Supreme Court will decide whether local anti-homeless laws are 'cruel and unusual'

The Supreme Court agreed Friday to review lower-court rulings that make it harder for cities in the western United States to prevent people from sleeping on the streets when there aren’t enough beds in homeless shelters.
The justices will hear an appeal from the city of Grants Pass, in southwest Oregon, that has the backing of California Gov. Gavin Newsom, a Democrat, as well as other Democratic and Republican elected officials who have struggled to deal with homelessness brought on by rising housing costs and income inequality.
The court's action comes a day after a panel of the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals affirmed a lower-court ruling blocking anti-camping ordinances in San Francisco, where Newsom once was the mayor.
KTLA's John Fenoglio reports on Jan. 12, 2024.
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[@HappyHappy-sq4ij]

We need politicians that don’t equate money spent with effectiveness. Citing billions spent isn’t a flex; it’s pathetic.

[@lumindina699]

Shayla Myers, the Senior attorney for legal aid foundation Los Angeles needs to go too. The homeless are offered help but most do not want it as they cannot do drugs while in a shelter, and instead that woman should be fighting for mental health care for the homeless. They need rehabs more than they need our sidewalks and public spaces to keep them on the streets and drugs.

[@ryanbarker5217]

i think you mean we need politicians who *do* equate tax dollars spent with results. but, that's why it's called the homeless industry. a politician gives a 'non-profit' millions, there are no real results to show for it, then tons of money poured into these unregulated, unaudited scams goes right into the politician's campaign fund.

[@bunsonhoneydew9099]

Spending more and more is a sign of ineffectiveness. Spend the money and solve the problem. Then yer done.

[@Underdog271]

What have any republicans done for homelessness?

[@HermitDude]

More like "billions funnelled"... Life is pretty expensive these days.

[@jamesj3352]

I think its funny Galvin Newsom campaigned 10 years ago that he would end homelessness in California and it gone up every year since he has been in office. And people still support him😂😂😂

[@murfmurf313]

Maybe he ended up with the roadblock that he's appealing to the Supreme Court to fix.

[@user-uv5ou6dr6z]

Is Ridiculous & beyond Double Standards, When I see Governors giving FREE handouts, Healthcare, & Financial Aid to 🇲🇽 and Others Undocumented people in their States, But ARE CRUEL TOWARDS HOMELESS PEOPLE . Even God should be Angry at them ! I Believe!!!

[@justanothersmith6012]

Political doublespeak. He meant he would end the TERM homeless and replace it with HOUSELESS and THE UNHOUSED. That makes it more palatable to those who are woke.

[@bulkvanderhuge9006]

I think it's funny that Trump killed 500,000 Americans, is threatening to do away with the COnstitution, and said he will be a dictator, and prosecute his political enemies, Just like Hitler did, and peoples till support him.

[@jamesj3352]

@murfmurf313 so you don't think that the policies and raising state income taxes and other taxes in California has nothing to do with it 🤔

[@Dan.50]

A government that doesn't serve the people isn't a government, it's a crime syndicate.

[@philipiano001]

Washington, DC

[@SokemRokemRobot]

The government is suppose to represent the people, not serve them. It's impossible to serve all Americans because everyone has different demands. Representation tries to find a compromise, but generally, the majority will have their way.

[@danielponce3606]

TRUTH

[@MelissaR784]

@@SokemRokemRobot They call themselves civil servants. Did you know the wealthy have been sending their teens to private schools that groom them to work in the government? One of the schools, Groton, has the motto "To serve is to rule."

[@nilsnyman6767]

Closing all the asylums led to a lot of this.

[@klausthedog9670]

Drugs did this.

[@nilsnyman6767]

@@klausthedog9670 if you haven't been there yourself anything you say is meaningless.

[@niavellir7408]

@@nilsnyman6767drugs caused this, there wasn’t a drug epidemic back then educate yourself 😂

[@geraldvance7925]

​@@klausthedog9670Drugs from China that the Democrats allowed to come in through Mexico. It's all by design.

[@rachelharmon6489]

@@klausthedog9670no what did this is not so simple, Reagan decided to end funding for mental healthcare to cut spending, in Seattle we gave all public housing to refugees after making it mixed income and moving out everyone after false promises to come back, nothing to go back to after they took away two thirds of housing to sell to people with more money and the other third to refugees while leaving Americans on the streets, plus the war on drugs was a war on black and brown people who happened to be the majority of homeless, you blame drug users but many people start after being thrown onto the streets, many women don’t want to sleep so they use drugs to stay up to not get raped … your point seems dismissive to the real issue which is mental healthcare or lack of… people who are healthy usually do not want drugs

[@earlvanfleet3501]

Im currently in Hollyweird and its a dump! I feel sorry for all the people to go on vacation to see the glamore of the place, but what they are met with trash, homelessness everywhere, grafiti everywhere, this place was beautiful when I was a kid. On the other hand, we need psychiatric programs for alot of them are mentally ill. I was coming home from the SSI dept in Hollyweird last week and there was nobody in the psychiatric ward on Vine when we walked by. The homeless need help!

[@TJ-nq5nt]

There is all this money for migrants that should not even be the case. These crock politicians just go on a spending spree on someone else money witch is tax money.

[@Artoliva]

You are correct…

[@earlvanfleet3501]

@Artoliva I play a stand up and P bass :-)

[@zachlovescats95]

I think being homeless is worse than people on their vacations having to see them. You sound very privileged.

[@Yogagirl9935]

Hollywood was a dump 15 years ago when I was visiting CA. The area where the celebrities have their stars on the sidewalk was dirty, scary & disgusting. We cut our Hollywood (LA) visit short & went back to San Diego, which was still nice at the time.

[@chervang4461]

It is sad to see the good old day of the United States begins to disappear.

[@thomasauslander3757]

Good old days is like good old cars .

[@yungjunkie666]

Good old days? Nothing but improvement here must suck being a biden voter

[@murfmurf313]

@@yungjunkie666 Nope. Biden has actually improved things for lots of lower income people. The ones blocking federal programs to aid children and the poor are pretty much all Republican, at both the state and local levels. Go check it out. I'm pleased with the uses Biden and the 2020 congress put my tax dollars to use for. I'm hoping the Democrats regain congress in 2024 so we can continue to help this country recover. There's a lot of work to do. Biden understands how to get it done and can do even better with a congress that supports him. Name one good program that was enacted by Republicans in the past 6 years.

