Supreme Court To Hear SHOCKING Homelessness Case | The Kyle Kulinski Show

[@joyfullone3968]

Jails and prisons are already the big Psychiatric Hospitals of the past. The way we treat the least among us speaks volumes about us as a people and a country.

[@roberthoeg1964]

The major problem in America with homelessness is very simple and the reality of it is that American people have no empathy not saying some of us don't but the majority of this country has zero amount especially landlords because a lot of them have no heart or sole.

[@apollothirteen9236]

The way the wealthy are treated tells the morality of a nation.

[@theywouldnthavetocensormei9231]

You don't end up in prison because you treat people well.

[@GreyOne13]

​@@theywouldnthavetocensormei9231 so existing while poor and destitute is an act of aggression?

[@dominicfucinari1942]

@@theywouldnthavetocensormei9231 Corporate prisons *wanted* to supplant mental health treatment centers and social services because that would be more people they could milk for free labor. It doesn't help that they preyed upon a public panic over a possibly crime-torn society where everyone's burying and mourning a child who fell prey to a serial killer, because now the apoliticals in the US think everyone who landed in prison is a complete monster on par with a cannibal.

[@SLAUGHTERAMA]

A lot of homeless shelters have really severe curfews and check in times. So if you find a graveyard shift job and can't be there at midnight to claim your bed, you lose it. Bedbugs, disease, theft, assaults all run rampant in shelters to the point where a lot of homeless people just feel safer out on the streets. Additionally, a lot of shelters require a valid ID for check in. You can't get an ID if you don't have a fixed address, and IDs cost money to issue. There are SO many problems with homeless shelters that nobody wants to talk about.

[@LilChuunosuke]

Yup I've been homeless before and one of the first and biggest pieces of advice you're consistently given is to never sleep in a shelter. That it's better and safer to sleep in a police holding cell than it is to sleep in a shelter. That's how dangerous, unhygienic, and inconvenient shelters are. They're only really for children, sick people, and theives.

[@Pistolita221]

​@@LilChuunosukea shocking number of people go to jail intentionally to escape the winter. Common capitalist w. Homelessness forces people to commit crimes.

[@willowtdog6449]

Many also only allow a person to stay a certain number of nights in a row. Not to mention all the other super-restrictive rules.

[@Davidsmith-lw8gb]

Yep and a bunch of them cram their religion down your thought.

[@barbaraibiel]

Oh, the id issue again.

[@jimbo1637]

The funniest part is thst in most states, a year of prison time costs more than a year of rent, food, and job training combined. If you're willing to spend the amount it costs to send homeless people to jail, why not spend that money in a way that might actually result in them getting back on their feet and contributing economically?

[@VoiceOfTheEmperor]

There's no Lobbyists for such a cause.

[@user-cr4pz5yg7y]

Cruelty is the point

[@sarahj6995]

Profit is the point.

[@borginburkes1819]

The country needs people to be imprisoned cuz the profit margins are too high.

[@DharmaPunk111]

Free labor for private prisons is why they are doing this. This is just slavery. They want to turn the unhoused people into slaves for their private prisons.

[@cliffordmeberg1443]

It’s cheaper to do the right thing. It’s cheaper to be kind. It’s cheaper to be a better human being. And so on.

[@ross4]

It’s depressing how when we’re talking about “homelessness policy” in this country, we aren’t talking about providing housing or social support, we’re talking about criminalizing sleeping outside and taking away lifesaving shelter like tents and blankets.

[@maclectic]

Providing housing or social support doesn’t do anything when the people will not stay in the housing or attend the social support programs

[@smokedbeefandcheese4144]

@@maclectic what you’re talking about though is care provided in bad faith that is currently what’s going on. You guys make Hell and expect people to live in it. If you think homeless shelters are so good you should go to sleep on those life leeching lice ridden mattress that’s the problem you guys make a fake shelter that isn’t real that doesn’t let you get employment because of the restrictive curfew and then you criminalize people for working Out at night and not being in a shelter.

[@eragon78]

@@maclectic Most people will. Those who dont its up to them. Plus, if you actually PROVIDE shelters to people, then you have a legitimate argument for making sleeping on the streets illegal since people always have a place to go if they need it. But instead, you're just straight up making homelessness illegal which is utter fucking nonsense.

[@dinorancher5560]

I am so scared for the unhoused during this country-wide winter storm. I do winter camping and it takes very specialized, often expensive, gear to survive the night.

[@Crazywaffle5150]

How can stimply not owning or renting property or living under a shelter be classified as crime? How can you be required by law to obtain property when you dont have the funds to do so? These laws could be abused toward people simply exising on public property without even being homless in the first place. Wtf?

[@Davidsmith-lw8gb]

The law is not applied equally. They use it to target the people they want.

[@thewhitefalcon8539]

That's the whole point. They want to kill everyone who won't be their slave, but when killing is impossible they'll settle for permanent imprisonment.

[@brittanycrawford731]

It’s like they want to reinstate debtors prisons even if u never had enough money to live anywhere to owe anyone money or acquire debt. Sick

[@smokedbeefandcheese4144]

Yeah it is a legal system not a justice system.

[@Gates9]

A lot of this was addressed in the Mental Health Systems Act which was repealed by Reagan. People are going to look back on the homeless crisis the same way we look at the way people were treated during the depression, the way people were treated during the civil rights era.

[@korpse6rinder]

Instead of housing them let's make the tax payer pay 25k to 75k a year per person to keep them in private prisons... This has nothing to do with kick backs, don't even look into it.

