Coaching Jojo Siwa, Dance Moms, and surviving prison w/ Abby Lee Miller | Ep. 75

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‪@therealabbyleemiller‬ Abby Lee Miller from "Dance Moms" opens up about her journey from the beginnings of the Abby Lee Dance Company, her relationship with Jojo Siwa, being sentenced to a year and a day in prison, to her battle with cancer. Don't miss this candid and powerful conversation!
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Chapters:
00:00 - Episode 75
06:27 - How Dance Moms started
09:48 - Declaring bankruptcy
14:19 - Abby’s toughness wasn't fake
20:33 - My first impression of Jojo Siwa
23:23 - Coaching Jojo Siwa
26:25 - My criminal trial
34:47 - Abby Lee Miller's first day in prison
47:50 - Getting diagnosed with cancer
49:35 - Undergoing cancer treatment
58:36 - What's next for Abby Lee Miller?
1:03:31 - The reality of working on Dance Moms
1:05:43 - I don’t make money on reruns
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[@anikv17]

Not Abby interviewing Matt and Abby 💀

[@user-bg6cf3ie1t]

I am literally telling myself the same thing !!!!!

[@bkessinger94]

Right?!?!

[@urfav_sofi3]

Ain’t no way y’all got Abby Lee Miller 💀

[@Nothingstutube]

Clearly there is a way 😅

[@EverythingwithEmily]

Right! What did they have to pay her cuz she didnt even know who they are lol

[@kacyselje1714]

And they said they just dm people to get guests on the show 😂

[@JordyB652]

I was thinking the same thing when I first seen this 😂😂

[@josephsims9494]

What you think she a hologram ?

[@alexisarmstrong2123]

I have never heard someone praise themself so much 😂

[@sarahjohnson-n9w]

for real no humility.

[@Truechildofgod]

bro 😭

[@jasmynes7977]

I was thinking the same thing

[@ADRI1LOVESYOU]

No but like if you were her and had her success you would too

[@Truechildofgod]

@@ADRI1LOVESYOU abby we know this is your burner account.

[@elimunoz3165]

“maddie is in it for two seconds and cries and that’s it”💀💀💀💀

[@AdrianeMandrake-dk3pw]

Abby "let ME interview these two" 🤣

[@thecandelariafamily4705]

The amount of influential people you guys get on these podcasts is crazy!

[@melisa8256]

😂

[@sarahwilliams924]

😂😂😂

[@frosinicapandispan5534]

They're in the same club, just smoke and mirrors.

[@amandaetheredge8266]

I appreciate that you guys seek to have a variety of guests from all over on your podcast. Here’s what I got from this interview. This woman is very impressed by herself. She’s got a long way to go.

[@debfox]

I don’t appreciate it. Imagine them allowing their boys to be abused by her. She’s vile and doesn’t think she needs to change.

[@jukihiw]

Golly she really takes all the credit for her success and blames everyone else for her failures. Doesn’t pay the “school tax” for three years then blames the bank and “the sheriff’s daughter” for declaring bankruptcy. Says “I’m the ones that made all these girls and boys famous, it was all me, and I never got the credit for it” without giving any credit at all to how hard these children worked, never compliments them on achieving their dreams. Throws herself in as much glory as possible then says it’s her lawyers fault that it all went away. What a nasty person.

[@jukihiw]

SHE WANTED AN EMMY SHUT UP. Calling herself a Disney Princess

[@michellenicole9499]

Totally agree with you! This woman gives me the creeps. I was looking forward to Matt and Abby’s next episode and I see this woman on? I can’t watch this episode anymore 😒

[@nicolecorsillo]

I agree!! The most self centered person I’ve ever seen!!!

[@jukihiw]

@@michellenicole9499 I will give Matt and Abby credit-you could see the life leaving their eyes as the “interview” aka Abby blabbing on about herself being next to godliness, kept going. At the end they didn’t say more than “uh huh” and “oh yeah” lol.

[@cookno3]

I’m only 6 minutes in, this is hard to listen to!