[@user-bluetopaz777]

It disappeared the day they took prayer out of schools in 1963. Been downhill ever since.

[@murfmurf313]

@@user-bluetopaz777 didn't miss that a bit. There is nothing about prayer in schools that did a thing to keep things together. It's been downhill since OPEC screwed over the nations economy in the 1970s. We've been slaves to oil ever since.

[@DavidMartinez-lu5ot]

Billions have been spent with very little to show for there's no accountability for the money being spent some organizations are getting rich on this and the homeless situation gets worse.

[@williamobraidislee3433]

The point isn’t to “cure the homelessness crisis.” The point is to not have homeless people setting up campsites en masse. Those are two different things.

[@matthowardtv]

The point is sleeping rough isn't always safe

[@tonybarden9187]

So not a word about taxing the super wealthy to help people get a roof over their head, America the country of cruelty, personal greed & hate, woohoo what a s*ithole.

[@WillRadetsky]

So true!!

[@mariuquidiello]

Provide them with homes !!this is not tolerable in a billionaire Country

[@mariuquidiello]

In a State that is the richest one with Hollywood there this in cruel and selfish to let people live in the streets !!

[@DarkstarDarth]

San Diego passed that law last year, cannot camp on public streets and will need to reside in designated locations that have proper facilities and support or they will get cited and jailed if not in compliance. So what’s the obstacle again? More excuses and incompetence.

[@factchecker6674]

Really good point! I hope the same for Los Angeles.

[@carlahart4590]

The government don’t owe these people nothing how can we afford to take care of them…….?????????? You see what is going on!! They won’t work so then what!!!!!

[@jamesbrown9721]

And it just pushes them out of the city to someplace else where people have to deal with. So did San Diego solve the homeless problem?

[@PennyDavis-cm9tl]

So what does that accomplish ?

[@rarefruit2320]

Oh so tax cattle get screwed again and over paid cops get more tax money 👍

[@kristimunn3010]

I live in Los Angeles, where are these billions being spent. I voted for housing for the homeless almost 10 years ago. They are JUST now starting to build some housing,, but it's minimal. The mayor is making some progress, but the BILLIONS were never spent. Not that I can see.

[@ront.9414]

I think what needs to be dealt with is mental health issues, drug and alcohol abuse, and in a few cases just plain bad luck.

[@emelyramirez2871]

Got to nip it in the bud.

[@matthowardtv]

In other words, wall st.

[@NateClay]

​@@matthowardtv Why are the gamblers responsible? for _(by the way, taking all the risk)_ the problems of homelessness? It's universally drug and alcohol abuse *(in my experience being homeless nearly EVERYONE I met 80-90% had drug or alcohol addiction, and not because they were homeless, it's the reason they ARE homeless)* , mental health issues (including addiction, they coincide like PB&J), and very rarely disabled individuals who have no ability/desire to work...

[@matthowardtv]

@@NateClay people work in very close knit groups, sometimes folks find commonality, sometimes strength in what they do, together, but it's the wrong thing, but being poor, it's cold comfort, at least

[@1978garfield]

Sadly many of toady's homeless are junkies that would rather spend the rent money on drugs. You can't force them to spend their disability check on rent. Likewise treatment does no good for people who don't want it.

[@billparker174]

If it becomes legal to camp out on sidewalks, there are going to be a lot of people moving to the sidewalks to escape paying rent.

[@user-bluetopaz777]

If they do, they'll go back home. I don't think they would last 3 days. Homelessness is hell on earth.

[@Bottom_Shelf]

That would be heaven

[@honeyofagal]

Spoken from someone that doesn't have a clue what it's like to be homeless 🤦🏻‍♀️. These people DONT CHOOSE to be homeless 🤦🏻‍♀️

[@audreydaleski1067]

Good.

[@dingledangledingdong2693]

@@honeyofagal homeless absolutely do choose to be homeless. It is a lifestyle like any other. No responsibilities!

[@umanitalks]

If we have money to house and employ illegal immigrants we can use some of if not all that money to solve the civilian homeless issue

[@murfmurf313]

We don't house immigrants as a federal or state program. The only people employing immigrants are private citizens/companies. I've worked jobs where everyone else was an immigrant. No other people applied because it was hard work. There are opportunities here that are better than the countries some of these people are fleeing, yet not "good enough" for the locals. Quit whining and get local people working. If businesses are hiring "illegals" as you say then start having prison terms for those who hire them.

[@user-bluetopaz777]

Exactly.

[@Brett_S_420]

Faux "News" Channel lies to you. Where exactly are all these public housing places for immigrants? 🤨

[@nathanielthomas816]

That's what we all would think if we were reasonable people. The people who run the government state and federal are unreasonable

[@jifffy999]

Most of the illegal immigrants are working, even if under the table. It's the drug addicted citizens that don't want to work. Go figure.

[@SB-SB555]

KTLA did a story last year on the 17 billion the federal government gave to California for just 2023 for the homeless crisis. The report asked people who worked with the homeless if that would help and they said no, it wont. Would love to see a follow up story on how that 17 billion was spent in 2023.

[@MelissaR784]

In 2014, a Measure was passed to raise sales tax in LA county to over 10%, TO build small homes for the homeless. 10 years later, homeless numbers have tripled with zero homes built.

[@8188jlpc]

It's a scam, homeless industrial complex....

[@poetcomic1]

As always the money goes to 'experts', committees, 'feasibility studies' blah blah blah, Two years ago Biden earmarked 7.5 billion for an urgent project to quickly build charge stations nationwide. NOT ONE STATION HAS BEEN BUILT.

[@jessitaran763]

Yeah - speaking as a homeless person myself, I'd like to see that too. The total lack of oversight/accountability regarding the money that CA is (theoretically) spending on the homeless is appalling. For the most part, when it comes to benefits/help/services/assistance homeless people get pennies on the dollar out of the funding being distributed by state/federal government supposedly for their benefit. The vast majority of the organizations receiving government money to provide services don't do a God damned thing - nor do they ever get called out for it. The thing is - this tragic waste of money is NOT THE FAULT OF THE HOMELESS. We have no say whatsoever in how our funding is spent. WE are not the one's stealing tax money. It's the service providers and politicians who are stealing from you. If WE were getting that money we would not be living on the street!

