I've expanded the SuperDisk photo gallery with a buncha pics taken at Retro World Expo '24! imgur.com/a/panasonic-superdisk-palmcam-sd4090-gallery-lgr-WJw3hOD
@ganiman3 ай бұрын
Nice meeting you at Retro World Expo and was fun taking a pic with you on the same camera featured in this video :D
@djangosoftwaredeveloper3 ай бұрын
NYC is timeless with that camera. Amazing photos. Really enjoyed this video. I bought a camera for my Palm pilot last year, lots of fun.
@antayat1233 ай бұрын
I remember doing some research on the super disk vs the zip drive. You see, I was adding one of them. That weekend I was going to a computer fair, so ubiquitous in the 90s, to purchase one. Yeah, I chose the zip drive.
@spartanwarrior97554 күн бұрын
I don't know if Clint will see this but there is a Panasonic PV-SD5000 for sale with it's original box and manuals on ebay right now it's untested but maybe he could take a risk on it.
@sesboks3 ай бұрын
90s quality pictures of NYC just feel right IMO
@virtualinsanity77913 ай бұрын
It feels like coming from my childhood movies and magazine.
@DriveCancelDC3 ай бұрын
The CCD look is definitely something
@abcpea3 ай бұрын
There's just one thing missing. Well, two things.
@948320z3 ай бұрын
@@abcpea Now I'm sad :(
@mrnemo2043 ай бұрын
Without the twin towers....
@MikeChimeri3 ай бұрын
Thanks for including our selfie, Clint. It was great to meet you at LI Retro.
@GooieGreen3 ай бұрын
I’m guessing he wasn’t there on Sunday, since I looked all over and only saw My Life In Gaming 😖
@DougByrne3 ай бұрын
I also appreciated the in-person sneak peak of this video.
@MrRom92DAW3 ай бұрын
Aw now I’m just finding out LGR was at LI retro and regretting I didn’t go
@ThommyofThenn3 ай бұрын
You're a legend
@therealrockstargamer3 ай бұрын
I hope you like that stuff I gave you it was an honor meeting you and I was that generous viewer 😅 and I was on that camera thank you very much You made my Day at Long Island retro a day I would remember
@knuckles92503 ай бұрын
90s and early 2000s digital cameras were always interesting
@hugothepinkcat3 ай бұрын
It's the quirkiness of them. Now everything is so standardized that there aren't really any devices that stick out anymore.
@3rdPersonProductions3 ай бұрын
@@hugothepinkcatit must be smaller… and FASTER!! 😅
@rastas_42213 ай бұрын
@@hugothepinkcat Is that really a bad thing? I dont mind ever seeing a Memory Stick Duo ever again. (Sony flavored SD water)
@hugothepinkcat3 ай бұрын
@@rastas_4221 From a daily use point of view, no. From the point of view of someone who likes quirky electronics, it's a bit sad.
@tomyyoung26243 ай бұрын
find new but yep! They aren’t quite the same form factor and don’t fit, so whatever,
@palody_en-ja2 ай бұрын
My dad was a realtor and he loved this camera! It was going out of style after a few years, but he bought another one to replace it since he loved it so much. He had the internal SuperDisk drive on his work computer too. He appreciated the convenience factor versus using SLRs, but did later regret selling all the glass, because little did he know that DSLRs and lens adaptors were on the way. Thanks for the nostalgia as always.
@CWINDOWSsystem32Ай бұрын
Oh man, I can just picture all the real estate photos of late 20th century houses he must have taken, orange wood varnish, off-white carpets, and brass-rimmed mirrors galore.
@flyingstaplers3 ай бұрын
13:12 Was listening to this video while handling some day job work on my other monitor, and lemme tell you this line made me whip my head back so fast I nearly gave myself whiplash
@nulltrope3 ай бұрын
literally same, was in the other room and was like WHAT
@FormulaGuppy3 ай бұрын
I feel baited
@ScriptCatz3 ай бұрын
Real
@LotoTheHero3 ай бұрын
@@FormulaGuppy I'll bet you do. 😏
@KyleRuggles3 ай бұрын
LOL!
@AzumiLP3 ай бұрын
"Not with the 4090, it's a thick chonkin handful of a device" The more things change, the more things stay the same.
@DoomGuy9001-MK43 ай бұрын
Yeah, I can see where nVidia got their ideas from.