[@dakotabuerman9483]

As a wheelchair user everything she stated regarding ADA issues is 100000% correct it is definitely insane

[@Megmeg123]

So much bragging and so many self-serving, random stories that are pointless in the conversation.

[@michaela7008]

Literally 😂

[@becci2303]

Her blood pressure being 23/17 😂😂 biggest lie in history

[@michaela7008]

@@becci2303 She would be ☠️☠️☠️

[@becci2303]

@@michaela7008 as a medical professional when I heard her say that I was like ok bs radar going off 😂

[@davidpatterson555]

@@becci2303I mean… would she even be alive if that was true?! lol.

[@MayaKirke]

I wonder what made Matt and Abby come to the conclusion of this collab

[@gloreeuhh-]

Shock value

[@b_sus87]

People are interested? Controversial figures make for the best content. We hear SO much about her, why not hear from her?

[@ashleyh.2178]

Money and more views

[@wellhowthehellareya]

Why not?

[@user-ms3wj3ek4t]

One of the best podcasts they’ve done.

[@janelh.8685]

It’s all about her. Still fighting to make it known “Look what I did. This is how great I am. I was the best of the best! I made them great/famous!” 🤮

[@yvonne8786]

Take a drink everytime she says I 🥴🥴🥴

[@teagan2741]

@@yvonne8786ooh fun game!!

[@abbyy.]

I like this kind of podcast. Nobody truly expected Abby as a guest. No matter what peoples opinions, bash and disrespect anyone in a way of the past experience, there still is someone’s own story to something. Abby has explained more in this podcast, than I think she ever has in the past about her jail time, cancer, bankruptcy. I never knew her dad was involved with the Dance Studio. I think this has came in many differently directions; but I truly think it gives people a different perspective, picture of Abby Lee Miller. I am not saying that I support her in a way but definitely a different perspective.

[@alexefontaine7782]

I 100000% agree!!

[@whitneypay515]

She’s like a sociopath

[@kayleigh4522]

You should have Christi from dance moms on!!! ❤

[@Smiley_d12]

YESSSSSS

[@elaineheath5226]

Yes, & Kelly!

[@davidpatterson555]

Christi and Kelly YES!!! I don’t even watch the show that much but I know these two are absolute legends!

[@katebruce8742]

The way she speaks, jumping around in the conversation, dramatic claims, irrelevant stories… it reminds me of my aunt with bipolar disorder. She doesn’t seem entirely mentally healthy.

[@davidpatterson555]

I don’t think she is, tbh! I don’t think she was mentally healthy before everything that happened to her… prison, being confined to a wheelchair… and after all of that it just got even worse

[@Spillingthetea-gq2si]

I feel like Abby and Matt were slightly intimidated by THE abby lee miller 😊

[@jens9613]

I would be too and I’m 50! Dang. But I’m a former dancer and was obsessed with her show.

[@harpershoppz]

When I saw that they got Abby Lee Miller I was lowkey concerned but why was it kinda entertaining 😭

[@AK_7_7]

THE WAY I CLICKED SO FAST… WHAT!!

[@emmabinges]

same lol!

[@MsYoungky]

I’m ten minutes in and man I just feel like I’m listening to some washed up drunk woman rambling on and on about nonsense. How did Abby and Matt sit through this entire interview?!? So painful!

[@Sophia_soapy]

The way I was shocked seeing this. I can’t believe how big the podcast has gotten!!!

[@katerilickona5345]

Or how not big Abby Lee has gotten….

[@DAYANA-RAMIREZ11]

​@@katerilickona5345that wild

[@anierodriguez523]

@@katerilickona5345eh…

[@thirtysomething4532]

​@@katerilickona5345 lol right. Probably the only people who wanted to interview her

[@clairelayla03]

The way Abby got scared at 38:30 when Matt admits he’s confused and Abby Miller starts saying “No no no no no no noooo”😣 I’d be scared too.

[@nikistracener7772]

Why? I’m confused lol sorry

[@kiwiluv9188]

Narcissism’s a helluva thing.