[@jessitaran763]

@@MelissaR784 My guess is that just about all of that money was given away to nonprofit organizations and land developers before any contractual signed agreements were signed. It's likely that the developers went on to wine and dine Joe Biden - and likely members of his staph as well - and before leaving, likely tossed Biden a few envelopes full of money as well. What we need is not more money, but rather some method/tool to hold the responsible parties accountable for the money that they have already received.

[@MYvesAllaire]

In most cities and towns - it's unlawful to block or otherwise obstruct a public thoroughfare or sidewalk - much less pitch a tent and engage in urban camping. This needs to end.

[@seahagkeylover]

Ok so HOW DO WE HAVE MONEY FOR THE ILLGALS? Newsome stated he had billions for homelessness where are they building shelters for low income?

[@carlahart4590]

Thank you

[@naughtywizard]

Democrats have all the money in the world. It’s free votes!

[@gregwilson5393]

What's cruel and unusual is what this administration is doing to America.

[@bulkvanderhuge9006]

@gregwilson5393 Such as? C'mon, list some things that Fox "News" didn't tell you to believe.

[@oinc7320]

Yes it's like an insurrection, storming congress with the intention of serious body harm, not getting their way. Phone calls so pefect, find me votes, our people will take care of you, fake elector ballots in the mail, fake electors on the floor.

[@oinc7320]

Yes it's like an insurrection, storming congress with the intention of serious body harm, not getting their way. Phone calls so pefect, find me votes, our people will take care of you, fake elector ballots in the mail, fake electors on the floor.

[@oinc7320]

Yes it's like an insurrection, storming congress with the intention of serious body harm, not getting their way. Phone calls so pefect, find me votes, our people will take care of you, fake elector ballots in the mail, fake electors on the floor.

[@oinc7320]

Yes it's like an insurrection, storming congress with the intention of serious body harm, not getting their way. Phone calls so pefect, find me votes, our people will take care of you, fake elector ballots in the mail, fake electors on the floor.

[@joealcamo8901]

It’s forcing businesses to close, the areas are filthy, smelly, unsightly and restricting peoples ability to walk.

[@kimcissell1905]

Infectious diseases will escalate worsening the medication shortages that already exist.

[@user-bluetopaz777]

Then those buildings should be turned into shelters.

[@BurgertubeFounder]

@@user-bluetopaz777 People like you wouldn't be able to vote in a perfect world.

[@Ysmir_The_Ancient]

Sounds like there needs to be affordable housing!!

[@raiftadehara9218]

Crocodile tears...

[@SleeepyGzzz]

But how can you "invest billions into homelessness" and it still look like that?

[@Hazendal777]

CORRUPTIE !!!!

[@happygolucky9004]

Public spaces are paid for by the tax payer and if the public can't use the space because someone is blocking use that's not right.

[@MyCatsChannel841]

Exactly 👍

[@speedntktzlastname2182]

This what happens when you export jobs, increase tuitions and constantly chase that with minimum wage. You create a system that rapidly leaves people behind.

[@Durka-Durka]

Well, these people like drugs too much.

[@rarefruit2320]

I think that was the goal

[@niceguydmm]

@@Durka-Durka Not all them are on drugs. The US health system is all about profit. They need access to mental health without being asked "Do you have insurance". Some people lose homes due to being sick and it cost them everything in medical bills.

[@silver3149]

@@Durka-Durka Your politicians, judges, lawyers, stock brokers and businessmen are the chief drug users.

[@Just-Human]

​@@niceguydmmnobody should have to pay for someone else.

[@swedesam]

Homeless encampments outside or near judges' residences will give them a better understanding.

[@carlahart4590]

Exactly exactly

[@franzitaduz]

Many won‘t want housing because it entails responsibility. State campgrounds equippedwith sanitary facilities and places to shop for food etc. may be an alternative, but not private property or public thoroughfares in cities and towns.

[@yvonnephillips3888]

State campgrounds paid for by taxpayers and that they can't use. This would exclude family gatherings.

[@greeneyes8316]

It's called being "lazy."

[@dingledangledingdong2693]

State campgrounds are far from the city. Impractical idea.

[@franzitaduz]

@@dingledangledingdong2693 like they need proximity? Worried that they can’t shop, go to the movies…..Who’s working among them?

[@franzitaduz]

@@yvonnephillips3888 Good point. Can you suggest an alternative?

[@josephdugan4797]

I've heard homeless advocates say a lack of housing is not the problem. Most homeless people have a couch or spare bedroom they could go to but only if they quit using and stay on meds. Drugs are the problem.

[@user-bluetopaz777]

Not true. That's just stereotyping rather than factual.

[@Chris-zq4bd]

Yea right.

[@megsley]

​@@user-bluetopaz777lmao go into a homeless camp and see how many are addicts 😂

[@StarScream10hut]

Meds are not drugs? Orwellian. Is fentanyl still legal? Only in every state.

[@StarScream10hut]

​@@megsleyuntreated addicts are a handful, fo sho

[@Mike_Davidson]

California has invested billions in cleaning up after the homeless and letting them set up camp 100 feet away from their old camp. 🤷🏻‍♂️🤣🤣🤣⛺️⛺️

[@SpreadGayness]

Democrats delay problems. Not solving anything

[@delmahnori1582]

Anti-homeless law is cruel. If the government cannot provide homes for these people. These people have right to sleep and eat. These states that claimed to be well developed have many homeless people is unbelievable. My country is less develop but we don't have homelessness. Treat your people honorably. They are human beings and not animals. They participate in voting and work in various works of life so government should care for them. Taking away the right to camp in empty space is cruel and inhuman Where will they go?

[@Dan-rp9wu]

How are you going to house active drug attics? You’d have to drug test them or they’d just strip the copper out of the house and destroy it.

[@normsti000]

As the problem mounts, the pressure grows. States and municipalities will be forced to reinstitutionalize the mentally ill and drug addicted. Leaving them to wander the streets is not kind to them or conducive to an ordered public space.