[@SactoShane]

What about all that free manual labor though

[@DanA-nl5uo]

If they criminalize homelessness then does eviction become a crime for rental companies?

[@middleagebrotips3454]

They are criminalizing becoming homeless, not causing someone to become homeless.

[@AbdulSoomro-kj5lt]

Of course not the corporations rule this country

[@52flyingbicycles]

No, getting evicted would be a crime though

[@exi8550]

you have it backwards. people would be immediately arrested when evicted and sent to jail

[@findingkelly]

@@exi8550 Unbelievable. People are struggling and instead of providing support, we're jailing them.

[@almosthelpless9374]

The real estate industry has a vested interest in making sure poor people don't have housing. We have enough vacant homes in the United States to solve this issue.

[@divinekitty1831]

​@@SY-qg6qn better a run-down, shitty house, than literally sleeping in a tent on the streets

[@bluemcneil5883]

All new development is mostly for upper class. Banks buy up homes to rent them indefinitely. Every bootstrap rise story is some shit dick who bought a second home or room and rented it. Perpetuating the cycle. Fuck this country cement the pipes, cooking oil down the drains fishes plastered in the walls. Destroy unaffordable property.

[@KnoTasItSeams]

There are a ton of large beach houses on the coast near me that are empty half the year. Complete waste of space.

[@bradleydawson9043]

Employers also use the threat of homelessness to coerce workers.

[@reidwhitton6248]

The government could repair the homes instead of giving Israel 14 billion to murder Palestinians.

[@verng8864]

Our corrupt greedy corporations should be forced to pay for the housing of the homeless in our country. They have benefited the greatest, and paid the least in taxes. Now it's their turn to help our country

[@blueberry-ri7eb]

Besos is a billionaire and pays no taxes. Tax the rich and build affordable apartments and services.

[@verng8864]

@@blueberry-ri7eb absolutely. The rich are screwing all of us over

[@larkrake1]

Churches first

[@WanderingExistence]

Just so people are aware the leading cause of homelessness is the high rate of housing prices. It is not a function of mental health instability nor drug addiction, it is mainly the unaffordability of housing, which needs to be addressed on a systemic level.

[@joshquayle1603]

Not disagreeing. But where did you get this information that the leading cause of homelessness is housing affordability?

[@WanderingExistence]

​@@joshquayle1603 Denver, CO is doing a privately funded UBI study ($50/mo, vs $1000/mo, vs $6500 upfront and $500/mo for 1yr) and that statistic was cited from the article reporting on the issue... Sorry cant remember the publication.

[@theywouldnthavetocensormei9231]

That's just plain untrue, drug addiction is the leading cause of homelessness, by a huge margin. The numbers are complicated, because there's rarely just one cause, it's usually several causes. But to pretend like it's just a product of the economy is dishonest. How do you explain people who aren't homeless? They live in the same economy.

[@MoneyMattersMoreThanYourVotes]

Pretty sure poverty is the leading cause of homelessness

[@WanderingExistence]

​@@MoneyMattersMoreThanYourVotes Poverty is a function of wages and costs... If the cost is too high than that causes poverty. Not saying you're wrong, just that there's more to thw story.

[@anniefitzgerald4447]

I live in a town in Western Washington's state that essentially did criminalize homelessness by making it illegal to beg on street corners anywhere in the city. When I confronted the mayor over this ordinance and I asked him to tell me what policies they have planned for helping the homeless population, he pushed off the responsibility onto the local churches and/or the Everett Gospel Mission in the next town over which is only accessible via bus or vehicle! He literally pushed it off to the next town!! Considering that I have been homeless before myself, his answer disgusted me and made me sick to my stomach. Republican policies at their finest.

[@kikibean2024]

Many homeless work but pay is 💩 and the rents are too high.

[@Natty183]

As a person with Asperger's and CPTSD after just being prey my entire life in different forms or another, I live in a suburban right now and I'm working a job i hope to make my career. I have some true psycopaths in my family and I'm only just getting my feet after going no contact with all of them. I'm in a state where the rent price is really insane and I'm learning to live in next to nothing and trying to save. I was attacked in a truck stop bathroom when i was brushing my teeth and it really triggered my CPTSD and i struggled for a month to talk to people. I'm stalked by police and in some cities I'm stalked by private vehicles. It doesn't happen everywhere but certain cities seem to literally stalk homeless people. I'm not sure why u was stalked in the last place. So far in the new city is just normal panopticon type feeling. It's terrifying to be homeless in America. I'm treated as less than human and my dream was to learn to organize a working class party and do grassroots art and information decimanation to help organize against corporate interests. I don't even want to. This isn't my country, I have not community, all help is terrifying and the opposite of help and will cause just insane problems and I'm not even sure why i would want to try to help a society that just wants me dead. F it. I listen to political opinions all day and we're f'd. We demonize each other, to the point of commiting atrocities. This is a gross country, not my country.

[@jarrodkober]

I was homeless in Colorado Springs and they had one shelter for adults. It was massively over crouded and shitty. If you did the slightest thing wrong you'd be banned for 2 days no matter how cold it was. They even kicked an elderly woman out in the middle of the night because she was acting up. She was mentally ill! But she froze to death that night. It's hard to sleep because everyone gets sick at once and it's non stop caughing all night. It also takes hours to check everyone in every night. So you're waiting in line in the cold to get in, getting snowed on. You also have to bring your own blanket and everything. If that gets taken away you might die from the cold. Pretending like the infrastructure is there is a horrible miscalculation or outright lie. I experienced it first hand. It's a horrific way to live and the people in tents don't want to deal with the shelter bullshit.