@kosmosyche3 ай бұрын
Panasonic was making 4090s, before it was cool.
@harrymartin6843 ай бұрын
I love that all of these photos look like they could have come from an old GeoCities page
@KyleRuggles3 ай бұрын
There was also Lycos! lol! And Alta Vista. :P Oh I miss those days, of choice!
@nickwort1233 ай бұрын
I can’t believe “floptical disk” is a real name for a real product
@edgarwalk56373 ай бұрын
It was a bit of a flop. 😁
@metafuel3 ай бұрын
Great band name.
@misterkefir3 ай бұрын
It's just.. glorious.
@Knez0113 ай бұрын
Old digital camera videos are absolutely my favorite, keep them coming!
@lostuser64103 ай бұрын
13:10 I was absolutely NOT prepared for this lol
@thephoenixking10863 ай бұрын
When you buy a 4090 from some online seller and they send you this 4090 instead.
@rawr519193 ай бұрын
And then you don't mind it anyway
@saiyaman233 ай бұрын
But you still get to experience the chunkiness.
@CaveyMoth3 ай бұрын
Similar price, with inflation taken into account.
@BrickTamlandOfficial3 ай бұрын
3:00 I am glad they labeled it a SHTR so people knew before they bought it.
@benn4543 ай бұрын
SHTR's full!
@joesatchton2123 ай бұрын
Clint: Thanks so much for the Manhattan pics! I'm a native NYC son now living in HK for the last 10 years. I miss home terribly and your pics made me smile :) I hope my home, the best city in the world, treated you well!!
@raoulduke60433 ай бұрын
This was a crazy device for it's time! Do you know the Logitech Quickcam Traveler from 2001? It was both a high end webcam and a basic digital camera with 2x AA batteries, internal 4Mb of memory, and no flash. It also supported the Reality Fusion augmented reality games, motion detection videos, etc.. It's now quite complicated to find anything on this camera, but back then it was quite good.
@LGR3 ай бұрын
That’s an enhanced version of the Intel digital camera I reviewed not long ago! It has most of the same features including Reality Fusion games: kzbin.info/www/bejne/qnqconudZ956qtk
@raoulduke60433 ай бұрын
@@LGR Considering your episode I would say it's the other way around as I don't recall the Logitech model being able to make videos. However the focus ring went from infinite focus to macro, which seems better. One funny thing is that the Reality Fusion games you test on both of your videos don't match those that were bundled with Logitech if I recall correctly. Those games were tech demos but they were quite ahead of their time nonetheless. Funny to know that we more or less share our first digital camera. I still have tons of photos made with it, but the quality really isn't great. I tried some AI upscaling, but it turned out to be a complete mess ^^ Anyway, thanks for another great video!
@Randon_Tain3 ай бұрын
Had a logitech as my family's first digital camera, it's best parlor trick was when you only had a few shots left on the counter you turned it off and on again you could get two or three more pictures then before you power cycled it, naturally the only worked a few times before it truly had a full memory but it was a neat trick at the time. Still got it but I doubt Clint needs one.
@CyannePractice3 ай бұрын
"And of course, the most action happens around back." Of course. I'm glad that you're still having fun writing scripts. :)
@segamon3 ай бұрын
@@CyannePractice Hearing that the camera was used for "Dick pics" caught me off guard. 😂
@snowboard_coach3 ай бұрын
Fun fact: the old Imation building in the Twin Cities was converted into a business campus. It now houses the headquarters of Slumberland.
@RandomNonsense19853 ай бұрын
I thought Slumberland Records was a one-man operation in Olympia, Washington.
@Gustoberg2 ай бұрын
Found you through a sims 4 video, but you make videos about early 2000's cameras as well?!? HELL YEAH
@Spindash543 ай бұрын
Thanks for coming to LI Retro! I didn’t take a selfie, but we talked on Saturday for a bit about the camera itself. I mentioned how my Video Production class in High School had a similar digicam that saved to normal floppy discs. Might’ve been one you reviewed in the past, have to check. Hope to see you again!