[@lettysaadani5871]

It’s one thing to allow people to sleep somewhere, It’s ANOTHER thing for them to set up camps outside restaurants, stores, apartment buildings so-on-and-so-forth they don’t just loiter, they make an incredible mess and many of them are turning tricks of all sorts, I understand the advocacy and fighting for a solution, but if I could not rent out my garage to keep from becoming homeless then it seems absolutely ridiculous to allow people to camp outside our homes and build a house out of unsafe material. To the lady /advocates/ lawyers speaking and politicians who care so much, why don’t you invite or find a way to lure the homeless population to over to the sidewalk out side your houses and away from our apartments for a while to show how much you care, it’s easy to advocate or make laws as long as the situation does not come to your door 🙃🤔😏

[@user-bluetopaz777]

That's just it. They're there because 1 they have nowhere to go and 2 they're not allowed to be anywhere in public. They can't even use public restrooms because the ones that trash the bathrooms cause the others to lose bathroom privileges entirely. One bad apple spoils the whole cart.

[@matthowardtv]

It's assumed homelessness can be dealt with, or judged, by anecdote, but it's a thinking job, and thinking about it means it's done better

[@hans5130]

Paying for healthcare could put you on the streets

[@crli4353]

they dont HAVE to pay for healthcare, they choose to. They die either way, not everyone is entitled to live a long life, thats how the world works.

[@lautaroaguilar9584]

It’s not “anti-homeless” it’s pro cleanliness.

[@gemjourney5210]

No one needs to be homeless for in the Governor's MANSIONS there is room for MANY!

[@ryann4904]

I mean not everyone has a fortune to pay for a place to sleep and you have to sleep. It hasn’t always been like this, people used to build their own homes but now in most places that’s illegal or too restrictive. These politicians are the problem, not the solution.

[@nathanielthomas816]

Very true this is self inflicted in a sense, most people can't fish to feed them selves gotta go to store with food stamps and buy fish... Same with housing good point

[@user-et5qs2en4c]

They are our number one worst enemy❗️🤬. 🇺🇸👮‍♀️🕊

[@bambinaforever1402]

Pity there is not enough shores in warm places to built on for everyone

[@patricktracy6472]

​@@nathanielthomas816You can't even fish for survival now days if you wanted to... Its over regulated and over priced and over policed. Fish without a license and get caught and see what happens. Eat the wrong fish at the wrong time of year, go to jail... Use a hook thats too big or a bait that works too good, go to jail...

[@RM_VFX]

You can still build a house, on a proper lot. Which is not in the middle of a public sidewalk made for travel.

[@nonye1251]

When avg rent is over $2000 but wages are stagnant, wtf do people expect? Some ppl are homeless with degrees, some lost jobs and cant afford basic living expenses. Yet how much have we given to countries every. Single. Year??? This issue is gonna keep getting worse.

[@markkelley7084]

People are tired of your crying, Life isn’t easy so figure it out like the rest of us.

[@HanginInSF]

Wages are not stagnant though

[@AR-withBumpStockRoundDrumMag]

Absolutely. This situation is not sustainable. Whether local governments and populations like it or not, kicking the can down the road will not make the problem go away If anything, even more homeless, car homeless, and working homeless will increase And for for many people sneering at the homeless, most of them are “one paycheck away from being homeless themselves.” NIMBYs want them out of sight, well good luck with that when the day comes that majority of Americans are sleeping in their Honda Civics cause renting a basic apartment is out of reach or just for the “elite”

[@hudsonaable]

u are so right the coast of living some people have two jobs and still cant afford it they need to lower it or come up with a better plan cause 3000 and more they need to stop it

[@tech-bore8839]

Perhaps we should be cracking down on landlords and corporations hoarding...I mean "owning" all these residential properties. Hell, even non-homeless people are having a tough time finding homes to purchase without some company or landlord scooping it up, often with cash in hand. People hate scalpers, yet somehow it's justified when realty is involved.

[@DRLZEca]

its an impending doom at this point. I remember years ago i thought this couldnt continue. Its about to get like futurama fr

[@timminh468]

Instead of deciding whether or not to allow homeless people to live in tents in the streets how about the government fund more money to solve the homeless issue or at least minimize it instead of funding other countries’ wars ?

[@KuroKumo361]

How are we going to “solve the homeless issue”?

[@nightgoblinspearman]

@@KuroKumo361 Slow plows

[@annettecasals]

Agree. America first

[@Anne-LiseH]

Free needles and money if you are homeless has enabled this drug culture. It would be better to have paid work crews to build or renovate places for them.

[@anthonygarcia3922]

​@Anne-LiseH the problem is that majority of the homeless people in LA are literally choosing to live in tents and on the streets.

[@user-ep1qw1kh3l]

Question: is public only certain people or a big social group? In public, who is defined as a member?

[@mrcalipride]

This is what happens when a government prioritizes national power over the well-being of its people. While allocating vast sums to the military, they neglect essential investments in our crumbling infrastructure. It's time to focus on the needs of the people rather than just boosting the nation's might

[@whiterose7055]

How about telling others who want to come into this country that as much as we'd like to help them, we have already exceeded our capacity to help.

[@verribarry]

Especially when they are encouraging and allowing a worldwide invasion anyway.

[@matthowardtv]

military spending is supposed to increase during war time, so why not flex spending,

[@stevenhuntley8706]

The law in its majestic equality forbids both the rich and poor from sleeping under bridges.

[@sarashattuck4022]

Not anymore

[@silver3149]

The Cteator promised land. The people are entitled to land as their brith Right.

[@curtisrobinson4000]

Point?

[@ltbadger2121]

@@silver3149we need more people who understand that, the earth is not a privatized possession when we all live on it whether we like it or not

[@bulkvanderhuge9006]

@stevenhuntley8706 Yea, that dream died thanks to Reagan creating this mess of income inequality.

[@ThePhoenix6931]

During the 2006-07 hot housing market, San Diego California HUD began closing HUD single and multi-housing for low income families in order to put those buildings and houses on the market, so that politicians could have a nice bonus in their pockets. And now many of those former residents of HUD housing are on the streets. Their income is too low for them to afford paying rent at the market rate of $1,200 and more a month.

[@wolf17238]

Yup, thank Republican Arnold Schwarzenegger for that.

[@abolisher]

$1200 for rent where last I seen minimum is $2000 Long Beach…

[@sixwingproductions]

@@wolf17238 and yet the democrats that have owned california for years haven't fixed it. it's not a repubilcan problem it's politician problem.

