Mclaren MP4-12C to Ferrari 458 Italia Comparison

[@Silverdew125]

The mp4-12c is actually my dream car

[@seththeamazing2563]

Luke Devison somebody woke up in a dumpster

[@MW-ii5nb]

From my experience in driving road car's the question is not what car is better, but what car makes YOU more happy.

[@LARENZFAIR]

I prefer the Italia 458 any day.

[@NPCkabam]

Mclaren spent years of the mp4-12c. It is better than the 458 and no one can tell me otherwise.

[@jthebeastnkbfk8868]

Positively Right no one but I can

[@ALIEN0493]

The Mclaren is better but the Ferrari isn't shit.

[@nufsu]

how do you know that?

[@jthebeastnkbfk8868]

Nick-Eazy you ain't shit

[@chrismurtha87]

eighteenallday nkbfkmk he means it isn’t that bad of a car.

[@DoctaM3]

I agree @superspeedersRob. I drove the Mclaren MP4-12C and I thought ahead of time I was going to hate it. I loved it.... I need to load the footage from Pebble Beach--the car laid down some serious power and annihilated some pretty serious sports bike. Much respect to it. Thanks for loading this video.

[@dave45032]

Finally someone says it! People just want to bring up that soul bs when they can't find any glaring issues on the MP-4 lol...

[@HopUp97]

lets face it, you want soul you go for the classics, you want quality and performance you go to Mclaren. You wanna be justin beiber you get the Ferrari 458.

[@Mekhi311]

Brandon SerrNo hold bro I love the 458 but there is no way in hell I wanna be like Justin Beiber!!! 😂😂

[@masselite11]

The guys have never drivin these cars. They just listen to what the guys on top gear say

[@steffydog]

Funny, first moan was "more things to go wrong on the 458" then you fiddle with some non handle release on the 12c, priceless!

[@hershey42696]

you point out the exhaust aerodynamics of the mclaren but then down talk the 458s aero features which are some of the best in the world. both cars are great but such a biased comparison. the 12c is not a clear winner as you make it seem, it can go either way on preference. don't call it a comparison if you hate on one car and praise the other just because you don't like a brand

[@hershey42696]

and you don't even drive the 458 or show the features that you do on the 12c

[@chasewalker8596]

Hershel Patel But the main point of this was to talk about only the MP4 Mclaren

[@michaellui74]

great video as alway's. can u tell me how reliable Mclaren are?? thanks

[@michaelmich00]

driving with the doors open!!! u changed my way of thinking!!! omg im gonna take a mclaren in 20years

[@KeoniSanchez]

I would take the McLaren too. But the 458 is still amazing too!

[@Tun1NGManiac]

Three and a half years after this rant on Ferrari you went and bought a brand new 488. Why?

[@SnowWhiteMR2]

Looking into getting a 12C and just doing some research. Thanks for the video! I do like the styling of the 458 better, but the 12C seems like far more for the money used, and is actually faster. Ferrari has had... fragile interiors for decades. What maintenance/repair issues does the 12C have?

[@jsn593]

if you can just go for a 650s/spider its basically a better version of the mp4-12c and looks like a p1 in the front and a 12c in the back 570s is the cheapeast mclaren thats still being made but if you have the money than the 650s is a great deal but the mp4 isnt that bad

[@SnowWhiteMR2]

josh heredia Thanks for the input, but the 650S is over budget.

[@jsn593]

if you ever need to know anything just go through this

[@CO_EVO_8]

Have you thought about getting an R35 or the new viper?

[@hesco0528]

what about the ferrari ff? any thoughts?

[@shobin05]

Obviously people on the internet can talk shit about either cars all day long but the fact is that this guy has owned these cars so he probably knows a lot more about them than you ever will. And the added fact that he actually owns a lot more than these cars.

[@sexy350Zowner]

Rob you are awesome, great video! And thanks for uploading a few videos per week istead of 1 video every 3 months.

[@AidanBenny]

when you go around a corner in the McLaren the inner wheels brake so it can go around the corner a lot more sharper.

[@michelfortin7055]

Yes but this is a mixed blessing. It becomes very expensive on brake pads and they are expensive!

