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@kevinAuman1 Жыл бұрын
Two things brother, first a question would you take this 4k over the Orion HCCA SPLX3000.1D and 2nd those Kicker quad boxes used their lower end L7's I wonder if the box itself could hold up to 4 of their Q class L7's and would love to see how that performs both in just demoing and on a meter in comparison to the lower classed woofers the box came with! 🤔🤷♂️💪🔊🔊🔊
@CL-yp1bs Жыл бұрын
Happy to see you are doing sponsorships, you deserve it with all your hard work you have put into this channel. I am glad to see you are still putting in all the objective/scientific power levels and efficiency testing! You can tell its way overbuilt from the extreme dynamic numbers, I am also glad to see the protection circuit works!
@wal Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the feedback!
@gtstanton9785 Жыл бұрын
You absolutely deserve it Sir! Great work please keep it up, you reignited my love for Bass @ 43 years old!
@handymadness Жыл бұрын
Agree
@handymadness Жыл бұрын
@@gtstanton9785 I’m 43 as well and have been into bass and car audio since I was 18. Lol.
@VisionSoundPDX Жыл бұрын
Nice to finally see you getting more recognition for your great, realistic reviews and testing. You’re making it easier for those who are new to car audio to not only understand power ratings but to also pick out the right kind of gear. Good job Big D!
@wal Жыл бұрын
Thank you very much!
@hellraizer322 Жыл бұрын
Those are some monster amps! I was surprised at how stable they were.
@twotonebtw5448 Жыл бұрын
Just a 4k amp flexing it's muscle. The numbers and efficiency are crazy good for this level of an amp. Great video. It's also great to see a different tradition start for Surge as a brand.
@wal Жыл бұрын
😬👍
@jimmykugel438 Жыл бұрын
I'm buying 2😂
@stephenloague91404 ай бұрын
@@jimmykugel438 I bought one and just ordered another one. Going on 2 dd audio 9512k esp. Sending them in to be swapped to dual 2 ohm and supercharged.
@kswis Жыл бұрын
Excellent review of a nice amp. I'm a sucker for a good looking powerful amp, then the video kept going! I can't believe you didn't make us wait n do a second video D! Always excellent content
@wal Жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching and commenting!
@UzsDc1UZ Жыл бұрын
The owner of surge is amazing, my Wolfram aw1500.1 still shocks me. His knowledge is incredible
@Chuck_Sanders Жыл бұрын
He's going to take Surge, so far beyond Wolfram. He has very, very solid products! Great tests man, as always.
@xchimnyx Жыл бұрын
Eh maybe. He’s losing major support over the racism coming to light
@Chuck_Sanders Жыл бұрын
@@xchimnyx in today's time, everybody cries racism. Got one of the biggest racists, vacationing in the White House.
@xchimnyx Жыл бұрын
@@Chuck_Sanders cool.
@zachhuff2228 Жыл бұрын
@nob.saudio5915 where did that even come from? You know it don't matter who is president cause the president has someone telling them what to do!
@Chuck_Sanders Жыл бұрын
@@zachhuff2228 were they telling him what to do, for the past 50 plus years of his political career? Were they telling him, to continually push segregation style rhetoric all those years? Did they tell him to call black americans...monkeys, roaches, rapists and the likes, for soo many years? Nobody told him, to associate himself with Robert Byrd for all those years, and to have him as his mentor. Nobody told him to say, that black kids could be as smart as white kids. Nobody told him to push crime bills, that were harsher on black Americans. Know your history of an individual, before you say...somebody makes and or tells someone what to do and or say, before making a statement. I simply stated, that Colin would take Surge, well beyond Wolfram...and someone had to bring racism into the fold. I simply stated an obvious fact. Have a great day, my friend. No need to discuss that any further. 👍
@vincentrusso4332 Жыл бұрын
Wow that 7K had some dynamic headroom.. thanks for the upload LT.
@kelnap2294 Жыл бұрын
Thanks so much. Been waiting for this video for 3 months! Awesome power appreciate everything you do brother! .5 ohm sheesh!
@calvinevans8305 Жыл бұрын
Those heatsinks have got to be hot. I wanted to see the infrared camera view on these.
