Surron Ultra Bee vs. "REAL" Dirtbikes

[@TwoBears036]

Another great video Zekd!!! Glad I was able to enjoy the ride with you. Got to do it again soon.

[@Mitmandoo]

Cool Video, keep it up, wish I had trails like this where I live! Love my Ultra none the less!

[@zekd]

Appreciate it! Yeah, we are pretty fortunate with the public trail systems we have up here.

[@itsonlyjeff]

Yeah I've turned all of the regen off as well... rides kinda like a 2t now. I get about 18-20 miles on flowy single track like this but that is in 32 degree weather and with a few big climbs. You should cut those trees lower to the ground so you dont leave spikes ;)

[@norcoman876]

great riding video and beautiful trails, just a suggestion when cutting the trees you should cut them at ground level because you are making what some call "pungees" that if someone were to fall on them they could be stabbed by it. Cheers and keep up the great riding!

[@zekd]

Great advice, i actually went back after this video was posted and cleaned it up. Another viewer also suggested it. Appreciate you watching!

[@mouss9918]

really good vids man i normally find my selft clicking off dirt bike vids despite loving the sport but this one had me good luck

[@zekd]

Damn, thanks man! I appreciate it!

[@lostwithasmile485]

These videos are so good! My top e moto channel I look forward to now!

[@schreddersworld1050]

Great riding and great commentary! I also just got a pair of lowered pegs and am in the process of painting them. I am surprised at your range as I can do 25 -30 pretty easily in sport mode. Did you put on a roller chain yet? I was running a 53 tooth sprocket and had my regens at 5. I just switched to a 54 and a primary chain and went from 2 throttle setting back to one. We'll see what the range is now. I also went to 3 on the engine regen with the 54. Glad to see that you love your Ultra like I do!

[@blakewidman2523]

You inspired me to get an ultra bee. I’m loving it! But I have noticed the awkward standing position on a completely stock ultra bee. Love the content man keep it up

[@FlowAerials]

At 2:44 you mentioned the throttle sensitivity setting in Daily mode. Just FYI setting F in the menu has effect only in Sport mode, no change in Daily or Eco. :) Btw nice ride, cool video, keep up the great content. :)

[@zekd]

Was wondering why I didn’t notice a difference 🤣 thanks for that. Appreciate you watching!

[@trail.squatch]

So sick! Can’t wait to ride together Zekd!

[@enduro_j]

These flowy trails look amazing!

[@Isamanuisamanu]

Greetings from Belgium. After 1 year of talaria Sting, I receive my Son-ron Ultra bee tomorrow... I’m a little bit excited... 😛

[@zekd]

That is awesome! Enjoy!

[@Dzuliolt]

Whats your opinion ultra vs talaria? I can't decide witch one to buy...

[@PirateWasHere]

U re doing decent videos, amazing video quality and all the time action 🍕🍻

[@zekd]

Thanks! I appreciate you watching!

[@michaelenglund]

I think it is easy to control heavy regen with the throttle. For me no need to have lower regen. I use it when I need to with throttle control.

[@lostwithasmile485]

@10:35 you could not have timed that any better! LOL!

[@Slachets]

Электро брат сделай видео где ты всю поездку будешь ехать в эко режиме не переключая его, в смешанной местности по асфальту и бездорожью, начина со 100 процентов заканчивая как минимум 5. вот такой скажем тебе вызов бросили, надеюсь справишься и снимешь это видео, спасибо большое тебе за ранее если снимешь ролик в таком формате)

[@nunyobizkneez]

do a bike upgrade/add ons vid. it would be awesome for potential/new owners to see whats out there to help dial in these bikes based on rider preference

[@zekd]

Absolutely, been waiting to hit 500mi before making the video, one more ride and I'll be there ready to discuss. Appreciate the suggestion!

[@bingeciren]

Very nice. Shows how capable the UB is. I've been enjoying mine for the past 3-4 months and frankly my KTM 300 became my second choice for this type of riding. My mods are aimed at getting maximum benefit for the least amount of money spent. Bar risers, 100/90-19 Mitas soft enduro rear tire, putting the rear tire to the front and a 50 rear sprocket. Getting about 40 miles range riding hard enduro. Don't want to switch to 18/21 wheels because I don't want to add more weight to this bike. So far I'm extremely happy with the result.

