Haydenshapes "Holy Grail" Surfboard Review by Noel Salas EP.41

[@skippywinters]

Hey Noel once again thanks for the review. You’re the only one actually reviewing boards and showing us what to expect based on your experience and not just describing what the manufacturer wants to sell. All of that coupled with different fin setup, often different dims. Thanks again

[@johnnyesleo]

One of the most complete and concrete reviews I ever watched no chit chat just go straight to the point, thank you man

[@MojoP]

Dropped in by chance on Noel's channel, couple *hours* later...hooked. I just wanted some intel on this Hayden board, but what do I find? Amazing technical description breakdown, zero fluff - talks the talk ✅ Then goes out and slays all manner of waves - walks the walk ✅ Gets my "Like" and definitely hit the subscribe button ✅ And now I'm talking to HS about ordering one HG and one HK both FF ✅ Epic channel - THANK YOU Noel!! Answered every question I had and really appreciate your focus on fin selection with all your reviews. I'm a fanatic about base concavities/contours + fin selection, you were the voice inside my head 💯 EDIT: HAVE to add - the filler music?? Absolutely killer... Just killer.

[@vikingdaytrip4447]

Great review on a board I've heard nothing but praise from ordinary journeyman surfers as well. At first glance I always think Noel is Slater cuz of the obvious, but his power, style and flow are so similar that it makes it look like he's making any board work. It's his honest, basic opinion though that translates to the every person surfer out there cuz he's riding off the rack models. The shapers and board manufacturers are lucky to have him. Always a class act Noel even in the face of criticism. Keep up the great work my man!

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

Viking Day Trip Wow thanks for the kind words. So stoked you like the review. Slater is my favorite surfer so I will take those compliments to the bank. Ha

[@d-dog2106]

You are the man!!! Best surf account on youtube. Thank you for your excellent in depth reviews 🤝

[@bushkey]

Sick review! Matching up fins with the boards is always very helpful for people as there are so many options. Out of all your reviews this year, I think this board was one of the funnest to watch you surf on. I really enjoyed My HG at lowers the other day, it's a keeper. I know you love and prefer to ride smaller boards, but It looked a tad small for you in the bigger waves. Next big anticipated review...Gamma baby! Thanks again for another polished review!

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

Cheers... so stoked you like the review and thanks for posting that you like yours too. Cheers!!!

[@mobyvic6900]

Mate out of all the boards ive seen you ride in your reviews, you surf best on this one

[@dkilla01]

One of the best daily drivers I have ever owned. The board is super responsive. It feels like a mix of a groveler and a high performance board morphed together. I caught one of the best waves of my life yesterday @ Blacks on this board. The side cut in the tail and helps you get into position right away

[@dkilla01]

Right now this board is seriously killing my quiver

[@dkilla01]

The board flexes different than a normal PU because of that parabolic frame but once you dial that board in it is super fun

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

Miguel Marquina Thanks for posting....

[@ncncam23]

@@dkilla01 you don't feel like it gets kind of stuck if you're trying to roast down the line. Off my fronthand I'm feeling that over a PU board.

[@HappyChillmore]

@@ncncam23 I got an el tomo fish and felt multiple times like it was “getting stuck” like you just said. Especially when trying to pump/carve down the line, like when I would go to the top of the wave to go back down I would get stuck and catch a rail or something. I’m wondering what the Fuck is going on. I’m a good surfer and have never had this happen, but I usually ride album boards which are I guess a little more forgiving or something? Hoping maybe I just need to get used to it but I’m still wondering why I’m catching rails

[@alexeyvoko]

Thanks for the review Joel! got one after watching. I’m 5’10 170 , so I got a 5’9 at 29.5L which is what I normally ride here in San Diego. Super responsive and paddles great, love the board.

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

Alexey Volochenko Still one of my all time favorites. Such a unique design and shreds so hard. Love this HG!!!!

[@jackschreuder5657]

noel rips doesn't matter what he rides

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

Yewww!!! Cheers!

[@valdo9482]

Yeah I think a lot of viewers try to pin point it to a specific board but if you rip you rip, doesn't really matter too much about the board as long as you've got more or less the right board for the conditions. You don't see too drastic differences between the boards in his surfing but again he's still able to feel which ones click more than others. Fins are definitely becoming more and more interesting, Noel doing an excellent job on explaining the different fin templates.

[@boltup5566]

@@surfnshowreviews7777 could you surf a random crappy beach break sometime. Most of us dont surf lowers.

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

Connor Pearson Ok, but I won’t do it much... a crappy beach break is going to be 1 maneuver waves. We won’t learn anything about a board from that.

[@boltup5566]

@@surfnshowreviews7777 you could bring 3 to 4 boards and compare them in one sesh! Salt creek or huntington. Id like to see a more average joe break.

[@dkilla01]

Wow, everything I need to know about the board in less than15 minutes! You the man. I hope you’re getting some waves up there, I appreciate you. Cheers

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

Miguel Marquina Cheers!!!

[@jasonbylsma3867]

Hey Noal, i dont see a review of the Hypto Krypto, i know its an older board now but it would be great for you to break it down. Thanks

[@Honestly__now]

Thanks Noel you led me the right direction. My money was well spent!!! my 2 cents after having both. Keep in mind not quite apples to apples since the volume of my hypto is 1.5 liters more. To me that is significant - feel difference. I am a huge fan of the holy grail after one session (in wedging messed up dumping surf) it really turns incredible and is sensitive. its a unique board. Sportscar (holy grail) vs SUV (Hypto). But to compare properly I believe the volume and fin setup should be the same. By the way the Holy Grail paddles really well. Holy grail is more of a pocket surfing board meant for turns and precision surfing. I am not really a fan of the hypto but maybe its that I got too big of one. It is hard to turn. PS - I am no pro - I am an intermediate older dude who can surf reasonably well but is looking to turn more in the critical part of the wave to get better speed. I having surfed solid for over 15 years maybe once or twice a week.