@Pi_Cue Жыл бұрын
This amp looks great. That bass knob looks great. The quality seems good too. Thanks for the video BD
@CarAudioObsessions Жыл бұрын
Looks like a direct copy of the JP amps knob
@Thomamps Жыл бұрын
If only it was in the correct units for the rest of the world.
@JasonWW2000 Жыл бұрын
@@CarAudioObsessions No, its similar to several brands.
@JasonWW2000 Жыл бұрын
@@Thomamps units should be able to change.
@Chuck_Sanders Жыл бұрын
@@CarAudioObsessions the type of knob, he copied from CT
@tonyfoley9988 Жыл бұрын
I just got 1 of the 7k models, and let me tell ya this Surge 7k is 1 of the most beautiful designed amps I've personally ever owned. I haven't installed it yet, but so far, in my opinion, these Surge amps remind me a lot of the Sundown SALT series amps, and again, that's just my opinion. Anyways, another great video, sir. I always enjoy, plus, learn stuff when watching your videos.
@markroberts715 Жыл бұрын
Naahhhh lol,jps amps %100 but surge has nice amps too
@tminusoftexas3224 Жыл бұрын
Bid D Wiz thank you for doing these videos. Do you know anyone who fixes the old Fosgate amp or have a direction you can point me to? Thank you. Watching from Houston Texas.
@JohnG1000 Жыл бұрын
Desert audio specialists are the guys I sent my amps to for fixing. They are the actual old school rockford engineers and rockford fosgate pointed me in their direction.
@yougod7253 Жыл бұрын
Tiffanny RCA jacks. Good sign of quality. like that bass knob.
@tonesmith909 Жыл бұрын
Those look slick. Made in Korea goodness 🫡👌
@bunky021543 Жыл бұрын
Great dyno! I have the 7k and although I haven't installed it yet I'm definitely happy with those numbers!
@wal Жыл бұрын
Awesome 👏
@sacred-mountainwolf6928 Жыл бұрын
I have 7k and its a different type of monster
@bunky021543 Жыл бұрын
@Sacred-Mountain Wolf I just installed my 7k just to see how it sounds with a Skar VXF 12 that I've had for almost 5 years and it's insane at 4 ohms
@sacred-mountainwolf6928 Жыл бұрын
@bunky021543 I got mine on 2 zvx 18s and it's taking up my expedition
@bunky021543 Жыл бұрын
@Sacred-Mountain Wolf I have 2 brand new VXF 12's that I'm planning on running but I think I'm going to buy 2 Fi HC 12's for my 7k. But at the moment that 1 VXF is absolutely slamming and in the last 5 years that I've had it this sub had never hit so hard!
@chriscarroll36359 ай бұрын
Im kinda confused. I watched another dyno of this amp by Hi-Fi and the amp did 6619 dynamic at 1ohm. This one only did 5575 dynamic at 1ohm. That's a huge difference. Something doesn't seem right. I don't think they are running that much different power wise to test them are they?
@2008guelo8 ай бұрын
Yeah that’s weird Bass dad just did a video on this same amp and he got about same as big d.
@chriscarroll36358 ай бұрын
I'm sure it's closer to this number.
@Silentroller93 Жыл бұрын
I noticed there are several amps on the market now that all seem to have a very similar build and bass knob like the D4S amps. Wouldn’t be surprised if they were made by the same manufacturer.
@wal Жыл бұрын
IMO the best SPL related amps are built by S&I. Several companies use them, JP, Surge, Deaf Bonce and many more. It still boggles my mind a 4kW amp can be in such a small footprint. This would have been a 150x2 amp back in the day (90's)
@JasonWW2000 Жыл бұрын
There are many manufacturers and they tend to copy each others designs. So don't assume there is one company just because a product looks similar.
@Clare.1985Ай бұрын
I'm about 1:59 into this video and this surge 4k looks damn near identical to my deaf bounce aak 4k. Its only missing the clip button and has a clip light on the amplifier.
@ah48008 күн бұрын
Cookie cutter boards
@djambush360 Жыл бұрын
10:58 It,s nice that in the pover supply section 105°C capacitors are used but i would like to see 105°C in the amp section too. The little 47µF in between the coils also looks like a standard 85°C type. But that,s "nörgeln" on a high level [using , instead of ' because it,s more efficient on a keyboard with german outlay].
