Superman and Spider-Man - Atop the Fourth Wall

Welcome to Atop the Fourth Wall, where bad comics burn. In this episode, Linkara follows up on a crossover between Superman and Spider-Man... with another crossover between the two!
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Originally released July 24th, 2018.
ORIGINAL DESCRIPTION: Aren't crossovers where the two crossing over barely interact with each other the best?

[@FatherofSerpents]

"Call me next time mommy gives you your allowance." "My parents are dead, but thanks for being so understanding and supportive."

[@Krendall2]

"My parents are dead, my uncle is dead, and my aunt has been in poor health for over 50 years, but thanks, anyway."

[@drakkenmensch]

Superman assumes that only two men alive could have engineered this breakout: Luthor and Doom. Somewhere in Metropolis, Vandal Savage feels rejected and he doesn't quite know why.

[@pokejoseph]

Toyman too

[@bluestar2059]

@@pokejoseph And Brainiac. Don't forget Brainiac.

[@dakotadoyle7573]

Since Braniac is a robot he isnt Technically alive

[@RabblesTheBinx]

@@animation1234111 nah, technically he's a Coluan cyborg.

[@jfdrac]

@@dakotadoyle7573 At this point I think Brainiac was still the human Milton Fine

[@mindisfrozen]

No wonder Doom's plans are always foiled, he keeps smashing mirrors! Who knows how many years of bad luck he built up on himself!

[@changvasejarik62]

mindisfrozen given luck is proven fundamental force in both marvel and dc that actually makes sense.

[@genesismultiverse4896]

Considering how much mirrors he would have smashed with probably the many times he does his speech and considering breaking a mirror means 7 years bad luck maybe 7 billion years bad luck we don't know how many he broke

[@dragonsblood23]

Superman's real reason for not stopping Doctor Doom in Latveria is really because he is "Over There's Problem"

[@thatonea-hole]

+dragonsblood23 "That problem is *OVER THERE!* and we need to do something about *OVER-THERE!!!* "

[@pokejoseph]

“WE SHOULD DO SOMETHING!” “Should we do something?” “WE SHOULD DO SOMETHING!” “Should we do something?”

[@MicrowavedAlastair5390]

@@pokejoseph WE SHOULD DO SOMETHING!

[@pokejoseph]

MicrowaveGamer Should we do something?

[@ZION73082]

Wow theirs a reference 👍

[@JohnnyElRed]

Superman: "It's a pleasure to work with you again, Spiderman. But I can't shake the sensation we are forgetting something." Spiderman: "Don't worry. I'm sure it's nothing important." *meanwhile, down at Doom's underground base* Doom minion: "Wait, did these two really just really left, leaving the Hulk and Wonder Woman here?"

[@ianr.navahuber2195]

Alternative ending: Hulk and Wonder Woman wake up inside the tubes Wonder Woman (looks around): Ah not again! Oh, Hello Hulk Hulk: Hello Flashy woman. (looks around) Again? Wonder Woman: Yeah Again. It happened when we were helping the Fantastic Four alongside the Martian Manhunter, AND also the Avengers alongside the Justice Society of America, and again wiht Spiderman And Superman. We really should be prepared at this point Hulk. You want to break this first or I do it? Wonder Woman: Nah lets do it both at the count of 3

[@danielwilson8604]

Superman: are you sure? Spiderman: don't worry i have a system. whenever i need to remeber something i just tighten my ring..... huh, why do i have a wedding ring?

[@ianr.navahuber2195]

*Superman finds suddenly a photo in his suit's pockets* Superman: "I love you dad. With love Chris Kent". Who is Chris Kent? Spider-Man: Your suit has pockets?

[@pulsarstargrave256]

"MS. CARTER, MR. FERRIGNO--breaktime's over, you're wanted back on the set!"

[@alanticradio8203]

@@ianr.navahuber2195 Batman did you two leave Diana and hulk again Superman and Spider-Man: opps Batman: *sighs*

[@slashandbones13]

So Aquaman and Namor totally had a civil war at some point.

[@kemboi69]

I want to see this story now. A shame we probably never will but what can you do.

[@sarafontanini7051]

Aquaman: Your emthods are too extreme! Namor: Your methods are too soft! Black Manta: hey can I join this dicussion too? Aquaman & Namor: NO!!

[@Gyarretto7]

And no doubt it was the best Civil War we never had.

[@mdo7]

@@sarafontanini7051 This made me chuckle!!! 😂

[@gideon5386]

Cindy: Call me the next time your mommy gives you your allowance. Peter: My Mother is dead. Cindy: ... Peter: ...

[@sarafontanini7051]

Spiderman: *slaps cindy* MY PARENTS ARE DEEEEEAD!

[@Mauricekaip]

Cindy: oh just make a deal with the devil then.