[@AidanBenny]

it doesn't do it if your just driving on the streets, it only does it when you put it into race mode.

[@michelfortin7055]

You are right if you are driving on the street but I take my car to the track and the rear inner wheel braking engages in any mode. In fact if you put it in Track mode it does it to a lesser extent than the other two modes (Sport and Normal). Track mode turns off most of the protection and aids but not the rear braking, it just tones it down.

[@MrOTBxTrains]

isnt molded carbon fiber less strong than layered sheets of it?

[@fcukyourmother]

what an awesome honest review covering stuff that magazines car and driver etc dont even cover. I knew this car had so much more and this has changed my opinion of it. Awesome.

[@BadDFWDrivers]

Great review. Nice to see someone who's had the 458 long term, do a review.

[@unr3alGaming]

Hi Rob, I know you said before you read fan comments, but I have no idea which ones, but I'll put in my two cents anyway. I agree with you about the McLaren being a better car. One of the reasons people can legitimately say that the McLaren has no "soul" is because it's made in a very, sterile, bland, cold looking factory with the highest tech equipment humanly possible, and they strive for absolute perfection. I'd like to imagine that if one of the stitches on the upholstery in the car was out of place, they'd rip out the entire interior and do the whole thing over again. Ferraris give you that old, home grown fuzzy feeling when you look at them, symbolizing decades upon decades of great racing heritage. It's something you feel with all of their great cars. I think that's the "Je ne sais quoi" that people can't really put into words. So they use words like "soul" and "passion". That being said, I believe that words like "soul" and "passion" are trite buzzwords that are now another way of saying that the door handles are going to fall off. Some of the most memorable Lamborghini's, Ferrari's and and Fiats are built with soul and passion, and they're actually terribly built. Some others Lamborghinis however are styled by the Italians, but are built by Audi, so everything is put together correctly. I will say that the Ferrari 458's air vents are the bottom are actually well thought out in design and they do serve a meaningful purpose that allows it to corner better, go faster, cool the brakes, etc, but yes, they're pretty plastic-ey. Regardless of all that information and philosophical debating, if someone had to pick between the two on a factual basis of which would be a better car to live with and use over a prolonged period of time, it would be the McLaren. It rides much better, each one is built well, they don't have wide spread problems with catching fire on a hot day, it's more precise and it's overall better value because of those things. Comfortable, fast, built to last, and a good badge for that matter. I don't see anything wrong with that. Honestly I'd rather own one just based on the fact that it's more exclusive. A ton of people who have sports cars own Ferrari's (and fun fact: 82% of first time Ferrari owners get one in red), so I'd like to stand out from the crowd a little. Keep up the good videos, Rob. You have a great channel.

[@michelfortin7055]

Well said Predatordes. I've owned a 2014 12C Spider for a year now and all I can say is Phenomenal! I was considering the 458 before finalizing my decision and I am very happy to have chosen McLaren. After having driven both cars, I can't say that the 458 is a bad car, simply that the British made a superior, better looking product.

[@michaelz1330]

Eh. I've recently traded in my 2014 Mclaren MP4-12C Spider for a Huracan, I purchased the mclaren with 1400 miles on it, soon later.. the A/C display goes dim to the point where I cant see how cold / warm I'm putting the AC to. I take it to Beverly Hills Mclaren Service center... they fix it, bring it back to me.. and the A/c would not work, it'd bring in only heat, they said that the radiator was broken? I took it back a week after.. they fixed it, brought it back to me... I then thought the car was all good.. but shortly after I kept seeing coolant dripping , along with some oil, what was just drops turned into a puddle. I took it to service center.. they had to replace the engine clamps and had to insert a NEW transmission because that was where the oil was dripping from and supposedly they couldn't patch that, so It took them 2 weeks to get that fixed. At that time I also had them tweak the doors because they were VERY hard to close [in public It looked like I was abusive to the car because I had to slam the doors to make them shut ] . They also replaced my touch screen display, reason being was it was very hard to the touch. When you touch it... it wont respond, making it useless.. and I had to get that fixed. In all, I owned that car for 9 months and BARELY put down 2000 miles on it, it was always in and out of the service center. I don't think they are reliable at all, I think they're totally opposite! Sorry for the rant but just wanted to say that when I saw you say they have no problems... [BTW when I also had purchased the car the headlights were VERY fogged.. I asked them if they can be fixed. they said "no all mclarens have fogged headlights we can't replace them ] .