@westreadwell9675 Жыл бұрын
Love the way it looks. Hope support lasts. Awesome!
@wal Жыл бұрын
Yes the amp is built with quality in mind
@barrettalen7 ай бұрын
I garauntee the brand will grow as long as the quality of the products doesn't drop. I honestly think that you're not going to find a better comparable amplifier for the price per watt. Take advantage of the pre-sale opportunities if available. I've always received the products I've pre-ordered from previous orders of Wolfram Audio and Surge Audio. I own the 4k,7k,and just got the 10k . Pretty sure the 10k is a 12k Amp in sheep's clothes. The 7k is an 8k I. Sheep's clothes for sure. I love my Korean sound if you don't know the difference between half bridge Korean and anything else please do yourself a favor and buy a Surge Audio Amp.
@1ohmwrecker Жыл бұрын
I been looking at that 7k for over 6+ months now. But then might as well get the 10k and never need another amp again lol. They're pretty fairly priced amps!
@TRONMAGNUM2099 Жыл бұрын
Beastly amps. Congrats on the Sponsorship. Hopefully you get discount codes to share with viewers.
@kennethporst1738 Жыл бұрын
THAnk you Willson: because you aways post these videos I never have to purchase a setup like yours to test my Amplifiers
@wal Жыл бұрын
I appreciate it and I have spent a LOT over the years beefing up my test bench and still have some things to do now (mainly cosmetic)
@NoMoreTortillas1 Жыл бұрын
I go to this channel to see what amp would go good with my next build. Love this channel! Keep up the great work!
@BlenderRookie Жыл бұрын
To put those numbers into perspective, the 2nd amp is putting out more than 2X the amount of power a oven will draw and 3X what a central air conditioner will draw.
@corryszam Жыл бұрын
I think Surge and Down4Sound shop at the same supply store in Korea!! Love both brands!
@d.j.theman7581 Жыл бұрын
I love the amp. I purchased it a couple of weeks ago. It does put out the power it says
@lupillos7404 Жыл бұрын
Good testing we’re is he 10K amp test we got the 4K and the 7k the 10k will be great Test 👍🏻
@wal Жыл бұрын
Budget Gem tested the 10k. It’s linked in the video description
@Darktron Жыл бұрын
I love how clean it counts upto and past rated power
@MrAnderson5157 Жыл бұрын
You'll def need a change in your voltage setup with these. They draw big amperages. But you cannot get power without so its expected. Big 3 recommended.
@stevemaniaci4750 Жыл бұрын
I'm so glad you tested these amps . There really put out the power . These an the wolfram's are good choices . Being there are very stable under one ohms load. Definitely having lithium battery banks is a must to have them doing the job, preventing clipping on your expensive subwoffers . Thanks again big D wiz love the channel your doing great things . Can you maybe try testing one those , ( RUTHLESS AMPS).
@scamchan Жыл бұрын
How hot were they after the test tho??
@dreci3001 Жыл бұрын
Very nice units, slick design and color scheme, but looking at the amperage draw I'm hugging the fire extinguisher! Holy molly! Great test, great amps, keep it up.
@richardwilson5944 Жыл бұрын
Do ya'll recommend running the 7K @.5ohm if you have the electrical. I have BrandX 390, Dual 0ga power/ground runs everywhere and dual copper 0ga amp inputs on each pwr/ground terminal on for the amp. Oh and 80ah CES Lithium bank. Will be pushing 2 B2 Audio Rage XL 12's. They are rated @2500rms each.
@markwentz8332 Жыл бұрын
Double dyno goodness! impressive digits! Thanks for the test's BigD! 😎👍
@wal Жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching and commenting!
@granprixfreak Жыл бұрын
Love your old school tests Sir .
@Natetron1000 Жыл бұрын
Man do I like me some low ohm load amps! Impressive stuff! There is great engineering put into these. And a quality bass knob ta-boot!
@TFOTLITBOK_P1_7 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for another great review! I noticed that the amps drew less amperage at .67 than they did at 1 ohm yet produced more wattage. Very cool. Still, at around 500 to 700 amp draw when pushing them they will absolutely require some beefy electrical upgrades. That said I agree with you, they are very well made amplifiers.
