SuperMoto Or S1000rr, Which is faster on track? (UNCUT)

[@leward]

Win or lose, the supermoto would probably be more fun for most people.

[@pavel_nekto]

Amen

[@yzScott]

No bike will find your inner hooligan like a supermoto.

[@Youtube_Globetrotter]

Yes it's a feeling I chase not lap time. I don't own a supermoto but i'll take it over a 1000rr

[@ameunier41]

It's more manageable on the road, but sometimes you feel like you could go way faster and the bike won't take you there.

[@META313.]

​@@KZbin_Globetrotter If I had to keep it, I'd take 5K dirt bike over a sport bike in literally any price category. Sticking to the road and riding at high speeds are just immensely dull, boring concepts.

[@mikemet1744]

You are a great rider. That was an absolute joy to watch. Cannot state how impressed I am. Kudos!!

[@dangoesfast]

"Cannot state how impressed I am" is a statement of how impressed you were

[@mikemet1744]

Not sure why you cannot accept that I AM impressed that he IS a great rider. You can seek therapy. @@dangoesfast

[@zurik69420]

@@dangoesfastnope because it an understatement

[@mikemet1744]

Can you tell me how impressed I am?@@dangoesfast

[@JL-qe5gl]

This is on Streets of Willow; on Big Willow the SM wouldn’t even be close, on Horse Thief Mile, the SM would check out. Track layout makes a huge difference.

[@v4pilot331]

Absolutely... this video is purposely trying to deceive.

[@friendlysnoworb6091]

no way, the bike that's faster in a straight line is faster on straight lines and the bike that's faster in the curves is faster in the curves!!!

[@Wawnky]

@@friendlysnoworb6091depends on how many turns and how long the straights are I guess

[@keithburns5707]

I was in a race in 1978 it was the annual AFM six hour endurance race that year it rain five out of 6 hours a Can-Am 250 dirtbike came in second .it doesn’t necessarily mean if you have 1000 cc that you’re gonna beat that little 250. I’ve seen Bob Endicott in the unlimited class in a 10 lap race He cleaned everybody’s clock at the end of the race, he was a half a lap ahead of everybody else .

[@punditpounder5153]

Facts! Back in olden times, I think it was 2008, when the AMA raced at Sonoma Raceway (then called Infineon Raceway) on the north end of the Bay Area, Jake Zemke's 600cc FX pole position lap was good enough for P6 on the Superbike grid. That's how much track layout matters. That could NEVER happen at Big Willow or Daytona or Utah. There's a reason SuperMoto races on kart tracks and superbikes... don't.

[@davidjordan5539]

I love it , I ride a 690 KTM and do track days on it and it gives the sport bikes a fit, so funny and then when they find out iam 66 years old it’s even better. Keep the rubber side down brother.

[@riccicrozzie8204]

Same here mate, I'm 63 soon, ride Duke 690, the look on the young bloke's face's when I take off my skid lid is rewarding.

[@esterpandol]

Caro nonno Pasquale mi piacerebbe fare una gara con te nel circuito di monza mettendo in palio tutte le nostre proprietà al vincitore

[@pavel_nekto]

Respect man. Iam from russia and we have no absolutely any life in culture after 40-50, so now i am located in serbia and enjoying when i see how the old peoples still keep active and feeling alive. Its gifting the hope to next day and healing my heart. Thanks to you all @@riccicrozzie8204

[@airdevil21]

: D that's awesome!!!

[@796andy2]

63 and my speed triples been gathering dust since I got the smcr

[@jvillain9946]

Really just depends on the type of track. Smaller technical coarses with lots of sharp corners, then yes. Larger sweeping coarses with a long straight away then hell no

[@kinnanton]

Exactly!

[@t16205]

Not to mention the rider

[@RUBIZEN]

Someone could probably develope an AI/algorithm program to factor in the amount of curves/straights/rider weight/experience/ tire compound/ horse power..... That person is NOT Al Gore!

