company you must make use of the better strategy to earn profit, a company that generates jobs, and people work...precisely for a payment, and that strategy at least tries to ensure the possibility of success of their product, in this case, Suikoden Remasters. I don't see Konami using the "hype" of Eiyuden any different than Eiyuden riding on the Suikoden nostalgia and name to sell, otherwise they wouldn't be reminding you in every trailer and corner that the game is made by the Suikoden team, or that it is a Suikoden Spiritual Successor. The remasters possibly wouldn't have happened without Eiyuden (possibly), but neither Eiyuden would have happened without Suikoden in the first place.

[@evil_yellow_ranger8346]

You're totally right, I'll never watch a 4 hour video. I wish you'd make more normal videos like this, and less extremely lengthy streams. And I totally agree with you on Konami simply trying to capitalize on Eiyuden. I felt the same way about EA suddenly announcing a Dead Space remake after the original members of Visceral announced Calisto Protocol.

[@SuperDerek]

I plan to. Never meant to slow down on producing these videos, but when life gets complicated stuff happens. Hope to be more active with produced content instead of just the podcast. :)

[@EdreesesPieces]

I'm getting all of it. Suikoden remasters and Eiyuden. Best of all worlds :D I don't think anyone's not gonna get Eiyuden just because they got Suikoden remaster. Intact these remasters actually have effort in them unlike, say, Squares remasters. Square is WAY more scummy making half ass pixel remasters and people buying them anyway. If people support squares shotty remasters, this should be a no Brainer because they actually put effort into them.

[@megamike15]

i'm mixed on the new backgrounds. it sort of my issue with how they did the same thing with ff 6 in the pixel remaster. they don't look right epically as the sprites are still the same so now they clash.

[@nanoglitch6693]

I've never played Suikoden but if a company decided to finally remaster one of my old favorites that I had been waiting ages for...I wouldn't consider it the ideal time to punish them for their past sins. Unless perhaps the og creator came out and said that he didn't like it or that they were bastardizing his work or something. Or maybe they'd be happy that a whole new generation gets to play them. Dunno but I can see why you'd feel conflicted about it.

[@RickKoeppen]

Junko Kawano was brought back to work on the remasters, it doesn't sound like there are any hard feelings there.

[@Gluurak]

In Interviews the devs said they want to do more after the Remasters but first the Remasters need to be Sucessfull. So possible are more remasters of 3 4 and 5 maybe even tactics and even a complete new 6

[@arruhunahya7593]

New character portrait was drawn by Junko Kawano, and we know Junko Kawano and Yoshitaka Murayama work together to make EC, i also heard that people who used to work with Suikoden I and Suikoden II (Most of them are from Rabbit & Bear) are helping with this project, seeing this it's hard to think that there's a bad blood between them.

[@Septer_Sever]

I agree with Game Dave's take.

[@servinbase3487]

#iagreewithgamedave

[@jreschke5]

I’m conflicted but ultimately agree

[@GameDave]

@@jreschke5 Same.

[@peterr765]

Thanks you this video Derek. I was stoked but now there’s no way I can support suikoden one or two. However I will be getting E Chronicles. Might even buy two copies to show my support.

[@densha63]

Hello there! In my own humble opinion, I like the Suikoden series but not Konami, I mean not anymore after letting us hang for more than a decade or two. Is this their redemption arc from them? Maybe, but I will not bank on them until I see a solid performance. Are they capitalizing on the success of Eiyuden Chronicle's kickstarter...80-90% probably yes! I will be getting the Suikoden HD remaster just because I just love this series. As to whether I will support Konami in the future after the release of Suikoden remaster remains to be seen. Also, one of the interviews during TGS, they mentioned that they are interested in doing another Suikoden in the future...I am a skeptical as to this will be the case because the "support" they mention is banking on the success of this remaster...so that's a big question mark for me. But on a positive note, I'm not quite sure if I heard or read it right somewhere but the one in-charge for this remaster was the one in-charge for Suikoden 5(?). If that is the case, I think the remaster will be in good hands...well maybe ^__^;; As for Eiyuden Chronicles, I backed this game last 2020 and the recent trailer has hyped me for next year's release! Will totally support Rabbit and Bear for Eiyuden!