@wal Жыл бұрын
Don't forget these tests are using test tones, music is much more dynamic unless you listen to rebassed stuff. You still need beefed up electrical but not the 320aH of LTO that I have
@TFOTLITBOK_P1_7 Жыл бұрын
@@wal Right on. I've just upgraded my Suburban big 4 to 2/0 gauge in anticipation of upcoming changes to my system. 1/0 would have been fine but I found a killer deal on r larger wire so figured why not 😆
@Van1018s Жыл бұрын
I’ve ran a very similar wolfram at .17 on speakers. As long as you rolled into even test tones it never protected. Only protected if you burped tones at clipping. Pretty typical for high quality Korean. Done it with DB aak and salt series also. .33 on speakers is always fine with these types of amps. Just expect a lot of current draw. Great video 👍🏼👍🏼
@scottouimet2865 Жыл бұрын
2x salt8s strapped at .7 clamping almost 25k... 190ah cmax not even stressing the draw lol
@caseytbss Жыл бұрын
Somebody math ain’t mathin’. …… .17 load = my 🍑 Good lawd, What’s next? Negative ohm load? That’s what I wire my omega 40k to bro! -.68 ohm load, Do me and I owe you one style!! When you wire reverse (negative ohm load) it’s like a Tesla when it regenerates during braking!
@Van1018s Жыл бұрын
@@scottouimet2865 2 salt 12’s strapped at .25 clamping 49,500. Popped amps frequently
@Van1018s Жыл бұрын
@@caseytbss yes my math is correct. I currently have 3 db aak 20,000.1 wired at .4. They don’t even get hot. Clamp about 21k an amp on speakers. I’ve spent $15k on electrical. So they stay above 16 volts.
@Van1018s Жыл бұрын
@@scottouimet2865 sounds about right. Very nice 👍🏼
@brandonadams120 Жыл бұрын
Love the surge audio amps but they need to make a 2000.1
@sleepergli3080 Жыл бұрын
John price should sponsor this channel along with skar, sundown, and kicker.
@eversoul436 ай бұрын
Installed my 7k this weekend. Hungry amp. My cyber 12k lithium with 320 amp alt can't hang with it. My Wolfram 5k never dipped under high 13volts. This 7k dropped to 12.3 volts after slamming for 15 minutes.
@wtfbenny Жыл бұрын
Thanks bigD, killer looking amp. Quick question, have you ever benched any of the old GT series Boston Acoustics amps? The Italian ones
@papi352583 Жыл бұрын
I would love to see those dynod as well. I've owned a few of those.
@FiglioBastardo Жыл бұрын
Is that subwoofer box an off-the-shelf buy or is that a custom made enclosure? I'm definitely gonna buy the 4000 watt amp and want to run a quad woofer setup in my mk4 jetta.
@2008guelo Жыл бұрын
Off the shelf from kicker
@FiglioBastardo Жыл бұрын
@@2008guelo thank you. Yeah I later searched like I should have in the first place. 🍻
@anthoney5416 Жыл бұрын
Im going to try this amp out
@PerformanceFestiva Жыл бұрын
Crazy stuff! This test was so intense it caused an earthquake in Turkey.
@stereomojo Жыл бұрын
I love it when BigD drops a new video!
@edtexas5064 Жыл бұрын
Man, I miss driving around bumping my old system. Not been able to drive a car since 2017 and I 100% miss being a basshead.
@ubeuonly Жыл бұрын
Buy some headphones. Bumping bas in the car is not for you. It's for others...not good for your ears...not the most respected either
@edtexas5064 Жыл бұрын
@@ubeuonly Nope. It was for me. Always played music loud at the house and when driving I normally bumped when on the highwys or empty roads. I didn't need to call attention to everyone around me on a packed street. City driving I had my subs turned off or turned waaay down.
@ubeuonly Жыл бұрын
@@edtexas5064 as I said, buy some headphones, you're not putting thousands of watts into an audio system in a car for the people inside the car, be real for a moment. I'm not even ghetto mentality but I've always have systems and every car as I've been in the industry for 45 years, never had over 500 w a real power in any car and my system was always capable of 135 decibels and I'm suffering some hearing loss from occasional high-volume use. Big woofers are ignorant and from the streets and made for playing ghetto ass music, and that's not something to be proud of booming down the street. Attention and nothing more.