[@alanticradio8203]

@@Mauricekaip doomyguy son I’m disappointed

[@ShanaReviews]

Personal theory regarding this shared universe: This comic and any that might share its universe is one where the heroes never faced a Crisis Event; No Secret Wars, No Civil War, No Crisis on Infinite Earths, etc. Each hero took care of their own city, would bump into each other in certain events, and the world was more peaceful

[@HiperPivociarz]

I miss the old comics. The overdramatic dialogue. The overdramatic narration. The colourful, weird art. Comic publishers actually working together.

[@jillmo6458]

It was more operatic back in the day. Now it's kinda flat or overly "modern" sometimes.

[@richardthorndike6608]

ah the Silver age, the days when Comic tropes were the all knowing elder scrolls for comic lovers and comics were actually were supposed to be gee I don't know...fun

[@Krendall2]

That last one is the true tragedy. Way too much greed among company higher-ups. Well, actually, it's a combination of greed and wanting to eliminate competition.

[@HiperPivociarz]

I love the idea that Doom records himswlf gloathing. That's such a Doom thing to do.

[@jillmo6458]

He's very Kanye-esque!

[@kevinhill8193]

And then he listens to them!

[@danielwilson8604]

and then he critiques them. as if a mere recording could compare to DOOM!

[@ethanbell6762]

I almost imagine him kidnapping someone and playing the recordings while trying to enact his plan

[@someone_one_one]

At least he didnt steal 40 cake!!! Thats as many as 4 tens!

[@SegaNintendoGuy64]

Linkara still makes a better Doctor Von Doom than in 2 movie versions.

[@antman1001000]

JamesTheBrony/JTB Linkara for Doctor Doom in an MCU Reboot of the Fantastic 4.

[@JeffreyPiatt]

My vote for mcu dr.doom would be Gary. Buicy

[@otakon17]

JamesTheBrony/JTB the costume alone!

[@nostalgicarchives9463]

Fan4stic sucked without a doubt, but is still find the Doom from the first two films to be entertaining

[@daltonwilliams1723]

I still kinda like doom from the first film honestly.

[@johnoneil9188]

Doom is like that kid at the playground who always runs to the swing set and insists on him not being able to be tagged when he touches it. And when somebody DOES tag him there he gets his mom involved.

[@requiem4ameme2]

John O ́neil “Doom’s Everything-Proof Shield protects Doom from your feeble attempts at tagging, pitiful do-gooder! You are rubber and Doom is glue!”

[@dprototype6431]

Doom's mom said it's Doom's turn on the Xbox.

[@vampman87]

J Jonah Jamison's had quite the character development post-One More Day. He had a heart attack, the Daily Bugle was sold to a tabloid mogul and became a gossip magazine, Jonah ran for mayor and won, using his new connections to try to capture Spidey, the physical building for the Daily Bugle was destroyed, his dad married Aunt May, he lost his wife in an attack by Alistair Smyth, but promised to put his hatred for Spidey aside and help him in any way he could (unfortunately Doc Ock took control of Spidey's body just a few months later), he got blackmailed by the Superior Spider-man, losing his job as the blackmail became public but somehow getting his position as publisher for the Daily Bugle back, he lost his dad to a heart disease, Spidey revealed himself to Jonah as Peter, showing him how they're still family and he trusts him, and after a few issues of dealing with this revelation, he's become arguably Spider-man's strongest supporter, even going back in time with Spidey and telling his younger self to go easy on Peter (who just started working for JJJ) since the kid will help him in more ways than he'll realize. JJJ has arguably had more character development in the past 10 years than he has had in 50 years of comics, where he was a proud, arrogant jerk but had a heart of gold and would always look out for his employees when they really needed it, and whose hatred of Spider-man was based entirely on being envious of him doing the right thing while seeking no reward.

[@nelsinki5177]

'''And aparently NY it's on constant danger of everything falling apart...'' Soo, regular comic books NY then.

[@zakfett92]

So it's Tuesday then.

[@SorowFame]

zakfett92 to you the day your city was on the verge of falling apart was the most important day in your life, but for the residents of New York City... It was Tuesday.

[@codenate02]

I like to imagine Superman shows up in New York and starts doing the job of literally every Marvel hero that lives in New York and they're all just angrily watching as he gets all the love

[@SgtTwilight]

Paraphrasing but I liked the James Rolfe quote about stuidos not making more crossovers "They don't make crossovers because they have to split profits. Guess what? Some money is more than no money"

[@Vollification]

18:17 Diplomatic Immunity plus the fact that Dr Doom is the leader of his country is carte blance for Doom to do whatever he wants until USA formally delclares war or expels the embassy.

[@CazTheGamerGuy]

18:40 If you attempt world domination over there, then that's fine. Over there need to take care of its own problems!

[@megamage911]

I was thinking the exact same xD

[@leephillips4402]

Caz that's like the whole philosophy of this fictional universe

[@BartmanBegins]

Frankly, while watching this video for the first time, I was surprised he didn't use the 'Over there' joke during that part.

[@LaZodiac]

Flaws aside, Doctor Doom's characterization here is super cool and it's kind of sad to see him betray Parasite even though they do have so much in common.