[@theseeker7711]

I still have both.The ones I bought from the start.Did t sale and buy again and the strategy guides to both somewhere

[@naheemquattlebaum2267]

I feel how you feel, but I'm just happy that we'll have the first Suikoden games on updated platforms with the most important being PC. I felt the same way about Saga Frontier.

[@GrinninPig]

Oh wow, had no idea about any of this. I had completely given up on the future of the series.

[@spectralfox]

I don't think it's fair to judge the employees who have stayed with Konami through years. In Japan it isn't as easy for people to switch employers as in the US, it's generally looked down upon and seen as a reflection of your work ethics and commitment when you do so other companies aren't inclined to just hire you. Unless you have the resources to go solo it's usually career suicide. Also Konami is definitely not strapped for cash but they're absolutely riding the Eyuden Chronicles wave. With that said, I think these remakes look amazing and meticulously well made, they didn't take the HD2D gimmicky route but instead fully reworked the backgrounds to match the Suikoden style so the sprites fit in perfectly.

[@ShadowArtist]

I am a little perplexed as to why Konami is labeling the games as "remasters" when one looks at comparison videos, it shows clearly that 99% of the games graphics are completely re-rendered and re-drawn, thus this seems to me more of *REMAKE* of Genso Suikoden I & II; a "remaster" tends to be just a upscale with minor graphical clean-up, maybe a few Quality of Life features added... Like SquareEnix's Legend of Mana recent re-release is an *HD Remaster* but it's environs haven't been re-rendered, and Chrono Cross was a HD remaster, and only the polygonal characters were re-rendered, but like 98% of the game is the same as the original... yes Konami is bringing back Suikoden for profit, that much is obvious....

[@Vidarr36]

My thoughts exactly! At first glance it feels like a mere cashgrab from Konami, realizing the huge success Eiyuden had as a kickstarter campaign. On the other hand I hold a tiny hope, that both the remaster of Suikoden 1+2 AND Eiyuden can be successful which MIGHT lead to Konami hiring Rabbit&Bear Studios to do the next Suikoden Series entry.. slim hope but MAN I would be amazed!

[@LakrimaProject]

Look at this also this way. Thanks to SI&II remasters you made this video. And now I know about Eiyuden.

[@CyberOrganic]

Who cares. We getting the game. I am excited to play it again and with upgraded graphics. The Game looks amazing. From a marketing point of view it help the indie title that is coming in 2023. People can then go play suidoken or Vice versa

[@roninronreacts1870]

I can't wait for both. I backed Eiyuden on Kickstarter and Suikoden is my favorite series ever. The original Suikoden was THE reason I bought a PS1 back when I was in high school. I still own all of my physical copies of the Suikoden games. I am so excited for next year, it will be amazing for Suikoden fans. I have no doubt that people who would buy Eiyuden would simply buy the remasters along with it, I don't think it would still a single actual purchase from Eiyuden. It will probably be the opposite, new people will try Suikoden and fall in love, and then find out about Eiyuden.

[@t.j.8388]

You summed up my feelings about the situation perfectly.

[@hubertcumberdale2651]

Its like marriage.... you know its bad and heard all the horror stories, but you'll still put a ring around some chick eventually anyway.

[@DragonHeart613]

Cash grab or not, Suikoden is a beloved cult classic JRPG series that has been missed by fans for so long and deserves to be experienced all over again. If there's one thing that F@$knami has been doing right lately, it's remastering old games. Castlevania Anniversary Collection, Castlevania Requiem, Contra Anniversary Collection & most recently Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: The Cowabunga Collection have all been amazing fun quality compilations and hopefully Suikoden 1 & 2 will be no different. Fans who love Suikoden will still check out Eiyuden Chronicles and also fans who play & enjoy Eiyuden will in turn be curious to check out the original that inspired it Suikoden. Hopefully everybody wins.

