Superman Loses His Humanity - Injustice

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[@emilioluisacosta6247]

Why on earth are they making such a big fuss about killing Parademons who aren't even sentient human beings?

[@jester994]

Forced narrative for a story arc written poorly. Most "what if superman was evil" stories are short but editorial wanted a running storyverse and the writers could not or did not have the ability to do it appropriately. "Injustice" shouldn't be taken seriously, just enjoy the craziness.

[@emilioluisacosta6247]

@@jester994 yea, because I know in the original comics, they KILLED the parademons just like in the first Avengers where they killed the chitauri.

[@rdrb8329]

Im guessing the trigger point fr batman in this scenario was supes killing kalibek

[@otakurocklee]

Bad writing. Really bad.

[@MichaelDG2023]

Bad writing...ALSO the Parademons were originally conquered peoples warped into their present forms and enslaved by Darkseid, so if anything this is an act of mercy

[@elocfreidon]

"When you kill a murderer, you don't change the number of murderer's in the world." - Batman Until you kill another.

[@LaloSalamancaGaming69]

The numbers of murderers if the world stays the same But the number of death innocent people gets down

[@Cmoth040]

That statement by Batman could only have been written by an idealistic dipshit with no actual understanding of humanity. If you kill a murderer in self-defense it isn't murder, it's an expression of your own right to exist versus someone else trying to deny you that. That quote is the most moronic shit in comic books.

[@silviafox78]

@@Cmoth040 - I think batman can somewhat justify that statement in a personal way as long as he can find a way to stop a murderer without killing them. Basically, for Batman it's only "Murder" (without self defense) if you are capable of taking a different path but choose to kill the threat when you can easily capture/stop the threat without killing.

[@Cmoth040]

@@silviafox78 I understand the logical premise, but if memory serves, the context in the comic book the quote is from didn't intend that meaning. It's the killing, regardless of circumstances that was called murder.

[@user-ge6uk3ll6p]

exactly. That's why i prefer murderer Punisher over a heroic Batman. He would've shot Joker right between the eyes on their first meeting, and that, in turn, would've saved f*ckton of innocent people

[@mj6258]

Hard to see Batman as sane or logical when he say's "No" to Clark for killing demons that would of ultimately slaughtered thousands of people. What , does he think it is better to just "keep fighting" where the casualty numbers would be catastrophic and many of the heroes would of probably lost their own lives too? The whole never kill regardless of circumstances is just silly at this point.

[@FernandoComicsOfficial]

Totally agreed. It just so happens that Superman was in such a mindset where this made killing easier for him, but there's plenty of heroes who kill and don't spin down a rabbit hole of murder. 🌩 🔨 🌩 for example lol

[@mj6258]

@@FernandoComicsOfficial Exactly bro. Hope all is well my friend. 👍

[@FernandoComicsOfficial]

@@mj6258 same to you my friend !

[@movienaut]

The problem may not be the no killing thing rule. The main problem is the way Superman handled it. Because lets remember that this is the Superman that is in a traumatic state were in this universe, his wife Lois and their unborn child was killed by Superman, in a big trick arranged by Joker. Superman has allways fought without the necessary to kill, because he believes in humanity. But Joker proved to him that there are great consequenses by allways following this rule and by killing of Lois, the unborn child and at the same time destroying Metropolis, Joker did something to Supermans mind that no other villain, including Luthor, Darkseid and Zod ever did. He broked him! During the Injustice arc we've seen Supes do really shocking stuff and for Batman, he hoped Superman would somehow go back to the boy scout he was earlier. But when Supes does something on a scale like that, he litteraly wiped out an invasion in a matter of seconds. That means Supes opened another door into more agression, insanity and allowing himself to kill without thinking. The classical supes would do this also, but he would then be in remorse and cry for the act he did, but at least Bats and Lois would be there for him. When Batman said "no", he knew that Injustice Supes would not remorse. Thats the big problem. He would not be any different than from Zod or Bizarro!

[@lweaver2988]

look at the aftermath of this though, this was the first step towards the regime, murdering shazam, torturing batman.

[@yuansoberano7158]

Batman: **Breaks arm of a lowlife bank robber who’s just trying to get the money to buy his child some Christmas presents** Also Batman: **Sparing extraterrestrial bio-weapons who don’t know anything other than chaos*

[@mrruan663]

Its like batman doesn't kill a ant even by accident XD

[@filledvoid]

That "lowlife bank robber" has the strength to work honestly, and also, buying xmas presents for his kids isn't a necessity. What a bad comparison.

[@aziremperorofthesands6369]

@@filledvoid so you are saying in this case he was right to permanently damage a guy that needed fast money but couldn't get it through honest work? this guy made a joke. But in reality, if someone has a sick child it usually costs heaps of money to medicate them. if you cant get that kind of money through honest work, then what remains? in the mean time, parademons are bio weapons without sentience. and batman didn't want superman to kill them? there have been other versions of superman that killed. Superman at some point killed a whole army of doomsdays with a single heatvision.

[@lolstalgic9602]

@@aziremperorofthesands6369 I’d more or less blame DC’s vague writing. They almost never make it clear on what constitutes as “killing”

[@aziremperorofthesands6369]

@@lolstalgic9602 its not vague. the only problem is that they use the whole "no killing" thing as a main plot. that tends to make the story weird as a rule like that is not very easy to follow neither does it make sense. i mean, in the movies sups killed general zod but he didn't become some maniac murdrer who made a regime and started killing kids who disagreed with him turning 2 cities to dust. if you use something like "no killing" as a main plot, you either need to be very strict on it or be like a normal person. we all have that same no killing rule but we don't go around thinking "oh man, if my loved once were killed i would never kill the murderer". batman would also never say something like that. it would be better writing if we were told that batman is a murderer that is holding himself back. and that if he ever got started he would never be able to stop. and that was the reason why he was so against it all. and you could make ww the main antagonist by making her enable sups. and then you have 2 sides at war for injustice. but now its one massive shit show where batman is against killing any and all things but has no problem giving random people permanent brain injuries just for doing their jobs. and ww is the most inconsistent cuz at some points she acts as if she is against sups while at other points she is totally fine with him killing billy or flattening whole cities. its inconsistan with the plot and the reasoning behind it all.

[@zacharygroysman279]

That conversation between him and Flash was perfect

[@AnakinFury]

Well yeah. I suppose some cases ending it is fine to prevent risks, but just don't, you know, make it your go-to solution for *everything*

[@mikeallan5105]

@@bobdylan1968 except they explored this in a recent arc. Batman not killing his rogues gallery is what allowed them to give up when they were cornered, because they know that the batman does not kill and that they could live to fight another day. The second that prospect goes out the window is when the villains no longer have a guaranteed out, and thats when all bets are off for everyone.

[@zerotohero884]

@@mikeallan5105 Just look at Joke, he aways surrender himself if he can't escape, the sense of impunity is clear, even the Penguin goes for that way and the Penguin is't that much of a villain, hes more like a mafia boss, he kill for things what he want, not things what he need. The Only villains who i praise a little for no option is Cheetah ,Croc and Kite-Man, they don't fit in any place, even as heroes, but the rest?, they are really problematic.