[@danhtran6401]

And regular people are tired of stepping on your shit. We already gave you food money, pay taxes so you can have lighted streets to piss on. You guys need to beg in Hollywood, where the rich are. Stop begging other poor people. Why should they work when you don't have to...

[@brittanycrawford731]

I’m sorry for your experiences. I’ve tried to help find resources for people in similar circumstances to your own for decades now and I’ve run into exactly what you all are describing. Shelter in my area u had to sign up a day in advance for the next night and ppl lined up all night to try to be one of the only 150 ppl to get on that list each day. Then the rules u all described same issues also etc.

[@jarrodkober]

@@brittanycrawford731 thank you, I ended up getting back into long term sobriety and off the streets. Didn't get the help I needed in Colorado but elsewhere. Homelessness is one of the worst and traumatic experiences someone can go through. It is dehumanizing. I wasn't choosing that. I was incredibly sick and mentally ill being an alcoholic bipolar off my meds. Most homeless folks are just sick and need help. People mostly treat you and all the other homeless people like garbage. It's obvious when you see them being shipped across the country and treated these ways. The whole point of a society is safety and taking care of eachother.

[@richardspillers6282]

I feel for you. My mother ended up there and I had to go get her. It took me quite a while to get her. That place was a cesspool. It was like being in a 3rd world country. Lots of addicts, lots of criminals, mingling with people just down on their luck. My mom is a double amputee and they were made to stay outside all day. I'm lucky I got her back. I could write a novel about the period of time.

[@jarrodkober]

@@richardspillers6282 I'm glad to hear that! My family is constantly greatful to have me back. On the other side of that equation- it hurts to be there and know your family is struggling and they have a higher standard of care for you etc. I'm personally a manic bipolar addict alcoholic. Went from being successful, had a great job and really nice place for 6 years and it all fell apart in just a couple months. It's hard not to be resentful especially when you're stuck in a shelter with other people that seem crazier than you. But we all got there one way or another being down on our luck, some sicker than others. I just needed some help and got it. But some of them are too sick to get themselves help, or see no way out. Overall we need much more social safety nets and help for all of us that have been or are currently experiencing homelessness. IMO it's largely mental health, disease and the brutal capitalism we live under. I wish people would see those less fortunate or sick more positively. People claim to be christians and despise the very people Jesus called for them to nurture.

[@marti7821]

Some of those shelters are full of bedbugs and violent people. My son was robbed and beaten in one in Chicago.

[@AlexaZamfira]

I almost got stabbed in a shelter because of jealous females in Chicago

[@Yaaasuko]

It is absolutely cruel to punish homelessness because we can literally cut a little bit of military spending to end homelessness in the entire country. Homelessness is a crisis in the US and it’s pathetic that we allow anyone to be homeless in the US.

[@dchenkin02]

A large amount of military spending isn't even paying soldiers and retired veteran benefits; it is corporate welfare to weapons manufacturing corporations. We absolutely could use the money to provide homeless citizens with infrastructure jobs.

[@Fabio-bu9bp]

Homelessness is a choice in some places. There are a lot of social programs to help homeless in cities like Denver. They cover all basic needs and give out special social workers to help with job applications and housing applications. Homelessness is from mental health and and drug addiction issue. Ending homelessness isn't possible

[@That_Freedom_Guy]

The entire point of capitalism is to establish and exploit difference so the economic engine can turn. Like voltage, no potential difference, no energy. The aspirational poor are the major drivers of the economy. Seeking a greater income is big business.

[@bluemcneil5883]

​@@Fabio-bu9bpyou can end unaffordable homelessness and slow the trickle train to drugs and mental health deterioration. You don't think seeing housing as an unaffordable dream doesn't lead you to just give up?

[@yishnir]

​@@bluemcneil5883He's simply lying. Other countries have successfully 'solved' homelessness simply by providing housing, a stipend, counseling, and job training. And it's cheaper for the taxpayers.

[@iwinyoulose9427]

I’m sure this case will not affect for profit prisons at all.

[@Dan16673]

Make the rich like kyle and krystal take them in

[@ZiggyUchiha]

@@Dan16673 you mentally handicapped ?

[@Joshua-fg8mz]

​@@Dan16673 oh Dan I have a feeling your closer to being sucked up by the system then any of us here.

[@custos3249]

Oh, no, it'll definitely affect them. $$$$$$$$$

[@absolutfreak5012]

@@Dan16673 Breaking out the big brain today, eh Dan? Clearly when homelessness is on the rise, the problem should be solved by specifically those worried about the homeless personally taking them in. Otherwise they don't REALLY care, right Dan?

[@Sunnernite]

With this right wing court, it wouldn't surprise me if scotus decides that the homeless don't have any rights.

[@SpinX522]

It wouldn’t surprise me if they made it a capital offence.

[@KoinoniaTheos]

FOH!!! Go be a vagrant somewhere else!!!

[@mr.frandy7692]

lol, get real@@SpinX522

[@AbdulSoomro-kj5lt]

@@SpinX522so true; there has to be a revolution

[@matthewtucker2058]

It's especially crazy since prison is such an expensive way to get them off the streets. Just build some mfing housing

[@vforillo]

Yes, it is cruel, because it adds insult to injury

[@AbdulSoomro-kj5lt]

Yeah and imagine sleeping in the rain; that’s definitely cruel

[@mythiccdxx]

Shouldn't they be holding the federal government accountable for not doing their job providing for the general welfare?