[@ericschauer5950]

I agree I just hope they release a physical edition plus I wouldn't mind a new Azure dreams game

[@DragonHeart613]

@@ericschauer5950 I too want a Physical copy of Suikoden 1&2 Remaster, if not directly from F@$knami than hopefully from Limited Run Games who did the physical releases for other game compilations like Castlevania Anniversary Collection, Castlevania: Requiem & Contra Anniversary Collection. Azure Dreams is awesome.

[@Mercerdaniels]

I've also felt a little off about this. I agree with everything you theorized, and I'll add: this remaster seems a bit mid (IMO). The visual upgrade is very pretty, and I hardly need a reason to replay Suikoden 2, but...did they even fix the old bugs & glitches? Did they make ANY basic quality of life improvements? I know one thing; I'm getting Eiyuden Chronicle: Hundred Heroes before I even think about getting the remasters.

[@makefoxhoundgreatagain842]

Other way around for me - the remasters are priority. Hundred heroes I'm just hoping it's better than the first eiyuden.

[@SeventhheavenDK]

@@makefoxhoundgreatagain842 . Same here, this is Suikoden after all, the other game is not. My priority will always be Suikoden.

[@greatrulo]

There's an interview with Koji Igarashi(creator of Castlevanias after SOTN) where he states that he became known as the guy who "Creates games with very little money" within Konami, he also said that symphony of the night was created at the best of times with a team of 19 people at most. There's a lot of evidence of crunch with the silent hill franchise, as well as with Metal Gear Solid, so yeah I totally agree that Konami have mostly been a piece of shit to their artists. Its a pretty tough spot as a consumer because I truly am excited for this remaster, but to a point it's almost like supporting Blizzard after all the shit they've gone through with bad stuff from the higher ups, my good side says don't support them, fuck em and pirate the game, but my bad side says "bUy teH c0llectoRz EditioNnnnn 0n pr3order!". It's hard to make a right choice.

[@DracoOoOoOo]

You pretty much said everything I felt and more... Had the timing been different like it came out this year or the year after eiyuden does I would be far more excited and accepting of it. But as it stands it just feels dirty like they are trying to use it like a weapon.

[@kerijizo]

I see this as win-win situation, we got suikoden and eiyuden next year. I don't understand with people saying"konami don't make games anymore just pachinko machine" the thing is they just don't make new game for westren market in mind anymore. In japan the momotaro densetsu(the monopoly train-like game) is the fastest selling game in japan 2020(if im not mistaken) and in par with animal crossing and they still making sports game like jikyoo powerfull baseball every year,yugi oh game is still alive etc2. They still crap as company but Im just glad they bring back a lot of classic in collection, is better than nothing i guess..

[@ShadowWolfRising]

I mean they weren't, then The Big Sick tanked the Pachinko market.

[@pauldavis7318]

I really like the warm lighting of your setup

[@TheFenrir666]

I'm kinda the same. I'm wondering if this will (now that Konami is doing the remasters) spark Sony to make remasters for Wild Arms and Shadow Hearts, after doing exactly the same to Wild Bunch Studios and Yukikaze. The trend of telling developers no, they go to make their own thing, make remasters to capitalise on their success without them being a part of it. I really hope that won't be the case.

[@benbehzadpour1177]

I hear you Derek. I started playing Konami games on the NES and during the 80's, I counted Konami among the greatest video game developers on the planet right next to Nintendo, RARE and Capcom. But after the last decade... yeah I wouldn't touch their stuff with a 10-foot pole... I'm taking the wait and see approach with the Suikoden remasters. They have to earn my money now... And I will not be an easy customer.