@jrchannel74053 ай бұрын
13:12 I was having lunch and I almost choke on coca cola
@KomradeMikhail3 ай бұрын
I've been singing the praises of the LS-120 SuperDisk since it was new... And I was never even a Mac user. I still include one in most of my retro PC builds. They are better than zip drives in every way. They are supported in most PC BIOS, from Pentium I (including some late i486 mobo's), all the way up to at least Haswell, possibly beyond. They don't actually require drivers, or software. You can boot from them. They came in IDE, SCSI, Parallel, and USB... Internal and External. You can crack open an external enclosure to get an internal drive. They also read and write HD 1.44 floppies faster than a regular floppy drive. No "Click Of Death". I'm sure I'm forgetting a few other highlights.
@MrDuncl3 ай бұрын
And to top it all they then brought out an LS240 version.
@belstar11283 ай бұрын
why didn't they get more popular it would have been handy for a few years at least
@MrDuncl3 ай бұрын
@@belstar1128 The falling prices of Flash Memory and CD / DVD writers. Have a look at how many Camcorders incorporated mini DVD writers for a while.
@greggv83 ай бұрын
@@MrDuncl LS240 had a function to write 32 megabytes to a standard 1.44M floppy, but it could only do it in disk at once (DAO) like burning a CD-R, and of course such disks were only readable in LS240 drives. It would be a way to store files you didn't want just anyone to be able to access.
@smashthings13 ай бұрын
THIS is what I call plug & play! No long-lost drivers, no hassle to get it working, no proprietary software. Still usable 25+ years later on modern machines. Love the photos these early CCD digital cameras output.
@CaptFwiffo3 ай бұрын
Great meeting you at Retro World Expo today, and thanks for signing my copy of Sim City 2000!!! Guess I got a sneak peak of this video by seeing the camera at the expo :)
@kiplinght3 ай бұрын
I had never heard of Super Disks until this moment
@4Wilko3 ай бұрын
13:12 really caught me off guard! Glad you enjoyed your NYC trip.
@KyleRuggles3 ай бұрын
Oh this was great! A real blast from the past, I remember watching this on the Computer Chronicles, which was my FAVORITE show growing up. Thank you for taking us along your trip, image and video samples and going back to when I was raving about the LS120 drive when my classmates probably had no clue what I was talking about lol. Oh I miss the 80's and 90's.
@wxcferdts3 ай бұрын
I wonder, Clint ... you are so fluent, witty and easy on the ear: an excellent and very pleasant voice-over that draws the viewer in ... Do you read from a script, or partly memorize it, adlibbing where you can and want? It just makes your already fabulous and highly interesting and entertaining videos EVEN better. Kudos! I do hope, by the way, there's going to be a video of your NY trip ... The Chicago one was really great, and no: at some 2 hours not even a second too long.
@LGR3 ай бұрын
Videos such as these are fully scripted! I’ll adlib a line here and there but mostly I like to write and refine a script long before I think about recording. And yes a New York travel video will be on LGR Blerbs before too long :)
@SolusKoi3 ай бұрын
I caught the Critical Roll Bells Hells figures, dnd nerds unite! Didn’t know you were into dnd LGR, but that’s cool to learn about you. Keep up the great content.
@james-qe7lh3 ай бұрын
It was great seeing you at the LI Retro Gaming Expo! Hope to see this trip made into an LGR Blurbs video
@LGR3 ай бұрын
It definitely will, almost done editing!
@TheGMan.3 ай бұрын
Time to watch LGR and chew bubble gum and I’m all out of gum
@Mr.CellophaneHart3 ай бұрын
You could always try the Conehead method....
@TheGMan.3 ай бұрын
@@Mr.CellophaneHartu look like a molester
@stealthyllama243 ай бұрын
Always love your camera videos. Something beautiful about early digital photos
@KartKing4ever3 ай бұрын
The photo of the Thunderbird in the parking garage looks like a car selection screen out of a Need for Speed game from 25 years ago. Neat.
@proteus4043 ай бұрын
$900 Dollarydoos in 1999 is now about $1700 today. I always find it fascinating to see how prices drop for new tech
@MrDuncl3 ай бұрын
It has been the falling price of Flash Storage that changed everything. In 2002 I paid £85 for a 256MByte CF card
@Meowwentthedino3 ай бұрын
Love the selfie of you and adam koralik!
@FeisarX3 ай бұрын
I had an external superdisk drive in college. As a matter of fact I still own it and have a couple disks. I needed an external disk drive and bought this since it was a similar price but added the feature of 120MB disks. It was a GREAT product for me at the time. Students were jealous I could pack so much into a disk.
