Sur-Ron X Suspension Setup & Review

[@iamaturdle1514]

You guys are awesome. This video is exactly what I was looking for. Can't wait until you start selling contollers and other parts. You guys definitely know what you're doing.

[@lightning_dynamics]

thx soo much, I was spinning and testing but opening both just 1 click is genius

[@CJMoto]

Can you add the setting to the description for this video that would be awesome. Sounds like you always go count of clicks out from all the way in when adjusting stuff?? Great info this was your best video yet.

[@emotobros]

Hey CJ, I added the setup to the description - Thanks for the idea. Regarding the adjusters. Most all industries count clicks from all the way turned inward (most damping) but the sur-ron has a backward damper on the rear shock and a preload the spins forever so two of the settings are measured from all the way out, rather than the typical all the way in.

[@electricexploring9518]

@@emotobros the preload does not spin forever it spins 15 times in either direction. On a side note my rebound has 19 clicks ???

[@alexd.7225]

My sur ron rides waaay better now!! I just divided your clicks by how much I weigh and it works! Thanks

[@NoProDad]

Just playing around with my suspension, this was very helpful, thanks!

[@spicynoodle9330]

Really good stuff guys. Keep it up.

[@jayfalcon22]

Great 👍 video,,, very helpful.. All the upcoming videos are exactly what I want to see..I would also love to see a video on building a 21” wheel for the front.. it seems to be the hardest mod to get.

[@emotobros]

I am glad you liked the video! Currently the plan is to wear out the new front tire (video on that is being edited), and then build a new wheel. In all honesty though, the more that I ride the less convinced I am a 21" wheel is necessary, and I would prefer to keep the front end as light as possible. We ride pretty aggressively and have not have any problems with the rims so far. An 18" rear wheel however would be more useful just on the basis of tire selection. That being said, it is very possible that we will do a video on it on at some point, thanks for the input. - Cole

[@unkelfaka6216]

Pegs support bar and 1/4 throttle upgrade? Your videos are rad!

[@emotobros]

@@unkelfaka6216 Here is the link to the peg support bar: americansurron.com/products/sur-ron-light-bee-foot-pegs-support-brace (the fitment is not perfect). 1/4 throttle can also be found on this website however is only applicable to wire throttle and our bike came with electronic throttle which we are happy with.

[@cooperstevens9512]

Thank you! Great video. I'm a beginning rider, so this was very helpful.

[@thumperjr100]

Absolutely enjoy these videos. I'm in the process of buying a couple Sur-Rons soon. Look like fun.

[@dexked]

This is awesome. Great info and nice riding! Liked and subbed

[@JuicyScoop]

Nice video! Also, let me know about brake adjustment too.

[@emotobros]

What brake adjustment are you referring to? If you are curious about installing new pads, here is a link to our brake pad installation and test video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/sJStqnVvYq-NhdE The only adjustment these brakes have is a reach adjustment on the levers, but that is simply rotating an allen key on the master cylinder so I don't know if that really justifies it's own video, and we accidentally left it out of the other video because it came fine from the factory.

[@gear323]

Make sure you order the H03A brake pads! They are awesome

[@gareth5000]

Great work lads. Mine is coming next month and I'll be watching your set up videos for sure:)

[@HasaniWallace]

Thanks for the video, very helpful!

[@BradleyADavis]

Great video. Thanks guys!

[@mgm151]

It will be great to watch these jumps from a side view too. 👍🏻

[@molokaibicycles]

Great video! Lots of useful information. I agree, the suspension on the Sur Ron is by far from the best. My Specialized Turbo Levo Comp kills it. But at about half the cost, I can’t complain. This video really helped. By the way, the tires that came with the black edition sucks. I replaced them right off the bat. Much, much happier now.

[@mmd7774]

Great video guys keep up the good work! 👌🏼

[@shawnracoma7245]

Really enjoyjng your guyses expertise and experience regarding bike operations. If you haven't already, can you do something on brakes.