[@michelfortin7055]

Michael Z Like you I did have a leaky transmission and a faulty aircon but both were fixed rapidly and satisfactorily. At the end of last summer I changed my 12C for a 650S because of the upgrade of power and mechanical tweaks. I have had no problems yet with that one.

[@michaelz1330]

Michel Fortin Im guessing the 650s is where all the problems were fixed, but gosh I thought I just had a bad lemon but I guess all 12c's endured these problems?

[@michelfortin7055]

Not sure if all the 12Cs had the same problems but I have to admit that regardless of these, I've had an absolute blast on the track with it. But you are right they seem to have fixed the problems with the 650S. To their credit, McLaren has bent over backwards to correct anything wrong with the car. Furthermore, all the problems with the car seemed to have been related to small manufactured parts like hoses, bolts, seals or clamps which I am certain are not manufactured by McLaren but contracted out.

[@Nickelsxx]

This is not even a comparison, its just you talking shit about a Ferrari and then you talking up the 458

[@MystikAzn4vr]

My 2008 Camy seats and window button still works perfect and has no wear at all =)

[@christiangarcia9948]

Wtf is camy

[@MystikAzn4vr]

christian garcian Camry.

[@TheLifeGiver]

Carny is a term for people who work at Carnivals.

[@hurtsmyworld]

How does the company decide what the next vehicle in the fleet will be?

[@marcusaurelius200516]

How did you get into this Rob? I love what you do. At least from the videos it looks like you are living my dream. I love cars and racing but I am not sure where to start. What do you do for work? Is it just the videos and that's it? Or do you have a regular job? Or what?

[@sa10maxpower]

What was wrong with the SLR Mclaren?

[@KLRGT500KR]

458 Italia sounds bazillion times better than the MP4. Period. The MP4 still sounds like a vaccum cleaner and I have heard it in real life.

[@BestQUikScoper]

Why the horn goes off when you touch the car? @superspeedersRob

[@staceybass957]

Great review and I would also take the Mac over the Ferrari anyday! Regards Surrey. England

[@connorstewart225]

Where's the viper review?

[@TheHusky9]

Great video! I've always been waiting for a comparison like this, people have said the 12C is a boring quiet car, but I heard one go past the other day and it was so loud it shook my windows!

[@MrDerrickChan]

secondly, how many people shift when the steering wheel is 1/4 turned?

[@cavking1]

Why does the number plate need to be covered?

[@Millennial1031]

Come up to Greenwhich often?

[@moorerobbie40]

Rob Ferrettii getting into the car review game? I like it. Being in the rental business your in a unique position to give us a chance to hear how these cars hold up with miles on them. I'd love to see you keep putting videos out like this. I bought all the super speeders videos and have loved watching them over and over again. But when your in Cali next you should hit up Matt Farah and say of few things on TST Podcast. Thank for the videos though, I'd love to see more footage of your ACR Viper

[@JakeTheSnakeProductions]

The MP4 is one of the most sophisticated super cars to come out in a long time, & one of the reasons why is because of the clever suspension it has.

[@KwasiAU]

Love all the superspeeders videos Rob, keep up the good work mate!

[@AlmightyGTR]

you forgot to mention the pre-loading gear setup with twin trigger on the paddle shift. That's cool.

[@PMMODS]

he picked that up from the dealer who let me turn it on and rev it inside the show room. all glass room instantly fogged up haha. great vid

[@zilverzero]

this was a great video. really enjoyed rob's opinions and he gave solid insight

[@raddestdoctor]

does the license plate say XP 929?

[@carlylespicks]

That is what I said though. "Which one you LIKE is subjective, but how it drives is not.". You can like or dislike it, but a car that slides less at same speed as another is actually better. A car that accelerates faster IS better even if you think throttle response is rough. A car that flies over a big bump like it's nothing IS better than one that terrifies you in same situation. I don't LIKE the smooth 458 shifting, but it IS better than my slower E-Gear that I prefer.