[@AvaGrace13slayy]

GET THE WHOLE DANCE MOM CAST!!!! PLEASE IT WOULD MEAN EVERYTHING TO MEEE!!!!! 😭 😭😭

[@charly2542]

People complaining about this but you can’t tell me you don’t watch dance moms for the drama come onnnn 😂

[@zoepeters3826]

I can. Never watched it in my life and never would. The clips I saw were terrible (both the coach and the parents).

[@jazzabelleftk]

Believe it or not, there are plenty of people who (when they realise how damaging something is) CAN and do stop giving it views and money. Matt and abby platforming Abby is so problematic i don't even know where to start

[@b_sus87]

@@zoepeters3826she’s not saying everyone watches it… shes saying for those that DO watch, it’s for the drama 🙃

[@b_sus87]

@@jazzabelleftkif someone is problematic, the more they speak the more others will see that. Cancel culture is the problem, bc it screams “this person is bad, take my word for it,” which will naturally make people more curious, driving them TO the person who’s been de-platformed…

[@charly2542]

I mean okayyyy… but Abby Lee miller?! She’s awesome- she speaks about how the show WANTED her to be that way. She’s super successful, but yeah I have every respect for Abby and Matt for doing this interview it’s awesome! 😂😊

[@hannahmadrid3599]

Now you have to have some of the dancers on to get their perspectives

[@kaylab7999]

Who else finds this so interesting

[@samu-chan]

what’s interesting about it? it’s brain dead content

[@sharonmartin1223]

I find it really Interesting..Those kids owe her a lot

[@joyofcooking7552]

Ive never given Matt a compliment, but he is an excellent interviewer.

[@Bri-hp4sx]

Definitely is!

[@SageRosemary]

Matt has shoes on and feet on floor for this one. 😂

[@bootsnmascara9038]

Hes probably getting sick of all the jokes and comments every time he let's his bare feet dangle during a video 😂

[@tamarathomas2789]

Lol he didn’t want to take any chances with Abby 😂

[@nuristavarez5716]

btw this haircut is the best one Matt’s had yet! Seriously

[@dianacooper-havlik4115]

Agreed😊

[@prihawilo2658]

Next thing you know it, Matt and Abby are gonna interview Obama 😔

[@Lucy-tl3ed]

Obama would never

[@Erin-G-M]

She needs the Lord. She’s all about self and has such an edge. She doesn’t seem to have any peace and joy in her life. You guys must have been stressed interviewing her…she’s a bit scary 😳

[@hdpetro6311]

Never expected to see this collab

[@amandastumpff5252]

I mean, Maddie is in West Side Story for more than two seconds and cries lol. She actually has a named role and she’s a featured dancer, she has lines and everything lol

[@isaacmizrahi270]

Matt is so outgoing and abby is so kind y’all are the best parents to griffin and auggie they r the cutest

[@carolinelitz9538]

I love how much they’re buying into this

[@tamarathomas2789]

I assumed they were just being nice 🤷🏽‍♀️😂

[@chelledegrasse2787]

This woman has single handedly ruined dance for tens of thousands of young kids. Why would you give her the time of day?

[@dolliedennon6513]

😅She has single handedly launched THOUSANDS of wildly successful kids and young adults, into world wide careers of their dreams!

[@nicholetoops5208]

​@dolliedennon6513 and how many of those kids are in therapy or how many of those kids have to take anxiety pills or quit dancing all together Abby lee Miller needs to be put in prison for the way she treated those little girl some one needs to treat her the way she treated those girls

[@sutherlandbrook3205]

@@nicholetoops5208weren’t you listening lol.. she DID go to jail for how she treated the kids… they used Other charges to put her there, but that’s why they wanted to punish her.

[@TommyStubbs]

@@dolliedennon6513 thousands???? she even said herself in the first couple of minutes she had 30 kids on broadway (impressive) but certainly not thousands lol

[@hannahcampbell8196]

​@@nicholetoops5208most of these kids probably would have ended up in therapy, on anxiety meds and/or quitting dancing anyway. That's just life. Not trying to defend her actions but that's putting A LOT of blame on ALM.