[@PennyDavis-cm9tl]

I paid my whole Social Security check to rent a room when re I shared a bathroomon Southern Cailfornia

[@michael1190]

What income? Even if the rent was $500 a month they still couldn't pay it. They don't have jobs. The high cost of housing and homelessness have very little to do with eachother.

[@newtoncooper4085]

Perhaps the Supreme court will consider the possibility that the lack of these laws are cruel and unusual punishment to the residents of these communities.

[@SusanChristopher-hl7eq]

Life can change in a heartbeat. I'm 69 now. But when I was 35, I had a catastrophic illness and no affordable place to live. My welfare check was $147/ mo and room rentals, the few that existed, were $211/mo. You do the math. Not everybody in this country is a lazy drug addict! A lot of us are good American heroes, who dont get supported or praised for their efforts. Instead we get a heaping helping of Society's pompous assessment of complicated, serious issues! Those who h

[@GUITARTIME2024]

You had zero friends or family???

[@Just-Human]

I shouldn't have pay for you.

[@chrismadison305]

Not every homeless person is drug addict but the vast majority of them are. We have a drug issue not a housing issue.

[@pisces2569]

Many homeless who are drug addicts become so after being homeless. Drugs provide routine which provides comfort

[@GUITARTIME2024]

@@pisces2569 a job is a routine. A drug is suicide on a sidewalk.

[@katherinemahon9471]

A law stopping public camping and then a law producing some type of shelter would force them into the shelter. Yes some mentally ill and drug addicts have to be forced to comply with sheltering indoors.

[@neonred7594]

Anti-homeless laws are cruel, where are they supposed to go, what are they supposed to do?

[@fuzzyduck1989]

Historically homeless people would commit petty crimes (such as breaking a window etc...) in order to be arrested for it and then have a place to stay overnight or for a couple of days... Technically the city/state/government should provide resources for these people and help them stand on their feet. I don't think you'd be happy if a bunch of drugged up homeless people camped in front of your home, refusing to leave...

[@TO-nl4gx]

What are these people supposed to do???🤔😢💔

[@AR-withBumpStockRoundDrumMag]

According to the general mindset: not sleep, stay out of sight so as to not disturb people’s minds, basically perish

[@onaacebo1961]

Provide them what they are providing the ILEGALS that are being allowed into the country! Provide shelter, food, clothing and a way out of homelessness through teaching.

[@rarefruit2320]

Homeless don’t keep the Ponzi scheme going like a low wage worker does

[@santamanone]

Who said they aren’t illegals?

[@pyrovania]

Most homeless people are not illegals. Two different issues.

[@santamanone]

@@pyrovania don’t get me wrong: I agree partially agree with you. But to be honest, neither the homeless nor the illegals are entitled to government support (taxpayer support)

[@ronnieitaquab1008]

​@@santamanoneHowever your political authority has went above and beyond with our money for non citizens and you don't voice your opposition then

[@danomyte67]

So instead of tackling root causes of homelessness they rather try and hide it? That’s absolutely messed up

[@ronnieitaquab1008]

Yep.Thats the long time method of the boomer generation is to kick problems down the road

[@murfmurf313]

No, they'd like to make it manageable. Right now it's pure chaos.

[@danomyte67]

@@murfmurf313 and how will kicking people out and arrests make it more manageable?

[@murfmurf313]

@@danomyte67 Moving them (forcefully if necessary) to areas designated to allow homeless people to camp, along with some proper facilities and transport access would allow cities to recover and better management of the situation. Once in one place it would be possible to provide even better infrastructure to deal with it. You can't just "kick people out" without being able to point to a place to go. Arrests would only be if people failed to comply.

[@intheouts]

if you think its this simple then let them build camps in your yard, fill it full of trash, and then get violent when you tell them to leave @@danomyte67

[@Letnothinggotowaste]

CA spent “Billions”? I’m sure apartments could have been built to house all CA homeless (starting with Veterans). This funding typically winds up being spent on those that administer the funds.

[@darrellcook8253]

Exactaly that.And half of the funds set aside for affordable housing goes to Mc Mansions that sell for over a million dollars get built because of "mixed use" ordinances. And who profits from that? You figure it out, I'm tired of doing others thinking for them.

[@Chris-zq4bd]

Solve the problem & stop pushing it in the corner!!!! If there aren't enough shelters or affordable housing then there needs to be a solution.

[@DeadCat-42]

The really funny thing is, a lot of homeless have jobs and PAY TAX.. (why we tax the poor is beyond me, I have wealthy relatives who pay less than I did delivering pizza. )

[@Durka-Durka]

No they don't. They must be spending their money on drugs then

[@rarefruit2320]

That’s the US 🇺🇸

[@KurlandHickory]

This is a common trope but not based in reality. Did you know half of California's income tax is paid by like 150k people? That's like 0.1% of the population paying half. It's because they're wealthy they get taxed through the roof.

[@murfmurf313]

and yet people will raise a ruckus if you mention making *billionaires* pay their fair share.

[@DeadCat-42]

Mandatory prison sentences for money hidden overseas, one yer per million. no one I know would be opposed to that, just punishing a high level crime boss right, that's just right from wrong. I pay my taxes like a non-criminal. @@murfmurf313

[@conniedean3787]

(Matthew 25:35) For I was a stranger you invited me in (Homeless) whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine you did for me 😢

[@user-bluetopaz777]

Well you need to post the whole thing. Jesus sends rich people to hell because they wouldn't help the poor. Matthew 25:31-46.

[@conniedean3787]

@@user-bluetopaz777 (Matthew 25:35) For I was hungry you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty you gave me something to drink, I needed clothes you clothed me I was sick you looked after me whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine you did for me 🙏

[@user-bluetopaz777]

@conniedean3787 That's not the whole thing. The church isn't teaching this entire scripture. They've been busy preaching a selfish name it claim it gospel instead of preaching what Matthew 25 says. "When you did not do it for the least of these you did not do it for me. Depart from Me to hell reserved for the devil and his angels, for I never knew you." People need to learn the truth. I think those are the most stern words of Jesus in the Bible.