[@ElToroMoto]

Are you running the stock front tire or? With the taller side profile of the 100/90-19 were there any adverse effects in terms of balance? I have a Tusk EMEX 100/90-19 and it's about 3/4 of an inch taller than the stock setup. I also put on the 80/100-19 Tusk EMEX front tire which I like. I've held off on putting on the 100/90-19 due to concerns about negatively impacting the handling of the bike so I'd appreciate your feedback. Thx.

[@bingeciren]

@@ElToroMoto I just took the stock rear tire, which by the way is a front tire by design, and put it on the front wheel. If you do the math, putting an 18” wheel and a suitable fatter tire on it gives you the same wheel diameter of the 100/90-19 tire. The stock rear tire of the UB, being 90/90-19 is slightly smaller in diameter wrt this rear tire but nothing noticeably significant. So in effect the geometry of the bike is not much altered. Sure the 21” front tire would be better for going over the ruts but for technical single track slow speed riding it doesn’t matter that much. It all depends on your riding style. High speed MX riding is not what I do.

[@KNKLHEAD]

I like "max benefit least amount" theory. I am getting UB here in a few weeks. Currently ride Light Bee single track. Regarding your tire set up: You are running 100/90-19 Mitas soft enduro rear tire (which model?) rear and moving the UB rear upfront .. Assume the 100/90-19 Mitas soft enduro rear tire is same or less height than original rear so your geometry remains correct? I also like single track and tight/technical riding best.

[@ChadOxford-m7y]

Great videos. I ride an ultra bee and live in WA as well. Ever consider racing NORCs or other off road races?

[@Fr3shM1nt]

Cool video! What sort of handle bar bag you using? Gonna have to try map A2 on my bike, never tried.

[@zekd]

You can’t buy this exact bar bag. But I would check out trailboundco - they have some great bar bars that are very similar to my setup.

[@abrdun]

6:50 Guys, look I found a squirrel!

[@BogdanNourescu]

Btw, from what i understand, throttle sensitivity only works in Sport mode

[@zekd]

Oh yeah I think you’re right.

[@nobraap]

@@zekd engine break when breaking is aswell only available in sport mode I think

[@Kovacreation]

I know upgraded batteries are a lot of money... but would be neat to see how a upgraded 72v or 84v battery would do

[@zekd]

Yeah I’m going to try and do a comparison. My buddy has an upgraded battery.

[@FortGeo1312]

Love the vibe!

[@zekd]

Thank you!

[@FortGeo1312]

@@zekdwhat do got as a phone holder?

[@nu77byte49]

Im very tempted on these ultra bee's I'm currently on a ec300 2011 and getting older so lighter would be nice

[@zekd]

man, they are a blast to ride! How many miles do you usually ride?

[@EricKammerzelt]

What phone mount? I like your style

[@jimji2774]

Very fun video to compare your ride with traditional bikes but you might also be a better rider. did you do any suspension or controller upgrades yet ? you can easily spend more on upgrades on these Surrons than you paid for this bike that can be fun too thanks.

[@zekd]

No suspension or controller mods. Yeah, the cost to upgrade the power is ridiculous. Pretty hard to justify.

[@ivanjohnson7883]

Great video dawg keep it up I’m watching 🫡🤣

[@justinstimpson]

Compared to the light bee. How comfortable is the seat?

[@zekd]

Not sure. I have not ridden the Light Bee. I find the seat on par with most modern dirt bike seats.

[@gareth5000]

Fabulous vid😁👍

[@zekd]

Thanks 😁

[@robbed_of_sanity]

I would like to take you to ride some Walker Valley secret trail. How does that bike do on big hill climbs.

[@zekd]

Lets do it! - I have it fully upgraded now (power wise) it tackles high climbs with ease now.

[@Tmbikes07]

Wanting to buy a ultra, could u make a video of making a top speed run, comparing it to other bikes, riding road and off-road?

[@zekd]

Yes, I plan on doing a 300mi review where I will cover all that. Thanks for the suggestion.

[@gavindobson6077]

Great video, is that a chin mount for the Go Pro?

[@gavindobson6077]

I like the way you have the ride report info in the description, excellent for research and reference 😊

[@zekd]

amzn.to/3ST5X26 - it’s a Dango Design Gripper Mount. I love it!

[@gavindobson6077]

@@zekd got it, 👌

[@gavindobson6077]

@@zekd can you share what editing software you use? 👍

[@trail.squatch]

More wheelie vids!

[@zekd]

you got it!