[@sergiovalentinh]

Best reviews ever! Big fan bro! Keep it up!

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

Cheers!!!

[@andrecaetano1696]

Surf n Show Reviews hi again mate :) so with so many good models with get crazy and confused :/ wich one you like the best, the Holy Grail or Psycho KIller? Im 6.0 and wich size you think woukd suit better 4 me?!

[@davidp3208]

Great review, I love how you include a ton of details on fin selection

[@simo7270]

Noel ...your reviews are the best mate , thanks for all your work you put into these vids. Its good watching your style adapt to different boards and give honest reviews . Its great when choosing a new board , im sold on the holy grail , you are frikin ripping on that board. Cheers mate ! Simo

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

simo from green So stoked you like our show!!! Thanks for kind words too... and yes the HG goes absolutely mental for me. Such a sick board. You should get one and let me know how it goes for you. Cheers

[@anthonyali2860]

Love this Board!! Thanks Noel !!

[@soulsurfer3102]

This is one of the best reviews.maby i will buy this board..or the p2 or the happy every day.cant decide?

[@macrovigilance]

I always appreciate watching Noel Surf love his style (+ learning about boards)

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

Cheers and thank you for the kind words and supporting Surf n' Show.

[@toddfrazier1991]

On the Holy Grail and Dark Side reviews you talked about the higher durability of PE construction but didn’t talk about durability and resistance to foot dents in the Future Flex construction . Durability and longevity are important characteristics to me. One of the things that’s great about your show is the non biased and intelligent information that is hard to come by in the industry. With so many functional options available these days it’s nice to get some quality input. Thanks, Todd

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

Todd Frazier Thanks for the kind words. Sorry I missed talking about the durability on the FF. I would say that this FF Construction is roughly 30% stronger compared to PU or PE and the flex in the life of the board is going to last longer too. EPS foam pressure dents much less compared to PU and PE. Cheers

[@rickrunner2219]

great to see you ripping on a 25.7 liters baord, it's really a nice review. the board looks great. your surfing, Noel, is awesome too. Great job Man. It's always a pleasure to see your reviews.

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

So sick... thanks for the props and I am stoked you like the review. This Holy Grail is EPIC for sure and it suits my surfing. Cheers!!!

[@theseafoodandvapesource944]

love your explanation of the carbon "stringer" and rail line. I think what you are trying to describe is torque.

[@ncncam23]

I've found this board to be magical off the backhand but maybe I just don't care for these non-PU boards but I feel like I'm just not getting down the line as fast off my forehand. I really need to be getting a lot of speed otherwise turns just feel off. I do agree esp off the backhand very confident in bigger surf. Guess I need to try this out with quads.

[@dkilla01]

Didn’t see you at Trestles this morning, brought out the Holy Grail with me this morning and the surf was fun, caught a bunch of waves over at the creek and the board did well, I just got back from Jacks in Dana Point to pick up the tri quad set in the medium air core Al Merrick set. Just arrived in Huntington to surf with a buddy in the morning. Just put in the quad set up for the morning session. Let you know how it goes. Cheers 🥂

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

Miguel Marquina Yewww! I surf Lowers. Pretty rare to see me at Uppers

[@dkilla01]

ya I know but I usually catch up with you on El Camino Real parking early, I usually park around that corner light. Anyways, I surfed the Holy Grail this morning with the Merrick quad set up in size medium in the new air core construction. The waves were a lot bigger than I had anticipated ( well overhead) on the bigger sets on that back row. The fins held good even in the bigger throaty sections. The quad set up gave it a flair right from the start and it did stiffen up the board a bit but the hold was there and it was loose enough to maneuver.

[@dkilla01]

So let me get this off my mind before I forget, This board has a controversial design for me. The board has secondary small wave design features with primary good wave performance features which translates being able to grovel but only for experienced surfers who are at that advanced intermediate level and up. I say this because this board comes alive in bigger waves and has the ability to grovel but whoever decides to grovel in it has to be a good paddler because most boards that are made for small waves have a flatter entry rocker for that get up and go right out the gate. The HG has a medium entry rocker which creates a bit of drag on take offs but once it's up and running that inverted rail line really zings down the line creating that flow that Noel talks about in his review. The HG is also not very forgiving due to it's high performance features such as the inverted rail, and pulled in nose. Even though the rails are full, the apex is low and there is a subtle tapering design that progresses as you move to the back of the board. The wide point, rolled V and the construction (future flex) gives it small wave attributes, making the board feel buoyant and responsive, however the pulled in nose requires that you lay stream line on your board so that your chest lays right over that wide point which in my opinion doesn't leave much wiggle room for those novice riders that may not have all sweet spots on the board dialed in yet.

[@dkilla01]

I would order this board in more literage then you might think you need so if you're in between dims I would order up until I had this board dialed in for the novice to beginners and even to better surfers that are transitioning to this board because it flexes different than most boards out there due to it's carbon frame

[@chrisathan4293]

wow, this looks like a really good breakdown, I surf with 30 liters on PU boards, and I'm a intermediate surfer, usually surf at beack breaks. So my question is, should I get this board at 29,5 lt or go lower on volume,? so I won't get sling shotted on bigger waves . Do you have a HG ?

[@3rdtonefromthesun]

Excellent advice on this - I found as well due to the construction it made quick takeoffs tricky as the resistance from the EPS could make the board shuffle on the pop-up. I rode mine in my regular shortboard volume, tested it in waves waist to head high and it was fun but I don't get good enough conditions to surf it regularly enough. It needs a clean and punchy groundswell to get going IMO.