[@Nobodyimportant696]

Of course not. we have to give money to Israel.

[@peterroberts4415]

It's not the federal governments job to do everything. 10th amendment means this is a state and local issue

[@absolutfreak5012]

@@Nobodyimportant696 Those civilians aren't going to bomb themselves!

[@mythiccdxx]

@@peterroberts4415 i never said it was their job to do everything, but this was their job.

[@coastcoast2227]

​@@mythiccdxx government is not the answer. Send them to your house or churches

[@burningsnow9870]

So if they criminalize homelessness...is there a grace period? Or is an eviction going to be met with police to take you away then and there?

[@thewhitefalcon8539]

They wait until you do one of the things you're obviously forced to do, like sleeping on the street or peeing on the street. Then they pretend it was your voluntary choice and lock you up.

[@danhtran6401]

People should just report them...

[@thewhitefalcon8539]

@@danhtran6401 What would this achieve?

[@thelastmohicaneagleeye6581]

Didn't a study just come out a week or 2 ago that showed over 50% of homeless persons were employed?

[@amw7828]

💯😞it’s about funding

[@FaceSilence]

Oof... yeah things don't look too good for working class

[@realtalk5329]

I believe that. Last time I looked it up it was 40%

[@grmpEqweer]

An article from Invisible People says 40.1% percent of outdoor homeless have jobs. They also have a high rate of physical and mental disabilities that may hamper a lot of them from getting a full-time job. ...Also noted, shelters can't often accommodate people who work evenings/ nightshift.

[@grmpEqweer]

In Singapore they have what's called "coffin hotels." They kinda suck, but at least you get a bed in a closed, LOCKABLE compartment, with shelves. ...So your stuff doesn't disappear. ...We could also build more Single Room Occupancy buildings. Again, you have your own, secure space.

[@Delita013]

I thought america isn’t suppose to have debtors prisons. How is jailing homeless people not constituted as jailing someone for not having debt or even having debt?

[@qjtvaddict]

It was founded as an open air debtors prison read up on history

[@angelm.bouchard3722]

In America people can be sent to jail for not having car insurance, even if they can’t afford it. Americans can go to jail if they can’t afford to pay their child support. I agree with that if they can pay, but won’t. Not when they legitimately can’t. Americans can have their homes sold out from under them by HOAs. Basically, a lot of Americans are just screwed. and HOAs can sell your house.

[@aimemaggie]

Wouldn’t it be cheaper to just…give people homes?

[@johntousseau9380]

Yes, but landlords and NIMBYs are stopping public housing.

[@anthonydelfino6171]

But where's the profit in that?

[@52flyingbicycles]

It is!

[@MichaelMikeTheRussianBot]

Yep

[@beansmayne4581]

But what do you do after they destroy them ...

[@user-dw4qn3zc3m]

It's interesting to see that the western system does not think about how to help the homeless but rather how to punish them. It opens my eyes to see how different the systems are in terms of the cultures and ideologies.

[@thewhitefalcon8539]

Everything is fascism when you look deep enough. It's all fascism, always has been.

[@DonQuixotedeKaw]

When psychopaths rule the world...

[@savegraysoncats]

They should never be allowed to seize and discard their personal property. This is how unhoused people lose their IDs and personal items and many things that can help them.continue to live

[@deakonkuster]

Many places criminalize helping the homeless, public feeding or tiny homes are constantly destroyed or removed.

[@smokedbeefandcheese4144]

Yeah because it threatens the landlords monopoly on controlling shelter. They are literally using mafia tactics to deny people housing so they can criminalize it as well as raise rents. It doesn’t matter that it causes inflation and peoples wages aren’t keeping up. They want like 35 people living in a tiny room and each paying them rent.

[@lucidity1]

becoming homeless is a cruel and unusual punishment for losing your job... (or simply making too little money)

[@jd-tg1ox]

Good luck getting fines from a homeless person. LMAO

[@hukigid]

That would make it an opportunity to put them in jail. they're better off in jail than they are out on the streets not getting any help whatsoever

[@austinsnyder6901]

@@hukigid Right because nothing helps you get a job and get back on your feet like having a criminal record.

[@Fillet_O_Chris]

For-profit prisons fix that problem for the elites. They’re able to get them off the streets so they don’t have to see them AND they’re still able to use that individual to create profits elsewhere.

[@VogtTD]

Fines? They'll just throw them in prison.

[@07Flash11MRC]

Still ain't funny. Whatever that homeless person could get their hands on, will be taken away from them.

[@BlueBeetle1939]

GIVE THEM HOMES

[@custos3249]

But how will we make money on that? Ya see, we don't solve problems in the US, we turn them into revenue streams.

[@AbdulSoomro-kj5lt]

@@custos3249 but can always find money for wars huh?

[@custos3249]

@@AbdulSoomro-kj5lt "...we don't solve problems in the US, we turn them into revenue streams."

[@SactoShane]

That make me feel inferior though

[@JFox337]

They don’t want homes. They want to do drugs in a tent. Go talk to them and they will tell you this.

[@barbiedesoto7054]

I think it should be pointed out that both parties are intertwined with hedge funds that are buying properties all over and with the private prison companies. So I could see it being unanimous overturning the legal protections for homeless people, essentially punishing them for not renting from blackrock or otherwise getting out it prison to be a slave for the state to profit from.

[@fsdfgasgfisd]

So here we are, Debating the legality of homelessness. That's wild.