[@shanelagonoy8769]

Can you make a video similar to this but for the kke forks and shock? would really appreciate it as I dont know much about setting these up

[@johnminnick1228]

keep up the good content lads

[@brett20000000009]

Thanks for the video I have no clue when it comes to suspension setup your settings should give me a good base to start from.

[@Vinylectric]

Appreciate the details, I’ll reference this when I hopefully get one 🤙🏼

[@MrFuzziiWuzzii]

Did you

[@thomasrboyd]

excellent information!

[@vanessagonzalez4854]

Could you do a video on how to set up the suspension on the RST Killah Fork ?

[@emotobros]

If someone wants to send us one we definitely can! Otherwise we give some good tips in this video that can be used for any fork.

[@BlindRodneyRC]

Really good job ;) But need HELP... I'm french and don't understand the expression : from the way in and from the way out... What's the way to turn? To screw or to unscrew? Sur-Ron are amazing ;)

[@emotobros]

In = screw , out = unscrew

[@BlindRodneyRC]

@@emotobros thank you very much ;) good ride to you

[@Rick-uy4kp]

3:37: "we like 2/13 clicks out from all the way in." Notes: Shock Rebound: 2/13 in from all the way out (this damper is backwards) Which one? Edit: Never mind. 4:15 'We set rebound all the way open which is close to our preferred setup.' Still, you might want to make the notes more clear.

[@emotobros]

Yes we meant from all the way in like we said because the damper is backwards.

[@GlassfilmWeddings]

i need clarification. What are they saying? Why cant they use the F and S to tell us direction pls

[@lvlack420]

subscribed....did my pre-order june 30th....still waitin, got the gates belt system installed by luna, only becuzz the pedal kits were on back order.... now the pedals r in, i ordered those as well... now its gonna be a pain 2 switch it back.....i need that " compliance" part...its a must here...otherwise ...piggie_problems ...lolololool.....sooo... maybe a belt 2 pedal kit video???...thanks

[@emotobros]

We looked into getting the belt system and we don't feel that it would be good for our type of riding. The chains are quite a bit stronger and deal with mud and dirt significantly better. I would however recommend the belt for anyone who wants to ride on the road, and if we end up doing a super-moto build we will for sure make a video on it.

[@IROC-ROB]

Quick question. Wouldn’t a coilover adjustment wrench work if the spring is to hard to adjust?

[@nagelmotox284]

Any idea why my preload adjuster won't turn on the fork like it's seized or locked in place. Tried listening the triple clamps but had no luck getting it to turn

[@dschwep7]

do you know if the shock rebound has improved on the 2022 Sur-ron X Light Bee ?

[@CJMoto]

100 Subscribers!! Boom

[@PITprojects]

Great videos guys! I certainly could learn a thing or two in terms of editing and informative content from yall. I look forward to seeing what you do with the bike from here. Feel free to reach out with any questions regarding ownership/maintenance/upgrades. I've had mine 2 years and done almost every upgrade available besides suspension (which is completely adequate for me because I only use mine on roads).

[@emotobros]

Glad you like it! We are currently in talks with ASI and have become a distributor for their controllers. Cole and I are planning on tuning and selling them. Seeing that you have an ASI controller, got any advice for us in that department? Looking forward to seeing more of your content!

[@PITprojects]

@@emotobros THAT IS HUGE! I was an early asi adopter and hated ERT because Alan Hu is a complete idiot. He gave me a controller with messed up firmware, so I had to learn to program my controller on my own with the help of Martin from asi. Having a new distributor would be huge for the US market. I would LOVE to promote you guys both on my channel and to the communities on FB and Reddit. I have read all of the literature on the asi controllers and would be happy to help show you guys the ropes. My biggest advice is to talk to Martin Kurze though, guy is a total legend! Feel free to connect with me on instagram to talk more directly or email me in the about section of my channel! Best of luck!

[@First.Last.99]

Do you maybe know when 37 forks started to ship and until when they stopped? if the did

[@4Leaf36]

Could you guys talk about chains vs belts durability if you have any experience there. Basically I just love how quiet the belt is and would be on the streets primarily, but would still want to be able to go in the woods from time to time. Everything I read it sounds like belts will snap or get damaged if something gets into them

[@kalcampbell6580]

What size spanner tool for rear shock adjustment?