[@ncncam23]

Your assessment is dead on

[@lohena1]

Just got one and love it. Totally still relevant so don't overlook it although it's an older model. Noel's review is spot on. Wide full volume in the front makes it glide and generate speed on its own. But the tail features make it super loose, almost squirrelly. I was really surprised by that as I was expecting it to be on the stiff side with the fuller outline and dims. Very impressive design for everyday surfers.

[@HoStevie]

*Looks fun!* 🙌

[@ryantolentino5491]

Another killer review Noel. Keep it up...Looks like you really killed it with that last swell.

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

Cheers glad you liked it. Yes that swell was some of the best surf I have ever had for a whole week with perfect weather and tides. We split the good surf up between 4 different board models so the other reviews coming up have sick waves too!!

[@dkilla01]

I would have liked to see you surf this board in the lower wave spectrum

[@MjMayna]

Killin it on that board Brahda !! $$$$$

[@alejandrochalcoff2199]

Hi Noel, Firstly, thanks for putting these reviews up, they are hands down the best ones out there, and I’m clearly not the only one who appreciates them. A quick question here if you happen to have the time: How do you think this board would work on slightly more hollow barreling waves? The rocker seems pretty tame... I’m almost certainly going to get one but wondering if I should also start looking for something with a little more rocker for a trip I’m planning out. Many thanks mate! a.

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

Alejandro Chalcoff Where are you going and big is the hollow surf? This HG will go mental in 2-6’ hollow surf... any bigger I would jump into a Pyzel Ghost.

[@alejandrochalcoff2199]

​@@surfnshowreviews7777Thanks heaps for your reply Noel. The Ghost is exactly what I had in mind for a stepup. We’re probably going to the Mentawais in the low season with an intermediate group so I wouldn’t think they’ll be throwing us at shallow 8 foot barrels… but, you never know haha. I think the HG would work wonders for me at home (New Zealand) as I’m mostly surfing a Rusty Smoothie (very close to a Hypto). I’m also considering the Phantom which would translate well into a Ghost. I really appreciate your insight, Cheers!

[@ronnyrosephoto]

Hey Noel! I just bought this board after watching your reviews, and I absolutely love it!Thanks for all the detailed information! Seriously man, best reviews out there, and I’m loving the trick tutorials on the patreon! Quick question though…. If I wanted a fin upgrade (I have a neutral template in now). What do you think the Ando fin or blackstix am1. I’m 165 and 6’ tall. I’ll probably be surfing this on 2-5 ft days. Thanks!

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

The Ando’s flex to much for me…

[@ronnyrosephoto]

@@surfnshowreviews7777 awesome! Thanks man:)

[@Akhilesh.masala420]

Have u ever considered doing to tutorials on particular manoeuvres I think they would be really interesting and helpful as there isn’t that many good tutorials on more advanced things like airs and carves and getting vertical cheers harry

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

Yea Harry thanks for the comment.... I have considered this and I have also had others asking for this too. One great tutorial channel that is doing it really well is the Hurley Surf Club. Check it out and let me know what you think. You can also send in your own video clips to Hurley Surf Club and they will give you professional coaching tips with a world class coach for FREE.

[@keithhindle770]

Check out Martin Dunn youtube page kzbin.info/door/zRWiVhFu5sUC7IuOMe6dVAfeed he's coached Mick Fanning Connor O'leary and many more. Video quality isn't great but technique is spot on and goes over all maneuvers pretty much.

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

Thanks for posting this.... cheers.

[@kors3y]

Love your reviews Noel. Thanks. These guys have great tutorials as well - surftechniques.com/

[@boltup5566]

@@kors3y i could give you his tutorial. Its called grow up and become a local at lowers.

[@gulfsurfco]

Another top notch review! Serious ripping too! Wassup Aarron, nice shooting.

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

So sick thanks for the props on the review. Aarron will be stoked!!! Cheers....

[@brynnjones8799]

Killing it on this board Noel

[@monkeypawism]

Great review! It's on the radar, if not on the order list soon.

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

Sick... let me know how it goes after you shred it a few times. Cheers!!!

[@monkeypawism]

Noel, how tall are you? I just ordered a HG I'm 5'6" I ordered a 5'4" but I keep reading get one 1" sorter than a Hypto which means I may have ordered an inch too long.

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

monkeypawism I am 5’9”

[@dkilla01]

It’s on my radar for sure!

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

Miguel Marquina Yewwww! Sick board

[@rafamellinsosurfe402]

hi there, Noel! a quick help, please: how'd you compare the HG and Pyzalien 2? (differences x similarities) in what situations would you pick each? . and which would you chose as an overall better daily driver? once again, thanks for sharing your knowledge with us!

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

Rafael Mellin P2 has a better wave range 3-8’+. Its more user friendly too. The HG is fast and loose and it needs a raked fin to go good in 3-6’ plus.

[@rafamellinsosurfe402]

@@surfnshowreviews7777 thanks! keep up the great work. best show in business!

[@SlickWillie]

hey noel - i know you reviewed this board a while back and it was a favorite of yours. would you still put this in your favorites with all of the new boards and tech today? thinking about picking up a new daily driver for the winter and this board caught my eye, along with the pyzel phantom, swordfish and the el tomo. my quiver has thinned down to a glazer and a seaside both at 5'8'' @ 35 liters.....i am a bigger guy at 5'11'' @ 205ish lbs. need something with more rail line for when the waves get a little bigger here in the winter (HB)

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

Will Davis The HG is good but I like the Phantom better in 3-7’ surf

[@chrisathan4293]

I hear ya, this board caught my eye too, swordfish a bit too don't know where to go with the volume, since it's a epoxy and and has this radical shape

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

@@chrisathan4293 Same volume as your Daily Driver or HPSB

[@chrisathan4293]

@@surfnshowreviews7777 thanks for the reply Noel ! Is the HG better for vertical surfing compared to the rocket 9 ?

