Deep Rock Galactic: Live Service Done Right

[@toastybread0413]

Protip: always spare your C4s when playing as the Driller so that you can use it later on to grief your team's Scout

[@SmudgeAlot]

You my good sir are the reason I can't play Scout 😂

[@toastybread0413]

@@SmudgeAlot don't worry buddy, when a Driller says they've got the friendly fire perk equipped, you never ask twice

[@TheStarMachine2000]

​@@SmudgeAlot Vitamin C4 is essential to strengthen the bones of Scouts so they are more resistant to falling from heights! I am helping!

[@SmudgeAlot]

@@TheStarMachine2000 Thank you for your help, but I'd rather have my bones shattered than intake vitamin C4

[@oddsandends634]

I really liked this video but I thought there was too much rock and not enough stone😞

[@shadamethyst1258]

It's rock and stone, not rock or stone!

[@DSCota]

@@shadamethyst1258 "Wait... What is the difference between rock and stone?"

[@pratikkore7947]

when the rock falls to the ground, it gets a superhero landing, when a stone falls to the ground, even Spiderman can't stop it

[@bluescout766]

Rock and stone

[@hot_chocolate7626]

@@DSCotaLegality.

[@RainbwRobyn]

If anyone is wondering why they decided to go with an unmonitized battle pass the devs said it was to resolve an issue when it came to releasing new content. Basically before most new cosmetics were put in the in-game store. This caused a situation where new players had to choose between weapon upgrades and cosmetics and old players could just get everything instantly. With the battle pass system new players can get some cosmetics without sacrificing upgrades and old players now have to work for the new stuff. Also slight correction; no class is "squishier" than any other. They all have the same amount of health.

[@comet.x]

also seasonal content was added because it 'motivated the devs'

[@Vysair]

as a scout and driller main, scout is quite strong and you could solo haz 4 better than any other dwarf. There are OC that also made your weapon deals higher dmg

[@RainbwRobyn]

@@Vysair I was simply talking about how much damage the classes *take* not how much they *do*. of course scout have the grapple hook so they can avoid a lot of damage by zipping away and driller has good crowd control so they can kill a lot of bugs before they get to them. But in regards to the amount of health and shield each class has it's the same for all of them (there are armor and health upgrades that give you more but those upgrades are the same for each class). That's what I meant by no class is "squishier" than the others.

[@Zectifin]

@@RainbwRobyn exactly. the gunner and driller may "look" tankier, but they are not.

[@personman446]

​@@Zectifinwell, gunner is, but mostly because his armor's 50% explosive resistance comes into play much more often than the other class resistances (it applies to tri jaw shots, for example)

[@InvidiousIgnoramus]

Doretta's head can only even be brought back because the community didn't want to abandon her. I love that.

[@maxruble5433]

5:57 Correction: The fall damage reduction is an upgrade, not included by default.

[@equaltoreality8028]

And its an upgrade that everybody gets as its the only option so it might as well be. really I should be baked in by default, just like all the other single option tier items.

[@WokeDEMOCRATShaveASPD]

@@equaltoreality8028imagine someone took it off for one game😂. I think it’s a different color if not equipped….for just that reason.

[@Yoshihara72]

@@WokeDEMOCRATShaveASPD There is a mod (approved for regular gameplay) that tints the color of the platform based on its upgrades. But in vanilla, all platforms are yellow, so its impossible to know if someone turned it off (or havent unlocked it) I myself broke a pair of legs or two in a mission, because I didn't realize our engi is a greenbeard that just started out the game and hasn't unlocked the perk yet. The things you take for granted in life....

[@Bebe-5410]

@@Yoshihara72 Platforms when you hold the laser pointer over them will either say something like "Plascrete Foam MK 1" or "Plascrete Foam MK 2" depending on whether or not they have the upgrade.

[@Yoshihara72]

@@Bebe-5410 Oh actually didn't know about this! Though even knowing that, I most likely will never really check it in a mission. Especially, since it doesn't tell you if they have bug repellent active as well.

[@squirrelwood8008]

You forgot to mention something seriously important: You never ever ever ever ever ever order a Leaflovers at the bar.

[@superdude10000]

I am a fool.

[@matan7851]

I'm really confused how on the one hand, the channel has only 9k subs but on the other hand every video is a masterpiece . The points you make are concise and interesting, the production is really cool and well done. Can't wait to recommend this channel to everyone I know!