[@theblazingflareon830]

Doom on the last panel: "Can't catch me Superman! Home base!"

[@sarafontanini7051]

It's like Dr Mcninja except evil

[@RandomVideos66]

I had a dream some nights ago that I was with both the Avengers and the Justice League and we were fighting a gigantic robot centaur.

[@andrewgwilliam4831]

That wasn't a dream!

[@Gorvar100]

What power did you have?

[@RandomVideos66]

Gorvar The Dinoman The ability to control lightning.

[@Gorvar100]

Gary Matrix Good man! Mine are always lame in my dreams. Flight and super strength >.>

[@sarafontanini7051]

...I uh kinda randomly thought about Equius from homestuck in regards to the centaur. I have made mistakes.

[@plucas1]

I had this comic when I was a kid, and read it multiple times. And I have to disagree... I remember Spider-Man coming off looking much more heroic and interesting that Superman in the story. Maybe it was because they showed him having such a hard time, that you couldn't help feel for him. They placed him squarely as the story's focus, and probably most importantly, as its underdog. He's the one who went through a character arc--all his hard luck made him doubt himself and he wondered if he shoudl quit, but instead he rallies and decides to try and help anyway. And despite the other heroes' vast power, it was Spider-Man who made all the difference in the story. I especially remember the ending. Superman was holding the reactor core together, but only barely, and it was killing him and it was only a matter of time before he lost control and the thing exploded. It was all up to Spider-Man to rig a bypass for the safeties with technology he'd never seen before, with nothing but some bent wire as a tool. I remember loving that it wasn't Peter's powers that ultimately saved everyone, it was his scientific knowledge that he's learned as just old plain Peter Parker. It blew my little 13 year old mind. I guess there's a difference when reading these kind of stories as a kid and reading them as an adult. But even so, it really seemed to me like it was truly Peter Parker's story, and the other characters were just supporting characters in it.

[@ProfessorBalth]

Imagine if Doctor Doom and Lex Luthor teamed up.

[@jillmo6458]

No kidding! When they laugh together, the world shudders.

[@slifer875]

I don't think they would, lex sees himself as the ultimate made man, while that title belongs to doom, lex would feel jeslousy towards doom.

[@caaltaes732]

slifer875 more likely they would backstab each other at the same time and the heroes would be like WTF

[@ianr.navahuber2195]

I am sure Maybe Lex would see doom as "My only equal" or feel admiration towards doom. Considering Doom had it worse than lex when growing up

[@RabblesTheBinx]

Ian R. Nava Huber I imagine that Luthor and Doom would be a lot like Trump and Putin, with the former using the latter's resources to gain power. Luthor's a power-hungry sociopath, but he's nothing if not pragmatic. If he stands to personally profit from an alliance, he'll keep it going.

[@molberding5]

Aunt May being immortal would be an interesting take on One More Day. In addition to erasing their marriage, Mephisto makes May unable to die, but she's still a frail old lady, meaning Peter has to constantly take care of her medical bills. After all, the only thing worse than letting a loved one die is watching them live on in misery for the rest of your life.

[@Krendall2]

Ah, yes, the old "got immortality without eternal youth" issue.

[@mesektet5776]

He is DOOM, master of plot contrivances!

[@deltaprime3509]

Yes I totally agree, get over the pissing match marvel and dc and work together to bring crossovers back of the two companies between each other.

[@skibot9974]

I do wonder how much of the hostility I’d from them and how much is from their parent companies. I could belive it if Marvel and DC were open to it but Warner Bros and Disney werenr

[@AVGNROCKS1996]

"It felt like Spider-Man was playing second fiddle to Superman for most of the story until the end" I mean... isn't that kind of the point? Spider-Man is the average man of the story, trying to get by as well as he can, the down on his luck Superhero that tries his best to be the hero he wants to be... but is constantly held back by his insecurities and bad luck, while Superman is... Superman the OG hero, the man who has almost everything figured out about himself and has everything under control, his only problems (at least in the Silver Age) were related to how well he felt he could adjust to the world and whether or not his actions are for the good or bad of mankind, if he does too much. So it makes sense that in a crossover Spider-Man would look up to Superman as something he wishes he could be, as Superman is everything he wants to be, the hero that everyone adores and respects, who gets along with everyone and is the center of attention for most of the action. Spider-Man feeling like a bit player actually totally fits his character, as he is just the everyman in a larger world, not something Doom would even bother with because he isn't worth his time, until the very end where Spider-Man proves why he's such a great hero by being able to go against the odds against people he shouldn't be able to fight, and ultimately being the dude that saves the day. If anything it was the perfect Superman/Spider-Man crossover, as it what would actually happen if these two ever met. Spider-Man feeling inadequate compared to the larger than life Superman, while also being able to save Superman from the robot, the kryptonite, using his brains to stop the machine while Superman uses his muscles, and inadvertently saving the Parasites life with his powers, it actually has his being way more useful than the first crossover. I mean... complaining that Spider-Man feels like he isn't equal to Superman seems weird, especially since its how Spider-Man has always acted, being a second fiddle to some of the larger heroes but being crafty enough to find a way to win. So i think this crossover actually represented both characters pretty well. TL;DR: I don't feel that Spider-Man was misrepresented in this crossover, he felt completely in character in comparison to Superman. It felt like the best type of crossover with these two characters, from the character interactions from the Daily Bugle/Daily Planet staff, to the villains feeling like an actual threat to both characters, to the fact that both characters don't go the "We are heroes, we must fight" routine. But hey, that's just my opinion.