@raulamadorjr2507 Жыл бұрын
Oh hell yeah!!! I wanna see the 10 k amp. Was thinking of getting the wolfram aw9k but never in stock
@tonyfoley9988 Жыл бұрын
I forgot about the 1 question I have about this Surge 7k I just purchased. I'm upgrading from a Skar RP3500.1 and the ANL fuses I've got installed right now are 300A. So my question is do I need to go to a larger fuse or is 300A good to go? Any advice is much appreciated because I've been out of the bass scene for quite some time so I'm basically learning about car audio all over. Thanks any and everyone ahead of time!!
@Packersnbassforlife Жыл бұрын
Yo bid d did u have the 4 ohm n 2 ohm test results for the 7k boss.
@Rightn2Parabola Жыл бұрын
Absolutely love this amp! I'd trade my salt 8 for a surge 10k, np. Freaking love their bass knob. Way cooler than the salt knobs. These amps take a damn beating too. Well made!
@glennonheinrich8185 Жыл бұрын
You would need the surge 10K to compete with the salt 8 and the bass knobs are pretty much the same. They're made in the same factory along with the JP amps and the ruthless audio amps.
@Onewheelordeal Жыл бұрын
@@glennonheinrich8185 for real, I might just call Korea and have my own amps too lol
@Rightn2Parabola Жыл бұрын
@@glennonheinrich8185 really, they're made in the same s&i factory in Korea? They're the same bass knob? Wow! You really seem to know your stuff. Thanks bud. Derp.
@JasonWW2000 Жыл бұрын
@@glennonheinrich8185 Are you making assumptions based on appearance?
@johnebuckland Жыл бұрын
Very nice. I notice the power output counted up very smoothly. Does this translate to better sound quality than ones that don't do that, or is that not noticeable with bass amps?
@RodofAllTrades Жыл бұрын
The heatsink design appears to promote effective convection! Prices seem reasonable too. Good numbers and impressive efficiency. Thumbs up for me!
@wal Жыл бұрын
😬👍
@johnpolaski6126 Жыл бұрын
You dont have to explain im all in 😂 thumbs up 10 secs in!
@geraldmartinez6867 Жыл бұрын
Hi boss i was wondering if when u do the amp dynos do u have to turn up the gain on the amp or not even have to mess with it o was wondering how that works
@wal Жыл бұрын
The gain on the amp is set to the head unit with 10dB of overlap using the DD-1+. Amp won’t produce more power if gain is higher, it will just reach max power sooner. This may be a good video topic 🧐
@ceciljones1248 Жыл бұрын
Another thing I wanted to comment on Every time a amplifier goes into protection it slowly damages components ?You know how I know? From experience? Blowing up amplifiers with not enough current supply to the amplifiers?
@lanewarriorillridez3739 Жыл бұрын
How about this Surge Audio PS 7000.1D vs the Synergy WFO 5.1D amp? What do you think Big D?
@crisnmaryfam7344 Жыл бұрын
Wow. Now I wonder how long they hold up to a beating. If well, they are a solid up and comer for sure.
@night_fishingtrips Жыл бұрын
DJ Fishmaster is Watching and Loves Your Videos Brother
@highball1837 Жыл бұрын
Always enjoy your vids and this one is no exception. How about that amp draw! Going to need a serious alternator and and extra battery or two.
@Onewheelordeal Жыл бұрын
Just wanted to let you know at least one guy is hoping you never quit the Allen keys jokes, knowing it's coming just makes it funnier for me
@bradj5642 Жыл бұрын
Would a jp8 amp and 1 sa12 be a good combo ?
@HardKnocks160s Жыл бұрын
Yes I think so I'm going to run a jp8 on a 1200rms 15 at 1ohm should sound good
@HVWeight Жыл бұрын
Big D, what's your quad box wired to and do you change the wiring when testing different amps?💯
@jo3rdchannel940 Жыл бұрын
Have you tested any crunch amplifiers like the crunch pdx 1000.4
@marcoperez7330 Жыл бұрын
Did not know Colin Buckeye was behind this brand...Great AMPS...