[@Tywil714]

I really dont see the moral delimma the parademons are just an army of mindless drones who obey darkside and were gonna kill countless innocent civilians this was one of the times in injustice it was either kill them all quickly or just let them kill just so batman and the rest can keep their hands clean which is stupid

[@user-lj2cb2pj8j]

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[@floatedash2899]

“What is better - To be born good, or to overcome your evil nature through great effort?” - Paarthurnax (Skyrim)

[@psychoticdaizyproductions569]

@Иосиф Виссарионович Сталин being born good is what led superman to this morale dilemma hes on. That he can't seem to meet a middle ground for.

[@psychoticdaizyproductions569]

@Иосиф Виссарионович Сталин vegeta might have blown up planets but thinks of how many he saves and intends to keep safe as time went on. While always holding an ideology that will see his enemy dead to prevent further loss of life.

[@psychoticdaizyproductions569]

@Иосиф Виссарионович Сталин ... story writing in a nutshell mr cynic. If you really wanna feel that way about writing that practically every writer shares that sounds like a personal problem. My point is hes become something far more useful than anyone who was born good. Kinda like the other awesome quote, You either die a hero or live long enough to become a villain. Evidently the same is vise versa. You either die a villain, or live long enough to see yourself become a hero. In both cases, its up to the individual whether they'd like to keep the change of heart or not. Humility is the hardest lesson life throws at anyone. Let's think of other Vegetas... Shadow... Lex Luthor... Vergil... magneto...deadpool... Arthur Morgan and John Marston... Red Hood... Harley Quinn... dude these are just the ones I think of right off the bat. My point is none were born good, all as heroes (depending on your definition of hero) held a ideology that took them places a born hero would never be strong enough to go. The gray.

[@Christs_Apologet]

The second ofc then u might never go back to being evil

[@vrumiz]

i prefer the second

[@marvenscharles7469]

"If you're not prepared to take a life then you can't possibly fight a war" "You'd rather spare the lives of your enemies than save the live sof your people" these... these right there.

[@z-man1237]

Definitely. At this point the “whole self righteous moral high ground” the dc heroes try to maintain is just stupid and just unrealistic to me. Hence why I’m more interested in *Invincible* than DC

[@muinoel3335]

@@z-man1237,yep,even Mark accepted to killing villains when he was pushed enough and suffered no ill effects from it -which was becuz he had people like Eve to free him from his conscience.Most of the alternate dimensions in Invincible were linked to Eve dying,causing Mark to lose it.So,basically,killing is ok as long as u have someone WHO ISNT EVIL to comfort u👍🏻

[@z-man1237]

@@muinoel3335 Agreed. I now prefer heroes who take a more realistic “do what needs to be done to protect the world/people” approach. Kinda like a soldier/warrior mentality.

[@NarratorII]

@@z-man1237 honestly the only two dc heroes that shouldn’t kill are Superman and Batman (Batman is in a terrible mental condition usually.) and Superman is literally the hope of earth, he falls to a low where he just kills his enemies instead of giving them a second chance then people start also following his footsteps. Besides that I don’t really understand why other dc heroes just don’t like killing. Even Batman allowed other people in dc to kill aslong as they were in a good mental condition (unlike Superman here). And yeah invincible is more realistic tbh.

[@lapplandkun9273]

@@z-man1237 Im honestly more "Red Hood". He got the right idea. Kill criminals, but have limitations on who to kill, but also protect the lives of innocents

[@matabromas6677]

Cómic: he kill parademons!!! Thats bad!!! Movie: *Batman start shooting the beasts*

[@loverofripandtear6578]

Ahahahahahaahqhqhahahahahahahah

[@joaolucasnascimentoleite2831]

hahahahahahahahahahahaha

[@nobodyknowsforsure]

I've never seen an instance where killing parademons was wrong - even the animated series have that, they're expendable monsters.

[@nobodyknowsforsure]

@John Gona they're more or less already dead - just converted bio-matter. It's never been an issue in the past killing parademons even in the animated series.

[@jdjacobo3594]

He was just kneecapping 'em. It's fine. Lol

[@g1_prime956]

Batman wasnt saying "Clark...no..." for the action of killing the parademons, but the consequence it had on his best friend, he knew from this moment on that superman was to far gone

[@thefingerlessguy4423]

Either way no was ment for both those meanings

[@thesynergy2]

Which is honestly the dumbest shit ever. Apparently killing to save lives makes you evil? DC can fuck off with this terrible forced drama.

[@thecrownprince888]

@@thesynergy2 it’s very unrealistic, Batman needs to grow the fuck up.

[@ClareAmel]

@@thesynergy2 How about we talk about the lives he killed afterward. Supesimps all over this video but ignore the countless others where he does shit like order a serial killer to murder Alfred

[@psychoticdaizyproductions569]

It was this moment that Walt became Heisenburg

[@potato31415]

Did he just wipe out every Parademon on the face of the Earth in mere moments? That's some incredible speed...

[@AdamPoniatowski]

and its funny that with that kind of speed, there was no collateral damage... a human sized mass, hitting an object at the speed of light (possibly faster here), would surely cause massive explosions (megaton range?). Omniman flying through a city like he did, is a fantastic example

[@TSEDLE333]

@@AdamPoniatowski he is using his heat vision to vaporize the parademons...but yeah...he 'moving' at that speed should've created those shock waves that would kill a lot of the people he saved from the parademons...

[@theodorosthethotsbane6554]

@@AdamPoniatowski just going faster than the speed of light would involve some crazy space-time implications. There is no magic involved here and superman doesn't have any space manipulating abilities so his physical mass still follows the laws of reality

[@AdamPoniatowski]

@@theodorosthethotsbane6554 I wouldn't be surprised it wouldn't. The same when the first A-bomb went off... people were fearing for their lives, that it'll destroy the world. .the LHC, will kill us all by creating a blackhole... so chances are, it won't have any implications... but the power required will be unfathomable... unless a shortcut can be found (think A-bomb to H-bomb)

[@typeouetco1626]

almost definitively not everywhere around the earth, superman is only "the closest you can get to light speed" after all, only a flash would be able to do something like that.

[@ReapersLove69]

sometimes batmans wrong, and in this scenario superman was right

[@araw540]

but so begins the slippery slope justification of Security overshadowing justice and Freedom and within 4 years a Full on Global dictatorship ruled with Superman's Steel fist

[@youknowwho257]

Weirdly enoug less people died on earth during that time than ever before, the problem was the, hmmm, "management" ?... If humans want to kill themselves... let them figure it out for themselves.. If aliens came to kill people, kill the damn aliens and basicaly that's should be all, but the writers had to manipulate facts to fit into their narrative so they could create a history, dumb history i must include, injustice was just a "look at me playing as a god", but not from the comic characters... In the end, injustice was more of an attempt at indoctrination than a comic story, so at least for me it was one of the worst stories I've ever read in my life.

[@sumairshirazi]

Agreed

[@AndroidNoir-L06k]

batman always have something wrong, they just hide it behind his moral code. In a war or battle, someone always has to die.