[@sebastiankrant2738]

You have a great point here and I agree. I think however that its a general problem if you team up characters that face so different situations - superman, the almost all powerfull god that either fights cosmic treats, machinations that cant be fought head on or just the general problem of beeing so powerfull, but cant help everyone - and spiderman the "normal" guy who is often head over heels in his own problems and constantly struggling with relativly simple stuff. Sure, you can have a nice character dynamic as explaine by you, but it also still makes the "lesser" hero seem inadequte. Essentially, every threat big enough for superman means that Spiderman has no chance whatsoever and is relegated to "get/free/call superman". This works better with batman rather with spiderman, because you can more easily relegate batman to non-combat duty and still see him contribute his full set of skills and strengths in equal measure given how he is very much about his knowledge, intellect and tons of different skills. Spiderman, while his intellect plays a core part, still is superstrong, has enhanced reflexes and so on. Those are more or less useless however against anything that wants to provide a threat for superman, so he "only" has his intelligence.

[@AVGNROCKS1996]

Yeah, but that's always been Spider-Man's problem. He's just a really strong and smart dude in a world that has Gods, rage monsters, super genius inventors, and sorcerers. But that doesn't make him useless, take Spider-Man vs Juggernaut, it only really happens because no other hero was there to help, but he still pulled through because of his resourcefulness. Same situation happened here, he managed to get the better of Wonder Woman (or at least prove a point) by being crafty. So stories like this can work, it's just you have to allow Spider-Man's ingenuity to shine rather than his strength.

[@sebastiankrant2738]

Sure, but in that case the problem becomes at which point you make the other person an idiot. Because Superman is very smart too. So the difference is rather minor. Sure, Spiderman is an actual genius but at this point there is always the threat of making for example Superman look like an idiot, just so Spiderman can look smart. Of course, this was back in an age where it wasnt that hard with Superman - in never iterations he would probably outsmarted Doom or would at least have been more carefull. But if we for example take Batman - here its no problem that he massivly outshines supes in the intelligence department. Its his entire point and you dont take something away from him. With Spiderman I always feel in stories like that that they would be better as a Spiderman story featuring superman rather than a crossover. This way the dynamicc is a bit odd, because you cant really feel for spiderman beeing the underdog, if you still want to persent a challenge for Superman because any such challenge is in general SO much stronger that Spiderman just has no chance. No matter how much ingenuity, Spiderman will never take on Galactus. So it works much better like here showing Spidermans status as an underdog with stuff like the Hulk. Spiderman having serious trouble and beeing at a massive dissadvantage with an enemy superman just swats away, as you said. The problem however is that its than hard to feel the stakes for superman. This could be solved by having superman not in focus but focussing purely on Spiderman and having Superman as a side character. We dont have to shift our persception of a threat as beeing massive for one but miniscule for the other and use Superman not as a perspective on is own but to add to spidermans perspective at feelin outmatched.

[@AJUniverse]

When did your Bulbasaur join Team Skull?

[@shadowldrago]

AJ Universe He really admires Guzma's work ethic.

[@ChronoTriggerHappy]

who doesnt want to get sweet skull swag? I'd join them for the rad outfits.

[@TheHeroOfTomorrow]

Team Skulbasaur.

[@pokejoseph]

Meanwhile I’m still awaiting a mention of the Mystery Dungeon Team Skull

[@TheAwakeOrangutang]

Linkara, I'm worried about the sort of people your Bulbasaur is hanging out with, they seem unsavory.

[@SegaNintendoGuy64]

25:36 I’M STILL A MAN! ‘Punch’ Ha ha classic Linkara.

[@RedJax69]

Ah, poor Parasite. It's ok buddy. You have a great personality and you are funny and smart. You just need to stop putting so much pressure on yourself. Just be you, man. You might not get Wonder Woman, but you will get the Right Woman.

[@jillmo6458]

I actually want that to happen now. :(

[@carlrood4457]

Given this is a crossover universe, he could leach power from Mystique, change into Burt Reynolds (it's 1981) and go get himself some action.

[@TheHeroOfTomorrow]

They actually used C3-D2 as a joke on The Simpsons--Ralph got his head stuck in a tuba and proclaimed that that was who he was.

[@RobinDJoker]

Okay, now they need to release the Doom Cut of Star Wars

[@tyrongkojy]

Sadly Marvel's cops have tended to shoot first and ask questions later, while Supes is bulletproof (and Metropolis cops are also less trigger happy than, say, Gotham cops), so there's less reason for Spidey (and early on Bats) to stick around.