[@superdude10000]

Thanks love, this comment put a pep in my step.

[@Vice_Admiral_Garp]

I agree my only conclusion is that most of the internet are idiots 😂❤

[@rue2649]

the answer is simple: you need to think what do (most) people not like to do? idk probably thinking

[@SusejFTW]

Real talk. I just sat here after work playing cancer- i mean d4 absorbing his channel.

[@WokeDEMOCRATShaveASPD]

There’s ALOT of game design knowledge I’m sitting on but yet to start YT or learn video editing. But I’m being pulled to multiple directions.

[@Wheelz567]

Great summary video! Only thing I will say is that no dwarf is "squishy or tanky" in the traditional class sense, they all have the same health pools. Just in case ppl might get confused that Gunner can take more hits than Scout, when in reality they just have different means of avoiding damage. (Scout fly away, Gunners dome shield, etc). There's fun to be had in learning how to avoid that damage and dance around the battlefield as each class. Learning "pancake parkour" as Engi is very satisfying for example haha

[@chunkylover5367]

This is my favorite game for the past year. 1.3k hours, and not at max level yet for all the dwarfs. Pretty damn good on a Steam Deck too! Rock and Stone Brotha!

[@shadamethyst1258]

Yeah I am glad it runs well on linux, I hear some GaaS are plain impossible to run because they rely on questionableware

[@magnusquercu9905]

It’s been sitting in my library for quite some time now. Been hesitant to try it on deck. How is communicating on deck?

[@DSCota]

ROCK. AND. STOOOOOOONE.

[@chunkylover5367]

​@@magnusquercu9905 Its fine, you can voice chat. Typing is a pain. The game doesn't require much communication past pointing and marking with your laser pointer.

[@magnusquercu9905]

@@chunkylover5367 Thanks!

[@rizjacornelissen6831]

Driller main here i hope you are all having a nice day/night so far when reading this I have played this game for around 1k hours by now and still love to see greenbeards showing up and tell them tips and tricks they dont know Anyhow i give it a 8 out of 10 Rock and stone everyone

[@fakskis]

Dude I LOVE your Dwarven Isaac Clarke, looks so good! :D

[@superdude10000]

Wow, thanks!!

[@DaMedicWhoSezNi]

As a greybeard with over 1000 hours and legendary 3 in all classes, this video is a perfect video about the best game I’ve ever played. I’m so happy Adam Millard recommend this channel to me on his starfield video. I am now subbed to you and can’t wait to see more from you.

[@Avarn_]

R & S brother! Fantastic overview and honest opinion. I cannot praise DRG, Ghost Ship games or its community enough. I've never had a game that I've gone out of my way to buy for others so much. Not only as I want to help more people experience it, but to support the developers and their amazingly consumer friendly practices. Especially at a time where nearly every game just tries to extract more and more money out of gamers, even after paying full price.

[@mr.opinions5096]

Scout is the same as the engineer, as soon as you get new guns and overclocks you're able to take down more enemies and move faster. ROCK AND STOOOONEE!!!!!

[@RitaMaSTeR]

Rock and stone!

[@superdude10000]

ROCK AND STONE TO THE BONE!

[@Frog_Wizard801]

ROCK AND STONE!!!!

[@idealis8998]

STONE AND ROCK!! Oh, wait...

[@primrose5031]

By the beard!

[@oldmancorecentral]

Consider this! Legally speaking, rocking is more legal than stoning. Eh, eh?

[@theaveragegamer7221]

For some translation for dwarf etiquette for consol: Press R3 (salute) whenever it's too quiet (2.3s) Always keep in mind of choke points Always immediately ban griefers (almost always racists) Pet steve (indefinitely) Annoy management as much as possible Spam the drop pod button when ready to leave but dont activate until all are spamming NEVER take more than one resupply Pet steve (indefinitely) Collect as mich nitra as possible Shoot goo sacs Pet steve (indefinitely)

[@TheElysianPrince]

If you Rock and Stone, you're never alone!

[@TZerot0]

I wish I liked Deeprock as much as you do, it just fills me with the same GaaS rage despite it being free.