[@jr.6199]

​@@RUBIZENhmmm, that's a weird way to bring up the former VP.

[@Donfleebie1]

algore, what a waste!😂

[@cethyhnc9305]

You definitely feel the 100kg difference in the curves :)

[@MrDenisio77]

And the skills

[@oldineamiller9007]

Well, this shows exactly what I see when I ride out on the very curvy mountain roads of my area together with other bikers. I own four different bikes all Yamahas. One MT-3 old version 660cc single with 183kg, one Bulldog V2 1100cc with 250kg, one MT-01 V2 1700cc with 265kg and a XV 1900cc also a V2 with 340kg. The heavier the bike, the lover is the speed in the middle of the curve. But the larger engines have a better acceleration due to the higher torque. So, in the end of the day only the skills of the rider make the difference. A very skilled rider on a low hp bike can outperform any medium skilled biker on a high end racing bike if only the road has enough curves. If there are enough straight lines the racers can only be faster on a race track. On public roads the speed limit prevents that. Summery: On public roads you can easy cope with about 90% of all the others, even you ride just a lightweight low hp bike. If you want to ride just for the fun of it, no need to invest a lot of $ in a high end racing bike.

[@FilosophicalPharmer]

I’ve never seen more confused Aprilia and Triumph riders than when I left them all on a parallel twin 600cc Yamaha during a group ride here in the twisties of Western NC. …Except for the time I smoked my brother-in-law on his R1100R while riding a 600cc Honda Silverwing scooter. 😂

[@oldineamiller9007]

@@FilosophicalPharmer Good one.

[@FilosophicalPharmer]

YAMAHA = “You And Me Are Hauling A**.” 😂👍🏼

[@fanman4230]

A lot of riders underestimate Sumos and Trail Bikes. I've mainly ridden big Trailies with road tyres, and on rides out have never been left behind. The only bikes I could never keep up with were 600s with an experienced rider. I'm a bit long in the tooth now for brains out riding although I'm seriously considering becoming a born again biker and getting a KTM Sumo, Wife permitting.

[@dusty111]

That's one of the reasons i enjoyed my old KTM so much. Living right in the middle of the austrian alps many sportbike riders would underestimate your little "underpowered" bike until the twisties begin. Switched to something more civilized (Buell XB12) because of an engine failure and the rising risk of my riding style (drifting into corners and wheelies out of them). Never underestimate these little wheelie machines on mountain roads!

[@FilosophicalPharmer]

My wife said it was either her or motorcycles. Boy, am I gonna miss her!

[@Dave-ng7ee]

@@dusty111 same here, before it got stolen I've had the 64bhp, 2014 690 smcr with full titanium akra and few bits and pieces and dynoed at 69 (nice) WHP!. 34k km, never any failures, only sipping some oil. On twisty Irish roads this was the best and by far the fastest bike I've ever owned and I was very, very good with my K6 gixer 600. All the big bike boys from Dublin Island Riders were getting a weekly spanking on Mondelo and Wicklow roads :)

[@dusty111]

@@Dave-ng7ee i never thought of Ireland as a motorcycle country because in my head Britain and Ireland are more or less rain only. On the other hand, the isle of man is near you

[@weevilinabox]

​​@@dusty111Motorcycles still work in the rain, you know. And high wind, fog, hail, and even snow! Those who ride throughout winter in the UK don't have that dangerous period of re-familiarisation which the fair weather-only riders require in spring after their four- to six-month layoff.

[@paulhope3401]

So good! Amazing riding bro... the braking and mid corner speed on that thing is unbelievable. What an eye opener! Thanks for sharing. You earned a new sub.. 🤟

[@c3h84ever]

that is cool.. love that the SM is awesome in the corners, they both look like pretty dang good riders

[@lithium534]

Super impressive. The amount of lean angle and grip a SM has in corners is insane. I still miss my Aprila SVX. But it's better this way. I won't die jong. LOL😂.