[@AJUniverse]

Darnit Linkara, I need to be sleeping right now.

[@charlezard5579]

AJ Universe I’m surprised to see you here I love your videos

[@theNDinspector]

I love your Dr. Doom skits.

[@thomasrdiehl]

27:45 So, I looked it up in my copy. While it is pointless to send you a scan because it is in German, I can still relay what happens there. No, it is not supposed to repeat. We see three more panels, Doom leaving with Parasite (Parasite thinking of betraying Doom once he is powered up in a thought balloon), a reveal of Spider-Man overhearing the whole conversation through a hole in the roof, and Spider-Man deciding to leave the compound for now and get, in as many words, "PROPER help this time".

[@ChrissieBear]

Spiderman IS creepy. Imagine if you saw a man crawling down a wall silently with their head looking backwards at you.

[@jillmo6458]

That's one of the things I like about Paul Tobin's run on Marvel Adventures Spider-man. The art for the book enhanced Spidey's creepy factor. Tobin also wrote him to be a little more aggressive, though not overly so.

[@PrincessAshley972]

Who watches Linkara at 3am? This guy

[@thatonea-hole]

+Undertaker9711 *OH BOY 3 A.M.!!!!*

[@Batmanbeyyond]

Right here!

[@JaelinBezel]

I choose to believe that Lewis actually uploads at 6 or 7 pm or so, it's just that by the time the video FINISHES uploading, it's already 3 in the morning.

[@SegaNintendoGuy64]

And yet Linkara still doesn’t own both Marvel & DC.

[@zaccarpenter621]

you have to remember that was an alternate timeline

[@SegaNintendoGuy64]

zac carpenter Screw the timeline I have money.

[@zaccarpenter621]

easy there kaiba

[@Lightspeeds]

JamesTheBrony/JTB yeah but not enough to overcome wb and disney at the same time.

[@SegaNintendoGuy64]

Lightspeeds OK fair enough but do you know what references that was?

[@lynngreen7978]

28:08 In the late 70s/early 80s Supergirl lived in Manhattan. But strangely, in Superman Family, she never ran into the FF or Avengers.

[@constructivecriticism2568]

Superman, Spider-Man, AND the Hulk in one comic book!? I don’t need to read the rest of this, this is the best comic book in history. Edit: and now Peter’s getting coffee with Jimmy Olsen, goddamnit this is perfect!

[@ZipplyZane]

Your Vader voice for Doom was amazing, and I wish you'd used it throughout.

[@Rexaura888]

ZipplyZane I think it would have conflicted with how hammy/corny Lewis’s portrayal of Doom is, what with the duct tape mask and cloak over his hat. The Vader voice was good in context, but nothing more, least for me.

[@KevlarNinja]

I want a comic where Spider-Man remembers this, only he remembers it as Hyperion and not Superman.

[@mtbDAhkk]

Not even five minutes in and I'm already dying at the Braun Strowman joke. Bravo Linkara, Bravo.

[@omechron]

Man... people being mad about missing lunch dates and dentist appointments while the city crumbles around them was a lot less believable in 2018...

[@MicrowavedAlastair5390]

8:05 On my spleen, anxiety! In my lungs, nervous breakdowns! My eyes, OCD! My teeth, plaque!

[@shadowldrago]

Jeez, Doom is like a Shakespeare character.

[@jillmo6458]

Stan Lee loved Shakespeare and he wrote comics in a very elegant and operatic style; his Doom received an extra dose of it. It's never completely gone away, fortunately.

[@JaelinBezel]

Shakespeare's medium was the play, where there were no thought bubbles or caption boxes to convey to the audience a characters inner thoughts. I guess he thought as long as they were expositing, they may as well make it fun and had them do it OVERLY-DRAMATIC!

[@MsMaydayGoingDown]

Man, Spidey really lucked out in this comic didn't he? Really sucks considering I was looking forward to seeing how they could be handled equally but oh well I guess. Also, is it bad Linkara's Dr Doom voice is the voice I now hear in my head whenever I read a line from Doom in a comic I'm reading?

[@maakujiten3812]

BlueSpider it's better than the Vincent McMahon voice I have

[@lynngreen7978]

Maaku Jiten - "Doom proclaims that You're FIRED!"

[@otakon17]

BlueSpider I say nay, Linkaras Doom is the right amount of ham.

[@slifer875]

I hear either his MVC3 voice actor or his avengers:earth mighties heroes voice actor.

[@repulser93]

I always hear Dan Green. Because seriously, how has no one cast Dan Green as Doctor Doom?

[@TerryB01]

I like longer episodes like this one. Makes me think we get more plot progression.