[@ImDaRealBoi]

Hopping from warframe to drg was one hell of a hit of whiplash for me. I mean sure, it was free, but I could never get any good cosmetics and the grind was unreasonably long, basically locking me out of having the fun I want. Then I go to drg where I can buy all of my cosmetics and there's far less of a grind to get what I want. I understand the rpg mechanics was what made warframe the game it was, but it sucked getting new toys only to realize the extent of the grind I would need to pursue with my incredibly weak weapons to get them to the same spot I'm already at. Drg was so much easier, with a pretty reasonable grind for upgrades. Warframe felt more like I had to have a specialized build for everything, but drg was a bit more flexible as it relied more on applying the comparatively smaller pool of loudout combos to different situations. I bring I dread killer engi around surprisingly often because while I am much weaker without huge cc, I rely more on my skills at kiting and using the pierce mod for my loki.

[@comet.x]

I had the same experience! With warframe I did get far enough to have a 'god build' (no idea how it holds up today) and get cosmetics with plat trading, but it feels with deep rock i got new toys way faster! and the new toys are actually new! not just particle emitter #67

[@equaltoreality8028]

I love DRG, I have only ever found 1 slightly toxic person but they only when toxic when things went terminally south.

[@ИльясСас]

Yeah, great thing seeing a video about my fav game like half a year after its been uploaded, but anyway, thank you for an awesome review! Enjoyed every second of it, and as a seasoned player i can say thant you've (almost) covered every part of the game, and made it look very appealing for the new players, imo. Would be glad to meet you in game, RNS BROTHA!

[@qwertyuiop3656]

OMG I have to get back to this game! I was hooked on scout. Loved the hardest difficulties

[@Obozo_Gaming]

5:57 Tip only applies when you have the Plastcrete MKII perk*

[@magma_fire_bagwan]

Fantastic video! I'm not really a greenbeard anymore, but I'm definitely still getting all my builds together. I think you said basically EVERYTHING I would when recommending this game to friends. Also, the "Gaas game" thing is kinda already growing on me

[@honestmistake8167]

As someone who has been playing DRG for a total playtime of 20 hours, with hopefully much more on the way if life doesn't get in the way of it, Engineer is probably going to be my favorite class to play. I'm already close to promoting my Engineer (rn at rank 21 at the time of writing this comment) And have barely touched any other class other than the gunner in the tutorial level. There is something so satisfying about throwing out a Shredder grenade, setting up a turret, then befriending a glyphid named Steeve, and watching them all go to town on a crowd of glyphids, while I stay back and take potshots at the horde with my grenade launcher. Truly the summoner class of DRG.

[@chaseyestrau]

I pray to Karl you can get the fat boy oc once you promote. Not because it’s practical but just for the feeling of first using it

[@justsomejerseydevilwithint4606]

6:36 I am a scout main, and this makes me happy. I always do my best to keep the room lit and the nitra mined.

[@RickTheSmugLord]

A good game is when it offers all the content and never takes it away, no matter when or where you play it! *ROCK AND STONE MY BROTHERS AND SISTERS!*

[@justsomejerseydevilwithint4606]

6:31 Zappy Bolts! Bodkin points! Imbedded dets Zhukovs! Armor-breaking DPS-tuned GK2! Combat Scout here; I can consistently get Most Kills with a little effort. All the classes are flexible like that.

[@Shloup_1]

I find it kind of funny how i have had more productive conversations using the ping tool and the ROCK AND STONE button, than i ever have had using voice chat in a game like overwatch

[@cheesepotatogratin]

Very nice video! I'm gonna pinch in one of my most important tips. FOR BEGINNERS WHO WANT TO PLAY WITH RANDOMS: most of the chillest people are the ones with the silliest server description (I usually set it to something like "Ever seen a glyphid in a bikini? Now's your chance!" and have gotten some of the funniest people, but ofc also some tryhards). I do NOT recommend joining the e-Sport-esque servers (the ones with the "At least one promoted...", "serious or get kicked...", "Lvl100 + blablabla...", etc.), as they are usually the people, who I feel aren't really getting the game -> As said by superdude, despite the first couple of missions are very stressful, it's usually a very chill game!

[@BioticCryptic]

Rock and STONE!

[@superdude10000]

DID I HEAR A ROCK AND STONE?

[@shadamethyst1258]

WAIT, WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN ROCK AND STONE?

[@DSCota]

ROCK AND ROLL!

