Supreme Court hears arguments on dispute over Idaho abortion ban

[@losangelesrams3472]

Alito and Thomas are terrible jurists.

[@notoriousPeanut]

It’s amazing how two people can have so much power.

[@Adrian_IronMan]

Justice Alito needs to retire or quit.

[@dddebz]

1:12:30 I don’t see any way a woman who loses her ability to have future children or who must undergo the horror of birthing their own brother will get any kind of “action & equity” to recover damages in a forced birth. People who think forced pregnancy and forced birth doesn’t do irreparable harm simply do not care about the pregnant person at all.

[@ASDFUIL]

Can the baby recover damages from being killed?

[@phillynurse9492]

@@ASDFUIL Can the mother recover damages from being killed by her pregnancy?

[@patrickmuro5778]

@@ASDFUIL What baby? A fertilized egg? A fetus with terminal birth defects? A fetus that has died in utero? A woman whose water has burst with no chance of the fetus surviving? A fetus inside a ten year old girl? Putting living human beings in danger because of a religious conviction about developing cells, cannot be the law, that's the bulk of these arguments.

[@dsmith3199]

They not only don't care about the pregnant women, they don't care about the embryo/fetus either. This has nothing to do with life. It's about control. Many of these judges and lawmakers are unapologetic supporters of the death penalty. They also support the idea of parent's rights, even when parental decisions increase the chance of a minor commiting suicide, or suffering other harmful effects from their parent's choices. These judges and lawmakers are all hypocrites

[@dsmith3199]

They don't just care about the pregnant person, they also don't care about the embryo/fetus/potential child either. These same judges and lawmakers are almost all unapologetic supporters of the death penalty. They also support parental rights, even when parent's choices increase the risk of childhood suicide and other serious potential harms. This is only about calus control. They are all hypocrites.

[@BluSkyOne1]

what happened to limited government? now you want the state to decide whats best for a patient not the doctor? All I am hearing when you speak is Sic Semper Tyrannis!

[@dddebz]

1:03:57 as if Justice Alito doesn’t understand how the spending clause withholds federal funds for treatments he doesn’t like! He just doesn’t want that sword to cut both ways & is playing dumb. 1:07:42 the brain is an organ. The brain is a physical body part. Mental health is health. Jeebus these good ol’ aw shucks “physical” health vs “mental” health false conflicts make me nuts.

[@dddebz]

1:32:07 Justice Alito sides on the “parental rights to decide” on educational & disciplinary matters that many would find abusive or coercive *except* when the child isn’t yet born or breathing on its own. Ick.

[@jessetorres8738]

I'm from Texas & when I was a kid I had a relative who gave birth in the 6th month, but sadly the child didn't live long because their organs weren't fully developed. My relative later found out that she had a blood condition that she was prescribed medication for & was able to have another child. Ever since then before I even knew what Roe V. Wade was my thoughts on being "pro-life" vs. "pro-choice" have always been abortion is fine in the 1st & 2nd trimesters since it's likely the child can't survive outside the womb on their own, but in the 3rd trimester it depends on if the birth will effect the life of the mother.

[@phillynurse9492]

In Pennsylvania the law for preterm (22-24 weeks) aborted babies born alive (breath, purposeful movement, pulsating umbilical cord) will be resuscitated. Preterm abortions are required to have a separate team just for the baby in event the child is alive at the time of induction and delivery. You can stabilize the mother and save the child in Pennsylvania. Pennsylvania has hospitals that have fetal hospice units for mothers to bond with their babies for these unfortunate scenarios.

[@annreynolds2048]

We're going about this wrong. We're trying to appeal to the Supreme Courts better nature. What we need to do is point out the HIGHER COST to INSURANCE COMPANIES for a doctor to try and save a woman's life. Risking septicemia, possibly losing limbs, being in the ICU trying to stabilize her life, has to COST a LOT MORE than having an abortion as soon as a problem is noticed. Get an insurance adjuster to work the cost comparison, and the Republicans will finally listen.