[@nonzz3ro]

Imagine a world where it's illegal to sleep outside

[@rlud304]

No just America. Other actual first world, actual civilized countries consider shelter to be a human right

[@anthonydelfino6171]

So I think the answer is to go to campgrounds and kick people out of their tents and cite state law that you can't sleep in a tent outside.

[@SactoShane]

@@rlud304capitalism needs homelessness to keep the worker scared and in line

[@LadyDoomsinger]

@@SactoShane You mean the dystopian, hellscape version of "capitalism" that is basically just an oligarchy in which the rich and the corporations control the law that they have in America. Capitalism seems to work fine without a homelessness crisis in the EU.

[@adifferentlight5530]

bingo. ! We need to be kept in fear with the consequence of our non-compliance torture. @@SactoShane

[@thegethconsensus393]

We need to decommodify housing and enshrine it as a basic human right. We could start with housing first programs like in the Nordic countries but I think the various landlord companies need to be dealt away with.

[@anthonydelfino6171]

and all the neighborhood groups who would see this as a threat to their property values. here in California, more than the politicians, those neighborhood groups have been one of the biggest obstacles to building more housing.

[@nil981]

And yet the Nordic countries have been having a colossal housing crisis for years now. Especially with the ongoing refugee crisis.

[@graemejclark]

Grants Pass long-time Resident and Native Oregonian. The homeless population is huge compared to the total population size here. There was a ruling of some sort that allowed them in parks, and now they are in every park. There are places, I believe, for them to stay. Part of the reason they may not be are requirements on staying "clean" and there is a huge drug problem coinciding with homelessness here. Crazy rent increases in this area are in contrast to a lack of wage increases.

[@AfroGalactiKa]

I've been watching this problem for years. Here in Jacksonville, FL there are only a couple homeless shelters so the city set aside a small plot of land for an encampment and it grew quickly. But South Georgia cities started to ship the homeless here so they closed the encampment. Meanwhile the homeless population is growing everyday and now I'm one of them. This is a horrible situation for a lot of people

[@vivalaleta]

Fining or jailing the homeless is stupid af.

[@EVIL-C]

These authorities ordering homeless people into shelters, have never been into a shelter. We've all heard the reports of how terrible many of them are. If I was homeless, I'd take my chances outside.

[@amw7828]

Then fund tiny housing communities or condos. Other communities have done so and it’s been successful.

[@rlud304]

@@amw7828This country has so much money! The homeless problem could absolutely be solved. Meanwhile the Pentagon keeps getting raises for being incompetent because good ole’ American corruption always wins

[@smokedbeefandcheese4144]

@@amw7828Tiny housing communities are the same as shelters. Keep hearing you guys say this but all of these “communities” all have curfews and all have razor wire around them. You should just give people houses instead of building an open air prison camp with sheds in it.

[@michaeld4861]

Jesus, this is terrifying. The homeless numbers now are just under 700,000. And there's been multiple cities just this last year that have literally criminalized being homeless, most notably in texas. I just read another article about a church in Ohio that, just this last week during the giant snow storms and freezing cold, was raided by police and forced to kick out the homeless back onto the street that were temporarily allowed to rest there. The pastor of the church is now facing criminal charges because there's a city ordinance that says that no establishments are allowed to let people sleep there. The same day that multiple people froze to death because they didn't have anywhere to go. In the US we are all just one medical or other emergency away from being homeless and therefore enslaved or murdered by the state.

[@user-cz5lj2vx1f]

WHAT? I thought "the issue" for thee laws was NOT wanting people "living on the STREET". It makes NO SENSE to REQUIRE a CHURCH to kickout homeless people! Wish that church would SUE THE CITY for religious discrimination fo making them kick homeless people out of their SANCTUARYY

[@valerielhw]

I live in Portland, OR and we have a large homeless problem here. The problem with "shelters" is that they are often not run humanely. I have never been homeless myself, but I have befriended people who are. They tell me that most shelters won't let people in until night-time, while forcing them to get up by 5AM to eat, shower and get out. Such schedules aren't accomodating to those with _non_ nine-to-five jobs, those with unconventional sleep patterns or those *with dogs.* People also complain about ramped theft in these places. No wonder so many homeless people prefer tent camping to that! We as a society could solve homelessness by providing individual affordable housing to all in need, providing free and accessible job training programs and drug/mental health treatment programs to all who want and need them. It is terrible that people are living in such conditions in a "developed" country.

[@SactoShane]

But providing housing to them makes feel inferior and not special

[@valerielhw]

@@SactoShane Are you actually making fun of those with no roof over their heads, forced to choose between two evils? I would bet my next month's rent that if you found yourself homeless, you would fall apart very quickly. Try to show a bit of empathy, rather than ridicule, for those less fortunate than you are!

[@anthonysofia6169]

Literally throwing people in jail for being poor

[@FeralWorker]

I wish Kyle thought things through more. Even if someone had a legal residence, they almost always wouldn't be sleeping on the street for a trivial reason. E.g. Domestic violence situations. So that should never be a law.

[@andreamartini2989]

Completely agreed, it would also run the risk of criminalising overnight protests.

[@Arc115YT]

My brother was homeless for awhile, and a lot of times, these shelters just don't have enough room to accommodate the entire homeless population, so some people inevitably end up sleeping outside.

[@rbgninja7343]

The "American Dream" is steadily trending towards the American Dystopian Nightmare"... Some would argue were already there and its getting worse!

[@danhtran6401]

Don't quit your day job...

[@amw7828]

💯💐I agree with Kyle; fully fund shelters and tiny home communities; the other severe populations can be detained.