[@colinhalliday613]

That was fun to watch, thanks for posting. I'm a motard fanatic but used to love racing sports bike. Either way it's great 😁

[@Keithridesbikes]

This was such a joy to watch. loved how you really turned it up second last lap. Brings me back to racing and tracking my 450SMR. Does not seem even physically possible how fast they can corner. Of course you are a VERY skilled rider.

[@domovoibutler42]

Other than the awesome riding, the vast open space and the sky that you can see as far as the horizon is somewhere I ought to take myself and the bike to. The daily cramped workspace makes me miss the outside world.

[@alexfudo2160]

This looks like a ton of fun! Sounds like you had a blast as well. Your tires had to have one hell of a work out lol. Cheers Mate!

[@bernhtp]

The Willow Springs Streets track is very tight and technical. There are only a couple of places where the RR's power will do anything for you. The SM rider is really good, though.

[@Hadouken434]

Talk about wringing a bikes neck. Jesus. Hats off mate that was some ride

[@neiljarvis8911]

Awesome! We all love to see the underdog come out on top!

[@bikesbirdsandbonsai2012]

As the old maxim says... 'It ain't what you got, it's what you do with it that counts!' 😎

[@luigigiamportone5486]

this was an epic series of fantastics laps!! amazing

[@RastaMitchVlogs]

I wish I could see your PB, cause I'm loving the lines 😍. great video, looking forward to more!.💪

[@swealer]

If we take the 2nd to last lap as an example, which its most likely his fastest lap around the course and you have good knowledge and understanding about how to handle a bike (in this case the supermoto) then you will see how i could shave off easy 2-3 seconds at bare minimum. ❤I DONT HAVE ANY BAD INTENSIONS ON THE DRIVER AND DONT WANT TO BE RUDE OR INSULT HIM IN ANY WAY!❤ He got great driving skill for sure, but there are some fatal mistakes in relation to driving line, break points and small hick-ups in the handling department (like the rear wheel locks while braking before corner entry f.e.) Would be awesome as well if we had time's shown but i am pretty sure the camera-bike has the faster laps overall and i also think that the superbike drivers dont ride as long or dont habe the same expirience as this driver. All in all great video! Be safe out there big boy❤

[@h2topgun]

Great job. Impressive riding brother.

[@MetalurgicaDovat]

great quality man! this is the good type of POV

[@jimg.4913]

Yes track layout plays a part but there's also a pretty big talent disparity between the rider on the SM and the rider on the RR.

[@nickchilds3104]

Tremendous riding and video, literally brought tears to my eyes. I've only ever ridden supermotos, but never at the track. I've got my 500exc for sale now since I was going to switch to just an R6 for almost exclusively track use, but this video might've convinced me to not give up on the 500 yet. The feeling of going around the outside of a way quicker bike is like nothing else. What top speed are you hitting with what gearing? I would imagine you're not running stock gearing on that FS.

[@beefeekeefee]

Looks like Willow Springs but one of the short tracks. Move over to the big boy track and see what happens.

[@RV-ardvark]

The other riders on the track do not appear to be very skilled. All of them were missing the apex of the corners and only were able to stay ahead by their machine's horsepower/acceleration.

[@TheGreatKevino1]

This is a great example of riding with momentum vs riding with power

[@stevebradshaw3365]

It's about which is the most fun to ride on a personal level, I've a Supamoto and love it, but whatever you ride stay safe and just enjoy.

[@the_rush_to_nothing]

That was some epic riding. Great video!

[@loneriderpapsht5790]

The most epic friend battle I’ve ever watch on board. Amazing!! I love supermoto

[@FilosophicalPharmer]

Excellent riding on the Katoom! Now to be fair, it’s time to see the S1000RR on a Sumo track! 👍🏼😁

[@tarikebarrett2804]

Great video! That power wheelie at 1:39, sheesh 😅.

[@danielcarroll5667]

Best track day video I've ever seen , thank you !