[@kevinp1972]

💯

[@floodgatestudios1825]

The General is Sooo good! So smart and so prepared! She points out the bone headed thinking of the male justices.

[@DeeDeerae]

They are so messed up. Never tell us they are originalists or textualists again. Ever.

[@MasD1776]

This solicitor general is highly intellectual and arguably smarter than the justices. She is truly a powerhouse.

[@kristoffedwards6642]

The whole question is why would a medical practitioner allow their patient to reach a critical stage when prevention is better than cure? These regulations in women’s right to choose with their doctors is crazy.

[@jeffreyd700]

Your question doesn't make any sense.

[@ashleymarie6682]

1:03:41 Alito sounds like the attorney, the attorney sounds like the judge. She’s exactly right. He is confused and chasing his tail over and over, fishing. He is not doing his job one bit. I was raised in church, raised pentecostal and there is nothing but hate in Thomas and Alito. Pure evil and ignorance. The worst possible combination to possess in such a high position of authority. Very sad.

[@miguelp]

The moronic example of states regulating opioids or marijuana differently disregards the obvious fact that organ loss or serious health conditions never result from such treatment limitations.

[@phillynurse9492]

1:31:14 There isn’t a conflict with PROM what part don’t they understand? Pre viability means the pregnancy can’t be saved!!!! There’s no reason to fly a patient to another state for that treatment. The insurance companies are going to leave the state they’re not going to keep paying for that transport, and the families are going to be bankrupt from the flight bill alone! These men are just dumb🤦🏾‍♀️

[@Nathaniel64]

A doctors primary concern should be their patients! Wtf doctors already have to deal with too much. The law should take a step back and learn about human cost and death!

[@marydenk2457]

It’s funny hearing lawyers argue about medical care. They don’t know what they are talking about. It’s all words. Situations require actions. Not words!

[@notoriousPeanut]

The action is inaction.

[@kevinp1972]

Idaho is telling hospitals to follow state law when federal law says they need to provide treatment. In many of the parts of Idaho there is no ob GYN, now the ER cannot treat you either. Idaho sure loves the unborn and doesn't respect the women that birth those kids.

[@Elaine-r1t]

Abortion should be decided by women justices. Only. Till men get pregnant, anyway

[@nict6549]

If you can not have children due to your biology,then you should not be allowed to speak in this case. This is about women and their bodies, not some object for you to make laws for! I’m so sick of the men in cases like these.

[@leeedens9497]

This is what happens when lawmakers make laws for healthcare instead of medical professionals making decisions about healthcare, if you dont have an MD (doctor of medicine) you have no business making decisions about anyone's healthcare, way to make lawmakers are simply out of touch with laws they write and are pushing, hence, why I vote in every election

[@jaredoaks]

“I just don’t think…I don’t understand how, how the theory works…but let me move on to something else.” 🙄

[@dddebz]

1:22:52 yes, Justice Gorsuch has finally articulated the crux of inequality for Medicaid / Medicare recipients. Unrelated to EMTALA, the full spectrum of quality and necessary medical care is absolutely dictated by the federal government through the spending clause and is unavailable to people lacking cash to pay directly.

[@Elaine-r1t]

The gop will cancel the second ammendment if you let them.

[@markg.7865]

No, they would argue for unlimited 2nd amendment rights.

[@dsmith3199]

They don't just care about the pregnant person, they also don't care about the embryo/fetus/potential child either. These same judges and lawmakers are almost all unapologetic supporters of the death penalty. They also support parental rights, even when parent's choices increase the risk of childhood suicide and other serious potential harms. This is only about calus control. They are all hypocrites.

[@dsmith3199]

Alito's comment about "unborn child" being in emtala = judicial overreach and activism of the highest order, and it's based not on rational thought, or concern for the health of all parties involved, but rather on dogma and a disregard for a women's right to receive appropriate medical care to save her life and/or preserve her health. What a callus and misogynistic opinion to hold.