[@surfdocsteve]

Awesome review of the board and it's great you could discuss the difference in fins. It's always tough to decide which system to go with.

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

Epic... glad you like the review and the fin break down. I will be doing more of this. Two boards with both systems to help us all. Cheers!!!

[@Felix-mr1vs]

Nice review and the board really looked good under your feet!

[@dkilla01]

Oh yeah for sure, ya man your favorites are stacking up. At this pace you're going to have to do a showdown of you're favorites! So I've really come to appreciate a single concave and a flat deck cause it flies! Is this board comparable to that feel? You looked loose and like you were hitting your turns the way you wanted to. So if this was considered a daily driver, what would it be comparable to in CI board quiver? The boards you've been reviewing look really fun and how you got lowers to what looks like to yourself is unbelievable. I know you're stoked! Great review like always, keep posting them and I'll keep liking them. Have fun, CHEERS!!!!!

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

Cheers and I am glad you liked the review. I like boards that have a single concave too... they are really fast. This board kind of stands alone for me and I have not ridden something that feels like it either. The tail and overall design is very unique and silky smooth. Sorry i don't have a board at the moment to compare it too in the CI line up. A great daily driver for me in the CI quiver is the Fever at 5'8 x 19 x 2 5/16 or the stock 5'8" OG Flyer. Those two boards go good for me in waves 2-6'. Small waves 1-3' still the Sampler and Pod Mod.

[@declanrienecker8369]

Best surfing I’ve seen you do! Just trying to decide between the Holy Grail & Monsta Box... I’m 5’9 and 68kg, intermediate surfer looking for a board to get me to that next level! My local usually delivers 2-4ft. :)

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

declan rienecker Both boards are epic.... I would go HG in in 3-5’ surf and MB is better in 2-3’.

[@declanrienecker8369]

Surf n Show Reviews sweet! Just saw your review for the Pyzel Phantom... how would that fit into the equation?

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

declan rienecker Phantom is more 3-7’ surf.

[@declanrienecker8369]

Surf n Show Reviews awesome! Really appreciate the feedback, I’m going with the MB! If you had one last suggestion as too sizing (I’m thinking 5’9 26.5L??) that would be amazing! Cheers for keeping me frothing :)

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

declan rienecker Take your weight in pounds and divide it by 6 and you will get a good idea on good liters. My weight is 160 divided by 6 = 26.66 liters. That’s at the top of liter range but you get the picture. My liter range is 25.5- 26.5 in PU and EPS varies on board design and width...., 24.5-26.5

[@imranesack1560]

Hi Noel. If you had a choice between the sampler, sci-fi or the holy grail, which one would you choose?

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

Imran Esack Sampler is best in 1-4’ surf and the HG is best in 3-6’ surf. Not a good comparison as the Sampler is a small wave groveler and the HG is a daily driver.

[@carloslukather6658]

looks so pretty this board

[@andrewvo1896]

Hey Noel. What are the differences between the Holy Grail vs. Monsta Box? Having a hard time deciding which is better for a daily driver 2-6 ft range

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

I would go HG without a doubt. The HG paddles better, it’s way faster, and more radical in the pocket. If you get the HG I recommend a good Raked set of fins....

[@mattclem382]

I've got a 5'6 holy grail on the way... In light of all the twin fin talk, Noel do you think the holy grail would work as a performance twin? Something about the outline looks like it could work as a twin. If not, what's difference in design with the performance twin boards? What makes them work as twins? If any one has tried the holy grail as a twin I'd be curious to hear your experience.

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

Try it with a Twin + Trailer in shoulder waves and under. It could go pretty good. As a pure twin it will be way to loose and slide out easily. One main reason is the side fin boxes are set for Thruster…. And that is way to far forward compared to twin fin box placement.

[@dkilla01]

It’s on my radar for sure!

[@mkoshful]

Firstly thanks for these reviews mate. Hows the compare between monsta box and grail?

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

michael koch The MB is sick in 2-5’ surf and is very easy to surf... the HG goes best in 3-6’ surf and has a very loose feeling under foot. The side cut tail offers quick rail to rail turns and it’s wider tail block offers great down the line speed. The HG needs a fin with a lot of rake to maximize performance. I would say the main difference is the MB is a small performance board and the HG is a Daily Driver with a HPSB feel.

[@busplay]

Great review as always Noel

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

Cheers!

[@JustSwell]

Nice review and nice board. Looks like something that would be suited for me, especially with the wide point and foam under the chest.

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

I think most surfers would love this board as a daily driver. User friendly and very forgiving.

[@brendangannon9286]

Were these 2 boards that you tried made in Thailand or Australia? I see that they’re made in both locations. Thanks

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

Brendan Gannon I don’t recall... sorry.

[@HURFHURFH]

Hi Noel, perhaps I’m late to the party but I’m Interested in the holy grail. I’m 6’5 myself and way around 187 pounds (I’m quite lanky) would you recommend the 6’0 (33.6 L) or the 6’1 (35.52L) thanks for the good work and I’ll keep watching your stuff!

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

Get the 6’1

[@HURFHURFH]

@@surfnshowreviews7777 🚀🚀 thanks!

[@timhall6380]

Hi Noel, do you think the Dane black panther fins Large size would work in this board, or is an F8 honey comb a better fit? cheers Tim.