[@Gabrie177]

​@@user-bluetopaz777 Agreed, some people only cherry pick verse, cut and edit. .. thank you 👍

[@margaretwrein9606]

Give them housing. Then you will not have this problem. Are there any vacant buildings? Make them houses on wheels and build a community. This is so sad.A country that I'd wealthy.

[@goodtohaveinajam8148]

What about all the filth? The piles of horrible, toxic, unsafe garbage, and the local theft and break ins? What about the extra numbers of drug overdoses, vandalism, violence and lawlessness? Prostitution and drug dealing? Seen all this in my own neighborhood.

[@timhazeltine3256]

Satan, Thank you for your insightful comments. ​@@PallasAthenian

[@user-bluetopaz777]

People will do anything to buy food.

[@pikachu2003]

Affordable housing??? Ask yourself how many Billions were spent to end homelessness and then how many are homeless?

[@patriciajoyce3051]

What are people supposed to do if they don’t have no were to go ❤

[@bloodybabyface]

@patriciajoyce… invite a few in your residence. That’s a start.

[@LivE-cs6cd]

Finland soved this crisis! They got the ideas from the US! We need to pressure politicians local on up to follow Finland’s example on homelessness!

[@jamesbrown9721]

Yeah, there way is to provide housing first. Well duh! We don't need to follow Finland's approach, when we could follow what people in America have been saying for decades

[@bambinaforever1402]

How is that allowed for them to camp on pedestrian ways? They violate a pedestrian right for safe path along a road

[@jerrybooker-bm4nu]

And can I get these phoney, allegedly trespassing charges off my record,too! How the hell do you get arrested for being at a public park after hours??? That's just remembered ridiculous and it's evil.

[@jamesbrown9721]

Seems like some people in the comment section weren't listening to the woman in the news clip who said "we can't arrest our way out of the homeless crises." That's really the bottom line. If the state can't provide shelter, these people got to sleep somewhere

[@-dash]

What’s that got to do with the Constitution?

[@chrismadison305]

And you still don't get it. That doesn't mean we should make excuses for bad behavior they still need to be held accountable when they break the law. Also, we shouldn't coddle their bad behavior which has caused to make it a bigger issue.

[@mistamista5095]

@@chrismadison305lol bad behavior 😂 hush child.

[@donnabrown4470]

They should not block side walks, Parks sounds better ❤

[@user-bluetopaz777]

Oh no, they're not allowed in the parks. They're not allowed to be anywhere. That's the problem. That's why they're on the sidewalks.

[@tinadiesman5442]

I thought drugs and violence was the problem. No, apparently it's affordable housing.

[@saratemp790]

In our medium sized town, we have a large homeless shelter next to a salvation army. With a big chain link fence around it. It is in a commercial area, low budget, by a busy road. The people there hang out outside, but they don't bother anybody. They seem to be pretty satisfied with it.

[@StarScream10hut]

Locally, cty offizielzl make homelessness a full time job. 3 different locations for breakfast, Lunch, dinner, miles apart, long distance to roll a wheelchair on broken, unsafe, unmaintained sidewalks. Restricted access to toilets(with bidets)during 'business' hours. My Dreamteam include someday operating a 24 hour toilet, shower, mask distribution points(with biohazard disposal bins nearby) And permanent housing, transferrable between states until we unite them... a permanent solution.

[@StarScream10hut]

Basically, Start treating homeless people as person(s) with inalienable rights. See if they react differently. Maybe make it a law that every person should have access to toilets and running water and fine municipalities monetarily that have deemed those Things NON-ESSENTIAL. The Real Crux of the Problem is, are we Willing to have the millions of employed taxpayers working in the multibillion$ homeless industry sleeping on sidewalks and collecting foodstamps? Because they would be out of a job if we collectively solved the problem that any middle schooler could solve.

[@byrontownsel7274]

It's cruel and unusual punishment to have live near these junkies and thieves.

[@user-zo9dq6qc3c]

Is it not possible to open abandoned buildings, set up cots and provide oversee to help the homeless?

[@truth2power463]

Nothing is impossible. It is merely a matter of political will.

[@darrylmars]

The only reason we have homeless in the richest nation on Earth is politicians don't care.

[@PennyDavis-cm9tl]

They used old homes with matresse on the floor when I was in Anihiem.

[@byrontownsel7274]

Only if you're Mexican.

[@davidtherwhanger6795]

Actually yes it is impossible. Those abandoned buildings do not have the facilities required by law to house anyone. Many of those buildings are not owned by the government, but by some individual or business, so the government would then have to seize those buildings from their owners. And finally most of those buildings are in areas not zoned as residential, so the local governments would have to change the zoning status of those areas, opening another can of worms as other facilities in those areas would then have to cease operations as they would no longer be zoned for industrial use. So the government cannot use them. Not without screwing up a ton of other things.

[@savageinstitute9569]

It is cruel and unusual to have residents suffer the sidewalks infested with psycho addicts.

[@tizocalonzo7652]

It's not good to stereotype why each person ended up down on their luck.

[@usereEyez6208]

Ruling on it, but not offering the money to help.

[@lhc81]

They can live and camp in Hollywood and I can’t build a house in my land in Agua Dulce because there’s no water meter👍

[@Crismodin]

Just build them some god damn homes already, take a piece of vacant land, build an apartment building specifically for housing the homeless, add support services to it, repeat process and remove homeless people from the sidewalks and city properties. If they refuse, forcefully give them a home. It's not a hard concept but if you guys want to continue spending $7+ billion dollars a year to do absolutely nothing useful, you do you. We are not united in this country. We are divided.

[@jameseverett245]

what about the rights of taxpayers? and people who have to see this disgusting crap? this is cruel and unusual for the people who have to put up with this. send them away

[@chaz5229]

Some homeless DON'T want a home. Sad but true. So what do you do about those souls...FORCE them into a home? Everyone's story isn't the same...so solutions will vary. There is NO one solution.

[@FlyerPatty29]

As far as I’m concerned, all this camping in the sidewalks, and in the street and then peoples yards in the parks, it has to stop. There’s no sanitation needles and poop or everywhere in California and I hope who’s ever the judge that decides this has some common sense.

[@mikebaird6788]

The greatest majority of these people who would want this housing are not going to take it because there's going to be rules attached like no drugs or no alcohol at the shelter and they aren't going to agree with that That's why they're on the street

[@Blueskys1972]

The day they are allowed to sleep and trash anywhere they please is the day I stop paying property taxes! This is bs

[@William-Bill-Munny]

We are living in 3 movies right now.... A Clockwork Orange, Idiocracy & The Rocky Horror Picture Show.