@guardiane3 ай бұрын
I'm really shocked to see how good the quality is. Makes me wonder what people will be saying in another 25 years or so about the cameras we use today. Thanks for another fun and interesting review, Clint.
@MFunkibut3 ай бұрын
Had one, my 4090 was a WORKHORSE for many years, loved it loved it loved it. As I recall the drive went bad in mine and I ebayed it 'as is'. Good times. Thanks so much for the trip down memory lane.
@Hordes_Of_Nebulah3 ай бұрын
I've been around Asheville / WNC my entire life so your camera reviews always hit home since I see some of these spots almost daily. I remember taking similar photos on terrible 2000s digital cameras back in the days of the much more aesthetic BB&T building.
@freeshrimp3 ай бұрын
Awesome pics and video Clint! Always excited to see a new digicam vid from you
@metafuel3 ай бұрын
Your photos are absolutely superb. Great composition and evoke a serious nostalgic feeling. Great photography sir.
@mcrazza3 ай бұрын
Loving the turn-of-the-millenium look of the images. Peak nostalgia.
@Markimark1513 ай бұрын
We only used Superdisk back in college, because it was connected to the iMacs in the computer lab. The only person I knew who had that Panasonic camera was a classmate in my photography class back when digital cameras were in their infancy.
@TsunamiSephi2 ай бұрын
This was my first digital camera! :O I was fortunate to have a retied Lt. Col. as a grandfather, and he liked cutting edge technology. Looking back at your roots is so much fun. Thank you!
@djangosoftwaredeveloper3 ай бұрын
Gorgeous photos
@maplecinna39793 ай бұрын
that video of the city is surreal
@charleesturdy89963 ай бұрын
it looks like AI
@KimHarderFog3 ай бұрын
love the resulting image quality of 90'ies digital captures
@agentlesoul19753 ай бұрын
You and I are kindred spirits I love looking back on older technology. Keep making these great videos!
@MNGoldenEagle3 ай бұрын
Love the picture of the Critical Role minis. Always happy to see another fan!
@ThePaperKhan3 ай бұрын
I can't believe you post these for free man! Very entertaining.
@GloriaWarren-l4cАй бұрын
By living deeply in the present moment we can understand the past better and we can prepare for a better future.
@derdoc46093 ай бұрын
Your Pictures are fantastic!
@TestHandlePleaseIgnore3 ай бұрын
My family had a USB LS-120 for our Second Edition Bondi iMac! The fact that it could use regular floppies as well as the LS-120 made it crazy easy to write up a paper and print it off at school. The disks and drive were also way more reliable than Zip drives. Until re-writeable CDs and burners came out it was super useful.
@stephens71363 ай бұрын
10:10 A photo of a VR headset hooked up to a modern smartphone on a wireless charging pad, taken with a 25yr-old digital camera & stored on super-floppy. I love these seemingly anachronistic combinations. State-of-the-art, 2 & a half decades apart.
@JeskidoYT3 ай бұрын
honestly your selfie game is AMAZING
@RemnantCult3 ай бұрын
Old digital cameras having a scene warms my heart. These produce such a unique image and vibe.
@senseicorey99793 ай бұрын
Man.....I KNOW this guy likes cars. I can tell. I'm really waiting for the Lazy car reviews channel. It would be so good.
@senseicorey99793 ай бұрын
I have a modified 2004 wrx you can review
@MH-ht2rw3 ай бұрын
Hello sir! I have, many years ago, come across the super drive and its floppy disk. Thank you for reminding me. I have many cherished memories from that time. 😊
@TheVoyger12343 ай бұрын
As a Vinesauce and LGR viewer, it hit me that we were actually THIS close to Clint taking a SuperDisk selfie with Vinny at LI Retro. I am immensely disappointed this did not happen, would have been funny to think about. (Doesn't take away from the video itself being great as always though.)
@LGR3 ай бұрын
Somehow despite being at the show twice together we’ve still never met!
@m3chan1zr3 ай бұрын
I have one of these! It came with 1 Superdisk. It was wild being able to have a 120mb floppy.
@Jimbowholivesinsoup3 ай бұрын
Great review ! Thanks for the details and humor !!