[@frankiegilday5748]

Curious: anyone ride this as a 2+1? (I’ve got the MRs) Usually they liven up a board for me but wasn’t sure if the shape was too performance oriented for them but if anyone has experience let me know

[@srfiend11]

Hey Noel, Nuther excellent review!! Just a thought....It'd be interesting to hear reviews of the different surfboard constructions out there and how they compare. IE: weight, durability, flex, etc. Now that I am in the market for a board purchase, I am now more torn after watching this review between this board, the Untitled, and maybe the Heckler in Torsion Spring....and thanks for that, ha! Anyways, the excellent surfing footage really helps show how the boards work and thanks for having the best reviews out there !

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

Stoked you like the show. The Holy Grail and Untitled are both sick and I recommend the FF Construction for sure. The Torsion Spring construction looks good from Rusty too. I know the Torsion Spring Technology uses an Extruded Foam which is a closed cell foam meaning it will not pull in water if it gets a ding. The flex characteristics are good on the Extruded EPS foam too. I have not tried the Torsion Spring yet but XTR uses the Extruded EPS Foam core and I love it. If you choose to go with a Rusty I would suggest talking to them over the phone to make sure the Heckler is the right board for the Torsion Spring Technology. Cheers

[@srfiend11]

Good advice Noel! My local surf shop up here in Northern Orange County has a Heckler in Torsion Spring that I've felt up and interestingly it does not appear to be much lighter than standard PU, probably due to the carbon/kevlar fiber. I figure that may be a plus during moderate off shore and/or bumpy conditions as compared to an ultra light board such as a carbon wrap. Regardless, thanks again for the excellent content and I hope you are scoring waves!

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

My pleasure... I agree the added weight to the EPS will help in the wind and reduce chatter that EPS boards have. The weight would be caused from a heavier glass job which makes the board a bit more durable too. The Carbon is a bit lighter so I don't think to much added weight is coming from that. If you get one please make sure to hit me up and let us all know how it the Rusty Torsion Spring Technology feels under your feet.

[@dannya.4325]

Hey Noel, I know it’s a little late but I am now looking at getting a Holy Grail. Does the future flex construction react the same way like any other epoxy board, drifty and lack of control? When the waves have some surface texture and there’s some wind on it. Would you more go for a poly instead?

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

danny alamina I am used to EPS and I love it but not every surfer does. If you surf a lot of chop then go PE. The FF has a rapid rebound out on the rail and has its own feel. However The PE will sit down a little better in textured surf... unless your used to it.

[@chrisathan4293]

I am thinking about getting a poly instead of a eps too, I'm a bit stuck

[@papyslater9682]

Great review !!! Which HS holy grail for my 80 kgs please ? Intermediate surfer... Continue your review !!! It s helpfull !!

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

Papy Slater I would choose the size that is roughly the same as your small performance board.

[@joshmason6169]

Noel!!! Your surfing on this board was sooo dandy (Slater doppelganger)! I'm torn between the Happy in the EPS/Spine-Tek and the HG FF. Your surfing on this board in waves shoulder+ looked so much smoother and connected in comparison to the Happy review. I'm an intermediate surfer and looking for a good all-around "performance" (for my skill level) board in shoulder to a couple feet OH, beachbreak/point break (in EPS, for durability). Any thoughts on whether the Happy or HG would be a better fit?

[@marcuscarossa1085]

Hi Noel, i've been watching a bunch of your reviews to buy my new sled, its helping me a lot, great work man, thanks. I have a doubt about the model and materials i should go to, would be good if you could help me with your insight. I'm from brazil, and we get a lot of mushy 2-4ft beach break situations. Im riding a PU DHD monster model, a kid f a daily driver, that isnt working on smaller days and flatter waves. I was thinking about a groveler to daily driver, and wanted to try the flex and fell of the new stringerless EPS boards. My first two choices are the FF HG or rocket wide spine tek. Any thoughts on wich one should work better for mushy and texture on mid sized days situations ? Cheers

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

Marcus Carossa I would go CI Spinetek NB2 or Rocket Wide for small Mushy waves. The HG is epic but it’s more of a daily Driver in better waves.

[@tobygibbons736]

Hey man, loving the reviews. How would you compare the holy grail to the og flyer in terms of wage range, paddle power, down the line speed, turning etc? I’m torn between the two boards. Your feedback would be much appreciated 🤙

[@tobygibbons736]

Wave***

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

Toby Gibbons HG is insane!!! Nothing rides like it that I have ever surfed. Fast, loose and the FF tech is second to nothing. I would say the range is better on the HG in waves 1-6’.

[@tobygibbons736]

Surf n Show Reviews decision made! Thanks for the fast response man

[@AFW76]

Hey Noal, what size were the fcs 2 kolohe andino fins you tried? and would you choose them over fcs2 large Carver tri set?. Cheers and thanks for all the hard work you do on these reviews:)

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

A Ward Large KA fins are sick... not enough rake for the HG though. I say AM or Carvers

[@shawnweston4741]

Noel you mentioned wider tail boards have more drive.i noticed this when I rode one of these recently.and I remember years ago borrowing a channel islands #4 groveller (Dane Reynolds model)think 2015 was release date.anyway both same litres and this one had a drivey feeling too it also.did u ever try out this board.

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

Shawn Weston Yes the CI #4 in Groveler dims is excellent!!! I did not like the #4 in the Utility Dims though... only in the Groveler dims. The Holy Grail, NB2, #4 Groveler Dims have incredible down the line speed and with the right fin set up they have good drive through turns for boards with such wide tails.

[@michaelgiuffre5354]

Hey noel how do you think a set of raked blackstix like the AM1 Blackstix would go in this board? Or would you suggest sticking with honeycomb am1. Or John John alphas?

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

Michael Giuffre They will go good if the waves aren’t to powerful. The AM template is epic for this model

[@michaelgiuffre5354]

@@surfnshowreviews7777 thanks man. For a 145lb surfer on a 5'6 holy grail would you recommend medium or small fins?