[@francesmeyer8478]

Just where are these people supposed to go? They aren't, for the most part, on the street by choice. Laws of physics says a person has to be somewhere. Where are they to go?

[@carlahart4590]

Back across the border

[@francesmeyer8478]

Whatever the reason they still occupy space. Law of physics. @@Steve-ou4vm

[@francesmeyer8478]

Really? What about the homegrown ones?@@carlahart4590

[@bobbymoss6160]

This is not a homeless issue, it's a lawless issue. When people refuse help and wanna do things their way, breaking multiple laws while claiming inequality, something doesn't add up.

[@mgreg8134]

Wow that's a stretch so everybody else gets the right to self determination except homeless people.

[@gmc9753]

@@mgreg8134 Homeless people can do what they want -- as long as they're not breaking any laws.

[@gmc9753]

@StevenBazin-bp4sc Being expected to follow society's rules isn't being born with a silver spoon in hand.

[@jonesfactor9]

@@gmc9753educate yourself about homelessness. They aren’t all criminals or drug addicts. In fact, most aren’t.

[@BC.......]

It is not. It is an issue of massive inequality and a lack of housing options, along with ridiculous zoning laws that keep people from building anything other than inefficient single family homes and parking lots that take up stupid amounts of land. Billionaires should be the ones sent to prison.

[@stephaniehampton3525]

Where is all the billions going?? Give you one guess!!!😡🤬🥵

[@musicstream26]

The sidewalks are not camping grounds. They are for pedestrian use. Tents block free passage. It's a violation of disabilities act, too. It's same thing as setting up tents in the middle of the road.

[@beautifulrose8619]

good point

[@IzludeTingel]

grapes of wrath depicted govt owned facilities that allowed homeless to pick fruit or crop and pay rent with their earnings, even contribute by cleaning up to lower their rent. they even had showers and restrooms. simply implement a drug ban on the facility IF the homeless wanna stay there. if they do drugs, the can continue living on the street, otherwise it's a facility to give them a chance. also, thailand has interesting homeless arrangements. they plant fruit trees around their cities, regular joe (homeless notably) can pick the fruit at any time and eat. the city even has jobs for harvest and cleanup so these trees don't create piles of waste. all i see around here are ornamental trees that don't really do much for anyone.

[@LaurieHaley-jy8py]

They're great ideas except for when you mention that the homeless must be drug free to stay there because for most that's why they choose to stay on street rather than be clean and move forward with life. They've got to come up with ideas though it's soo wrong to allow them to camp on the street the rest of the people including kids don't deserve to have to dodge needles and poop to enter a business nor do the businesses deserve to lose customers and profits that way

[@darrellcook8253]

We could have a garden of Eden but greed and stupidity rules. If I could buy a property I'd yank out every useless (in most cases toxic) landscape plants and trees and replace them with a food bearing landscape. It's not hard.

[@jondoe9389]

Arresting people for being homeless, just make the person luse what little they do have. Imagine yourself losing everything over and over again. This will not solve the problem, it will just make it worse.

[@savage1469]

I've been sleeping in my car for 3 years because rent is waaaay to expensive and make 22 bucks an hour and still can't afford it.

[@deaddropsd1972]

One bad accident & this can happen to us-

[@mysticofmaddness9180]

It’s funny how people will spend enough money trying to pain people off of their property to house them 5 times over.

[@anthonymurphy2540]

Its not that there is not enough housing, its addiction that’s causing homeless.

[@darrellcook8253]

When local ordinances are cruel and don't offer any real affordable options then resistance will become a new normal. WHERE YOU ARE THEY SUPPOSED TO GO, UP? Up up and away? People forced onto the street aren't going to just dissolve . They have a life too but our society doesn't recognise that unless you are rich and have a lot of empty houses that are blocked from the open market. The ordinance makers are living it up on our dime. Cruelty is their motto and policy. Prove me wrong, you can't.

[@dianegreen1937]

How do we give BILLIONS to people overseas and not have places for AMERICANS to have a place called home. Where do you go when you lose your job, income and apartment. Where are people to go, and what are AMERICANS supposed to do?? Explain, please. Not all are drug addicted or mentally ill.

[@F4ze0ne]

Capitalism. I got miine.

[@XXXDomtacion]

It’s almost like they’re saying homeless people have no business being alive.

[@melonlab80]

​@@F4ze0nethe government stealing money and giving it away is not capitalism, its cronieism

[@abolisher]

Stay away from drugs

[@user-bluetopaz777]

Exactly.

[@Pinkielover]

use common sense, I actually am homeless going on six years, but I still have my vehicle to sleep in.. it's gotten considerably worse here in Arizona.. from what I've heard, you get to stay one night in a homeless shelter here because they're so overrun.. and in some cases, they won't even take you if you're a man.. already brought a few people and they were turned away when it was 115° out. The guy was 75 years old. They told him women and children they are only taking.. there's a parking lot that's owned by the city that has cameras in the corners. The parking lot is very well lit , and it's a block from the police station out of harms way more recently. People are staying in their vehicle sleeping in that parking lot... every so often they'll harass them.. here's my thing. These people have nowhere to go there living out of their vehicles. you let these people stay in their vehicles as long as they're not causing trouble or a mess .. of course there's a few people that like to make a mess of everything but I've even cleaned up after them during the daytime because I can't stand seeing garbage everywhere but it's very few people that will do that.. let these people stay overnight in these parking lots that are very well lit that the police can just drive through and see if there's any trouble they drive through anyway because it's right near the police station... I see what goes on there because I'm parked in the street near this location.. supposedly they're not supposed to bother you when you're there but they still bother you even if you're perfectly parked in a public street they'll come knocking on your door to intimidate.. but yeah, these locations can be found in any city just convert them or just allow it.. instead of going down every street in the city and kicking these people out. At least they have somewhere to be in one spot. I'd say at least 30 different vehicles but yeah, something like what's going on in California and in Central Phoenix... dedicate a field near the area that they're helping or need help with bathrooms and stuff like that portable John's.. remember homeless people still pay taxes you can be homeless and still working . People seem to think that homeless people are just deadbeats or druggies I'm neither.. mine is more by choice because I wanted to experience things and I've learned so much the past six years I would never change a thing open my eyes big time to what's going on

[@kiddadd]

I have never chosen to be homeless, but have been. America could solve this problem and has the resources but not the heart.