[@kryptonian313rd]

Take notes Homelander. Y'all gone learn about Supe

[@kryptonian313rd]

@John Gona 🤔🤔

[@kryptonian313rd]

@John Gona what you mean? Are you talking bout Black Noir?

[@propaty7787]

@@kryptonian313rd yup he is talking about him

[@kryptonian313rd]

@@propaty7787 I kinda figured that

[@jonathanathor117]

@@kryptonian313rd the inside out oreo

[@michaeld7617]

Now, Superman was able to move fast enough so time virtually stood still, and they say Batman could beat him...SMH

[@aishitekurenai2041]

But , .. Prep Time -probably Batman Fans

[@TSEDLE333]

@@aishitekurenai2041 yep....this explains the soul of that fallacy...

[@Cushla-np4pt]

“I’m gonna shoot you with a kryptonite bullet!” “Oh that thing I dodge?”

[@jonathanathor117]

That the thing about plot. It's a bitch.

[@LaloSalamancaGaming69]

@@Cushla-np4pt that conversation could be really badass

[@superkryptonian4506]

2:52, this was the moment, Kalibak knew, he fu....

[@mbc777]

he fucked up

[@joaolucasnascimentoleite2831]

he fucked up BAD

[@zeusraptis5834]

Is he dead? Because he is inmortal right?

[@themammoth9051]

@@zeusraptis5834 He’s dead. Darkseid confirmed it when he confronted Superman.

[@zeusraptis5834]

@@themammoth9051 so now Superman can easily hakai an inmortal god?

[@TheDakkaman]

“You can think faster than anyone else on the planet. Is there a way to save as many lives?” “...No.” And with that, nobody gets to complain about this sequence.

[@davidtucker9498]

That's the problem with Superheroes in concept. Batman essentially functions as a cop. He fights crime. He works outside the law, but he fights and stops criminals. Yes, there is the whole mental instability where he fears what he will do if he kills, but often less talked about is the moral dilemma of Bruce doesn't have the RIGHT to decide who lives and dies on an individual basis. Society determines punishment for criminals, not Batman. ...but this isn't "crime". This is an alien INVASION. This is a WAR. In this context, Superheroes are NOT cops, they are soldiers, and holding back, refusing to kill enemy combatants who are targeting civilians, is just insane... Joker not being executed and somehow getting a nuke are not a failure of Batman, it is a failure on society's part to put a monster six feet under the ground and keep him there...

[@monk3110]

@@davidtucker9498 that’s a great way to describe Batman’s no kill rule

[@dirdib69]

Agree. Every fall of a good man begins with a single act, but it isn't where the man just does something bad without reason. Clark had a good reason to do what he did, but it opened the door to that option. Yes, this was a progression, a legitimate one.

[@williamb.j.blaskowicz.5664]

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[@williamb.j.blaskowicz.5664]

@@davidtucker9498 *TRULY,TRULY ALL ABSOLUTELY BEYOND UNIMAGINABLY UNIMAGINABLE TRANSCENDENT TRANSCENDENTAL TRANSCENDING BOUNDLESSNESS LEVELS OF AMAZINGLY AMAZING AMAZINGNESS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!*- JAEDEN ABNER D'SA.* *THE SPARTAN 2 AUGMENTATION PROGRAM.-FANDOM APP WIKI.* *Any time in history that an advanced civilization has met a more primitive civilization, it didn’t work out very well for the primitive civilization.* *I second this. As someone who also studied in a Jesuit University, it’s not surprising to see jesuit priests who have earned PhDs in Physics, Math, Sociology, etc. Many Jesuits were composers, psychologists, and lawyers. The guys who built our university even built an observatory in campus cause they were physics nerds.* *Most of us has this caricature of a priest in our minds. A very limited view on what the role means. But jesuits are a different kind of priests and they harness your talent precisely because it was given by God. They are professionals in their own fields but they’re also priests.* *I see what you're getting at but you're kinda misunderstanding the point of the butterfly effect.* *A tiny change can have far reaching consequences that wouldn't have been the same otherwise, but it is IMPOSSIBLE to know what those consequences could be because there are far too many variables and the potential changes just multiply as time goes by. In fiction it's usually shown as bad because that's more interesting. Someone steps on a butterfly and it causes massive destruction in the present. Except maybe instead someone steps on a butterfly 100 million years ago (did butterflies exist that long ago?) and it causes a mutation so that parsley ends up being the cure for cancer.* *If you plant that tree then it's very likely (especially assuming the tree doesn't die quickly to drought or something) that the world may be very different from one where you didn't plant that tree. 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[@alphasusan5368]

My guy covered the whole planet precisely killing just what needs to be killed in a couple seconds. And some still think Batman can beat him

[@TheOne-oo6fq]

Ikr😂

[@theoutspokentheorist9578]

This is a Superman who would kill Batman instantly for standing in his way. Not exactly the same scenario. A good example for Batman would be the Doomsday animated movie. Doomsday lands. Batman tries for a solid 45 or so seconds of screen time to kill it, systematically throwing out every single tool he has, gets his ass kicked. Because ultimately he's just a dude in a suit. The reason he can beat Superman is because it's *our* Superman. He can prepare for that. He knows how that Superman works and operates. The thing that puts them on equal ground isn't raw power- it's Batman's ability to plan ahead and access to a potentially limitless amount of resources because of his wealth. Give Batman a good month or so to set up? Sure. Show up out of the blue and start swinging? Not so much.

[@Gehan01]

@@theoutspokentheorist9578 no amount of apologetics explains away Superman heat visioning Batman's brain from Pluto or dropping a moon on the bat cave. As Doctor Manhattan said, the smartest man in the world poses no more threat to Supes than does its smartest termite.

[@ragetiming9731]

@@Gehan01 damn that’s overkill😭😂

[@PeachDragon_]

Batman has killed superman multiple times, if he has the element of surprise he can do it, look at the Batman who laughs. But if superman knows that batman is the enemy then no chance.

[@killian9314]

3:24 i'm on board with supes killing him, but clark literally punched him into a passenger plane. Wtf clark

[@raghs3889]

he realized it and called WW for that...however it is still a mistake he should've punched him some where else...

[@alphahyperion5831]

Kalibak proclaims himself a GOD and taunts Superman with his power but Superman gave him a GLIMPSE of what a TRUE GOD'S power is. AWESOME!!!!!! I love this version of Kal-El !

[@emmanuelmorningstar976]

Superman is easily complex multiversal to hyperversal at best bro even darkseid acknowledge superman true powers

[@smal750]

​@@emmanuelmorningstar976 superman is high outer

[@silvergiovanni5336]

I remember reading this years ago The moment I got in the panel where Kalibak said " OH SHIT" Had me laughing for minutes before flipping on the next page My smile reached ear to ear while giggling and saying " Oh man, You're dead, You are sooooo DEAD "

[@TheMightySilverback_]

8:57 might be my favourite panel from all of Injustice, Clark contemplating and sadly accepting what it has all finally come to before committing to the act.

[@Paladinforthewin_xx]

Beware the quiet rage of a humble man for he knows all to well the evils of struggling to maintain the good

[@MrTmax74]

Is this a quote, or did you write it yourself? It’s good.