[@henkman00]

Spider-man ''wowzers! a team up with Superman and Wonder Woman!'' Superman: ''sure, kid. try to keep up''

[@evandavid2816]

PS: Gotta love Spidey's thoughts at 23.45 when he first meets Wondy too: 'At least she recognises me! Figures! She used to live in New York! It's strange that we never ran into each other there! Oh well...it's a big town!' As perfect an example of simple crossover logic as I've ever seen, yes...?!

[@Mike_Dubo]

Doom: MY MACHINE WILL TURN ALL FOSSIL FUELS INTO SAND, THUS RENDERING THEM USELESS!!! [AOC wants to know your location]

[@helios5868]

"You've got a pretty creepy routine!" You routinely work with Batman, Plastic Man, The Phantom Stranger, and Raven! Get over yourself!

[@squeethemog213]

So many moments in this that made me laugh XD Thanks dude!

[@gallibon1319]

When I was this early, he was doing text reviews.

[@zakfett92]

Doom: "Foolish Superman! You cannot touch me... for I am OVER THERE!

[@game84cube]

About the Star Wars thing: Spidey is very behind the times. He most likely forgets the names, but Vader is a very well known figure, even to non-Star Wars fans

[@awesomeperson531]

Love your doom

[@Artista_Frustrado]

that's an awesome thing about Dr.Doom that really bothers me or the movies insisting on ignore: He's a King with diplomatic immunity! even if you stop his current plans he's unstoppable in the grand scheme of things unlike any other villain that can be arrested AND he has an entire nation ready to back him up anyways

[@otakon17]

artistafrustrado Plus, Doom is smart enough to have backups. He's a friggin' super genius.

[@jillmo6458]

Yeah, that's what's great about a villain like Doom. Even if he loses he just goes back to....his giant castle in his very own country to a population that has been raised to worship him.

[@sebastiankrant2738]

Thing is, that doesnt really work. Sure, with SOME plans it might work. But not with world domination. He is essentialyl declaring war on the rest of the world. If he would just do stuff like damage a city or try to take out individuals, sure, he would be allowed to return and probably had to pay a fee or be sanctioned and be done with it. But he has multiple times conducted actions that were essentially war. Saying he could just say "diplomatic immunity" would be like claiming the Nazi spies in captain americas comics could just have claimed "diplomatic immunity" and be done with it.

[@slifer875]

1 The movies completly butcher his characters because: 1 they portray him as less smart than richards, while in canon doom is his equal or superior, the whole point of both characters is that the smallest INPLICATION that someone MIGHT be as good as him drives doom insane, and that richards wins against doom because he has his family and doom's alone. 2 they ignore he is the second best magic user in the marvel universe (sometimes as good as doctor strange) hell they want to ignore he knows magic at all, when that is one of the thing that makes doom special above all characters, he masters both science and magic and combines both into something new. 3 he is jobber to the good guys and a punching bag to the F4 in the movies, when in canon the F4 has never defeated doom, doom can easily fight an entire team or the entirity of the marvel heroes in earth by himself, the only adaptation that got this right was the earth mighties heroes animate series.

[@caaltaes732]

slifer875 dude in movies if is not fucking Harry potter they want nothing about magic

[@chaotixninja5]

Linkara's right. There are plenty of Superheroes in New York, including Batman if you're willing to count Gotham. Kinda makes me wonder if we're ever going to get a Ninja Turtles/Spawn crossover.

[@jfdrac]

Gotham and NYC are seperate cities in DC though

[@HiperPivociarz]

13:55 It's almost like invading a planet, threatning and forcing people you don't like to fight to the death just to get payback at them is totally evil or something.

[@DarkPaladin300]

Oh HELL yeah, I loved this comic when I was a kid!

[@shadowspider9]

I seriously never understood why Peter stays at The Daily Bugle. I get he owes Jonah for giving him his break, but he has admitted time and time again he could make WAY more money working at any other paper or news organization. Unless Jonah has enough pull to blackball Peter from any other media outlet he should have quit decades ago. It feels like one of the biggest examples of, status quo must be maintained even when it makes absolutely no seance what so ever.

[@SpedeVesku]

That's one of the many reasons why JMS' run on Spider-Man was *so* good. He made Peter a teacher, which gave him an actual job and much needed character development, and opened the door for new story possibilities.

[@shadowspider9]

Yep. I also actually was a fan of Slott making Peter an actual scientist. That also gave his good development and opened new story possibilities of making him more tech oriented. He just took it way to far by having Peter become a Tony Stark lite philanthropist.

[@jfdrac]

Braun Strowman is a wrestling reference I never.....EVER...expected Linkara to make

[@MLP-Trinary]

So Doctor Doom is really Stoop Kid from Hey Arnold?! Also, how great would it have been if we could've had Doctor Doom announce that in Latveria (and its embassies) "I AM THE LAW!"

[@mathieuleader8601]

JUDGE DOOM

[@garrettcarter2959]

At first I questioned why they had Doctor Doom as Spider-Man's foil, but then I remembered how much fun Doom is as a villain and all was forgiven.

[@ultramango1337]

19:35 Superman is working in New York. Stopping planes from crashing. Heh.