[@Kei-42]

15:00 Oh my beard! It's happened! There is an actual, real pointy-eared leaf lover in our midst!

[@finch8539]

Love your sincerity and work! Super refreshing in this day and age

[@crittergonya]

I feel like you're underselling scout quite a bit, because depending on what your loadout is, with overclocks or without, you can actually do a substantial amount of group damage, along with nearly never running out of space to gain distance from. Personally my more aoe focused scout has the drak and the boomstick equipped, and it does a great job at clearing groups of bugs fast Nice vid tho

[@olaf.forkbeard]

The game has full controller support as well. I play it on PC with controller as a Scout on Haz5 all the time. Good controls. I think it's a good selling point.

[@justsomejerseydevilwithint4606]

I'm a combat scout main; I found 2 good builds that both do above average damage in all situations; one is better for hordes, one is better for single target, and while I usually chill out with some haz 3, chill with some randos at the bar, and have a fun time. And sometimes I turn on the Doom Music, pump myself up to the max, and go FUCKNUTS with it on Hazard Five, chewing through hordes and calling for more. Great Game.

[@Loolilol]

As a DRG player, i agree the ENTIERTY of this video but EVEN MORE the etiquette.

[@picco2939]

This is the best video on DRG that I have seen so far. Good job

[@DarkAvengerVIM]

ROCK AND STONE! Scout is the class i feel the least when they're not there. My engineer and my roommates driller are all that we've needed to do what needs to be done.

[@KoshJosh1594]

Great video, love deep rock o7

[@Zectifin]

also for anyone concerned about the cosmetic DLC, let me say that its in the steam store, so you can pay with steam wallet or real money and don't have to buy a premium currency. They go on sale during steam sales and the older ones go on a pretty cheap sale. Also the price is waaaay better than anything in any other live service game. where most games want to charge you $15-20 for a single skin, maaaybe with some recolors, the DRG ones are packs that come with at least 4 skins (one for each class) and a recolor that can be used on all skins, and all other recolors can be used on the new skin. they also come with some variety of a mining pick set, a skin for each gun, a skin for bosco (the drone that helps you when you are solo) and a recolor for the guns. All of that usually costs around $5-6 full price, and again they go on sale.

[@williampickett8074]

Great video! Looking forward to teaming up sometime. Its bound to happen eventually. Rock and Stone!

[@mythiccarrot8523]

E.M.D(engineer of mass destruction) is my favorite play style. Nuke overclock on GL. Any main weapon. Gemeni system sentry. Lure device. Use gemini sentry/your team to watch your flanks, use your lure to get ALOT of bugs in one place/one big bug, use the nuke launcher to DELETE them. Pick off rest with main weapon. Very funny to clear half a horde with one shot.

[@soliddragon5571]

Hey I'm binge-watching your videos and i really really enjoy them! Your video essays are so unique and fun. Thank you for making them :)

[@soraparado9859]

You are about to blow up, dude. I can tell that you’re going to be incredible, keep it up!

[@derheadbanger9039]

Rock and Stone!

[@superdude10000]

ROCK! AND! STOOOOONE!

[@DSCota]

If you Rock and Stone, you're never alone :)

[@DeathCatInHat]

Not the sort of game I play so I have not tried it but I like the in deapth look at it. I will have to look into trying this game out.

[@autronic9306]

Me and my group always used a mod that changes the pet sound effect into "what the dog doin?", good times.

[@redd_1120]

Glad I found your channel! Love the videos. Your quality is insane.

[@okamiv5]

Its such a good game i used it as the inspiration for some dnd 1 shots and they were great successes

[@Boomblox5896]

Saying Rock & Stone has sort of the same energy as the Mandalorians' "This is the Way" in which everyone says it when one of them says it. It's a little community cult that shows brotherhood between workers. Plus it's fun to say it when you get the Jet Boots in the new season so you can pretend you're a Mandalorian as well.

[@jeremiassassi90]

This is the perfect combination of minecraft and doom

[@Jo-Heike]

Such a wholesome video.

[@hellion0591]

This is one of two games that I gave a try, was too confused to understand, tried again atleast 6 months later and then poured hundreds of hours into. The other game being Risk of Rain 2, though I will admit I've played DRG more than double the amount of hours (currently 826 hours, 57/69 achievements) that I've played ROR2 (396 hours [vanilla and modded combined], 118/118 achievements). Before I gave DRG a second chance and fell in love with it, I put around 400 hours into L4D2. DRG is currently my favorite (and imo, the best modern) horde shooter.