[@theapexfighter8741]

“Peepee training” - Hanma Yuujiro, probably

[@jingthethief]

how exactly did he lose his humanity!! oh no he saved millions of people, how dare he!

[@mitchthe3518]

My thought process is how fast he went when he killed the parademons was shown to send glass shards omnidirectional, my guess is that shockwave from speed killed a lot of humans

[@jingthethief]

@@mitchthe3518 you are making stuff up and you know it. there wasnt any hint of that in the comics.

[@mitchthe3518]

@@jingthethief How? If he was going fast enough to turn a planetwide army to ashes instantly he would definitely had a big shockwave following him

[@jingthethief]

@@mitchthe3518 if he accelarated only right before he hit the parademon and decelerated right after he hit, and he did it for each of them, then yeah it could be done safely.

[@letsgofishing5238]

@@mitchthe3518 are u kidding me all those demons exploded right next to batman and green arrow and nothing happened lmao

[@Ziangal]

Damn, Injustice Sups really let it all go, Joker really did successfully break the best hero of Earth in the DC Universe.

[@patrickdwyer320]

best joke I ever heard

[@benj10s]

Hes only broken because he became a dictator. The Zack Snyder batman and superman are best because they will do what needs to be done while still maintaining their mission and humanity

[@codybaggett5329]

He did the right thing here though.

[@geraldstephens6612]

But like Dr Frankenstein, the Joker unleashed something that he can't stop; which he regretted a split- second before he died.

[@ccelite3782]

Joker realized breaking the Bat is near impossible because he GREW UP in Gotham. In this Universe, Superman never suffered losses until Lois died. It instantly broke him. She didn't die of natural causes, she was murdered by him.

[@adnan_honest_jihadist5775]

5:19 "you'd rather spare the lives of your enemies than save the lives of your people." hes so right with this quote every hero should kill villains order to save innocent ones

[@osirisbael7664]

The one thing that I have always hated about, superman is that he handled every threat to the earth, with kiddy gloves at the expense of thousands if not millions of innocent lives. So it was great to see him let lose and actually due what needed to be done.

[@nobodyknowsforsure]

@2:52 - "You look...what is wrong with you?" *Superman glares with crazy rage eyes*

[@chandrabharati3709]

he always prove he is the best and strongest love him

[@drsupreme1971]

And ppl still say hes below marvel heavy hitters like Thor,hulk,Gladiator,Sentry,and hyperion.

[@peterparquer1873]

About damn time Superman stops holding back; if you cannot permanently incapacitate a murderous enemy, then there really is only one way to stop them in order to save innocent lives. 😔

[@Werewolf.with.Internet.Access]

Invincible comics drive that point HOME

[@oliverrasmusson2362]

@@Werewolf.with.Internet.Access but like mark Said in the comics, what if you kill someone that you thought were guilty but was innocent?

[@georgejoestarii9469]

Injustice almost become God of War if Ares helped Superman. Kal-El: I am not the same man you found me that day. The monster you have created has returned to kill you. 😡 Ares: You have no idea what a true monster is Kratos 😑😡😬🤪😑😡😠. Raarrgghh!! 😔😱😰😨😔😑😡😠 *Breathes.* Your final lesson is at HAND! Ares: Remember Kal-El 😑 it was I who saved you in your time of greatest need. Kal-El: I have not forgotten Ares. I have not forgotten how you saved me. Ares: That night. 🙄😞 I was trying to make you a great WARRIOR. 😨😰😥 Kal-El: You succeeded. *Stabs the Godkiller sword at Ares in his chest.* Ares: AARRGGHH!!! RAAAUUGGHHHH!!!! 🤕😱😱🗿☠️🗿

[@mistersirguyteriyaki]

I'm sorry if I shouldn't agree, but in this case I do. They were parademons. There's no humanity to redeem. And in some criminals too, I think it's warranted. Like the joker, for instance.

[@salvation1176]

Exactly, where is the life in mindless killing machines like Parademons, I could understand other humans who you could possibly relate to but Parademons? I’m sorry but batman looked kinda silly when he said “No” despite being saved from the lifeless mindless drones.

[@nobodyknowsforsure]

I never understood why they thought that was a problem. Killing parademons has been normal

[@peterparquer1873]

Agreed, dude....even if Batman won't kill the Joke, he should at least cripple the murderous villain so that he cannot keep murdering innocent people. The writers would never let that happen, of course, but it would be nice....

[@TheLastSane1]

@@salvation1176 Do you think Darkseid actually lobotomizes his victims? Because sorry that is too "Nice" sure they have no control over their actions but it is very much that they are aware of what their bodies are doing just without control. Sure Superman killing Parademons is fine Batman had no worries about that. But it was the fact that Superman killed all of them in an instant while already on the verge of falling that made him worried. And he is 100% right. Clark goes on to justify a ton of horrible violent acts including the murder of his allies ans friends for "The greater good"

[@LaloSalamancaGaming69]

@@TheLastSane1 thats because batman never was on his side and put him a real limit If i was superman i would probably stop at certain moment when batman told me if batman was a real friend and didn’t care about criminals over innocent people,everything could be fine.

[@craineyfit8619]

Leave it up to Batman and the whole world would be dead

[@Papa_Straight]

Nah he has a plan for everything

[@cr820]

@@Papa_StraightYep. Wait for people who can fix it to fix it, then blame them for their methods. Oh, and recruit children.

[@waldanealladin8754]

When Sups crossed that line Batman knew he would cross others. Once super man became the judge and executioner it was over for humanity, and what it meant in the long run. Superman became that which he hated.

[@omezsalman2687]

@@Papa_Straight then why did he let so many people die if he really had a plan

[@Papa_Straight]

@@omezsalman2687 Plot

[@roro_rockstar2801]

Superman end an entire invasion all around the planet. The avengers couldn't even do this in a day or 2 to 3 days. Even with their strongest characters

[@FernandoComicsOfficial]

Thor responded to a planetary invasion on his own without Mjolnir no less,in a very similar fashion!

[@mbc777]

@@FernandoComicsOfficial In which Issue ????

[@FernandoComicsOfficial]

@@mbc777 in war of the realms #5 !

[@vikobeli21]

Hulk has destroyed planets by himself so yes Hulk absolutely could.

[@trinininja8386]

@@vikobeli21 it would be a bit probpematic if he raged out and destroyed earth though

[@richcapo]

Tom Taylor’s work on the first Injustice title is probably the finest ongoing superhero work I have ever read. It’s phenomenal.

[@art_lobe]

This ethical dilemma would make some sense with Kalibak or with an army of actual soldiers. Killing a Parademon is like "killing" a self-driving car. Even if you assume they're still sentient, they're Darkseid's victim's turned into weapons. At that point "killing" them is a mercy

[@Cptsuccess]

"Just want you to be safe." Biggest lie of eternity right there.

[@Lodatzor]

I wouldn't say lie. At the time, he had only toppled some evil rulers on Earth, and hadn't killed yet. Even after he snaps, he still thinks what he is doing, misguided as the regime was, is to keep his world safe.