@samuelmeasa92833 ай бұрын
Not sure why this didn't come up sooner. I'm subbed, with notifications on, but didn't see this till Thursday morning in my recommendations.
@GodsMemeTV3 ай бұрын
6:19 - OMG turning ON a beautiful device from the past is a TOP ASMR event for and old boomer who grow up admiring them (it was too expensive to purchase it tho) 🙏
@MissMTurner3 ай бұрын
5:30 omg! Countryside Mall is a 15 minute drive from me. Its in Clearwater right on the major north-south road, Us Hwy 19. Fun fact, Countryside has an ice skating rink inside. Nothing took over the Sears fully when it closed, but the bottom floor became an external only (no mall entrance) Whole Foods. The upstairs old Sears part is still empty. Anyway, just amazed to see something so close to home.
@warrencampbell68623 ай бұрын
I had this camera in 2002. THIS takes me back. Thanks for the well needed dopamine boost. love you @LGR
@D2RCR3 ай бұрын
I had that Sony Mavica FD camera in the early 2000s. The floppy disks were annoying but the image quality was really good.
@JeffWatchesYoutube3 ай бұрын
My old stomping grounds, Countryside Mall in Clearwater! Wasn't expecting to hear that on LGR.
@paulalaniz66973 ай бұрын
Floptical is my new favorite word.
@EdHelms13 ай бұрын
Great video, as a photographer, LGR digicam videos are the best LGR videos.
@FiatUno20033 ай бұрын
My favourite thing about these 90's and early 2000's cameras is the vibe that the images have. I have a 2013 Nikon Coolpix L315 and it's a really good camera but I constantly find myself wanting to use my Digitron S9 from the late 2000's just because it has that graininess and different colors.
@Atsumari3 ай бұрын
Honestly Clint the fact that it even is recognized by modern computers puts this thing in a league in its own... I know so much old tech I use that when I plug it in on an Apple anything or PC... anything not time specific it just explodes. These guys made a beast here.
@tipi55863 ай бұрын
I love Panasonic cameras, so this video is particularly close to my heart. Love you LGR!
@JB_inks3 ай бұрын
I'm impressed at just how awesome the video looks from the camera that filmed this. Seeing NYC in 4k and then in whatever god-awful resolution from that camera, it was quite the difference!
@NorthGhost5393 ай бұрын
I bought a Mavica 88 after your video on those cameras and I use it all the time to take pictures with my daughter when we go on ATV rides. I might have to pick up the SD4090 now. I really love the aesthetics of that modern charging dock and the superdisk capabilities.
@whoevertf3 ай бұрын
Surprisingly good photo quality, for sure. Hey Clint, thanks for always posting good chill stuff and please don't go completely insane like apparently most KZbin folks seem to do. Watch the substance intakes, stay healthy, relax as much as needed, watch Vice Grip Garage, etc. I don't even KNOW what causes this lunacy but... yeah, jesus, it's everywhere. lmao
@bobotech3 ай бұрын
Ohhhh, I had one of those. And that same floppy drive. I thought it was the coolest camera at the time. I got mine used around 2002 I believe.
@JennieOkami16 күн бұрын
You had kick started my obsession of old cameras in general. I had recently gotten my hands on a 90s type 600 polaroid camera and a kodak easy share M530 and have been bringing it around to different places to get photos. I hope to eventually find a 35mm camera, I just wished that my parents still had theirs from the 90s.
@Specz1873 ай бұрын
You took some great photos in NYC. Pretty impressed by the quality of that old camera. I only had various cheap film or disposable cameras in the 90s. Still have a Polaroid sun600 from the late 80s and my first and only digital Kodak C613 I still use for it's optical zoom. Wish my Samsung zflip4 had that lol good video as always Clint.
@fangfracture3 ай бұрын
9:27 the CR minis are so cute!!
@krittikababe3 ай бұрын
I grew up within twenty blocks of where you took the skyline photos and this old tech video made me so emotional to recall how things were back twenty five years ago ❤❤
@gfhrtshergheghegewgewgew17303 ай бұрын
dude those photos are amazing, especially for being on a storage medium the form factor of a floppy diskette, and taken on a digital camera from frickin 1999! just wow, dynamic range and lighting problems aside, that's really impressive
@joonglegamer98983 ай бұрын
Hey, thats my camera. I got one after I saw the 8-bit guy showed it in one of his episodes, but I thought you needed the special charger, and it needs 7+v to work, and, it turns out that an old 5v 2A psu I had laying around actually worked with it. So it works. Nice. I'm finally gonna get to use it.