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

Michael Giuffre Medium

[@dkilla01]

Noel, I want to try the Cymatic by FireWire Surfboards but I’m having such a hard time coming off the Holy Grail, especially when the waves are pumping

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

Miguel Marquina The HG is insane!!! Hey if it ain’t broke then don’t fix it... right?

[@dkilla01]

yep!!!!!

[@sevenerson]

Hi Noel thx for suggesting the phantom over the gamma but now after watching this video I gotta ask you , what your thoughts are on the phantom vs holy grail? I live on oahu Thx again.

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

TdTbMp The Phantom and HG are my two favorite Daily Drivers right now. The Phantom is very easy to surf and high performance surfing at will. The HG is very loose and fast. Both boards offer HPSB surfing in the pocket but the Phantom is a better paddler. I recommend both boards in 2-7’ surf. I like the HG in FF technology too. I would go PU on the Phantom if I lived in HI.

[@rikkizip]

Great channel and reviews Noel! How does the CI Fever Spine Tech surf vs the HG? I can't decide between these two. I'm living in Indo and looking for a new daily driver. Keep up the good work :)

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

Rikard Ängermark That’s a tough... Both boards are epic. I like the Fever as a HPSB and I also like it as a daily driver in my Groveler dims. 5’7” x 19 x 2 3/8. The HG is a legit Daily Driver and it will do HPSB turns too. I think if your surfing hollow punchy surf then go Fever... if your surfing a bit slower waves and punchy or hollow sometimes then go HG.

[@rikkizip]

@@surfnshowreviews7777 Thanks for the answer Noel! I will go for the HG :) Cheers 🤙

[@df238]

Awesome review as always and thank you. Also, not sure if its the actual carbon on the rails that makes it look like it has a shitload of rocker in it or maybe just me.

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

D F must be the Carbon.., rocker is low to medium

[@df238]

@@surfnshowreviews7777 thank you

[@socalboys794]

Great vid as always Noel! You look great on this board, and you still look amazing on the Fever too. I think having this tech and progressive design would be a cool combo to have with a PU Fever. Keep ripping brother!

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

Cheers glad you like the review. The Fever is a sick board too.

[@socalboys794]

For sure. What's your favorite board of all the HS. That future flex tech looks pretty amazing. Interesting concept of taking it out to the rails. Makes a lot of sense though. Keep on shredding.

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

The Holy Grail is my favorite so far.... silky smooth and very versatile with speed.

[@socalboys794]

Wow, gotta get one under my feet then. It looks pretty amazing! I'm in love with the Fever for sure though. Surfed it at D Street and Cardiff Reef on a few good days. Works amazing in both beach breaks and the slow moving Cardiff Reefs. I'm really blown away at how fast and snappy the board is in a variety of waves. Would love to get my hands back on a epoxy tech. Love the way both a poly and newer tech feels. I think the HG would be a great tech to have in contrast to the Fever PU. Either way, we live in epic times with lots of sick choices. Talk to you soon my brother! I'll put up a nice review on the Fever page soon.

[@sdsurfs]

Hey Noel so does the Future flex feel like more volume than compared to PU. Would you say .5L-1L?

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

Chris Fan Yes it floats better compared to PU. I would say it’s close to 0.5 liters more buoyant. Some would say 1 liter but I think more like 1/2 liter.

[@alzoid69]

Noel, What FCS Tri set up would you use for larger surf on this board? I was looking at the Julian Wilson but noticed you used the Mick's fronts in the quad set up.

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

Allan The Julian’s will go good too. Basically fins with a lot of Rake... this HG is loose

[@alzoid69]

@@surfnshowreviews7777 thanks Noel! Your review convinced me to get this board. ✌️

[@matrevel9938]

hey, how did this one feels versus untitles. What board would you pick over the other and for what reason ? thanks !!

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

The Untitled is more versatile… you can shred it in smaller waves with a Twin + Trailer set up. They both fit the daily driver board category but the HG needs a bit more wave to go good. I also the Untitled suits more surfers… it’s easy to shred off the tail and for heavily front footed surfers. I say get the Untitled

[@matrevel9938]

@@surfnshowreviews7777 thanks Man ! i m gonna get the V2 cause i don t think i ll find the Untitled original. Hope they havent made so many changes

[@farcinue]

Great surfing as always! How does the Holy Grail compare to the V3 Stealth?

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

I really like them both but the Holy Grail is silky smooth rail to rail under my feet. I think the V3 Stealth is a bit snappier but all in all the Holy Grail suits my surfing better. Cheers

[@KarlCetti]

Nice review ! Did you ride this board with less volume you usually ride ? Is it because of epoxy or shape ? Thanks

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

FB It does have less volume but this is what they sent me to review. It paddled and floated me great. I usually ride roughly 26-27 liters and this board felt like 26 liters. Cheers

[@bluesnparadise]

Solid review, hey noel when you say 6 ft, how big of a wave face are you talking?

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

Stoked you like the review!! For me 6' its roughly 1 1/2' over head too me.

[@walter992]

I know these are really two different boards but for a daily driver how would you compare it to the Hypto Krypto? Did you ride this near your normal volume? I am 5'7 " and 180 so I take a bit more volume.

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

Walter Schubert That’s a tough comparison... the Hypto has that wide hybrid nose so you can ride that a few inches shorter compared to the HG. The HG is quick and responsive like a normal performance board but still grovels. I think the HG surfs like a HP board and the Hypto is more of a hybrid.

[@thebensman9786]

That thing looks responsive under your feet 🦶 Noel! Ripping brah

[@Guapelito]

Where does this guy surf?? Those waves look unreal.