[@skyslasher2297]

It’s how it started it only devolved into obsession

[@andrewpreece4871]

@@LodatzorI beg to differ. Kal-el has killed. Let's name a few heroes and villains that he's murdered in cold blood. 1.Joker 2. Kalbek. 3. Green arrow. 4. Nightwing. 5. S.H.A.Z.A.M. 6.Superboy. 7. Lex Luthor. 8. Martian manhunter. Superman has become the very evil that he fought against.

[@Lodatzor]

@@andrewpreece4871 sure, but what I meant is that he's not lying, and certainly not before he snapped. You're right in that he has become that evil he wants to fight, but he doesn't realize it. He still thinks he is protecting his planet. He's just wrong.

[@wholesome_masochist4113]

@@andrewpreece4871 He only offed joker at this point. Very understandable why too. Let's also not forget that with SM, the road to hell is paved with good intentions. And Superboy didn't actually die from that.

[@universecubed8221]

Honestly life might be a little better it's super man did takeover the world. If only he didn't turn into an immediate tyrant and psycho. Honestly almost all super heroes should kill their most dangerous villains.

[@LaloSalamancaGaming69]

I think batman could’ve told him to stop at certain moment if he agreed with killing,but not killing everyone without a reason Like:dont kill the normal criminals,just the truly inredeemable dangerous villians,we cannot act as if killing was nothing. Im more likely to take a tip from a friend that from a guy who dont supports me

[@GlorpLorp]

You can't take over the world without being a tyrant.

[@universecubed8221]

@@GlorpLorp yea I actually disagree with my past self. Grew beyond that mindset

[@uchihashuji3449]

Blame Bats for that.

[@IceGodzilla619]

If I was supes I'd seek out red or any anti-hero on the planet to explain the lines of where I can go

[@feranard]

The interesting thing here is that Caliban surrendered. If Supes had accepted the surrender and then demanded that Caliban call off the demons, that would've immediately ended the situation. Instead, Superman went completely off the rails and got caught up in a ideological kill frenzy. He was so hyped up from killing parademons that he couldn't stop killing. The worst part was that he didn't go full beserker. He still kept his reason but the instant he crossed the line he didn't even bother trying to cross back. This reminds me of Jason Todd and Batman. There was a video explaining how Jason Todd somehow exceeded Batman in a single aspect as all the other Robins had. It turns out that Jason Todd could cross the line and be discrete on who to kill and who to spare. If Batman had crossed the line even once by killing anyone including the Joker, Batman would not have been able to stop. Jason Todd could stop. Superman couldn't stop.

[@punderlord]

I think that's a point that a lot of people are missing. If Superman was properly exercising the principle of self defense/defense of others, he already had applied the minimum force necessary to achieve his goal. Some Parademons did die, but Kalibak surrendered and the fight was over. By continuing to fight Kalibak and then killing every Parademon, it was no longer about defense, it was excessive force, and Superman did that out of anger, not to protect people. His job was already done but he kept going because he couldn't stop.

[@RichterBelmont2235]

@@punderlord Just like Kalibak said, he'll be back again and again, knowing what kind of person he is. And each time he will take ten thousand of human lives. It will forever stays that way until Superman change, which thankfully he did. Don't get caught up in these kind of idealistic philosophical claptrap coming from some hack writers who doesn't have a basic idea of how the real world works. Surrender or not, Kalibak still views himself as a god and mortals are nothing but numbers to him. His words are also backed up by strength alone, with no virtue nor moral high ground. Once he's out of strength, so too the significance of his words.

[@punderlord]

@@RichterBelmont2235 Kalibak is a coward. The only reason he kept coming back is because Superman wasn't willing to kill. Now that he demonstrated he is, it's a deterrent. That's all you need. Speak softly and carry a big stick. And if Superman stopped the fight when Kalibak first surrendered there would have been less human casualties. That's undeniable.

[@rafaelferreira7408]

No, if he let Kalibak go he would return again one day, out of the blue, with a massive army of parademons, Clark did the right thing killing him but he could've knocked him out and later throw Kalibak into the phantom zone.

[@TSEDLE333]

@@punderlord Its not like Kalibak would be back...or the thousands of lives already lost were worth the trouble of making him stop the invasion...which would cost untold thousands of lives till it fully stoped...sorry, this excuse is exactly that: an excuse. Kalibak would be back, with MORE parademons, a few of the usual Darkseid top fighters and maybe DARKSEID HMSELF to keep doing this...

[@bigbluebuttonman1137]

"I'm a GOD!" "I don't care." Damn.

[@The_Backman]

I love the depth of Superman in this. He's what Kingdom Come would have been if Lois hadn't told Clark to keep fighting.

[@jamesshepherd9390]

Definitely not lol.

[@The_Backman]

@@jamesshepherd9390 Okay bud

[@jamesshepherd9390]

@@The_Backman Thanks for admitting you were wrong buddy.

[@The_Backman]

@@jamesshepherd9390 Bitch please. Me saying "Okay Bud" is not putting up with you. You Tried😩

[@Suedeash]

@@jamesshepherd9390 he's right though, the same thing happened to KC Superman pretty much. Except instead of becoming a tyrant he just left to live a life of total solitude on a farm.

[@Tywil714]

I rolled my eyes so hard in this part where everybody cheers and is grateful that superman saved the earth and destroyed the parademons all except batman simply because he chose to kill How in the hell does he expect to fight a army without killing or to save lives in that matter the moral code in DC is so annoying

[@obsidianfrost9514]

Batman is a bit different. He knows if he kills he was I'll becom basically like the joker it's what is keeping him together Superman up till recently didn't have a no kill code. He just chose not to that was changed in the new 52

[@horrorfan117]

It’s because Superman was supposed to be the best of them. He had all the power of a god but made sure not to kill any living thing. Not because of some self imposed rule like Batman. Rather he made the conscious choice not to because it’s what he considered the morally correct action. Batman is saying “No” because he knows this is Superman changing his morals. Accepting killing as a viable “ethical” solution.

[@seniorsterling1064]

@@horrorfan117 bro they were parademons barely living creatures the jl kill them in any other verse easily

[@araizashraf]

@@seniorsterling1064 u are still missing the point, since superman killed them (yes he did the right thing) this made it easier for superman to start killing just like u hesitate to rob first but then it became ur routine

[@eghoseisiramen1892]

@@araizashraf parademons are a literal walking plot device contradiction. In the new 52 every single justice league members killed dozens to hundreds of them. They're literally non-sentient beings at this point, killing them doesn't matter. They were used here for dramatism

[@DHworldwide185]

This man was a monster. Loved it when the *real* Superman showed up and whipped him and his posse.

[@DHworldwide185]

@Rodney James Except that you *wouldn’t* Absoute power corrupts absolutely. You will just become another dictator.

[@kolat10]

simple reason, same as bats. if u step across a line it gets easier so much easier. thats the trapping of mankind. u would start out doing good things but it doesnt stop, just escalates. in supermans case he has way way to much power. its like US gets in a argument with a tiny country and ends up just nuking it.