[@chrismoody1342]

Boy you made some Sportbike rider cry big tears. I knew the supermoto would be quick, but not that quick. Super impressed with your skills. My first 20 years of riding was on a motocrosser. I’m 68 and riding a Sportbike at present. Can’t tell how much it makes want a supermoto after witnessing this.

[@SailingFrolic]

Bro you helped me fall asleep again, so soothing and smooth. Great ride, man.

[@marksmart9754]

As always. It depends on the track. My 650 used to keep up with the litre bikes around the tighter tracks. But the ones with the long straights and sweeping corners were the big bikes dream.

[@Cees1984]

💪🏻 Nice ! I started with road race bikes and later made te switch to SM and Enduro. It’s a lot of fun and very quick 💨💨😎🤠

[@IamCarsonn]

Same here! This was my second track day with this bike and I can't believe how fun it is 🤘🏽

[@Poc_rides]

WHAT AN ABSOLUTE JOY TO WATCH!!!!

[@RobertVP]

That was a fun ride! Thanks for taking us along...

[@kengoold7157]

that was amazing to watch, need to get you into a motogp race with that ;)

[@bdjm8595]

Wow, you really brought it to the sportbike guys,, that was some amazing riding!!

[@LordHolley]

Supermoto bikes are just so damn fun to ride!!!! Definitely more my thing.

[@PureEvolution]

some great riding done well to keep that pace nice work

[@jonford6119]

I remember spending an entertaining afternoon a few years ago as a spectator at Bouley Bay hillclimb on the island of Jersey. A tight and steep hillclimb. Second fasted bike time of the day was a guy on a 650cc supermoto. Fastest time of the day was the same guy, on his 400cc supermoto. On a fast open circuit like Monza, a litre class sports bike would win, by a long way. The tighter and more technical, the more the supermoto comes into play.

[@vr46go87]

Hey man my pie went cold watching this! Can’t do both! Fantastic ride!!

[@kevincollins4112]

Killin it bro💯

[@twistandgo3414]

Loving this! Did something similar myself recently on my channel with my 765RS chasing my mate on his GSXR1000R . Again, just shows, it's not all about power and I know exactly how much fun you're having!!! What a scream to ride! Nice riding mate it's all about the fun! . 👍😎👌😁

[@Wakunafgc]

i subbed 👍

[@danrizzo1093]

That was some good ridin! Thanks for the ride!

[@MiJi_29]

Both have it's own advantages, and this video explains it. I love this race

[@KathrynLiz1]

I first saw a Motard over 30 years ago at some street races, and their corner speed amazed me... faster than the "race" bikes, and in a track with no long straights they were al over the race bikes like a dose of measles... This one is the same... amazing corner speed, if a bit lacking in straight line power on the straights...

[@mickdundee7604]

Awesome video also Awesome ridi g skills 👏👏

[@hamish3766]

awesome video, definitely looks like you were holding back so as to get some good following footage. Most impressive is that you could swap the wheels and you could go enduro riding with your buddies. I'm guessing most of those bikes you overtook were probably dedicated track bikes that aren't even road registered. This track was also pretty fast with long straights. Get on a tighter track, or even better on a 690 supermoto and a lot more egos would be crushed.

[@wouterlietaer2574]

Great video, i know it is not that important on a supermoto, but what is the top speed of your fs 450? It looks that even on the straights you have not so much to lose on the sportbike

[@IamCarsonn]

Somewhere around 105-110mph

[@derekgrey3927]

You should get some clip ons it makes cornering so much better. Or a set of handle bars you can invert easily. It will help lower your center of gravity and puts your weight further forward.

[@davespent9084]

I had a APRILIA 550 SXV stage 3 tune dyno'ed OVER 70 HP at rear wheel sickest fastest machine EVER could do things with ease that I just couldn't on my NINJA 600 love seeing you go out and prove what I've been trying to say for a long time 👍nice ride

[@T.S.-eo7my]

Would have loved to see you continue to carve out your own hot corners…but you seemed rather content to follow the sport bikes once you were in the corners with them. You had no problem entering very hot and late which is an absolute pleasure to watch. Just wish you carried through with that same aggression once around the other machines…because your combo could easily carry the corner faster than them. 👍

[@TrentonWarrington]

I know that supermoto is fast, but I’m pretty sure that rider is insanely fast! Impressive!