[@ghettogrower5734]

Have you come across a sur-ron with the fast ace forks yet? I can not find information online about them! They are odd forks i cant even find a set for sale

[@C3DU2]

I just recently bought a sur-ron x, I weigh 220lbs trying to figure out the best way to set up suspension, any tips?

[@1lifeonearth]

will bottoming-out the rear shock break it/is it bad/really bad for it ?

[@emotobros]

Depends how hard/often you do it. I’ve never seen a rear shock on the SurRon break to the point where you cant ride on it, but plenty of times people have bottomed and blew out the damper. That’s really all you have to worry about.

[@GlassfilmWeddings]

can you clarify the compression setting pls.?

[@bllgull]

Is it number 14 from the + side of the rebound to -?(14 times from the turtle to the rabbit?)

[@emotobros]

From all the way inward unless otherwise noted.

[@kurtblends9798]

When I just up and down my front suspension makes a clicking noise ! What could it be? It only had 40 miles (street riding)

[@justdrift1112]

What do you guys mean by 15 out of 16 clicks ? I’m confused ? Pleases help

[@BrianLampright913]

Does anybody else have a rear shock that the both adjustment knobs are impossible to turn by hand? I just put a pliers on it and can't move the blue compression adjuster. Thinking we somehow did internal damage to this shock through our riding, or it's just plain defective. Anyone else?

[@emotobros]

We have talked to people who have that issue as well. It’s a known problem.

[@surronzak8154]

I had it, I sparayed some WD40 into the little pin hole on the blue adjuster and a bit all over it, played back and forth until it unstuck, works fine now

[@GlassfilmWeddings]

Man i need clarification on the preload. Why you saying all the way in and out. How do we know where to start. Use he damn Hard and soft to tell us what is best from your testing.....

[@donniebutz5810]

Hey guys the current models have the option of the RST Killah in addition to the DNM Volcano. Any experience with the Killah? or how they compare to the Volcano?

[@emotobros]

Haven't ever ridden the killah but heard they are about the same as the DNM. Nothing special about them. If you find a good setup for it make sure to leave a comment here!

[@03birdmann]

@@emotobros I was trying to setup proper sag on the bike today. I have the fast ace rear shock. Do just tap on the lockring/nut to compress spring? Im at 19.5" reading and believe i need to be at 20.5" if i followed your equation right. Btw, your videos are super helpful!

[@03birdmann]

Turning my spring by hand either direction didnt seem to do anything. I didn't try moving the adjustable nut that sits on top of spring 🤔

[@emotobros]

@@03birdmann If tapping it with a punch and hammer doesn't move it there may be a set screw. Also helps to have the rear tire off the ground so that the spring is unloaded.

[@03birdmann]

@@emotobros Copy that. I didn't have the tire off the ground when i tried this the first time. Thanks for the advice guys!

[@DeaganZ3488]

What settings would you recommend with a 225lb rider.

[@surronzak8154]

Did you put fork oil in the forks?

[@xzavala9565]

What size of coil spring is appropriate? I ended up getting a rockshox 500lbs from ebay but it is at least 2 inches shorter

[@emotobros]

10.5x3.5 is proper size

[@luffyco1]

Hi, i’m french and i am not sur how to set up. All the way in mean turn left to right or right to left ? Thanks

[@emotobros]

In would be clockwise.

[@luffyco1]

@@emotobros thanks, to be sure Fork Rebound: 14 clicks in the clocwise ?

[@butterwh]

What do you mean when you say x amount of click from all the way in? Does that mean back off x clicks after you tighten it all the way?

[@emotobros]

Correct! Counterclockwise is out, clockwise is in.

[@butterwh]

@@emotobros I just found this video. I got the Segway x260 on the indiegogo campaign. Didn't even know there was a rebound knob on the rear. I'm 185 and it feels like I'm riding one of the coin operated safeway rides lmao.