[@reasonablekinda2269]

@@kolat10 your logic is flawed by real world experiences, Soldiers, actual good soldiers that do things cause they wanna end wars and protect people do exist and as such from that perspective they should be evil after killing yet they always do the same thing, they fight, not cause they enjoy it but cause they have to, to protect what they love, I agreed that there are crazy killers that just enjoy it among soldiers but there are good people as well and also tell me, what has Batman achieved by leaving Joker a psycho killer alive for so long, he even stops other people from killing him, that is insanity at its finest, knowing the harm and being clearly able to fix the problem yet not doing anything about it cause he “thinks” he would become a villain, I would put the Injustice timeline on Batman’s shoulders cause he never tried to stop joker permanently, always clinging to the “we must be better” or “we do not fall to their level” ideas which are held up by the fact that he doesn’t kill a mass murderer who will kill many people each time he gets out of prison and Joker has escaped plenty of times so those deaths can also be put on Batman. If I had the power to then I would find out who is truly evil for evils sake and who came to a life of crime to survive and then kill the truly deranged such as the Joker and give the others jobs and help so that they can integrate back into society as good people. After that maybe make a defense force made up of individuals who are willing to do the right thing and defend earth from those who wish it harm, just my take on this entire thing. And absolute power doesn’t corrupt absolutely, that’s a load of crap, only those too weak of mind and incapable of making the hard decisions will fall into that category, Bill Gates for example has enough money to have a private very well funded army if he wished, he could also probably by some of the countries of our world with how rich he is, does he do that? Does he bully people into giving him stuff, does he have a private army to do whatever he wants? He doesn’t. Is every politician in the world corrupt, no their not, the real world has answers to so many of those moral problems that those superheroes face yet people still play ignorant and think such stupid moral high ground illusions are good and just.

[@ameerkhan3257]

later he definitely becomes a monster, but he made the right choice here. This was war. No time to hold back or waste time.

[@codybaggett5329]

He did the right thing most of the time but he learned that even he wasn't incorruptible towards the end of those 5 years. Before that, he was in the moral right.

[@eon1014]

Superman didn’t lose his humanity. He saved humanity. If he hadn’t done what he did, then the human race would’ve been slaughtered by Parademons. By killing Kalibak and his Parademons, Superman did exactly what Superman is supposed to do: He saved the world.

[@TSEDLE333]

by losing his humanity, what kept him from doing what he supposed to be right at the moment...but see...both writers and fans believe Superman should NEVER LOSE THIS LIMITATION. That his 'humanity' is what keeps him from ' Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely'.... No writer will EVER have teh GUTS to write him completely unleashed from the shackles of his 'humanity' (that is FAR more HUMAN than most humans will EVER be, btw...) because fans and haters alike will NEVER ACCEPT seeing Superman unleashed without being either outright evil or on its path to being evil...they cannot accept that... Luthor on BvsS: If God is all powerfull, he cannot be All good...this is what people see in Superman...they DONT want him to be the all Powerfull being they HATE him to be UNLESS he is evil in some way...

[@eon1014]

@@TSEDLE333 Agreed. Now, of course, I’m not saying Superman should completely and permanently discard his humanity. Most of the time, sparing your opponent and not killing them can be a good thing and it may even convince them to join your side. But sometimes, exceptions must be made. Otherwise, Superman may end up losing everything he’s sworn to protect. Ethics and moral codes are good things for superheroes to have, but when it prevents them from doing their job of protecting the innocent, then there’s clearly a problem.

[@TSEDLE333]

@@eon1014 All powerfull vs all good luthor argument again...in the minds of the masses, its either, never both....if he is all powerful and can stop all evil around the planet, then he is EVIL if he does it. If he uses his powers just to stop evil, but not all of it, he is good, but not all powerfull, so why the fuck is doing that if it wont matter in the end? Again, no writer have the guts to push a fully realised Supes, completely unleashed and yet in total control of his mind and powers. He would be unbeatable, and thus in teh minds of the masses that hate the character, unrelatable. People NEED to see their heroes STRUGGLING. If Superman resolved everything, ended crime, famine, suffering etc, the world would REVOLT on his ass even if he wasnt even trying to take control of the people...he would be a tyrant just because he ended the very CHOICE of BEING EVIL... Humans, huh? Thats why Superman is MORE HUMAN than humans in the DC multiverse....he is the IDEAL we should hope to achieve.

[@eon1014]

@@TSEDLE333 And there you go.

[@alphagamer9505]

I always thought that The Moral of the Heroes that don't kill they're enemies and allowed them to come back again to kill more innocents is borderline fucking insane, it's like it's some sick game for them. Supes is Right, No mercy kill them all. Your Precious morality, Your Soul isn't worth more than the lives of the Innocent

[@larniieplayz6285]

Wow….

[@alphagamer9505]

@@larniieplayz6285 that Wow is you agree with me or you disagree

[@calebstephens6059]

This is what are soldiers in real life had to do to protect are county.

[@thisisnotachannel]

I said it when I first read "Injustice", and I'll say it again now... It's about damned time, Supes!

[@captainnightfall7327]

Superman: **Rid demons from Earth** Doom Slayer: First time?

[@spookrockcity]

Goku been real quiet ever since this came out.

[@umarbhutta3435]

What do u mean

[@metatron6262]

Goku's always been fine with dying, if anything this'll just make him more excited... oh dear

[@killme2675]

But Goku mostly kills his enemies...

[@thewildcardperson]

Good went through this faze as a kid

[@killme2675]

@Ashura Otsutsuki He killed Kid Buu, he killed King Piccolo, he killed Freeza (twice if you count the time Freeza survived), he killed King Piccolo's minions without mercy, he killed the entire Red Ribbon Army, and he helped Piccolo kill Raditz. Other than that, he killed Moro.

[@Norinia]

Kalibek is a genius and an idiot all at the same time he recognized immediately something was seriously wrong with Superman and that he was screwed, then every moment that facade breaks. He starts mocking Superman. Real Genius moment there, huh?

[@denkerbosu3551]

This a literal invation. War. You don't just "lose humanity" when you are the one defending your people from being slaughtered.

[@sylvestermalifa1653]

How is superman saving the world from an alien invasion proof that he has lost his humanity ? Was letting the world be destroyed by darkseid's forces the humane thing to do? Or should i say the batman thing to do ?

[@menacetosociety3026]

He crossed a line that he will never come back from when he killed kalibak but i agree that he destroyed those parademons, they were just nightmare creatures from hell and they were slaughtering innocent people.

[@sylvestermalifa1653]

@@menacetosociety3026 it was fair game kalibak would have done the same thing to him if he could even in a court of law he would say it was all in self defence for himself and the people of earth and he would win the case and walk out a free man he didnt cross the line here

[@thewildtigre3339]

He literally killed the Joker before this so...

[@sylvestermalifa1653]

@@thewildtigre3339 So you gonna feel sorry for the joker a man that killed millions with a nuke ?

[@thewildtigre3339]

@@sylvestermalifa1653 no just making the point thst he already crossed the line buddy.

[@steveispro6985]

It’s funny that the beginning of injustice superman is right and wrong at the same time like you can just ask cyborg to boom tube those parademons and I also agree that sometimes not every villain is worth to keep them alive, like they are just straight up bad but also when the story progresses superman just became a maniac and his leadership is just like superman redson where he thinks what he’s doing is the right thing...to rule with power and fear and control them...but it also shows that how perfect injustice story is towards telling superman feelings if it were “real life feelings” and that’s 100% true one of the best story I read but also some parts are just stupid and I guess it’s just a plot.