[@familygromscarsfun3896]

Its like a good togue race ! the ae86 vs the skyrine! love it!

[@bryanland1011]

Streets of Willow. Loved racing that track. You should have challenged the S1KRR at Horse Thief! Loved racing HT on mr SM!

[@jasper_of_puppets]

Fantastic footage and riding! May I ask, what camera are you using?

[@kirkdunn1379]

Big track s1000r is gone, short track super moto.......need a lot of space to use a 1000cc effectively

[@holmes1956O]

Not really I used to watch Rich Oliver on his 250cc yamaha gp bike embarrass 1000cc super bikes even at daytona. They would catch him on the straits but his corner speed was so high they couldn't keep up

[@LeeXRV]

The S1R is faster everywhere period, it's not even a discussion. It accelerates massively harder, can brake harder and has far more grip in the corners. It's not even a competition to put a S1R on track with a supermoto.

[@FJCharlie]

ahhh... difficult subject. youre lighter, youll outbrake and outmaneuver them in turns, but get eaten on straighs.. but you have some skills man, thas some riding! Loved it.

[@stefanschmidt3069]

Imagine he had a Husaberg FS650 …. great Riding !

[@koonzietwo]

Excellent video and very relevant. Or course skill matters, for the same rider, when it's straight, power wins out; when it's twisty, maneuverability wins out. Applies to any kind of craft. Here's the thing--isn't it the turns that make it fun?

[@JukkaX]

Going from 100 kmph to 250 kmph in few seconds is very much fun too ;- )

[@enibub]

Pulse goes up, adrenaline rises, breathing harder...and then I realize, that I am just sitting in my chair watching this guy riding his bike god-like! 👍

[@PH-dr8ed]

Street bike is slower in the turns due to lack of skill and not trusting his tires, then powers out once straightened up a bit. The dirt bike loses a lot of ground on the straights due to lack of horsepower, but he’s able to keep his momentum up in the turns to-the point that the street bikes are in his way! Fun to watch tho!

[@justanothernoobe]

mate - your riding skills and confidence are nuts! Hat off, sir, hat off ... 👍👍👍👍

[@tommyt9519]

Wow! I just bought a RC390 race prepped bike for track days. Maybe I should have just put SM wheels & tires on my 350 EXC-F!

[@stephenpheonix6549]

That’s some awesome riding! I was leaning with every corner LOL

[@iitsturbo]

This quality 🫶🏼

[@FlashFlash-tb6vf]

You're a phenomenal rider. That is a tight track. I would be faster on my R 1250 GS than my prior ZX10R

[@redspaderacing]

Making short work of all the big bikes in the corners 🙌🔥

[@scotthutcheson1893]

Your skill on the track is unbelievable!!!!

[@Chaos_God_of_Fate]

I way prefer light nimble bikes over power- great vid! Give me a tuned 250 any day over a liter bike! I really prefer a balance though- the Ninja 636's are my favorite Bikes, closely followed by the older 750 Ninjas with the double round headlights- I mostly like them for their looks though, the 636 has it all though! Love my handling over my power- having both is always good too though!

[@Forged_RSV4]

You’re a beast man! Sick video

[@dejandezman6139]

I think torque also plays a part. The Supermoto motorcycle develops its maximum torque at lower revs than the S1000 RR, which is an advantage on a track with many turns (even sharp ones). That's why you can brake later because you gain the necessary speed earlier when exiting the corner. On a more open track, with less twisty corners, the S1000 RR has the advantage.