[@CrashSable]

A good co-op game is one that requires no communication between the players whatsoever. One where it's impossible to screw each other over and yeah, you do better if everyone gets on the team train, but you don't automatically fail just because somebody failed at "their job"

[@alices.7968]

No class is more squishy or more tanky than another. They all can take the same amount of hits. Of course gunner has a shield, but in terms of Drillver vs Engineer vs Scout they all are equally as tanky/squishy.

[@BeezOne84]

As someone with 1150+ hours split roughly equally between all 4 classes I can say scout is in no way "squishier" than other classes.

[@TtimeXP]

I loved Deep Rock Galactic but im terrible with first person shooters. I loved the hours I spent the game. The new gaas game with similar game practice is Helldivers 2 which is perfect for me! 3rd person PVE fills the void. I wish we could dig into the worlds, but they are adding more things as of right now. Many similar missions and the monsters remind me of the spiders in DRG. Rock in Stone, Forever!

[@kellanusher5052]

I love the sincerity haha. This game has always been intriguing to me but I just thought it was too normie. Guess I'm the normie for not trying it out!

[@DSCota]

This^

[@SlimeyZockt]

So, i play a fair share of GaaS Games. I started in Overwatch 1 and shortly before OW2 I went over to Destiny. OW2 never enticed me outside the beta and Destiny is another live service game, but it's slightly more fun to play. Now I also play DRG. It's my back up game, my need when im burned out. It always waits for me and it's my Ol Reliable if you get what I mean. Always fun to do, never feel like I am not supposed to be here or I NEED to get stuff. It's great. Yet I still managed to find someone toxic on my 3rd mission I ever played back when I joined over a year ago. They just booted me right before end, so I would not get the full reward. Still nice that you then get your cut, great Job DRG, one can see this game is made with love and therefore is loved by all

[@captainshelf7]

Just host your own lobbies, dwarves will join to aid you without encounters with the 1/1000 toxic people. To be honest I'm not sure how this is a consistency, but being host is the solution. (You also get 0 ping)

[@SlimeyZockt]

@@captainshelf7 I know, I do mix hosting and joining alot and that has been my only toxic encoutner to date, so it's never consistent anyway

[@kirbbar2258]

Driller main here addressing greenbeards, imagine the class as a support class that can be built for chip damage or varying degrees of crowd control. Your job is to soften everything up one way or another. Also, with the right loadout driller does the highest single target damage in the game with the catch that you have to run a specific grenade and secondary and it wont be effective against bosses.

[@pain_rain609]

It's too late

[@Bittertokken]

Glad I found your channel. Quality content!

[@Frog_Wizard801]

ROCK AND STONE

[@superdude10000]

STONE AND ROCK!! Oh wait

[@DSCota]

Rockity Rock and Stone

[@miniwhiffy3465]

the battlepass part just got better cause now you can go back to the previous seasons and work on them

[@frankroberts9494]

I like to spend any extra nitra at missions end to buy drops for Karl before we get on the pod

[@c0baltl1ghtn1ng]

I may be a few months late, but similar to typing "R" in the chat is pinging the thing and hanging around it, and pinging it again after a short moment, or my favourite, standing still and swinging your pickaxe in the direction of the objective. Careful you don't actually hit it if it's a deadnaught cocoon. It's important to read the room (or, well, cave?) before pressing The Big Red Button of No Return.

[@WildOhana]

Now I have to redownload… forgot how fun it is!

[@videog4me]

well put

[@844SteamFan]

ROCK AND STONE!

[@ab-cq1oi]

Lovely video and the game sounds just fantastic, definatly gonna check it out at some point. However I do not have a gaming friend group anymore, so maybe its gonna take some time

[@superdude10000]

There is a pretty robust online for joining other matches, so you could potentially FIND new people to play with on there.

[@ab-cq1oi]

You sold me, I'll do try it for sure xD Sounds like a post exam project tho

[@kyogrecrown5869]

Oddly enough theres only other one GaaS game i can think of thats a single purchase, and thats Splatoon 3. Its definitely falls behind DRG in several aspects, but its Catalogs (aka season passes) are free. The issue is that you can permanently miss things or have to get them through the (in-game currency) expensive Shell-out Machine (it has a once a day roll at 1/6 the price). I like it, in spite of its numerous flaws.