[@jagarcia0705]

How's this for a crossover? The Avengers meet StarTrek: The Next Generation. At the end of the comic Adam Warlock, The Silver Surfer, The Living Tribunal & Eternity are having a meeting on why everything is happening the way it is. Somebody off panel says "mind if we join this meeting of yours". Its Q, along with other Q's.

[@Mara999]

Isn't Spidey more or less a sidekick in most crossovers he's been in, even with the Avengers?

[@saulodoamordivino]

This comic is weirdly well written for a random cheap "Yeah, whatever crossover thingy".

[@Regenmacher175]

Let's face it, Doom keeps the mask on to prevent anyone from knowing that he's got a receding hairline.

[@OnDavidsBrain]

28:25 I know just the one, SPOOOOOOOOOOOON!

[@Drakeo83]

Braun Strowman joke A full episode of Linkara's Doctor Doom bit Yes! This episode delivers! 😊😊😊👍👍👍❤❤❤

[@AROBASPARK]

You know, everytime Linkara does that "I am a Man" punch to the side, I always expect he would bring out a super secret never before release edition of Marville or something far more worst to review:D

[@TennantJunkie1993]

I never would've realized that Jameson was the equivalent of an abusive domestic partner. I bit into the pomegranite and my eyes were opened.

[@ilvpowerrangers]

2:05 that was freaking funny 10:46 that was a good call back, all the Doctor Doom scenes were great. 25:35 I'M STILL A MAN!!!!!!! That was great also since you brought up Con Bravo I'd like to see you at one of the one's I go to.

[@Valdagast]

I mean, Latveria _is_ "over there."

[@crithon]

I think the Steve Lombard stuff is an fun call back plus also add to "Spidey gets no respect" which is a staple to his character.

[@wdcain1]

I miss big boisterous speeches and grand plans by comic villains. Today's comics want more "normal" and whenever a baddie does do this now it's always followered someone asking "why are you talking like that?" That really bugs me.

[@sebastiankrant2738]

I think it just doesnt fit with a lot of modern styles anymore. We dont have cheesy bond-villains anymore and while I do like that Bond took that direction as I dont think a Roger-Moore-Bond would work today without coming of as laughable, it of course also meant the end of boisterous speeches. Plus, villains have been defeated by those tons of times. Thats the problem with clischees - sure, in universe some villain giving a speech might be something unique and special but out of it we know the clischee and it is just that - a clischee. This becomes worse in stories that are set in our time - if your villain is an archetypical bond-villain one has to wonder "dont they know archetypical bond vilains in the universe and how that works?". Add to that that over time we started questioning movies a lot more. So archetypical villain behaviour makes the villain look like an idiot. If a villain today would just leave the captives in a deathtrap and walk away for no reason he is stupid. I for one however love the parodies of it.

[@wdcain1]

That's the thing, the bond-villain cliches are still in full force today but their dialogue has completely changed. They're still robbing banks and the usual stuff but now writers have to handle things either tongue in cheek or by pointing out all the usual tropes and pointing out tropes isn't good writing. It's how you use the tropes that's the mark of a good writer.

[@sebastiankrant2738]

Firstly, I do think that the clischees have been dialed down. Classical death-traps, laser-cutters, big monologues... are only done when it fits the character. And quite frankly, robbing banks has nothing to do with boisterous talking - it would just be ridicolous if someone like Captain Cold would rob a bank and than give some great speech about him. Sure, it would work for parody and fun, but it wouldnt make him an intimidating villain. Also, parody is not about pointing out tropes, but making fun of them in intelligent ways. And its that that makes it good. The thing is, I dont think in the modern age such speeches can work well. If they arent meant in a funny way, they make the villain look like a douchebag with an addiction to express himself. Sure, if thats part of the villain, ok, but that doesnt make him intimidating or scary. If its a serious villain he needs to back up the claims. And in those cases "talk softly and carry a big stick" always works better for intimidating villains. "Darkseid is." in the right context conveys more power and strength than 100 speeches. And this is why I dont think those speeches "went away". Older comics and films (see James Bond for excellent examples) were just far less serious. It was not believed that comics could be serious. As such, over the top villains that exclaimed their names didnt destroy the tension and seriousness of the situation, because the situation wasnt meant to be serious.

[@wdcain1]

But it doesn't feel like the classic form has been dialed down. Rather it's like the style of modern super-hero comics thinks its above the "old" way which it deems an embarrassment. Plus I notice several other things have changed in the writing/drawing of super-hero comics in the last decade (way too many to list here). One of the biggest in terms of plot is how most big name hero comics don't really gel the plots well. A more simpler way of saying this is, we'd see the hero's personality in how they'd handle the villain and stop the crimes they're committing with action and dialogue. Now it's more typical for the super-hero stuff to be very bland, almost a second thought, with the hero's personality being exposed to the reader in regular day to day situations. Marvel is really bad about this right now.