[@johnmignano7872]

Supermoto is fun, nibble, power to weight ratio makes it a serious contender around the corners 😆😅😂🤣

[@gcgcgcgcgcgcgcgc]

A joy for the eyes.. my compliments

[@head0927]

At the end of the day most of us may think we could race (we couldn’t) a supermoto would be best for everyday riding. Not to mention how much more fun you could have if your bike is set up correctly.

[@memento_moto]

pretty sick - streets of willow is one of my fav tracks

[@SunZoo-h8r]

Arrrrrh the corners, great riding !

[@XeJuice]

What a beast to keep up with that 1000 in corners obviously he is out on the straights but u constantly catch him which imo in pretty insane

[@MotoAtheist]

LOL! Can you not see the sporties weren't pushing anything? This was a general riding session, not a race. The SM guy was the only one who decided to fake race a bunch of people riding a general session.

[@oakkblackbird]

Is that you with the 65hp dirt bike @IamCarsonn?? If so, you are fucking awesome! 👍

[@AntiPattern328]

That is pretty sick!!! Is that a 701, 450 or what on the SuperMoto?

[@IamCarsonn]

SMR 450

[@유경재-o2q]

Each position and purpose is different, so it can't be compared to who is faster on the road. Just enjoy it each^^♡

[@haywired1112]

Depends upon the track and riders

[@patmclean1951]

This is way closer than I was expecting.

[@TheCarPassionChannel]

What a great battle

[@jared8324]

Lol Considering there was only 1 straightaway on the whole track of turns

[@mrbritcoinnakamoto2793]

Looking at this super moto all day long being that is a very open track with long stretches you wouldn’t have any trouble on a tight track

[@rideshareog]

I loved my MZ Mastiff & KTM Duke II over all bikes I've owned.

[@suryanshpundir6179]

whats the tyre profile

[@MrLacomaco]

As you could see, it depends on who is riding. The guy on the green bike got away from him so that he just couldn't catch up to the end. Talking about whether supermoto or superbike is faster is irrelevant. Supermoto is made for fun and its setup is somewhere else than superbike. If you put your peers against each other, the superbike will win every time. Unless you're racing on a go-kart track.

[@MotoAtheist]

Also helps to alert the other riders that he was going to fake race them. This was clearly a general riding session, everyone was just out there relaxing and enjoying their ride, not racing. Well, except for SM guy... LOL!

[@EnglertRacing96]

Not just go kart. Sm won pikes peak outright in 07 and 08.

[@MotoAtheist]

@@EnglertRacing96 LOL! In it's class you mean. Aprilia Tuono V4 1100 won the heavyweight class and the overall fastest time of any motorcycle class. 9:44.963

[@EnglertRacing96]

@MotoAtheist read carefully, 2008, davey durelle set the fastest 2 wheel time of all motorcycles in 2008. And he backed it up in 2009. Key difference from today..... there was a mile or so of dirt at the top back then.

[@EnglertRacing96]

@@MotoAtheist look it up type 2008 pikes peak davey durelle into google, he was 23 seconds faster than the 1200 class winner.....

[@Honda_sev]

This is awesome! It's wild how much faster in the corners you are. I get the weight difference but does it make it faster being taller? Having the center of gravity being further from the contact point on the road have anything to do with it? Like is the SM more planted in the corner?

[@Billy2w]

Depends on who is the better and faster rider 😂😂

[@jvillain9946]

and the track layout

[@caveyful]

Light often beats might where vehicles are concerned.

[@Diabeekei]

Do you think a supermoto is a worth it buy? I’ve been debating getting one to add to my current stable, 2023 Z H2 SE, 2023 Sportster S and 2023 TNT135. And would you rec the KTM 690 over the Duc 698?

[@johnrynders6116]

Nice riding, great lines and somehow you stayed off the rev limiter (mostly).

[@jarikinnunen1718]

Old good advice to novice rider, was buy dirt bike and modified it to for track race. Many succesful rider began with dirt bikes in ice track (Jarno Saarinen). You are fast or not, with it.