[@ow-my-achilles1106]

Very well done instructional for setting sag. But at 2:50. I will tell you that when you disconnect a high pressure shock/fork pump, the small hiss of air released does NOT come out of the fork!! NO!! When you unscrew the shock pump, it allows the valve in the fork/shock to close completely preserving your measure pressure. As you continue to unscrew the air release is from the high pressure stored inside the pump hose and gauge. Is has nowhere to go except out the hose when you disconnect it. This has been a misconception for decades that the air pressure in the air shock/fork changes when disconnecting the pump, it does not. When you install a shock pump, the seal is made, then the valve stem core is opened by the connector, and air from inside the fork or shock enters the pump, this reading is VERY slightly lower than what it was before connecting. The amount of air inside a shock pump is trivial compared to the volume in a a fork or shock body.

[@emotobros]

I partially agree with what you’re saying, however the pump does effectively increase the relative volume and therefore decreases the pressure. It’s small but so is the air chamber on a shock. The pressure difference we measured was actually not because we just made an assumption. That difference was what our pump read and then what it actually tested to be with a high precision air gauge. Also, it depends on the functionality of your shock pump. Some, like ours, have a valve shutoff which minimizes air loss. Of course the pressure doesn’t really matter anyway as it’s all about how the bike feels.

[@LarryRichelli]

I was thinking of getting the Marzocchi Bomber Z1 fork but I am new to this and wondering if you could please tell me if this is the specs I would need: Thanks for any help you can give me: Chassis: 36mm Offset: 44mm Axle: 15x110 (QR) Damping: GRIP (compression+rebound) Spring: FLOAT EVOL AIR Steerer: 1.5 Tapered Aluminum Stanchions: 36 mm Black Anodized

[@emotobros]

The Bomber Z1 is a single crown fork so it's not quite robust enough for a surron. I'd look at something like the Bomber 58 which is a dual crown fork. You are looking for something with a 1 1/8" straight steerer, for a 27.5" tire and an uncut steerer tube. Also the axle dimensions are 110x20mm and the rake should be between 48-60. We have a video on installing the Fox 40 which is very similar to the Marzocchi that you should check out!

[@BrianLampright913]

Check out the video I just posted for the correct measurement of the head tube, if buy new it won’t be a problem but finding a used fork with a long enough head tube will be nearly impossible

[@bryanlansberry930]

Got my bike today with DNM Volcanoes and one of the forks has a blue o-ring towards the bottom of the shaft. Is this defective?

[@BrianLampright913]

The o-ring is used to determine how much suspension travel you are using and is commonly found on forks. The way you use it, is push the o-ring to the top of the fork tube so it touches the upper fork. Sit on your bike and then get off and you'll see that it moved. When you ride you can use this as a guage to how much suspension you are actually using on the trail and change your settings to use more or less suspension. So if it's only moving 3" and you have 8" travel you know that you have your suspension setup way too hard, if you are constantly using all of your travel then you might have it too soft.

[@maihhel3721]

TIP: if your coil shock is too soft and you have to tighten the coil so much that it cant be turned by hand id recommend getting a harder spring because tightening the coil so much that it cant be turned by hand will stress the shock exessively and will shorten the life of the shock

[@emotobros]

Just out of curiosity, how would tightening the spring stress the shock more than a stiffer spring? Springs are rated on a force per distance basis and by either tightening it or getting a stiffer one you’re effectively creating the same amount of force at rest and deeper into the stroke the shock would be stressed harder with a stiffer spring. With no one on the bike is the only time it’d make much difference and even then, if it can’t handle the stresses at rest it’ll certainly blow up under use. We definitely advocate for getting the proper spring but not because of the stress it applies on the shock.

[@maihhel3721]

@@emotobros alright this is hard to explain as english is not my national language but here we go. When you tighten a spring more and more it will put more stress on the top out of the shock and when you get a stiffer spring you dont have to preload the spring againts the top out of the shock thus reducing the force aplied to the shock when fully extended. I hope you know what i mean

[@skispyder2121]

What spring do you have on that dnm rear shock? I am looking to move up from my stock 450lbs spring but not sure what springs are compatible. Thanks.

[@emotobros]

On stock rear still. Just ordered a fox float and a dhx2 though so we will be moving away from the DNM setup.