@shilosound Жыл бұрын
When calculating efficiency. Why do you accept the value 433A if it was 470A ?
@stevenjones5226 Жыл бұрын
What's the best way to reach you and possibly drag run a critical mass 4x, lmk and yws I'm aware of the scams
@ganeshnarayan5505 Жыл бұрын
Great video Big D. if you gonna hook this amp in your car better have some good alternator and wiring.
@cptklutch26 Жыл бұрын
That's a badass amp for sure
@ceciljones1248 Жыл бұрын
Like he said the reason why the amplifier goes into protection at. 5ohms because there is not a impedance rise? If he was using subwoofers it would be. 8ohms or 1ohm
@tonyfoley9988 Жыл бұрын
Really nice bass knob
@arturismagilov3285 Жыл бұрын
Hello American friend! Can you show your power supply system for DUNO? Her power banks are connected by copper bars? Make more power banks in parallel so that there is no power drawdown due to reactive power consumption.
@wal Жыл бұрын
Hello! The power is supplied by 320aH of LTO cells (Yinlong / XS Power 40aH cells, 48 of them in 6S8P format). I also have (4) 100A power supplies that can be used in linked mode for up to 400A of supplementary current.
@Stephenlivingston Жыл бұрын
Wolfram was basically twisted sounds same exact board different heatsink. As soon as they swapped to the new model amps they started sucking my old 4500 which was number 67 in production was my favorite amp I’ve owned. Got a aw5000 and couldn’t even get 5k out of it. My 4500 clamped almost 6500
@JasonWW2000 Жыл бұрын
By same exact board, do you mean based on the same layout?
@Chuck_Sanders Жыл бұрын
@@JasonWW2000 they were same boards, and same build house
@JasonWW2000 Жыл бұрын
@@Chuck_Sanders As I said on my other post: "I think your confusing rebadging with copying. Its two different things. When I first started looking into all these "rebadged" amps I thought just like you. They seemed identical. It wasn't until I looked deeper and did more research that I realized what I though was rebadging was actually different companies coping the same design. Even when you have similar looking products coming from the same builder. You have to look deeper. Look at the components, count the winds on the transformers, disect the mcpcb. Different amp companies can tell these build houses to make a product to different standards. Use a cheap transformer in this brand and a more expensive one in that brand. This is why you see similar looking amps perform differently, even when they come from the same build house. Different component tolerances, thicker board traces, etc... The average person does not pick up on these nuances. They look at the underside of an amp and see that the basic layout is the same as this other amp and just assume they are identical. Its simply not the case. Even amp repair techs like Barevids will tell you they are not identical. He often will say they are the same, but what he means is they are the same layout and basic design, not that they are literally the same."
@Chuck_Sanders Жыл бұрын
@@JasonWW2000 so, I have had 3 comments removed. We work and have worked with S and I out of Korean as well as Zennon. We work with Sound and Power, AF, JLD and more out of China, as well as a few other build houses. About 65% or more are rebadged products. They have different heatsinks...and maybe use metal pots and gains attenuators versus a plastic one, and some use "Tiffany style" rca's where others don't. Again, I have dozens upon dozens of cloned SounDigital amplifiers from a few build houses in China, and one in particular makes about 7 brand names and are 100% identical through and through, component for component...and a few have a Big Brand name on the boards, and they just use a black fabric tape glued over the name. The same goes for S and I amplifiers, and with Zennon. Each company brands and pays the premiums for a custom heatsink and silk screening, or etching. Most of these aren't anything new, and are advertiseded with under rated power ratings, as it helps to sell better. Hell, a CAB22 and the Power Acoustik Vertigo 10k are the same, except the CAB22 cheaped out and used less fets. All other components are the same. That's one example only. Subwoofers/drivers...mids to tweeters are no different, as many are just a rebadged speaker/subwoofer. I have been in audio as a whole for over 3 decades, so none of this is new to me. Rebadging/Me too branding is everywhere. From full bridge to half bridge, to speakers and subs...it's more prevalent than you want to believe.