[@msotrfan1]

You guys should interview Jenelle Evans from Teen Mom 2. Don't forget to talk about Kiefer if you do. 😂

[@b_sus87]

YESSSS!!!

[@DivineSparkStudios]

Yessss!!!

[@alexis_253]

Yes please!!

[@larac.8797]

😂😂😂

[@Ivy-up7hx]

My past dance instructor met Abby Lee Miller at a competition years back and she is not a very nice person. She started criticizing other dance teams to the coaches’ faces. Based on how she’s acted towards girls on and off screen, you guys should not have had her on your podcast. Her treatment of dancers and even parents and other instructors is less than stellar.

[@laurenskee2665]

You know reality TV isn't real, right? You don't know this person just because you watched the show. 😂

[@Ivy-up7hx]

I trust my dance instructor who is a wonderful lady over someone who yelled at kids on a show for money and who was jailed.

[@adelealdridge2080]

As parents you would have thought better than to have a child abuser on your podcast im not even american and have heard all about her mis treatment of kids

[@b_sus87]

Mad respect for having Abby on, despite knowing people would be mad about it. I for one enjoy hearing from controversial guests sometimes… what many need to understand is that “problematic” people will out themselves. Sometimes you have to give them the rope, not take it away. Great episode, it was very enlightening

[@GracefullyUnraveled]

Her story about the friend in prison giving her Nike’s because her boots gave her blisters doesn’t make sense. Why would the girl give her shoes if she could easily buy them herself? Abby Lee Miller had friends that were giving her money while she was in prison and her friend that “gave her these shoes” had to work hard for her money. A lot of times sounds like she’s twisting stories or just straight up lying.

[@melamorgan3433]

I have talked to someone in a Michigan prison and their stay is not this posh. They only get to spend $130 every other week on supplies and snacks and they can not get nikes in there. There is an app they go to and can only order what it has on it. The prison she was in must be a more laxed one. I'm not here to judge but I think each State must have its own standards on how theirs is run

[@kashkelly1508]

It’s not like she can just buy them herself. Doesn’t matter how much money you have in prison, you can only spend so much and depends on the prison- you can usually only wear the ones the prison has unless you have something wrong with you that allows you to wear your own shoes and everyone wants those shoes. Everyone wants anything g different than what you can get on commissary.

[@sarahh1434]

Watching Matt support (his wife) Abby during this interview was so sweet. Hand holding, hand on her knee…knowing she has strong opinions but was being professional

[@tiffsjourney877]

There's a lot of "I" when Abbey talks. Lol

[@Natalia_72]

Abby said.. no one ever asks me about myself, let me tell you everything even when y’all didn’t ask

[@beautybybian]

Honestly, this is disgusting. All she do is blame everyone else for her actions. If NO ONE of the kids came to see you at the hospital, maybe you should reconsider what you did. “I guess everyone uses everyone”, seriously Abby? Have you not heard any other interview that’s not JoJo’s? What about Chloe? Making fun of her eye. Or Brooke and Paige, constantly telling them they’re mediocre. What about your racist comments on Nia, Camryn, Kamryn and Adrianna of S8? What about calling the kids fat, washed up and lazy slugs? Listen, I’m truly sorry of what you went through, diseases is a not something you wish to somebody. I’m glad you came to the other side healthy and cancer free, but, like you said, you have learned nothing. They left you because you hurt them. You hurt them so bad that still today, 13 years later, they’re still healing. You only care about yourself, and you know what? That’s ok, but don’t pretend you cared about those kids, because you don’t. If that were the case, maybe they wouldn’t left the ALDC and have no contact with you. And as far as you guys, being parents and have this woman who abused kids and scar them for life on your podcast is disgusting. Being a great teacher is not only having the best technique, but also being the one who is always there for their students.

[@cvera__]

100%

[@bristevens.]

Wow!! This collab gives you such a crazy perspective of how influential youtubers truly are

[@melanievazqu3z]

People are very quick to judge Abby, who is portraying the antagonist in the REALITY TV show (when is this ever real), but what about the moms who subjected their children to this for years? I understand Abby was mean but the moms let it happen, got in constant arguments in front of their kids, and kept resigning the contracts.