[@skispyder2121]

@@emotobros nice! I would really like to know if the dhx2 spring fits on the dnm if you get the chance to find out.

[@emotobros]

Someone on the Facebook group May be able to answer that. The diameters of the springs are different so it won’t be a good fit even if you can get it on. I would recommend not putting anything onto your shock that wasn’t made for it.

[@Eisteeis]

Did you turn the preload all the way to + and than one half rev back or all the way to - and than one half rev back?

[@emotobros]

All the way negative then in.

[@Eisteeis]

@@emotobros thank you!

[@budwhite9781]

Thanks a lot👍

[@yeskaa13]

is ''all the way in'' Clockwise?

[@emotobros]

Yep!

[@gordondeitz7838]

Ok numbers guy ,you're thoughts on tire pressure?

[@emotobros]

Totally depends on tire and whether or not you are running tube or tubliss

[@Adampage69]

Normal that i feel almost no rebound with your setting?thanks

[@emotobros]

Definitely. Our settings are for our weights and riding style. Adjust to what feels best for you.

[@Adampage69]

@@emotobros thanks for the reply i make sur ron video myself but enjoy watching your channel alot its great

[@GeoffreyGonzales]

thanks

[@jayfalcon22]

After some riding with the DNM forks any thoughts on performance difference when compared to the RST Killah forks? Would be interesting to compare since Luna is offering the option between the two.

[@emotobros]

Both of us have only ever ridden the DNM fork so we have no good way to compare. However, on most forums, the consensus is that if you have the option you should go with the DNM.

[@05rc51ryan]

My buddy and I blew out the valving on our RST forks. IMO they're a huge downgrade from the DNM forks. I bought a set of DNM forks from Luna and had my buddy revalve to handle big jumps.

[@clubsportrubitech5370]

Did you open the fork one time ... if yes fist thing is to put real seals and oil in the front ..there is grease inside . And the rear change nothing between open and close rebound . But i think you know this 😂

[@hamzahmushtaq877]

My rear suspension is creaking so loudly what's wrong?

[@emotobros]

Is it the suspension creaking or the linkagec

[@hamzahmushtaq877]

@@emotobros let me check

[@hamzahmushtaq877]

@@emotobros actually I think it may be the linkage

[@hamzahmushtaq877]

@@emotobros I just fixed it, the linkage was over torqued, I just loosened it a bit and now it's snug but no hard rubbing

[@emotobros]

Repacking then with grease at regular intervals will help prevent wear as well

[@costaracing22]

Is this shotgun creek?

[@emotobros]

It absolutely is, good eye. Edit: got videos mixed up. This one is at a local spot, Fox suspension video is at shotgun.

[@costaracing22]

@@emotobros oh cool. Looks amazing. Mind sharing the local spot? Im a fellow Oregonian.

[@jianfengsky7821]

helpful

[@vinuezaer]

Great

[@bikeninja956]

sweet video. Pro level. So is it really pronounced "Sure" - on....?? ~:

[@emotobros]

It is really pronounced like that, unless myself and many other have been saying it wrong haha.

[@CJMoto]

I call it a Sur Ron lol amazing video! Def gonna give your guys a shout out amazing work keep it up and you will be at 1K subscribers in no time.

[@bryanberesford7521]

No... it's pronounced "Sur-Ron"...

[@emotobros]

@@bryanberesford7521 Just a joke between us haha, we know the right way to say it.

[@CmdrTigerKing]

SIR ON .. not sure-on

[@emotobros]

Heh

[@CmdrTigerKing]

I like mom an dads house,,, wtf need to know PEMDAS ?

[@phildesrochers8047]

what do they mean " x/x amount of clicks ***from all the way in*** " ??? what is all the way in? all the way in all the way clockwise? so 15/16 from all the way in is clicking it 15 times turning clockwise? lmao

[@emotobros]

If you're screwing something in, that's clockwise inward. 15 from all the way in would be turn all the way clockwise until it stops then listen for 15 clicks counter clockwise. This is how people in the suspension industry reffer to adjustments so we are following suit.