[@nemo9540]

So where the hell are they supposed to go and stay warm and dry? Especially during the winter what is needed is more compassion, living on the streets is hard enough but getting off the streets and into affordable housing and rebuilding lives is almost impossible.

[@willywonka69xx]

Looking forward to a rational court decision.

[@jimmyday9536]

A rational court decision? LOL

[@user-fy9kn2ki3k]

People are denial when people are homeless these people didn't get this way on their own this became a big number from 2020 I've lived there so I know I was one of them save those who are less fortunate then others why would people want to be bothered with people who are going through things people are taken advantage of and was thrown out of their homes or their place we can't expect people to get ahead in life when they're being held back no one should be InSalved Any more we must help each other along this journey is not for a self-centered person but for a selfless person what you do for others God will do for you be a blessing to someone today who you don't know God bless All Jesus help those in need Thank you Jesus 🙏❣️ Amen

[@kimcissell1905]

Hyperinflation. Depression. Economic collapse.

[@chrismadison305]

Well they are involved in doing drugs. It's not a housing issue it's a drug issue.

[@cj20080]

As someone who has been down the path of drug abuse and addiction that most of the homeless are entangled in, I can tell you that it wouldn't matter if housing cost $20 a month. $20 is a hit, or several, and the hit comes before anything else. Now, you can provide "free" housing to these people, as long as there are no conditions applied to it (sobriety for example) and as long as those around them who are paying for their housing don't mind the squalor, the filth, the crime.

[@user-bluetopaz777]

Not all homeless are drunks and addicts. Many are old and/or sick.

[@Eugene-tg1oi]

Finally, someone who gets it.....the problem and solution is not affordable housing😅😅

[@Eugene-tg1oi]

​@@user-bluetopaz777Less than 10% of the homeless are elderly... Many may be sick but is in correlation to their addiction(s). The problem isn't housing, its behavior.🤔

[@pattiannepascual]

exactly. thank you for speaking up. only a mandatory, long term inpatient program they can't exit is the only solution, that or jail. The program needs detox, lessons on managing money, hygiene, normal human behavior and manners and education. Even if it's trade school so they have no excuse for not getting a job when they finish the program. Strict monitoring when they get out with instant long term jail if they mess up again. But this won't happen because coddling the lazy, criminals, scammers, etc, is part of installing socialism in America. People need to wake up to understand why all of this insanity is being allowed.

[@justmehello5543]

and some people are happy without making a slave wage and know how to do without.

[@davyboy5824]

Where there’s homeless there’s drugs and crime 💯

[@braylonmaverick2617]

And fleas.

[@AllThingsLucy]

Cities should designate spaces! This is outrageous. Our tax dollars pay to have sidewalks not encampments !!!

[@jonesfactor9]

We are supposed to be the greatest, wealthiest, most Christian nation on earth. Yet, we are the only major country with this massive homeless situation. Other countries care for their homeless, instead of criminalizing them. We have the money, space and resources, we just refuse to show our compassion and supposed Christian love.

[@rarefruit2320]

The US cares for large corporations and that’s it.

[@JohnPrepuce]

There is a huge homeless population precisely because we are so wealthy. It is easier to live as a bum in the US because everyone can get free stuff too easily. Homeless people here live better than regular citizens of other countries. They have phones, food, access to clothing and free shelter (if they choose it) not to mention drugs and alcohol, which are much easier to acquire in the US. Other countries also forcibly imprison or otherwise detain, mentally unstable people. Remember, the US also pays billions every year to the poor, something that simply does not happen in a lot of countries. The more affluent (and free) a nation, the more people you will have drop out of society because it is simply easier to do that, then get up every morning and go to work like the rest of us.

[@caradelatorre7710]

You should know that are on welfare are deserving of it. The may have fallen on hard times and had to take low wage jobs which are easy to find and barely support one person no way a family. There are Las lots disabled adults and their families who live on one income and need help. The are also more and more homeless seniors because of solely livings of Social security. Do most people know that ss is an average of 10 to up to thirty years if your highest pay. So if you never made more then fifty thousand a year or were unemployed that will cause your ss to be around $1500 or less a month.

[@patrickhandley627]

Also you don't want to make desperate people even more desperate. They tend to start actively causing harm when they reach the point of nothing left to lose. Especially when society has shown it is actively against them. In such a situation the unthinkable becomes rational thought because the system has already damned you so why abide by the rules that they have set in place.

[@magesalmanac6424]

They don’t have the motivation to cause more harm than leaving poop on the sidewalk.

[@TheBilly]

Agreed. I think this is why we provide food support to the needy, but little else - because if you actually starve large groups of people, that's when you push them to the point of violent unrest.

[@philipiano001]

That's the situation now. 🤔

[@user-bluetopaz777]

Actually it's from bitterness that forms in their soul after being mistreated for being homeless over a period of time. The homeless get insulted and assaulted often, along with just being ignored all together. And some people are homeless because they are mean and wicked people. Those are the ones who are very toxic; so toxic that they would not be allowed to live a normal life in society.

[@wmpmacm]

Society isn't against them. Real Estate interests prefer to charge high rents and could care less who lives in the street as long as it isn't outside their door.

[@dawnmorris466]

Homeless ppl have no rights if we don't do something about this problem our kids and grandkids will have a much higher rate of becoming homeless the homeless needs a strong voice for them

[@connections16]

I have met a lot of homeless people who choose to be homeless and don't want to be part of society

[@samsclub18]

Well. That will definitely put a halt to anymore encampment clearing by the mayor now 🤷‍♂️

[@BobHansen-ik1ln]

Why are they allowed to sleep in parks or on the sidewalks. But not allowed to Use Courtrooms as a warming shelter like they do the police stations

[@darrellcook8253]

Not around here, if you walk into a local police station and complain about freezing they'll arrest you and throw you in jail then charge you hotel rates to keep you there. Then you get dumped in another county no matter what the weather is outside. With a huge bill for their trouble. Nice huh? It's what's on the menu. Bon apetit!