[@raquiti]

Hey Noel! Thanks for the awesome review!! I’m David from Costa Rica. I’m about to buy a holy grail in a month and they only have it in 5’7” (26.9L) and 5’9” (29.5L) stock here. I’m 5’8” and weigh 172lbs - so kind of like you. How did that 5’6” feel and would you pick that size for your regular short board? On the HS webpage I get a suggested volume range for this board from 29.64L to 27.69L. So it would seem the 5’7” would be a little short considering it’s 26.9L. Any suggestions on if I should get the 5’7” or 5’9” stock considering I usually surf at punchy beach breaks here in CR? I feel inclined towards the 5’9” to be conservative in a volume-wise way but am afraid it will feel too bulky. Thanks!!

[@xlwmoxwtiko]

Hey Noel ! great review ! How would you compare the HG to the ci Rocket 9 ?

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

HG is way faster and better in 3-6’ surf. The R9 is a bit on the slow side...

[@xlwmoxwtiko]

@@surfnshowreviews7777 thank you so much Noel ! Keep up the great work ! Sending positive vibes all the way from Greece ! :)

[@pedrowilit]

Hey @Noel great video! Keep it UP! I was wondering what would you recomend is more fun for 2-6ft surf, Tomo Cymatic or the Holy Grail? I am an intermediate+ surfer looking for something that gives performance with easy padling. Judging from your videos both are great but you just look a bit less loose/quick in the cymatic, i know it was a great deal of rocker but somehow you look like you're having more freedom/fluidity in the Holy Grail and less in the Cymatic. Do you agree? both options seem great tho Thanks a lot

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

The HG is loose and fast with a bit more release and the Cymatic is better in the pocket.

[@pedrowilit]

@@surfnshowreviews7777 thanks for the reply! so you're saying the cymatic is better at performing critical maneuvers and performance surfing?

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

@@pedrowilit Yes...it’s quicker top to bottom due to it being shorter in length and a bit more rocker.

[@pedrowilit]

@@surfnshowreviews7777 Cheers Noel, keep rippin!

[@Diogloy]

Hello! I would like a board for average and perfect waves till 2m, but I want a performance board! I would like to know what you think of Holy Grail compared to the Fever PU and what is the best choice between both for a intermadiate surfer who want to perform in nice waves. Cheers, and congratulation for the grate show!

[@nato02_]

Noel, I just found your channel and man, thanks so much for putting the time to make these great informative videos. You rip .... yewwww Would you say that the HG (for 1-5ft) as daily driver is a great combo with the SD Gama (for 5ft+) as step up? Or should a get a proper groveler like the Lost Psycho Killer and the Gama? I also really like the JS Hyfi Monstabox but I heard that is very fragile and people are breaking it very easily, is that correct?

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

Renato Braga My Monsta Box was fine... the HG will grovel but it’s not ideal compared to the Rocket Wide, Gremlin, or PJHP. I like the HG more as a Daily Driver 2-6’ surf. The Phantom is unreal too....so the HG and Phantom are my 2 favorite Daily Drivers right now. For a mini step up I like the Ghost.

[@nato02_]

Noel, thanks so much for the quick and detailed reply. Keep it up man, this channel will quickly be a reference for the surf industry.

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

Renato Braga Cheers!

[@timhall6380]

Nice one Noel, looks great under foot!

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

Ewwww!!!

[@reefslug]

V3 Stealth carbon wrap or Holy Grail? Which do you like better? I'm torn between these two boards and could use some help. For reference I live on Maui. Thank you for another amazing review my brother

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

Both boards are sick and that is a tough one. The Holy Grail paddles better and I think it's more versatile too. I would go Holy Grail in Future Flex. Cheers

[@carlosfonseca697]

How does this board compare to a fire wire sci fi? I live in florida and ride a 5'11'' sci fi and love it. Want something that i can ride in similar conditions (2-7 ft). Please help!

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

Bernard Fonseca The HG is a great board for 3-6’ surf. I think the Sci-Fi is more of a Daily Driver and less of a Groveler. I guess the Sci-Fi could be considered a Small Wave performance board. The HG is fast, paddles pretty good, and turns on a dime. Very responsive board and has a HPSB feel to it for sure.

[@carlosfonseca697]

@@surfnshowreviews7777 Thanks for the feedback. I think I may go in another direction then. My other 2 options were the CI NB2 or the JS blak box 2 hyfi. I really need something that will work in a wider range from small 2ft up to at least 5ft. What do you think between those other options?

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

Bernard Fonseca NB2 in Spinetek

[@ikemayasari8603]

Hi mate im a bit confused about size im 55 kg 5.6 Lever surf advance live in bali whats your recomandation dimension for this board?

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

If you 56kg that’s 124 lb. Volume wise for your weight at different skill levels. Pro/Expert 19-21L Advanced 21-23L Intermediate 24-26L

[@ikemayasari8603]

What's the full dimention for a 5.6 23L volume? Appreciate your reply

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

@@ikemayasari8603 Get on a email with the folks at HS to dial in a custom for you

[@chrisathan4293]

Hey Noel, I surf a PU rocket 9 at 30 lts. If I go to a HG eps, should I go lower in volume ? and Which board is more for vertical surfing ? rocket 9 or HG ?

[@roderickcabahug614]

Noel, that board looks great under your feet! I have been riding the Psych Germ for a while, ridden HKs and Love Buzz as well. The HG looks like my next one. Thanks for the great review and your ripping as always!

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

Yew!!! Cheers Rod so stoked for you... you are going to love this Holy Grail. Get it on the Christmas list ASAP.

[@juancarlossalazar6254]

Noel, great review and performance. Have you ever tried the machado's midas? If I ride an Hypto in 5'8 and feel comfortable do you think that I should ride the HG in 5'8 or 5'9? I'm 5'10 and 160 and intermediate level

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

juan carlos salazar I think the Hypto paddles better than the HG. I would get the board as close to the same liters as your Hypto if it paddles you well.