[@garbageman3992]

an e bike with a small 3 speed transmission or lowered gearing to max out at like 70 kmh would be fun for single-track riding where you dont need to put down much power. a transmission or low gearing would really increase the battery life by a lot and give you more than enough low end power for even hard enduro type riding. as it stands tho currently nobody makes a cheap, good quality e dirtbike andnobody makes one with a transmission despite them badly needing them for battery life, performance, and longevity. a small transmission would allow most e dirbtikes to have up to 500 charges and still have 80 percent capacity but all the current ones only get like 100 at the very best if you do hard enduro riding. i want to see someone put a transmission on a sur ron .

[@apergiel]

Nice video. So, 20 miles over moderate terrain on a single charge? VS 70 mpg on a gas bike? On very hilly coastal range trail where I would like to ride, it would be like 10 miles?

[@anotherguywithaflyingcamer6193]

No, it actually does a lot better at lower speed. The fast flow stuff uses about double the battery on electrics. Same is true with cars, they do better in the city than on the freeway. This was also in the cold with snow still on the ground. That significantly reduces electric range unfortunately. Most people that ride off-road get around 25-30 if they are on more technical stuff.

[@LaBrouetteSP]

🔥🔥🔥

[@PUGETSOUNDMOTORSPORTS]

We need to get together so you can ride some of my bikes 😏

[@zekd]

Let’s do it 😎

[@adaccarettb]

Ok, yo can do it, but at the end of the day ¿what are your feelings? Do you feel the same happiness that with the 2t?

[@zekd]

Yes, electric is a totally different experience. Most fun I've had in a while on 2 wheels. It's not a replacement for gas tho... yet.

[@basementrants]

What height riser did you go with?

[@zekd]

2”

[@TabooRevolution13]

Electric is where it's at now! After the Stark Varg I think they will dominate the market from now on!

[@ChadOxford-m7y]

Appreciate the videos. I also have an ultra bee and live in WA. Riding this weekend?

[@zekd]

I'm out of town this weekend, but I'm down to link up next. Where abouts are you located in WA?

[@ChadOxford-m7y]

I live in Issaquah but we travel all over

[@davidbabbitt106]

Stock wheels?

[@zekd]

Nope, 18/21 set from Warp9

[@Ebbrush3]

76AH batteries are ssoooo $$$$ for this bike

[@daniilvolkov8790]

Did he say Olympic peninsula?

[@TwoBears036]

Yeah, the Olympic Peninsula in Washington state. Belfair Washington to be more specific.Tahuya state forest.

[@Ebbrush3]

nice trail maintenance ...................F GAS anyone want to buy my kawis

[@joshc3926]

Some constructive criticism, please go back and recut those trees as close to the ground as possible. Ive seen first hand riders getting gaft by the 'bayonet' tree trunks like that hiding in the bush. Super dangerous!!

[@zekd]

I run this trail frequently, I'll clean em up next time. Unfortunately, riding where I ride, there's hundreds of trees like this

[@joshc3926]

@@zekd I hear ya man, can't fix'em all. Just makes me cringe at the thought of landing on one. Hey side question, what app are you running on your rides? I like the clean interface. Does it show speed, mi, heading on the right side of the screen. I dig it!

[@zekd]

@@joshc3926 Yeah, there's so many of those out in the parts where the logging companies have came through. To answer your question about the navigation. The applications is DMD2, and the device is a T665. I mainly use it on my adventure bike but it swaps so easy to different bikes. Allows you to track speed, distance etc. Along with tracking routes. My favorite part is you can hook a bluetooth obd2 dongle up to your gas bikes and read and clear codes from the device. Its pretty slick. Check out ADVtim.com for more info on it. I was sick of using Garmin. Way too clunky. The device is a rugged Android phone so you can run any apps you want on it.

[@joshc3926]

@@zekd Really good info, thank you for that!

[@ChadOxford-m7y]

Great videos. I ride an ultra bee and live in WA as well. Ever consider racing NORCs or other off road races?

[@zekd]

Nice! Yeah, would love to race NORCs. Been racing down in Arizona but haven’t gotten into it up here. Whats the usually milage of the races? Short course, long course?

[@ChadOxford-m7y]

I do short course since range won’t last the long course. It’s a timed race and short is now 45 min plus a lap. Range is still a concern even there

[@zekd]

Yeah stock battery wont cut it for me, I would need to upgrade before doing any races.

[@ChadOxford-m7y]

I have ordered a second battery from Puget soundmotorsports hot swap during the race but it’s not hear yet. Doing the team race for NMA round 1 this weekend at Horn Rapids and going to charge in between laps.