[@n00bstacle]

i saw this car a few days ago in Toronto and it was the most beautiful car i'v ever seen in my life! it's a true work of art in car form!

[@JuanHarvardGabriel]

What do you do for a leaving?

[@diverdude3112]

How do you like the Koenigsegg Agera R?

[@sonotover]

Thanks for the video Rob.

[@blackberry3987]

I think the plate is AT 929 or AP 929.

[@jiovellantigua5714]

That start up for the Mclaren made my heart skip 3 beats! sexy car

[@oskarsbmx]

I was in Manhattan, Time Square last night. Saw a guy driving McLaren exactly like this. When I heard the sound, I thought it was a motorcycle, but when I saw it's MP4, was like holy smokes.

[@PwnageJ]

yes, i also like the SLR Mclaren.... i just want to know what made him think that it sucks

[@RJ-hi6qm]

Thinking about trading in my 11 V8 Vantage for a 12 McLaren MP4 12C.. Good upgrade?

[@BullrockMcHammergeil]

god no

[@RJ-hi6qm]

BullrockMcHammergeil What do you mean? Please, elaborate.

[@xDRAN0x]

Nice to hear a different opinion, thanks for posting the video.

[@JohnnyRehabb]

Oh man this guy speaks the truth. i love both cars in more ways than one, each are stunning and show stoppers. but the mp4 is just so functional and smart and still sounds awesome

[@Mrcandyman121]

What do you do for a living? how do you afford all these cars?

[@seth4321]

If I were in the market for a supercar in the price range of the 458/12C, I feel that I would lean a bit towards the 12C. With Ferrari, you get the prestige of the brand the gorgeous, iconic deep red that will turn heads on the street. However, I feel that I see 458's more often than 12C's. I've seen a few 458's in my life, but only one 12C. If you have the money to buy a supercar and buy a Ferrari, I feel that the general reaction would be "of course" (not in a cynical fashion). With a McLaren, it's more a statement of "I want an incredible, capable race car." And will probably generate more questions from the average person that only knows the brands Lamborghini and Ferrari.

[@eclypse3d]

Well to be honest what you said makes no sense, so is the 458 better than a yugo?

[@navyrotc2012]

so what do you do for a living

[@jshaw6600]

The carbon fiber itself isn't injected into the mould. The carbon fiber sheets are laid out onto the mould and the resin is vacuum pumped into it. This is then thrown into an autoclave to cure.

[@QKewQ25]

I respect this guy to voice his opinions. And not suck up to the car makers to keep them onside. Like chris Harris.

[@KpopNiDontStop]

Rob u got the perfect voice to play a mob boss in a movie.

[@haomiaoliu]

What if you try drifting with those two cars, then tell me which car is better?

[@jemmyhadar]

Rob what do you do for a living how did you get to where you are now?

[@willdavidsonakawd3062]

this a beauty. do you only buy super cars? how did you get started in the business of buying and renting out all these gorgeous super cars?

[@xAtomicTwinkiEx]

That is true, I agree with all of them (except for the GTR), GTR is too robotic to be a drivers car. The Corvette and Viper can improve on a lot, but I'm incredibly confident in the new Corvette Stingray. I mean GM has done a lot with Cadillac recently, it wouldn't surprise me if they did the same with the Corvette. What I mean is that the Corvette, Viper, and 911 are the closest you can get to the road, without any intervention. It's basically you, and the car, and that's why I love them.

[@BC4Lyphe]

I think when they say things like "soul" and "character" I think what they mean is it breaks or its finicky or it has little quirks to it.

[@MyCatInABox]

The whole "McLaren having no soul" came from an episode of Top Gear....incidentally the same episode said of the McLaren that it was "perfection".

[@MrLaxattack3]

Where do u guys get all this money

[@AirsoftDreviews]

Bro ur in englewood I used to live in northvale its near that.

[@ANathan123]

I would take the mclaren any day! Its my dream car

[@stewyshaw]

This could easily be an audition video for Top Gear. I think where they inject the fibre into a shape instead of a sheet is called chopped strand.

[@fcukyourmother]

dude this is the best review ... i thought both cars are very even ish but you have clarified on the build quality .... to own it would always be a mac and to hire it MIGHT be a ferrari...