[@Randomplaceinruralamerica]

Scout isn’t the most missed character. Digger is, with how many dirt sections there are in bigger caves it becomes a chore to use the pickaxes. Plus he’s THE best swarm/aoe damage dealer

[@2020swatkharthikk]

rock and stone

[@DSCota]

ROCK AND STONE!

[@androsh9039]

Hell yes.

[@CaptainG2280]

ROCK AND STONE BROTHER

[@dorianmcdonald1674]

Rock. And. Stone.

[@DSCota]

If you don't Rock and Stone, you ain't coming home

[@98Timothy]

Ya some people just like to watch the world burn, I started a mission and went to my quaters to check what skills I had and a random blocked me in my room for 5min then when we landed he blocked me in my seat till the drop pod went up and we fell thru it to our deaths... Pretty funny if I knew the guy but still kinda annoying... But I love this game with the homies

[@Lockz1111]

Engineers by far have the most consistent high kill count due to their sentries, so if people like big numbers they're a solid choice lol

[@DawidUliczny-ro7eo]

I really wish they would make version for the PSVR2, it could be fun class based PvE social experience this platform currently needs. It's perfect.

[@PyraHydrokorra]

Leme guess, most played was Oxygen Not Included? Video was amazing, I can't wait to watch the rest of your videos.

[@superdude10000]

How did you figure that out? Did a bad job hiding it, or..?

[@radamantoor6073]

Ahh, a fellow DRG enjoyer I see

[@griffinschmitt2820]

Lmfao someone was at GDC😭😭😭

[@bretts6127]

Preach! DRG is the best

[@danielfletcher706]

I originally though the R signal was for resupplying lol

[@theone614777]

Leaf lovers special 18:35

[@Kiores321]

Good and fun game, but as an introvert I play all alone, and it's tedious and slow, too bad this game doesn't have enough solo options... like class-blending or such, Yes you get a not-so-helpful robot that shoots to help, but really, you end up spending more time killing over and over than mining, and missions takes ages... Overall though, I can see how this would be a great game if you could get that initial step into it, and a few upgrades to make it bearable for me as a solo player

[@chunkylover5367]

Great video! I do have to correct you on one thing here: you said that some dwarves are "squishier" than others. This is not true. They all have the same armor and health count.

[@freshboy3968]

Earth Defense Force is a GaaS game, but I think has a similar progression style. Wonder what your thoughts on it are.

[@nemtudom5074]

13:15 The recently is like 3 years ago lol

[@b1gto4sty81]

I wouldn't call scout weak at all; hell i think i can carry my teammates more reliably as scout than as gunner. Especially with the Drak and double barrel OC, you can mow down anything

[@Mittens_McG]

It's funny how I've never played online with anyone but my friends in real life and we still do all things you mentioned. The moment we realized you could pick up Loretta, we felt awful about the times we left behind. Although the mushroom I don't know the significance of. Anyone want to clue me in?

[@catcommentator6583]

Mushroom = funny = very good

[@zojirushi1]

What’s your most played game on steam?

[@4JOLOT3]

i've spend around 100 euros in this game for my friends to try it only one didnt make me regret it

[@soSkikik]

Games like DRG really show me again and again how socially fucking awkward I am to the point that I know a few of these games so good I know I would love them but avoid them completely like a lava floor.

[@PatrickDunning]

@viator-A01 I was to tell you this and I mean it. When you Rock and Stone, you're never alone.

[@Skypatrol-zh6qp]

Bro... Face Melter + Creating weakpoints microwaves + Temp Shock on driller is GOATED and is BIG What are you even talking about when you say that driller lacks firepower?

[@theone614777]

Use this specific on scouts 8:43

[@Asharas]

We're rich!

[@mrwhatcanido4942]

one of the greatest deep rock explained videos if not THE BEST. awesome work dude

[@Granox]

You watch botan streams?

[@charliefontana1821]

Dwarfs: MUSHROOM! Karl: MUSHROOM! MUSHROOM! SHUT IT! GET BACK TO WORK!

[@DSCota]

That's not Karl that's management.

[@terramancer7240]

Karl would never say such a thing! He would be yelling with the rest of us while management malds about it.