[@smokedbeefandcheese4144]

Those things are bad. People should just be given houses. Shelters only cause more crime and bedbugs. And sickness. And the tiny house thing is just putting up a razor wire fence around a bunch of sheds and telling people they can’t come back to their house if they’re too late. People should be given their own place and not be treated like prisoners. But that is all the shelter has to offer. It’s not really a community it’s more of a prison if there is RazorWire facing inward.

[@Aidenn23]

If it's said to be illegal to be homeless, in a time where our economy is the worst its been outside of the 2008 crash, in decades and our housing crisis is getting worse and worse, then it's time. I'm not gonna say what it's time for. But it's time.

[@dchenkin02]

Not true, unemployment is at its lowest level since the Great Depression. The Stock Market and corporate profits are a record highs.

[@Aidenn23]

@@dchenkin02lol no shit. Too bad that’s not an actual indication of how the people are actually doing with jobs that don’t pay shit and less than half of the population invested in the stock market

[@jamesmarchetti3286]

The main thing could be accountability asking why isn't affordable housing allowed or encouraged 😮 😢 ???? 🤔 🤔 🤔 Throughout the USA !!! Especially for military Veterans !!!

[@juanwilliams3423]

That obviously doesn't matter to a slum lord

[@rlud304]

Military veterans are no more worthy than anyone else of shelter. Enough of this military worship already 🙄

[@juanwilliams3423]

@rlud304 you haven't served yall don't have any respect you go down range

[@adiuntesserande6893]

So tell me, why should I inherently respect someone who chose to kill people for a living? Because ultimately, that’s the purpose of a military. And last I checked, the US military has been volunteer-only for almost 50 years.

[@seanmcdonald4686]

I wonder how many of Clarence Thomas’ “friends” own companies that build and run private prisons. He seems like the type of person who gets rock hard at the prospect of throwing the poor into cells anyhow..

[@borginburkes1819]

The other justices also have crooked Billionen friends. But go on and keep attacking the black man

[@robertgarcia2102]

People need to realize that Homelessness can happen to anyone no matter what your situation might be...American is a rich country and there is no reason that the government can't build affordable housing some people will never go to a shelter unless you are rich anyone living pay check to paycheck can be homeless

[@tylerhackner9731]

Considering the makeup of the court it wouldn’t surprise me how they rule

[@johncharlton199]

Homelessness should be treated as a public health issue, rather than a legal issue, pure and simple.

[@williamhavrilla9469]

As if being homeless isn’t enough. As if the homeless demographic receiving the cold shoulder and instead migrants being housed isn’t enough, now there’s this. Profoundly sad.

[@powderandpaint14]

Migrants aren't housed, they're caged.

[@danhtran6401]

There are men who sacrifice their lives to fight wars and then there are beggars crying about their poor choices... pathetic...

[@alexthefae]

Considering how much rent is these days this will just make being poor illegal

[@DylannDayZero]

When rent is 10k…. They gunna throw us all in prision lol

[@cesiba1]

Supreme court needs to be disbanded.

[@custos3249]

Along with congress

[@rlud304]

The whole government is a cesspool of corruption. This US experiment has failed spectacularly

[@meowy4720]

​@@custos3249You think we should have absolutely no representation in government? what a stupid comment.

[@custos3249]

@@meowy4720 That's exactly what I said. Well done. No notes. Magnificent. A winner is you. Minor quibble though - mind pointing to where I said that?

[@meowy4720]

@@custos3249 That's what Congress does, dumb*ss. It's provides representation to the populace.

[@Kinikkanak]

Where are they supposed to go? The few shelters there are, the missions, the warming rooms, the food lines.... They are all in the cities. Are we supposed to ship these people to the middle of nowhere and leave them stranded with nothing? It is a heartbreaking situation. There are better solutions than what the cities have been proposing. There's just no money in those solutions. God forbid they do anything to just help people.

[@thelastmohicaneagleeye6581]

Billions of Dollars for Ukraine and Israel to keep up the Empire project but not for homeless citizens. What have we become?

[@Moriningland]

We are what we are

[@VoiceOfTheEmperor]

An Empire.

[@foramoreperfectamerica8490]

If SCOTUS says cities can arrest homeless people simply for being homeless, that will cause an unfunded mandate problem for cities who choose to jail homeless people, because there are not sufficent services in place to enable homeless people to follow the law. Cities will have to increase homeless services, if they choose to crackdown specifically on the act of being homeless.

[@tormentorxl2732]

Yes, this is definitely part of the discussion. Doing NOTHING has zero results so far.

[@foramoreperfectamerica8490]

@@tormentorxl2732 The unfunded mandate thing is why cities have never criminalized homelessness itself until now. As long as they don't say simply being homeless is illegal, they don't have an unfunded mandate. If they say being homeless is explicitly illegal, they'd have an unfunded mandate.

[@metta8]

"Cities will have to increase homeless services" I think many cities are doing that now.

[@Crazywaffle5150]

This!

[@theywouldnthavetocensormei9231]

@@foramoreperfectamerica8490 how many homeless people are staying at your house?

[@marcinzysko1653]

I once saw an interview with homeless who said that homeless shelters are wicked

[@LabGoats]

The private prison industry is loving this

[@MrKansaitim]

Poverty is a crime once again. There used to be the "poor house" and debtors prisons and we have returned to them good ole dayz!

[@tybrady4598]

The Supreme Court needs to legalize sleeping in your vehicle if you’re legally parked.