[@ailtonbueno4333]

If they rerelease the game, they are wrong... anf if they dont release the game, they are wrong....... Right.

[@AngryCosmonaut]

Konami's re-releases have been pretty solid lately, unlike square. As far as the Kojima-Konami feud goes, its all dickish-developer vs. asinine-publisher and I couldn't have cared less about the blood feud those two had. If I had worked with Hideo Kojima's ego for decades there would come a time in which I would be done with his bullshit too. This video is way to "Won't someone think of the indie devs?!" They're going to be okay, they have Microsoft money and they own the IP they're making, not a publisher. I get it, its fun to trash Konami because some things that their CEO said that damaged their brand considerably, we all do it. However, there is nothing wrong with them having their eyes opened by the Market. They saw Castlevania was popular on Netflix... BAM! Castlevania games get re-released. Contra's having an anniversary coming up? Re-release Contra. Eiyuden Chronicles becomes the 3rd highest kickstarted videogame of all time? We should remaster our Suikoden games while the hype is there, they might even sell better as re-releases than they did as new releases! Kojima said he hates re-releases and remasters? Fuck that asshole, remake or remaster all his games and take his name off the covers just to trigger that egomaniac!

[@ahhcmon9604]

hopefully if this remaster is successful we get a remaster of suikoden 3. I love the 1st two the best but I haven't played any of the others in years

[@Reginmund]

If you have a strong emotional attachment to a game it can be hard to see it treated as a commodity by cynical finance and marketing people who're only seeing bottom lines. I think it's true though that whenever something becomes successful and starts generating enough money, it inevitably ends up "corrupted" in the sense that there's suddenly so much money involved you can't really afford to consider any other aspect. In other words they would never remaster a game simply because it would be the right thing to do out of respect for the fans or the ip. Releasing this in the wake of the Eiyuden hype is just a smarter move than trying to get people hyped for a Suikoden remaster on its own. Perhaps these releases can feed off each other, meaning more people will play the Suikoden remasters because of Eiyuden and vice versa. One thing I'm wondering about though is how many will be newcomers and how many will be old fans. As an old Suikoden fan who started out with Suikoden 1 back in 1997, it's easy to get the impression that no one cares about Suikoden except fans who have followed the franchise since the beginning.

[@Mintcar923]

I think it’s a win win for both.. People interested in Suikoden will be interested in Eiyuden and vice versa.. Again I’m just hoping for a physical cart being I’m a huge fan and only have the first four games digitally..

[@paultatum2114]

I wish they had done a complete collection of all 5 games with the save transfers intact. Wishful thinking I guess.

[@jorelcastillo7372]

I just hope this sparks suikoden continuation and Konami asks the original creators for assistance. Seeing how Junko Kawano assisted with the new artwork

[@Rhetzelle]

regardless of what their intentions are .. I'm just happy we are getting remasters for suikoden 1 and 2 .. hopefully they remaster 3, 4 & 5 in the future

[@malonshammer]

Do you shop at any major retailer, physical or otherwise? You support companies as bad or worse than Konami. Do you buy any video games made by major game devs/publishers? You support companies as bad or worse than Konami. I agree with your points, but thanks to capitalism all of these companies are tearing there way through artistic projects to turn a profit all while underpaying, overworking and in some cases literally abusing their workers. It's a feature of the economic system we're all trapped in.

[@wanghu5075]

I'm conflicted too. The timing and everything is very weird. After all the Years the never touched the Suikoden Franchise.. Let's have a look and support Eiyuden and Murayama.