[@andrewpreece4871]

No. He's not right in any way. He starts by talking 1 life, then another, and another, and another, and another until he's become the very villain that he's been trying to stop. He's no better than Lex luthor. He's no better than Parasite, Darkseid, Brainiac,Joker, Sinestro,the red lantern corps.

[@steveispro6985]

@@andrewpreece4871 so you’re telling me in real life if a group of people entered you’re house and starts pointing guns you wouldn’t take think about killing them if they engaged? Injustice story is similarly based of what if these emotions were human emotion just like how in real life we human kill but it doesn’t make us like lex Luther in fact lex Luther was better than superman in injustice killing doesn’t make you any different it’s just about the mental state.

[@wesleywallace4426]

@@andrewpreece4871 Superman should gave Kalibak a chance to surrender, call off his invasion, give valuable intel on Darkseid, and then send him to prison like maybe with the Green Lanterns for lifelong confinement. But everything else is fine.

[@TSEDLE333]

@@wesleywallace4426 The thing is: HE DID. ANd what Kalibak did? got MORE parademons because Superman ALWAYS held back against his enemies. WHEN kalibak NOTICED he WOULDNT hold back anymore? he FREAKED OUT and BEGGED for mercy...while his parademons where killing hundreds of thousands worldwide...

[@megathelos4976]

🤨 The entire planet is about to get owned...and Batman says no to Supes owning the parademons. What an ingrate... 😄

[@otakurocklee]

Just stupid. Dumb writing for this whole story. Somehow killing the joker and saving the planet from an invasion causes Superman to turn into a child killer and kill Shazam.

[@megathelos4976]

@@otakurocklee 🤷🏽‍♂️ It's a comic book, I never expect good writing from the medium. When it happens I'm always pleasantly surprised.

[@codybaggett5329]

Agreed

[@Werewolf.with.Internet.Access]

@@megathelos4976 OI those are some ignorant fighting words. There are a literal plethora of well written comic books with brilliant character arcs and stories. “I don’t expect that from this medium” Jesus that’s some boomer opinion right there. Let me guess you think all cartoons are written for kids too huh?

[@justhereforpeace]

I didnt say bo for killing parademon but for the fact that clark have now lose his feeling of mercy

[@wingsofrichard1393]

Man the more I see this Superman doesn't seem so evil just sane

[@ThePaulo3859]

I love injustice story line. Thanks for the video Fernando 👍🏻

[@Masochist4Melons]

That was a really good thing he did. Not a bad thing. More importantly what the hell is wrong with the government of DC earth to never hand out a death sentence to super powered murderers who escape constantly?

[@titanhades4331]

Cause that would make those people murderers so you would have to execute them as well, then do the same to the people that execute those people. Sorry, but you can't make Exceptions when it comes to this. Murder is murder.

[@crapcase3985]

@@titanhades4331 I can certainly make a fucking exception to someone like the joker.

[@larniieplayz6285]

@@titanhades4331 seriously?

[@paulmuyali5918]

Sometimes u jus gotta snap to get things done

[@johnnyonthespot1665]

"I'm a God"..Correct response: "Puny God"

[@dirdib69]

“In the time of Superman’s absence, Keystone City has become a utopia-a protectorate relentlessly patrolled by a gale force once human. No one sees him... no one hears him. He runs a lonely race... but all who live here have felt his presence. He is everywhere at once... a guardian angel who rights even the most harmless of wrongs with lightning speed. He lives between the ticks of a second. He is the Flash.” The Spectre, "Kingdom Come"

[@godking]

There was literally no other way for Superman to deal with that invasion other then killing.

[@leftyknox8296]

Superman always finds another way. The day he can no longer find one is the day he stops being Superman, betraying his beliefs and losing his humanity.

[@lapplandkun9273]

@@leftyknox8296 Sorry, but no. How many innocent people will die before they finally decide enough is enough and kill for the safety of others?

[@leftyknox8296]

@@lapplandkun9273 When they can’t find a way out. Which will be never, because they’re the Justice League and they ALWAYS find a way.

[@megablueflash1816]

Didn't Kalibak already surrender? That could have been the end of the invasion right there.

[@robgraham5697]

Every time I see something about the 'Injustice' Universe my first thought is, "The Joker won."

[@maximumcarnage2988]

If Joker won means save thousands people ok, seriously in this situation the only answer is one

[@georgejoestarii9469]

I had enough with that stupid clown.

[@GamerCentricc]

I really enjoy your videos fernando. Also i'd like to add that supermans ethics and optimistic view on their being peace and harmony on both sides together is not impossible, however in most cases it's highly improbable and although he is both extrememly intelligent, can think super fast, fly and is basically a physical powerhouse I think that his willpower is quite weak, as soon as you can influence him that his morale code just will not cut it and there will always be conflict until one party is out of commission for good, he could be twisted into the opposite of the blue boyscout people see him as.

[@datemasamune2904]

They should find a superhero who can see into the future, so that hero could tell them "If you don't kill, you're all fucked, and so is the world."

[@darkodin2007]

Superman...made a rape face. Straight up terrified Kalibak out of his skin.

[@sylvestermalifa1653]

In my opinion batman is the true villian of injustice superman actually made the world a better place in this comic but batman wasnt gonna let superman create a world that doesnt need superheroes

[@kingrobert7122]

No, Superman became a evil dictator, Batman was trying to stop him.

[@jeanlouis243]

I think superman has gone a bit too far(not talking about this moment im mean like when he killed shazam) and batman is trying to help a friend but thats just my opinion

[@sylvestermalifa1653]

@@kingrobert7122 an evil dictator who ended crime , pollution , and war yeah sounds pretty damn evil to me what did batman do for planet earth oh thats right he showed mercy to villians who were too dangerous to be kept alive and one of them ended up nuking a whole damn city and killing an innocent pregnant woman oh i bet gotham had a low crime rate before superman came into power

[@sylvestermalifa1653]

@@jeanlouis243 no i think superman did what had to be done for a better earth but the resistance he got from batman and others pushed him over the edge and made his methods become more extreme in order to better combat batman

[@Zaacdrums]

@@sylvestermalifa1653 honestly superman could have just broke every villian back he ever fought paralyzing them. Or lock them in the phantom zone.

[@CPhero82]

The background music so powerful

[@snapdragon9300]

This needs to be a movie.

[@speedstrong9076]

Man!!!!

[@spasebar]

Comic: Superman very hesitating starts killing demons to protect people and is pushed more and more to the dark side trough his friends betraying him and innocents dying. Game: "Oh no, Lois died, I´ll just start murdering everyone lol"

[@torntokoroa3357]

You do realize the comic and game are tied together right? The comic is the lead-up to the first game. Everyone you saw die in the comics died in that universe

[@waldanealladin8754]

And people really believe the Hulk has a chance?