@JasonWW2000 Жыл бұрын
@@Chuck_Sanders Ah, it is good to have someone here who is familiar with manufacturing. I've worked with certain Chinese manufacturers helping design flashlights. I know it's not the same as amps, but it's very similar as far as companies cloning and copying each other. I think we are pretty much in agreement. Your saying it's not rare based on what your seeing more recently plus you have a broader definitionof the term. I'm saying it's rare based on hundreds of brands over several decades plus a narrow definition. So I think we can both be correct depending on the number of brands involved and how we define "rebranded". I think what we are referring to is a bit murky. I don't consider it an exact item if there are changes other than cosmetic. So different rca, different pots, etc... I consider it a clone and not a rebadge. You consider it a rebadge. That also makes my estimation of rebadges smaller than yours. No big deal, I think we are both right. 😁 It would be cool if you could help me educate audio people that just because two amps have similar board layouts it doesn't mean they are exactly the same. It's such a common problem I see. It should always be on a case by case basis and not just assumed. Sometimes they are exactly the same item (Teampie selling to PBoyz, PowerHogg, EMF, JonesSS, etc...), but most of the time they are not (Audiopipe AP3000 and Taramps HD3000). That's really the point I want to get across. Don't assume it's the same. It might be, but not likely.
@MarkJohnson-xx5ev Жыл бұрын
Have u ever tested any roadstar rda1011 1>4000 watt max
@holeshotinspectionllc2412 Жыл бұрын
Looks like another solid option. Thanks, Big D 🤙
@rickgrimes4133Ай бұрын
I have a question BIG D, Do you think wiring the 7k amp to a .5 speaker load will result in going into protect? Or, has it been proven before in the past that the amp dyno is just too hard at .5ohms vs speaker loads? The fact it wouldn’t do a dynamic burst at .5 worries me. YES I already own the 7k but I’m getting ready to purchase new subs and are worrying about trying to do a .5 load
@walАй бұрын
It’s difficult to say as a general statement as each setup wired to 0.5 will be slightly different based on your rise. The way I like to compare is running an amp like this at 0.5 is like running your engine at redline all the time. Will it do it? Yes. How long? Depends. It will absolutely shorten the life of the amp but if you want the most bang for your buck then it may be worth running it that hard
@deepblue812 Жыл бұрын
I remember what feels like not long ago that an amp with 4000W may as well been infinity watts.
@Thomamps Жыл бұрын
Every Leatherman owner knows "Surge is King"!
@shanecunningham6082 Жыл бұрын
Layout looks exactly like my D4S Jp23 I know this is a 4k mono and mine a 2.3k mono. But suspect they’re sourcing from same vendor. Even the boxing was similar bass cable same, bass knob similar. Apparently vendor will customize. Also similar is sound Qubed and even CT sounds.
@glennonheinrich8185 Жыл бұрын
JP33 and up are built in the same factory as the surge amps. Also ruthless audio, salt amps and deaf bonce AAKs all from s&I
@shanecunningham6082 Жыл бұрын
@@glennonheinrich8185 at end you state all from s&l. What is s&l.
@JasonWW2000 Жыл бұрын
@@shanecunningham6082 It is a company in Korea. I'm not sure if Glennon is just making assumptions of their origin or if he has actual evidence. Typically companies keep it secret who makes their products.
@Chuck_Sanders Жыл бұрын
@@JasonWW2000 is not an assumption
@JasonWW2000 Жыл бұрын
@@Chuck_Sanders Thats great. Can you show me the evidence?
@heribertomontalvo1203 Жыл бұрын
Hi williston what is the name of the music track you used
@sleepergli3080 Жыл бұрын
Great price for this product!!
@scottiffanimccord1509 Жыл бұрын
Does anyone know what frequency the bass boost is set at thx!
@Deusle Жыл бұрын
👋 hello Big D Wiz. I've been enjoying your videos for years. I have a Cadence QRS 1.3000D that I would love to have you do a video on. It's for sale and has a very unique design. I can't seem to find any useful examples of these online, which leads me to believe not many were produced. You're the first tech that came to mind back when I purchased it. If this interests you, please let me know. I really would appreciate a thorough bench test. I have other amps that you don't have videos on that would draw some attention. Thanks, Chris
@southnyourmind Жыл бұрын
I saw these amps before I purchased my deaf bonce apocalypse AAK.. I had never heard of them before, but I was intrigued. I didn't see much research on these, so I didn't. Now I regret it.