[@Taikaru]

Yeah, I agree. The remasters look great so far, and the Suikoden Revival Movement worked so hard for this moment.... but Konami ignored us until Murayama, Kawano et al did the heavy lifting to restart our dreams. Was on a gaming site the other day that had the Suikoden and Eiyuden news side by side, and was shocked to see more comments on the Suikoden article. Maybe just a reflection of their readers, or the unexpected nature of the announcement evoked more comments. But it made me a little sad. Konami did hire Kawano to do the art, and have her appear on their panel, so maybe they anticipated sentiment like yours and are trying to head it off. But for that matter, I'm not Suikoden's story could be properly continued (no more prequels and side stories please!) without the original creators - and even if they parted amicably, would they even want to be under Konami again after the last several decades? I dunno...

[@SeventhheavenDK]

Well, talking about the article you mentioned, personally, I am not interested in Eiyuden, and 100% interested in the Suikoden Remasters. I fell in love with Suikoden, it's characters and it's world, I am not interested in a Suikoden Wannabe or want to buy a game because it tries to fill a place Suikoden abandoned, Eiyuden it's NOT Suikoden.

[@FreshMetal80]

Dude, you summed up the way I feel about this remaster. Suikoden is my favorite franchise ever and I've been dreaming of a remake or remaster for years. I can't wait to get my hands on this game. But I despise Konami. They are clearly riding the wave of hype that Eiyuden has generated.

[@Aeonova]

8:13 Good to know Viktor shaves his pits.

[@GamingTranceSeer]

Anyone know if they'll add the option to keep the original game art and avoid remastered version. I think chrono cross one did this

[@trailersfromhell2539]

They haven't touched the original Suikoden canon since V was released. Regardless of the reasons underpinning this, one have to get behind it. Even if the end product ends up less than one hopes for. This is for regenerating interest. That being said, i have read that they might retranslate the game given the increased size in dialogue boxes. That is very exiting.

[@richardkeenan3079]

Should we grab the Suikoden 1&2 remaster for switch if we have never played those?

[@AZLionheart312]

I agree with your thoughts on Konami as a company. However, I will still pick this up as it will be the only way I get a physical copy of Suikoden II at a reasonable price.

[@Al-cy9qn]

I'm just happy to play these on modern hardware. They've been locked away for too long. I'm excited for people to get a chance to experience them again

[@StriderPhoenix1980]

I am totally agree with your point of view concerning Konami history and policies. They clearly try to surf on the nostalgic vibe created by Eiyuden Chronicles. They know that every old players love Suikoden 1 & 2, so this is not so strange that they choose this moment to remaster these 2 epic games even tough they almost quit videogames.

[@Racer-X-090]

I don't think the first 2 needed remasters. 3-5 do. I doubt if Konami will re-release those though.

[@gzsprout]

I feel dead on with you SuperD. I think they are taking advantage of the indie hype around E.C., but I also want to reward good actions. I backed E.C. and can't wait to play it, but I look forward to the S1+S2 remakes also; hopefully Konami sees benefit in delivering what people want.

[@rod9527]

Look man i get it, i don't like cheap remasters when i already have the games, ibdont double dip, and yes they're cash grabs, but ive never had a ps1 back then, by the time ibgot a ps1 and some games, the prices for suikoden went crazy, and i'm getting these, they look fine to me, and they also have the option to play the original graphics and such, i don't care about konami , these remasters look better than other cash grabs like chrono Cross or Symphonia.

[@SuperDerek]

Yep, they do _look_ quality so far. Which is what makes me so conflicted about it. I'm torn between my love of the games, my excitement for the remasters, and my principles toward anti-consumer and anti-worker companies.

[@franciscolira2686]

Should I play Suikoden then? Do you think it's worth it, Derek? Like, should I wait for the spiritual sucessor or play the classic?

[@hubertcumberdale2651]

I just feel like there hasn't been some grand "must play" exploration / adventure RPG with a strong cast of characters since Dragon Quest XI. That's five years ago now ...... we are craving an epic RPG even if it's a gloss-over of a classic. But I'll take Eiyuden Chronicle over this any day!

[@josephpiedmonte]

Have never played them so I'm excited, only worry is I won't have time to get to them.