[@briannarvaez203]

Yeah people who don't understand Superman has versatility while Hulk only has strength Superman also has strength equal or greater to the Hulk's

[@beckeras8848]

@@briannarvaez203 It is actually much greater without a question. Superman broke through the 4th dimension beating the greatest beings in the universe of DC. He literally beat his own writers in one issue. In another issue, he carried infinitely and broke through the source wall knowing everything that there is to know in the DC universe. He's just OP all around. the only reason they make him look like a kid sometimes is that he has to be innocent and weak a little or every invasion or problem will end like this. INSTANTLY. Did you not see him match the flash? THE FLASH, who's meant to specialize in speed? Superman is the jack of all trades and the special of everything at the same time.

[@pietrocatalano4285]

Man, that boom tube had the most perfect timing...

[@yacyuuzi]

Thanks Fernando

[@kitianarmada8487]

Superman understood that in a brawl or a fight between hero and villain, you can subdue the villain. But a war is different, to quickly end a war and reduce casualties, you don’t subdue the enemy, you eliminate them.

[@sigurd-333]

I don't have much interest in dc, but you always amaze me with your great picks...

[@thaddeuscheeleyjr.369]

This is such a contrived "Superheroes are villains waiting to happen" That I can almost smell Garth Ennis in this and I'm not even certain he made this. It looks like his MO and art though.

[@irishboy325]

I love in comics like these when the bad guy shows up and sees the hero ain’t playing games anymore and they’re like “oh shit wait wait wait”

[@orlandobritt1460]

When people forget why god fear this man

[@lumendelsol]

Finally Superman becomes the hero we all truly deserve.

[@marc-ericleblanc-seguin4514]

You don’t know anything about injustice

[@lumendelsol]

@@marc-ericleblanc-seguin4514 are you kidding ive been reading comics since your mom was getting plugged back in middle school kid. Lmao u might be my son. ;)

[@marc-ericleblanc-seguin4514]

@@lumendelsol Oh I see, you’re that kind of “special”.

[@lumendelsol]

@@marc-ericleblanc-seguin4514 very, unlike you mr idiocracy.

[@EditCrafting]

I'm happy that so many comments support super Man.

[@Subpar1O1]

"No more mercy. For cancers posing as men." Holy shit, Clark

[@deniharuno7010]

tbh, you should do more injustice content, i enjoyed this more

[@francisconavarretmoore9226]

Superman while not holding back can beat anybody even thor sentry blue marvel sliver surfer anybody even gods

[@eivor3975]

Superman beats Blue Marvel but not the rest

[@DarkCurow]

Look at Superman's eyes just before he leaves Flash too. He looks like he's pleading for another answer there. He didn't just come to Flash for permission, but for another possibility. When Flash didn't have one it confirmed for him that Kalibak was right and at that point his last hope to retain his morals died. The joker didn't just kill Lois, he destroyed everything Superman believed in.

[@keannix]

Superman: **saves the earth** Batman: *da fak hav u dan?*

[@luqmansimple7132]

Superman did a good job at protecting his own planet, much like war you need to pick a side. And you have to kill the enemies if necessary, it does not make you a bad person. But enjoying killing is a bad thing, but in the end superman choose to protect humanity from savages and he have to kill them. Its nothing bad, it's just the way things work in war.

[@trinininja8386]

This is the superman i want to see.

[@haitianjedi9411]

Yassssss....

[@imbouttashowyoumycaillou-k541]

Superman is just more human than any human lived.

[@uzimakiking]

injustice superman year 1 is still a redeemable/ lawful good superman in my book

[@user-lj2cb2pj8j]

With the exception even letting Shazam fight let alone killing him, I looked at this version of superman the same way wonder women does

[@bfebrian]

I'm a God All: Who cares!!!

[@edwarddilellio6051]

Superman let him self loose than normal I love this comic.

[@marcusaurelius7604]

DC, the only universe where letting the innocent die to save the guilty is portrayed as being the morally correct choice.

[@krisguntner4805]

I know you didn't mean anything by the title fernando but "loses his SANITY"would have been better as being human is doing what is necessary to survive against impossible odds INCLUDING the capacity to kill otherwise that says all cops,soldiers,or homeowners protecting their family and had to kill are "less then human" and what does that say about those that think that?

[@Rocky-oq9cy]

You know, I think one of the reasons the Injustice story turned out so well was because it really wasn't just one event that completely turned Superman into what he was at the end. Sure, the Joker killing thousands of people including his wife is the spark that STARTED the fire, but in reality it was a much greater amount of smaller things that we got to see slowly change Superman's point of view. This event being one of them. He seemed much more human because of this. You could see Superman in a constant conflict with himself. Always thinking "What should I do? What is the best option?" But at the same time fighting his emotions and trying so hard to contain them. He knew both answers. He knew the logical answer and he knew the emotional answer. He just struggled with himself to decide which one he needed to choose. This event was enough to make Superman feel like he had to make a choice. One death for the safety of 100 people. In his mind. After all of the things he saw. He decided to switch over. He was no longer of the mindset that everyone could be convinced to be good. He decided that it wasn't worth it to try to find that innocence anymore. Not if millions died on the path it took to reach it. His logic made sense. You saw him develop over time and it was really difficult to pick a side.

[@goofybutserious4807]

About time he did

[@Mr.Infumus]

Can't wait for the next one 👍🏿

[@bobboby1115]

It’s about time killing doesn’t make you evil I mean slaughter dark side and his whole world there literally pure evil .

[@daraghokane4236]

No there not his son Orion is good big barta turned good random people on the planet rebel against him.

[@bobboby1115]

Touché, but still burn it all

[@daraghokane4236]

@@bobboby1115 okay in the dc version of America lex because president multiple evil society run things the most influencal media figure is a New God of propaganda that works for darkside. So I guess that place is evil too

[@bobboby1115]

See more stuff to burn , praise be the cleansing flame of Superman’s lasers

[@cr820]

100% a sensible kill in my book (civilians were dying, nuff said), but also, gosh is this Clark's life unfair in terms of how everything seems aligned to push him to extremity. Dude is trying to get himself back on the more generally-accepted hero track (I think no-kill policies are stupid, but that's niether here nor there) aaaaand BOOM, Kalibak shows up with a murder-boner, then actively GLOATS about how Superman won't kill him and he will therefore kill everyone. Yeesh.

[@Wolf-vt9mv]

Too me, he lost his humanity at the moment he killed Green Arrow.

[@theswampowner8716]

After seeing The Boys it's hard to think that he lost his humanity here

[@numbers93]

I don't get it. I had always thought killing Parademons was fair game, no cost to one's conscience.

[@rdrb8329]

Its the murder of kalibak i think bro The term supes used like no more holding back probably showing him turning more corrupt i guess that he wont bother killing anyone now

[@slipperyslope9545]

@@rdrb8329 But how did Batman know the outcome of the battle with Kalibak ? he was pretty far from that. Also he does the 'No' after the parademons die, not immediately after Kalibak does

[@Boomtana88]

no man , Batman was the only one who knew how much this breaks Superman

[@thefingerlessguy4423]

Bat man saying no is bat mon lettimg the world get destroyed if darks side gave hime a choice to kill just one parademon he still say no and let earth get destoryed

[@Iceflkn]

@9:20 "It's raining men, hallelujah It's raining men! Amen!"

[@tunch90]

- I am a god - *WHAT IS A GOD TO A NONBELIEVER??!!*