[@craigbrowning9448]

One problem with homeless shelters is often they're dumping grounds for all kinds of people with problems. I remember hearing a story of a woman losing her apartment because she paid the rent to an impostor landlord As a result she ended up in a church-run homeless shelter were the her purse was stolen while she was sleeping. In addition they got her car keys and stealing her. car. The homeless shelter led to a snowballing of her problems due to the lack of security at the facility.

[@52flyingbicycles]

Which is why they should just get a frickin home to live in instead of the BS charity shelter system

[@craigbrowning9448]

@@52flyingbicycles Which is why everybody should be a billionaire.

[@borginburkes1819]

@@craigbrowning9448I think that person was saying that they should be GIVEN homes.

[@smokedbeefandcheese4144]

@@craigbrowning9448Having a home and everyone be a billionaire is not the same thing. And the fact that you think that these are equivalent means that your brain is broken

[@craigbrowning9448]

@@smokedbeefandcheese4144 It helps to Suck Up to the Billionaires, maybe they won't foreclose on your house or find a Tennant willing to pay more. Being a "Normal" person who can Suck Ass on the upper echelons really helps!

[@jlpsuroeste]

Most people don’t realize how close they are to being homeless themselves.

[@toneyeye]

A supreme court that includes Clarence Thomas and Samuel Alito will certainly rule that the local governments can clear out the homeless from public property. It is what they stand for - the medieval take on jurisprudence. I would be very glad to be wrong on my bet.

[@danabutow]

Thank you for covering this so well

[@bladudemovies]

Humans have had to right to live in the public for as long as we’ve had people.

[@rlud304]

Not in the US

[@AbdulSoomro-kj5lt]

@@rlud304because it’s too individualistic

[@terririchter2279]

piss and shit and dirty needles,,,,living on the street without facilities endangers us all,,,,

[@AbdulSoomro-kj5lt]

@@terririchter2279 then solve the problem don’t just complain

[@M.A.C.01]

Oregonian here, I can confirm our homeless problem is a big deal

[@Ben_indistiguished]

My aunt lives in Oregon and she refused to house me or my bother in our young 20's when we lost our jobs and couldn't pay rent. It is a deliberate decision that these families are making their own members homeless

[@DharmaPunk111]

​@@Ben_indistiguishedit's true. The united states culture has a nasty habit of kicking family members out at 18 or if they cant simply "pull themselves up by their bootstraps." Most other cultures take care of their families and support each other in multigenerational homes. The US is f***ed up and it's on purpose. This is a result of corporate brainwashing.

[@realtalk5329]

By homeless problem do u mean the problem of homeless ppl suffering or the "problem" of having to look at poor ppl?

[@user-om5jq6lg5m]

There is another way to address homelessness that cities dont want to contend with: housing and infrastructure spending.

[@theboldandthebeautiful3729]

While they're at, they should pass a law that they can raise rent to unaffordable costs, raise the interest rate on our mortgages any time they want and, if you miss a payment, add huge fees to the next payment, that will ensure more people out on the streets and in jail or prison. My God, the shit going on is insane!

[@bluemcneil5883]

There's a cool book quote "Destroy unaffordable housing. Destroy high cost elite construction sites. Violence against the wealthy." It's from That good book

[@mikaelvalter-lithander1247]

Sweden considers the death penalty as cruel and unusual punishment. As a consequence of this, it is a valid reason for an American risking the death penalty to get asylum in Sweden.

[@itsjeninMass]

I agree with Kyle. This supreme court doesn't care about humanity.

[@52flyingbicycles]

Knowing this court, they might rule that homeless people aren’t people

[@PyrrhicPax]

Im a former conservative from a blood red state. I can tell you that the conservative argument is that criminalizing homelessness is only more expensive to society IF you provide social services, therefore the solution is to not decriminalize homelessness, but to cancel social services. Anti-Socialist Capitalists believe that capitalism acts as a tool of natural selection, and therefore, anyone who cannot succeed in capitalism only fails because of some personal weakness or flaw, and therefore does not DESERVE to live or be mourned. I have had this view expressed, in no exaggeration of the word, UNANIMOUSLY, among conservative capitalists. I call it "Neo-Darwinism"

[@VoiceOfTheEmperor]

"I have yet to meet someone that can outsmart bullet." - The Heavy, TF2.

[@mathiasbartl903]

That's just social darwinism.

[@PyrrhicPax]

@@mathiasbartl903 respectfully, I think it's something new . Social Darwinism typically refers to survivability based on adherence to ethnic and cultural social conventions and prejudices. This...particular strain of social darwinism, let's say.... focuses explicitly on one's financial success, to the exclusion of *all other factors*, as it is believed by Neo-Darwinists that there IS no other explanation for lack of success within a commerce based society.

[@diversefloater8768]

Land of the free right?

[@Fillet_O_Chris]

Free to do what the elites have decided for you.

[@mossydog2385]

The last time we saw this level of homelessness in this country was during the depression of the 1930's where there was 25% unemployment. There is 4% unemployment now, so what that means is that the 21% of people who are employed full time do not make enough money to rent...not an apartment, but just a room. Welcome to neoliberal capitalism. This is what deregulation, union busting and the decimation of our social safety nets has brought us. The 1% are more wealthy than any plutocrat class in the history of the world....for all of recorded history, yet a significant number of Americans can't even afford a room. Shame on us all.

[@eatright909]

They should just say they want to criminalize being poor

[@Danielle-zq7kb]

0:20 Seems like jailing homeless people is more expensive than creating homes for them. A little efficiency apartment for singles, tiny home communities with shared communal kitchen & bathrooms, 1 and 2 bdr apartments for families - I would much rather our government spend $14B on this than bombs making more homeless (and dead) people in Gaza.