[@dsmith3199]

Give me a break. Alito is clearly suggesting in his comments that the health of the pregnant woman should be subordinate to the potential viability of a fetus. It's draconian and plainly shows his hypocrisy surrounding pregnant women's healthcare.

[@kristoffedwards6642]

Can we take a moment to recognize the legal prowess of the solicitor general?

[@taras5534]

She’s a force! 🙌🏽

[@ashleymarie6682]

1:30:41 Alito successfully completely lost his case in this moment… oh wait. Hes not anyone’s counsel. 🤔 seems that way. He still lost the case 🤣

[@fadingfrost2617]

Who pays for the airlifts to take these patients out of state? Let me guess: The patient?

[@Elaine-r1t]

These lunatic fringe judges need removal

[@ovenfreshhhhh]

tell me more about EMTALA lmaoooo none of these people are pediatric emergency physicians 😂 goodbhe

[@TheMiccoliGroup]

Technology changed in the blink of an eye yet her legs are still up in the sky while the nurse tells her to slide down lower and the doctor holds his vacuum like it's a damned Hoover It takes a seed and his came by the thousands and it's her who they want to send to prison because she's free but no not really and it's her body but not really So she can't drive and she can't vote and high school's feels like a damned joke but then she's got a doctor's note, and she's holding her doll while her belly starts to poke It's not your fault, baby girl and it shouldn't be your burden to carry when his sentence is to force you to marry your abuser and the state will accuse her because it's her body but no not really and it's her right don't be petty when his seed comes by the thousand and he still gets to walk freely She watches witch burnings on tv and she hides in the alley not wanting to be seen a hanger in one hand and a needle in the other she's not ready to be anyone's mother and it's her life but no not really it's her body don't be petty he held her down like so many others it's his seed one in thousands Must she die to save her baby who will care for the millions already he walks the street feeling so cocky claims he's innocent like it's his destiny He walks into the office he sits at the table he lives his life like Cane met Able It's his seed one in thousands he feels no shame and feels entitled So who is trapped in this economy when all the world loves new technology should she bear society's hypocrisy when it's her body but no not really and it her right don't be so petty it's her life and what she needs is to be set free

[@theexample5594]

Close your legs

[@MrJmac925]

Wow… council really knows his stance front and back. Go Idaho!

[@carolyns3720]

What you are saying is so evil

[@carolyns3720]

Are you cheering Idaho on putting women’s lives at risk?

[@MrJmac925]

@@carolyns3720 did you even listen to the call? Idaho doesn’t and will not put a woman’s life at risk who is pregnant

[@carolyns3720]

@@MrJmac925that’s a lie. Six women have had to be airlifted OUT of the state to get their medical needs met

[@kevinp1972]

​@@carolyns3720 why did Idaho stop tracking material deaths?

[@ASDFUIL]

No, there is no federal right to abortion in the Constitution, nor in any law passed by Congress, including EMTALA.

[@dawnr7798]

Abortion was legal when the Constitution was written. Emtala doesn’t have to list specifics either.

[@johnlewis9266]

There is if the abortion is required to preserve your health or life.

[@taylorshelp5046]

I stand with my state of Idaho!!!

[@kevinp1972]

Good for you, you must not have any personal connection with children bearing age in your life. Idaho will cost many women their life or their reputation. It is already happening.

[@CoolGuy89406]

I hope and pray if you have any daughters or nieces doesn’t get put in a situation where they could die in this situation

[@taylorshelp5046]

@@kevinp1972 I have granddaughters who are of child bearing years...nice try Karen.

[@kevinp1972]

​@@taylorshelp5046Do you not care that she could need treatment not available to pregnant females? How do you reconcile this in your head and heart? Thoughts and prayers to pregnant women in Idaho?

[@taras5534]

@@kevinp1972No he does not care. That’s the point. They don’t care if their women get serious health complications or die from pregnancies. This is who they are, we gotta come to terms with the fact that these are truly BAD people.