[@beatking5608]

Where do you get all this money?

[@oMLB4Lo]

"And the leather wears.....Leather wears like its a 1963 cadillac" LMFAO!

[@MrThatsYe]

best line ever @ 2:15 LMAO

[@nofearRC1]

If I was ever fortunate enough to choose a super car to buy, I think I would choose the Mclaren. Sure, the 458 might be tons of fun for a few days, but as a car to live with for years to come, the 12C is much more practical. It bridges the gap between reliability and super car insanity!

[@someusername121]

He's featured it in multiple videos where he could say it sucks for a few reasons. I'd say it sucks just by the fact that it had to be declared totaled because of a bit of fender damage.

[@dudelivestrong]

What is this guys profession?

[@bjorken113]

BMW 530d.... but i have driven the 458 and other similar cars like lp570... and you?

[@raddestdoctor]

nice video. i love hearing people who aren't enamored and blinded by the ferrari's glory speak frankly about their cars

[@NOLAItsNotOva]

@VancouverExoticx Actually the Corvettes will statt out at just $50,000. Which is really good value for the money. Also, with these foreign cars, things WILL be expensive when they break and youre outta the warranty.

[@element509]

Oh, for sure if its that old, considering its mileage and how its been taken care of, it probably is worth that much. If it were me I would sell the vette and get that Mclaren. Personally I like them more than vettes, but thats just my opinion, and it still sounds like a badass car.

[@DnBDubstepManiak1]

Mclaren mp4-12c is my favorite car of all times. and i've seen alot of video's by people that are used to drive supercars and take them to their limits. alot of them say the mclaren also has the best handling.

[@Boglenet]

Corvette has been doing really well at Le Mans recently, america actually has some of the best handling cars in the world

[@literallyapotato]

I love how everyone is saying that Feretti's opinion counts for shit. Do you all not realise that he spends all day every day around these cars - driving them and renting them out through the supercar business he owns? This means that he has a HELL of a lot more knowledge and valuable opinion when it comes to these cars over all of you who have only read about them or perhaps MAYBE gotten a ride in one of them ONCE... This man essentially owns whole garages of these cars..

[@AutoYoung]

@Luke Taylor Says who? Would you honestly lose an mp4 in a parking lot? I don't think so. It's understated but keeps you looking. The Mclaren is a work of art, not just an attempt to make the wildest looking car. It's functional, gorgeous, and effing FAST! It's the perfect supercar.

[@dylanpowell3213]

I prefer MP4-12C to 458 any day of the week

[@italianboy300]

but i still wonder anyone can open ur or u need to wear something so it can read it to open it

[@bikerfreak2000]

The only reason people hate on the Mclaren is because Jeremy Clarkson hated on it, even saying it has no soul. Most of these people have never driven anything other than their moms minivan or their slammed CRX. Having driven both, I prefer the Mclaren over the 458. But i'd take a 430 Scuderia over both. Just something raw and organic about it that I love.

[@Spartan890]

How can cooking delicious barbecue on the go be looked at as a negative?

[@dume79]

Great comparison, the average driver would never be able to get as much performance out of the Ferrari as they would a maclaren. That said they are both great cars

[@SteveVai999]

you should try the nissan gtr alpha10 ou 9

[@grisellimay]

How can you say the SLR sucked? That was a beautiful piece of craftsmanship The only bad about it was cabin tech and brakes

[@troncat4604]

those ppl who said it has no soul obviously watched the top gear episode for it

[@tylerwalker2]

rob should be a car salesman for mclaren.... cuz now if i had the money id buy me one of these things ;)

[@RobinsM]

Best qoute about Ferraris: "Its amazing all these facilities and you build a piece of crap like this?!" - Niki Lauda

[@MichaelD3Santa]

The reason people mention soul when they compare a ferrari with any other car of its class is because of the history of ferrari. The prestige, the heritage that Enzo ferrari built from the ground up. The Mclaren is all about corners and downforce and lines that are as exact as a swiss watch. That's why people mention soul. Ferrari = Auguste Rodin = Masterpiece. Mclaren = CPU = Numbers carried out to a billion places. I think both are great. Depends on what each individual likes.