[@IyouUnforgiven]

Dr Doom is a holocaust denier? Hope he doesn’t say that to magneto

[@JohnnyElRed]

The thing is, aside from WWH, the only instances were the Hulk has gone to a highly populated city by his own will, and not because he was Banner and then transformed in the city, were usually to get people... to help other people. I remember it happened twice with Dr. Strange, with Hulk looking for him to help Namor, and then later Jarella. And also something very telling about the Hulk is that when he enters a city, the only damages provoqued is the shattered concrete beneath his feet... right until a supervillain attacks him, or a scared cop shoots him. That's the thing about the Hulk: if people wasn't scared of him and let him be... he could stroll perfectly through the middle of New York without hurting a fly.

[@adventarchivist5789]

Atop the Fourth Wall, part of a ballanced breakfast!!

[@MrMovieMaker116]

DC and Marvel NEED crossovers between the two! These old comics convince me even more so.

[@jfdrac]

Dc and Marvel probably would....its Disney and Warner who wont play nice

[@michaelk8860]

Linkara, your Dr. Doom is one of my favorite - and in my opinion - funniest characters. Through all the episodes that feature your impression, I have never not laughed.

[@gtsgreatteacherscathach5550]

Doom sure loves to monologue a lot must really love the sound of his own voice.

[@spigui500]

Linkara's Dr. Doom impression is just beyond hilarious 😂😂😂

[@doctorhandsome]

"Pathetic heroes! Doom is on gool!"

[@PrivateEye10]

You forgot to say "Lets dig into Superman and Spider-Man... Yeah, he is not amazing in this one..."

[@DonaldRilea]

"Hatred to the right of me, bitterness to the left! Stuck in the middle with you!!!"

[@glowstickofdestiny1290]

Doom skits AND an "I am a man" punch in one episode? You spoil us, sir.

[@docette2015]

*snork* I always love seeing your Doom come out. XD And yeah, I totally agree with you on the crossover -- this is basically a Superman vehicle that Spidey just happens to be in. Some more balance between the characters getting to do stuff would have been much appreciated. (Makes you wonder why it took DC so long to approve it, since it showed off their characters in such a great light.)

[@cassiedevereaux-smith3890]

Wonder Woman: "Sorry, Spider-Man, but your spider theme is creepy. Now if you'll excuse me, I have a betamax tape to return to Batman."

[@tjknight]

Clark's plan to get out of the meeting was actually pretty clever

[@tjknight]

Also Doom's plan reveal is less trope and more character driven. A moment of weakness as he relates to Parasite

[@shmee123ful]

I feel the Titans as well as any super hero could probably get away with fighting dark side as he's kind of everyone's Villan. Same goes for Thanos, question. didn't thanos start as a spidy villain? I think some one told me that but I'm not sure how trust worthy that statement is

[@That_One_Guy-.]

alaster boneman if I remember correctly Thanos first appearance was in an Ironman comic.

[@shmee123ful]

oh, my mistake. thanks for correcting me

[@jfdrac]

@@shmee123ful Yeah he did have a memorable encounter during the Todd Macfarlane run of Spidey but that is it

[@Transbian]

How many weeks do you work ahead? You have so much editing every week it’s completely herculean that you keep producing a video every week. You’re an inspiration.

[@AT4W]

Aside from side projects, I DON'T work ahead. ^^; The reason videos haven't been coming out on time (Monday 4 PM Central) is because I'm doing them week by week. But thanks! =)

[@Transbian]

Linkara-AtopTheFourthWall yes many people don’t understand how hard it is to “do what you love for a living “ Especially when sometimes you don’t know what you love anymore. 😀 just keep up the good work. Also great Brawny the Stougman joke.

[@IzzuZiq]

Idk why but I had the most random thought of "What if the moment OMD gets reversed, DC and Marvel suddenly start making crossovers again?" Also if I'm not mistaken, the universe this book takes place in particular had an actual designation right?

[@mitkitty]

Man, Jimmy Olsen is trying REALLY HARD to get a date with Peter, but the guy is so oblivious. Poor Jimmy...

[@LordQuadros]

Why is Superman working in New York? New York is *over there*.

[@JuanLeon-oe6xe]

"Ha, DOOM can not be harmed by Superman, because Latverian soil is technically "over there" for Superman. DOOM'S PLAN IS UNSTOPPABLE!"

[@JuanLeon-oe6xe]

Also, Wondy, Diana,.... YOU'RE FRIENDS WITH THE MOTHERFUCKING BATMAN! YOU'RE IN NO POSITION TO COMPLAIN!

[@thomaspalazzolo5902]

Imagine being the dude whose job is "Doom Transcriptions." Just how generous with [said gloriously] and [dramatic gesture] would you be?

[@arlequinelunaire418]

Since he was brought up, Elvis Costello's 'Veronica' came out in 1989, so about eight years after this comic (not complaining, just filling in). Maybe 'Alison' would've been a better name? I grew up listening to an Elvis Costello Greatest Hits collection my parents had... which weirdly didn't have 'Veronica' on it