[@BrittneyBerkhahn]

exactly! I think most people don't like her because she's "mean," but there's some parents that send their kids to these camps for "bad" children??

[@Home_Again_Aldc]

They signed a contract for the SHOW that was 6 years so they had to keep signing the contracts for her STUDIO

[@Cyaa_lmstan]

I screamed my head off when I saw this 😂

[@Daisyandizzysmomma]

I literally yelled “WHHHAAAAATTTT” when I saw this pop up

[@Jacob619619]

From the LaBrant Fam to Brooklyn and Bailey, and now Abby Lee Miller.

[@ameliab9715]

Interesting choice for a guest. It seems Abby Lee Miller has a very high opinion of herself, while also playing the victim role very well.

[@kayla.h.16]

The way my mouth dropped when I saw Abby. Never expected this one 😆

[@user-vl1lp3ze3z]

This is the first podcast I listened for about 20 minutes and turned it off I couldn’t even get through it and the brutal messages she’s sending children in sports, athletics, dance, art etc And she managed to blame her dying dad, a sheriffs wife, a misplaced bill in the first ten minutes of what lead to her issues and took no accountability This was a tough watch for the first 20 minutes and I can’t waste another second on it

[@TommyStubbs]

Only 13 mins in and have clocked so many lies from Abby lmao (or... at least her side of the story differs YUGELY from the Moms experience lol)

[@donnalwashburn]

She is complaining about everything and taking responsibility for nothing thing. Very annoying.

[@Leila_Love13]

This was the most uncomfortable interview I have watched

[@SereneSoundscapes658]

Bro, no way you got Abby Lee Miller

[@Truechildofgod]

when she started interviewing Matt I lost it 🤣

[@michaela7008]

Did notttt see this guest coming 😂😂

[@user-bl9bh6xq4q]

WHAAAAAAAAAAAAATTTTTTTTTT ABBY LEE MILLER??????? I LOVE THIS

[@karuti11]

you lost me with this one...giving such a person a platform. As parents you should have better judgement.

[@graciereyes1027]

Thank you for this!!❤

[@kathleenclark815]

She was horrible to those kids. Stop.

[@yvonne8786]

I agree

[@charly2542]

Move along then 🥲

[@yvonne8786]

@@charly2542 free speech..don't like it.....Move along from America

[@kathleenclark815]

@@charly2542 Did you watch that show?? I feel sorry for your kids if you think she treated those kids right. And how ironic that your pfp says "be kind" lol

[@charly2542]

@@kathleenclark815 always be kind x

[@mrs.boz1141]

Abby's version of the way the show started is VERY DIFFERENT then the producers/creators/ moms story- and she always complains that she didn't get to pick the music/story of the dances. Such 💩 coming out her mouth 😂

[@pepsi8967]

She plays victim well lol

[@amandamandamands]

Yes even when Abby had a producer on her podcast he was pushing back against her version of how the show started, especially the part about how they didn't dance as a part of the audition process, that they just had a sit down interview. As he said they danced as a part of their audition tape, it seems like to her the whole audition process was the sit down interviews that they did in her studio.

[@Cocomocam]

This was not in my bingo card for 2024

[@Maci989]

This is one of my favorite podcast episodes yet. I love how you guys are interacting with other influencers. It’s so fun seeing Collabs like this.

[@hannahdelleh]

Im just shook over here. This was fun guys. 😂 id love to hear matt and abbys convo after this lots to unpack.

[@user-me9hk9po3g]

Yesssss yall be knowing what yall doing

[@SageRosemary]

Never even heard of thos lady before this episode and after listening to her for a half hour, I'm glad. It's all about poor me.

[@sarahandy9981]

In case you weren't sure how spectacular and fabulous Abby Lee Miller feels she is, she will sit you down and tell you. She doesn't seem to have self esteem issues. Good for her for being her own cheerleader. Sending love from Los Angeles 💜💛

[@user-vu2dm8xp8j]

Um wrong

[@user-th1it2dz7z]

SO EXCITED TO WATCH!!!