[@soar2779]

You always good but you seemed to really be connected with this board more than any other I have seen you ride. Why wouldn't a CT guy ride one of these? Kelly seems to be the only one trying different ideas.

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

Jack Straw I did connect with this Holy Grail. The CT guys are the best and some of them ride boards in different constructions like Kelly. I think Ace rode a Monsta 6 by JS in the HYFI construction in one event in 2017. The Pros like a PU because they are consistent and predictable but some of them will ride EPS when the waves get smaller. I think some new constructions coming out will inspire some of the tour guys to ride them in contest in the next couple years.

[@angelomonopoliroca523]

Dear Noel, I got the HG as a present so the liters were 2 liters over what I am supposed to ride (31 l instead of 28/29 my weight is 73kg (surf level medium) What shall I do? I need to decide if changing the board or keep it (the shop doesn't have smaller HG) @Surf n Show Reviews

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

Angelo Monopoli Roca Change it... you wont appreciate that model with that much foam.

[@angelomonopoliroca523]

@@surfnshowreviews7777 Thank you very much! is painful saying goodbye to such a sexy board but I guess is worth it

[@alzoid69]

@@angelomonopoliroca523 When I contacted Hayden customer support when sizing this board they had me go lower rather than go over my 'preferred' volume. So as Noel said you should change it.

[@angelomonopoliroca523]

@@alzoid69 Thank you! i swapped for a DHd minitwin instead as my local shop didnt have smaller ones. i will need to wait till it snap to get again the sexy HG with the right measurements

[@bendikborgen8512]

Would you choose a "Holy Grail" over a CI "Rocket 9"?

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

BENDIK BORGEN Yes.... the Holy Grail goes mental.

[@chrisathan4293]

I have the same question Bendik !

[@jesseurane5620]

Ripping Noel, I wanna see you ride a ci neckbeard, one of my favorites of all time.

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

I had a Neckbeard and it was really fun in small mushy waves... super fast down the line.

[@noahstone1558]

Right now I ride a CI rocket nine I love it but wanna try something new I live in San Diego and the waves are pretty weak I usually surf seaside reef I was thinking Tomo EVO, Go Fish, Hypto krypto, or holy grail. I can surf backside pretty aggressively now when the wave allows me so I’d say I’m low intermediate any suggestions.

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

Noah Stone Holy Grail!!! Goes mental. The other boards you mention sound fun too but I think you will like how versatile the HG is.

[@noahstone1558]

Surf n Show Reviews thank you for letting me know this definitely swayed my opinion I’ll probably get this is a 5’6 or 5’8 depending on how well it grovels I’m 5’10 140 but don’t have a lot of money to buy different kinds of boards

[@chrisathan4293]

Did you get the holy grail ? Can you compare it to the rocket 9 ? I own a rocket 9 too, and I’m seeking for the comparison.

[@malinnyberg8565]

Hi great review, thanks! Holy Grail vs CI Sampler that (I got after your review) what is the difference? Thanks and keep up the great work :)

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

The Sampler is sick in 1-3+ plus but not enough tail rocker to be a daily driver in 4-6' surf. The Holy Grail goes mental in 1-6' surf. Because of the tail rocker the Holy Grail can handle a little bigger surf.

[@dkilla01]

Holy Grail vs the Cymatic

[@ard1778]

Hi! I just got a 5´10" HL at 30.87L. I'm 5´9" and 170lb intermediate mostly riding steep reef breaks where even on small days the take off is fairly hollow. I was thinking of pairing it up with FCS II PCC HS fins sized large to help with speed generating and pivoting on smaller days and some performers medium for medium/bigger days. Do you think it will be too much fin and too stiff for smaller speed generating, meaning I should stick to the mediums? Or would you recommend a different fin altogether? Thanks in advance for your input.

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

I say Large HS fins and Medium Raked fins for bigger days. I like the Mick Fanning fins in bigger waves size M

[@ard1778]

@@surfnshowreviews7777 and for smaller days?

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

@@ard1778 Quick pivot in Beachies small waves the HS go good. Actually my signature fins will give the best of both Large and Medium fins. You can get them in Twin Tab to shred in your FCSII boxes. Check them out here…. we make them in Raked, Neutral, and Pivot. www.shopsurfnshow.com/collections/all.

[@raquiti]

Hi Noel, hope all is good! I am trying to look for reviews on the hypto krypto board by HS. Do you have one? And by any chance compare the quad set up vrs the thruster set up on that board? Thanks! David

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

David Ramirez Sorry I have done a review on the Hypto. I have not ridden one yet either..... sorry.

[@raquiti]

No worries Noel!! Many thanks for the response!

[@tannerivey4528]

Great review! What size board would you recommend for me I’m 6,2 160lbs and currently riding a 5,9 Rocket nine?

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

Tanner Ivey I would go with liters close to your Rocket 9 board.

[@dkilla01]

Hey Noel the guys at Hayden shapes said it could go up to 8’ before it starts getting skatey?

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

Miguel Marquina Sounds about right.... mine has no problems on the waves I tested it in. Solid off the bottom and in the pocket. The HG is epic.

[@dkilla01]

Surf n Show Reviews I just ordered one, can’t wait till I get it in the 💦

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

Miguel Marquina Yewwww!!! Let me know how it goes.

[@joaoberberan8221]

Hey Noel! Which one would you choose between a CI Fever and a HS Holy Grail as an all around surfboard? BTW do you sell the boards you try? Thanks

[@surfnshowreviews7777]

Thats a tough one.... both of these two boards are in my favorites right now. I would say the Holy Grail if your looking for a board that goes sick in the 1-3 surf too. I do sell some of the boards and I keep some too.