@michaelglynn93293 ай бұрын
Man, I always get excited when I hear unexpected mention of my Long Island. And nice pictures from the city!
@someoneelse76293 ай бұрын
I remember borrowing a digital camera to take pictures of my kids, and it quickly filled all the floppys I had, sadly, none of those picktures are to be found today, while every photo taken on film and developed is still to be enjoyed on their albums. Even if I found the floppys, I dont have a computer with a drive anymore. Later on in life, all pictures were taken with cellphones and never saved befor the phones died and there is a gap of many years I have no pictures from. My 2 latest phones are backed up to my laptop, that is about to die too, so it's just a matter of time before they are gone too. Thank's for reminfing me to back them up to something else
@jayman40953 ай бұрын
I actually have one of these found it in a car in the junkyard 7+ years ago and sure enough the it worked after puttin in a replacement battery. Just recently the drive finally gave up. I definitely have to say that was a well-made camera.
@recompile3 ай бұрын
I also have one, but it's not a fun junkyard find. It was used at my office for a little while before being replaced. I pulled it out a few years ago when I saw a similar camera on LGR. The original battery and the drive both surprisingly still work, I assume because it was always stored in a climate controlled environment and never really saw much use. I don't have any super disks to try, but it still reads ordinary floppies.
@CC_26173 ай бұрын
Absolutely love the quality of the photos
@LotoTheHero3 ай бұрын
For some reason I really love the pictures this camera takes. What a nice little camera! :D
@Wilde90er3 ай бұрын
Those pictures look awesome! Would love to have this camera myself. Thanks for the great review.
@tomarnd87243 ай бұрын
Dang those pictures look really good, got that wonderful early digicam look but also they look genuinely good in terms of colors and definition
@RylTheValstrax3 ай бұрын
Oh geeze, I remember these and the superdisk (sort of for the latter). One of the schools I attended had a few of these cameras for one of the classes, but typically only used standard floppies with them. There was a single superdisk drive (the same external mac-themed one shown) other than the cameras themselves and a single LS-120 disk, but due to "student exposure" they were both inoperable since someone picked at the metal cover on the disk causing it to fold up at the corner, and then inserted it into the drive, causing it to get jammed.
@happy_camper3 ай бұрын
We used one of these for cataloging finds in our archaeology lab at my university!
@JadenGoter3 ай бұрын
I bought one of these last year! Couldn’t find a superdisk reader for cheap so I emulated win 98 to get the usb drivers to work, haha. Fun camera and great vid!
@Onyxblanc3 ай бұрын
Your high rise shots are making my palms seriously sweaty
@COOPERE-fn8xz3 ай бұрын
I'm constantly checking your channel to see if there are new videos yet, I didn't even see this one came out today!! Awesome, thank you, Clint, per usual for this excellent content!!!
@ThePerfectStormGaming3 ай бұрын
It was a pleasure to interview you earlier today. Thank you very much for taking the time to talk with a much smaller channel. It was greatly appreciated.
@LGR3 ай бұрын
Certainly, it was nice chatting!
@ThePerfectStormGaming3 ай бұрын
@@LGR also if you ever change your mind and would like to appear on a live stream we would be more than willing to accommodate in any way you needed including not being on camera. We’d just love to have you on and chat and play games and have you pick the games we play. I have 34k+ of them on my cabinet.
@racecar_spelled_backwards8683 ай бұрын
5:24 OMG, dude! That mall was literally walking distance from my house growing up! Small world!
@jst77143 ай бұрын
There’s more for your life at Sears!
@andrewperkin71922 ай бұрын
The photos taken just takes me back man.
@StickPeopleAndPuff3 ай бұрын
Dawg found the camera all OG KZbinrs used in the videos of that one very specific thing you were looking for but there was only ever one video of
@TriegaDN2 ай бұрын
The picture quality of my childhood. I love it. This and those disposable film cameras that tend to make your pupils glow red.
@bitrage.2 ай бұрын
Dic pics is comedy gold my friend!!😂
@Robert-nz2qw3 ай бұрын
Those images almost have a film quality to them. I like the feel they give off