[@user-hh4so4hf8g]

Love it that she always blames others for her Mistakes 🙄

[@SIISIIXGOLDYNN]

Yasss for Abby Lee Miller . Part of of this interview I was like “ go off Abby “ Other parts I’m like “ girl whatttt👀 GREAT JOB GUYS🤍✨

[@laurenskee2665]

I've never seen Dance Moms, but the Dance Moms memes are hilarious.

[@synthialovesSLOTHES]

I love the way the podcast is evolving great guest!! I look forward to seeing your podcast episodes every Wednesday! Lysm Matt & Abby!❤❤

[@rajshreechawhan6886]

Vote for addie and Braddy to be in podcast with rustyn of course

[@kayleigh4522]

😂😂😂😂😂 This is wild!!!

[@deborahthatsme]

Very interesting guest, thanks for having her! Love the podcast you both get some really great guests that aren't all about KZbin I love that and would love to see you branch out even more! much love from eastern Canada.

[@harpershoppz]

Also like is no one talking abt how freaking big Abby’s ring is 😂😂

[@kendradoty]

Now you gotta get Jojo Siwa on! She has her number!!! This is crazy the connections!

[@laurenskee2665]

No.

[@BradnickJo-mb2eg]

“Fuuuuun….Sweeeeeet” Abby needs to work on interview responses.

[@LilliSimmons]

This podcast is awesome! So glad everyone I listen in it gets better and better! Thanks Matt and Abby for getting all this awesome people on the podcast!!

[@kiratzizik325]

Abby is such a liar it’s crazy

[@JoyceDye]

Love it , some people love her some hate her. I think it is wonderful to hear about her life from her without someone hating on her.

[@user-eq2oq2vs3u]

Matt & Abby I love this podcast so much. The Muny, Mark Krupinski, St Louis! I know and love them all! I loved the Muny days!

[@ashleymarie6585]

Abby lee CANNOT take credit for Jojo… that girl was a fire cracker before she even knew what dance moms was She would of made it either way

[@user-qt2mb2iy3b]

I love Abby, she’s so intimidating and sweet at the same time, she’s one of those people who you would be horrified of but love at the same time!!!🫶🫶

[@chrissy7242]

What happens when the people you think would show up don't is you learn that a small circle is way better than a big one. Because then you know really who your true friends are and who will always have your back.

[@madisonabramo1503]

Omggg I am living for this guest !!

[@brittneyikeda2344]

Y’all get the craziest guests. I’m blown away everytime!

[@brutalchelsea]

This is a really good intro!

[@paytondavis0702]

I am sat for this!

[@paigez7680]

I’m happy she shed some light on her experience with going through the airport as a disabled person. This isnt talked about enough.

[@AshleighBee]

Gosh I am such a theatre kid because I am freaking out with all the shows Abby mentions and the Muny mentioned such a great podcast

[@lorikennedy1127]

I cant stand Abbey. She was so mean. Looks like karma is cruel.

[@itstheallierose]

As an interior designer, the way no one really complies with the ADA is insane to me!!

[@TheSwillis17]

The way I GASPED when I saw that y’all had THE Abby Lee Miller on!!🤯👏🏻

[@BrittneyBerkhahn]

abby looks so scared of abby lmao

[@carolynturk-hu7je]

Not my cup of tea! Are you going to have the former dancers on for equal time?! If you do not....??

[@b_sus87]

Ummm they were just given an entire reunion. Are you mad at that network for not giving ALM equal time? She hardly even talked about the girls in this interview, mostly about herself.

[@carolynturk-hu7je]

@@b_sus87 Just talking about this Podcast. It's nice when they have the equal time especially when Abby was talking about the former students. I do not have cable, so could care less about the network that had the reunion. Heard about it on Entertainment Tonight actually. I am not mad at all. Just wanted to put out there for their Podcast the equal time thing, that would be big for them now wouldn't it! Even though there was the reunion thing. It wasn't on their Podcast and what if just a couple of the ladies come, I think people would tune in, don't you?