@wal Жыл бұрын
The AAK’s are beef as well
@southnyourmind Жыл бұрын
@@wal yeah, but they cost a bit more, and require a lot more electrical. I had a 320 alt, lithium, two agms, and a supercap and still had voltage drop. Hard. From 14.2 to 11.8.. and then clip city.
@Demos_By_DeadWise Жыл бұрын
Can u do some deafbonce amps like the aab line and aak line
@wal Жыл бұрын
thanks for the suggestion. Just tested the AAK-4000 kzbin.info/www/bejne/hpnVh2SMYr6MZrc
@justforlaughs8988 Жыл бұрын
Love the video Big D!!! I think it would be awesome if you also did testing comparing the differences as far as the reactive real world in the car clamping the inputs and outputs of an amp to see the differences idk I think it would be cool 😎! Love this little beast of an amp and love the colors!!!
@JasonWW2000 Жыл бұрын
I don't think that kind of testing would be consistent or relevant. There are too many variables. By doing tests in a consistent manor you can better compare different brands and models.
@justforlaughs8988 Жыл бұрын
@JasonWW2000 if he was to charge at 14.8 wired to a set of d2 woofers down to 0.5 ohm it would show us, A what the amp could do real world wattage and current pulled after introducing impedance rise I think that would be a petty awesome relative test.
@JasonWW2000 Жыл бұрын
@@justforlaughs8988 Thats both too specific and not specific enough. The impedance curve of the drivers will be influenced by the type of enclosure, size and tuning frequency they are in and the size of the vehicle. The impedance curve is how the amp makes power. We can already infer what the amp will do at lower impedances. So the test you describe would be useless. How would your test be relevant to a person using a Cmax battery? Not very. Most people running really big amps are using lithium. I guess your asking for these tests because you don't know how to take the info from the bench test and translate it into how it would perform in your specific setup. Thats valid, not everyone can do that. You don't really need specifics, you just want a general understanding of how it would work on real music. The only way to know for sure is to try it yourself. Get your subs and play them in your vehicle, watch the impedance change, measure your current draw, see how low your voltage dips, etc... If your setup only ever dips down to say 2 ohm then you know at max unclipped volume this 4k amp is gonna draw about 275 amps. Can your alternator and battery supply that kind of current? If not, limit the volume so the amp draw is less. It really is that simple. Once you know what the amp does you can put that info into your situation and determine if its going to work for you or not. If you want, you can tell me your setup and I can recommend what amp size you should get.
@fusion82 Жыл бұрын
How much is that 200 dollar amp selling for
@wal Жыл бұрын
🤷♂️
@xXxMMFGxXx Жыл бұрын
If possible, I’d like to see the Marts Digital 13,500
@nebel.soundsystems Жыл бұрын
Can you do a Video about The Emphaser Neo SPL or the Emphaser SPL X4
@wal Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the suggestion
@charliefrancis6438 Жыл бұрын
How many amps have you tested that didn’t go into protection at .5 resistive ?
@wal Жыл бұрын
VERY few. Many have blown up as the protection circuits in many are not fast enough to protect them
@HifiVega Жыл бұрын
Good looking amps! That gray reminds me of the bmw gray.
@wal Жыл бұрын
Yeah! I think KIA has one like this for the Stinger?
@HifiVega Жыл бұрын
@@wal they sho do
@Sam-to1zg Жыл бұрын
Is not it identical to down4sound, I meant test figures?
@mobi7215 Жыл бұрын
I have a B2 audio Riot 7500. Can you do a dyno on it?
@wal Жыл бұрын
I don't take in amps from viewers at this time, thought about doing it as a service, but round trip shipping plus my time is gonna make most people say NAH, so I haven't moved forward with it
@Skarfar90 Жыл бұрын
Very nice and clean looking amps :)
@avnut5517 Жыл бұрын
Good test results. Good specs. I hope the manufacturer can support them
@wal Жыл бұрын
😬👍
@michaelzernie7092 Жыл бұрын
Awesome amps! Seen them draw some serious amperage too 😁👍👍 2 tests in one video!?!? Damn we are lucky! Keep em goin dude. Awesome videos👍👍👍