[@cortneya23]

Always feel like I'm back in 5th grade when being read to.

[@anthonydelfino6171]

Okay so we spend decades not building enough housing in this country, and rents are so high that some employed people I know personally are living in tents or in their cars, but rather than address the root of the problem, we're just going to arrest them for being homeless? And then what? We didn't fix the problem, they get out of jail and are still unable to afford housing, just also now you've given them a criminal record that makes it even harder to get a good paying job to be able to afford housing.

[@JH-lf4ql]

America is finished

[@superbro9576]

about time...

[@Nobodyimportant696]

We're definitely Rome sooner than most thought.

[@jacobsmith7114]

@Nobodyimportant696 first off, don’t insult Rome, it lasted for over a 1,000 years lol. Second, everyone who says the US is sooo finished and terrible probably never did anything to improve their country. I don’t want the US to be an empire, but I also don’t want it to suck either. JFK was right

[@EricChurchwell-bl3ce]

Mental health is the main underlying problem with homelessness. But they will never call a spade a spade

[@EingefrorenesEisen]

God, this country is so FUCKED.

[@stunspot]

I've been homeless. The thing is... whatever you do, the guy still exists. The way you deal with this is to fix society and how we get people housing.

[@TheBitterSarcasmOfMs.Anthropy]

I've always said "Homelessness was capitalism's human garbage that it refuses to acknowledge and clean up." I know that's a powerful quote/ rhetoric I will never get credit for, but it is the truth - just know if you see that quote, Ms Anthropy coined it.

[@cafreria_en_pote]

No one wants it. Don’t worry. Not a very powerful statement if it makes no sense and dehumanizes people further. But I’m not going to fix it for you so you don’t steal from me 😂

[@coastcoast2227]

Not really, for example, there is cheap housing outside los Angeles County ( Bakersfield), but everyone wants to live where it's expensive.

[@keithbushsuarez7445]

10/10 on this video, excellent topic and excellent discussion of it, covered it very thoroughly and with excellent points. 💯💯💯

[@GamerKru1996]

We need to abolish the Supreme Court.

[@cfltheman]

At least limit their power and make them elected with set term limits.

[@rlud304]

Good luck with that. All three branches are a cesspool of corruption

[@AbdulSoomro-kj5lt]

True we need the people’s court and people house and direct democracy

[@MagicalMedic]

I live in Berkeley a few blocks from People's Park. I recommend anyone interested in the topic of homeless encampments (wherever you fall on the subject) look into it. After decades of advocacy and protests on behalf of the homeless community in the area, UC Berkeley cleared the Park and erected a makeshift barrier of shipping containers to keep people out while a new housing complex for students is built. Allegedly there will also be accommodations for the unhoused, but we've seen such proposals fall through in the past, and I would not be surprised to see that happen here.

[@lilithlives]

"The goal of oppressors is to limit your imagination about what is possible without them, so you might never imagine more for yourself and the world you live in". - Ashley C. Ford.

[@rlud304]

Good quote explaining why Americans are continuing to vote for one or the other useless party that does not represent them or care about them. Americans are cowards who lack imagination. I am ( unfortunately) American

[@tormentorxl2732]

I’m all about empathy. I do believe these people need help. They simply aren’t going to do it themselves. I do believe that the government does need to step in.

[@dorian7215]

That accounts for 20-30 percent. Most homeless people just can’t afford to live and aren’t drug addicted which is a misnomer.

[@mamatrain100]

There an accusatory tone in your post. So to clarify..... you aren't blaming the homeless for being in their situation are you?

[@mamatrain100]

There an accusatory tone in your post. So to clarify..... you aren't blaming the homeless for being in their situation are you?

[@rlud304]

“These people?” What people is that?

[@tormentorxl2732]

@@dorian7215 I believe that you are way off on your numbers. I work with the homeless. It’s literally 1 out of ten that’s sober.

[@Sidecutter]

Being forced to go into a shelter is cruel. Many of them impose religious requirements. Forcing people to go to them is imposing a specific religion by the government.

[@Fourtune1]

Either help them or move them somewhere. No use in making it worse for the people who have to live near them.

[@mr.giggles4995]

Those people used to be your neighbors, until our fucked up system and fucked economy took them down. Why don't you help your neighbor instead of shipping them off so you don't have to look at them??

[@Fourtune1]

@@mr.giggles4995those werent/aren’t my neighbors. I should have emphasized on the ones with drug issues and mental health issues. The people leaving needles at playgrounds and attacking random people are harming society. If they aren’t being helped they need to be kept in an area away from others. You go live by them or have them in your house then. It is not my problem if other people can’t afford their rent. People like you blaming regular people and not the actual bad actor responsible for this are what’s the issue.

[@ligmapolzky1143]

@@mr.giggles4995how many homeless people live with you? Is it 0 because people ignore the fact over 80 percent have drug problems but you are aware of that?

[@Fourtune1]

@@ligmapolzky1143nope. He has the typical luxury belief politics.

[@garrettwhite3922]

​@@Fourtune1 I hope everyone around you has the same attitude if you ever experience hardship.

[@coastcity7029]

What to do about people living in tents? Make them criminals? Yeah, that'll solve the problem. Let's give them a place to live in the prisons, which tax-payers then pay for and prison-owners get rich from.

[@karlad4082]

What should be criminalized are the cities that keep people on the streets without providing them a real way out of homelessness.

[@jamesmarchetti3286]

Great perspective and explanation of this problem !!!