Suzuki DRZ400 v DR650: which would suit you better?︱Cross Training Adventure

crosstrainingenduro.com tractionerag.com Our comparison of the Suzuki DR650 v DRZ400 review! Over the years I've had many people ask whether the Suzuki DRZ400 or the DR650 would suit them better. So finally here is a comparison to help you decide. The reason these bikes are so popular is there are very few of these 400 to 650cc bikes around anymore in this class. What many of us called trail bikes in the old days. In many countries the Suzuki DRZ400 has at least two varieties. The DRZ400S model is your typical dual sport bike. It has 50/50 tyres, soft suspension, a quiet exhaust, road oriented gearing, and a gentle power delivery. The E model is definitely not a true dirt bike when you read Suzuki DRZ400 reviews. But it's heading in that direction with firmer suspension, knobby tyres, slightly lighter weight an about 10% more power. They are bulletproof, low maintenance, and cheap. You can go trail riding. Planning on some adventure rides or lots of paved roads? Wanting plenty of grunt for highway miles? The DR650 will probably suit your purposes better. Or you can ride across the country on them with a few mods. So lets see how they compare (read other Suzuki DR650 reviews too). On a spectrum between dirt bikes and adventure bikes, you can see there is plenty of overlap with all three models. This means it is hard to make a mistake. You can do easy trails on any of them. Or you can set any of them up as a light weight adventure bike and tour the world. What are some key differences between the DR650 and its baby brothers? Grunt. While the DR and Suzuki DRZ400 have similar maximum horsepower figures. And it shows in a drag race, our DRZ400 and DR650 are always neck and neck. But there is far more low and mid range power from the 650 of course. If you will be hitting trails regularly and want the lightest weight and reasonable power, the DRZ400E will suit best. And of course the S model slots in between these nicely, and it's gentle power delivery could suit inexperienced riders too. And it's revving way way less at highway speeds. Weight. The DRZ400 is around 21 kg lighter when both bikes are fully fueled. Or 47 pounds for you yanks. This makes a big difference for trail riding. But of course the weight of the DR650 makes it feel very planted on the road. Seat height. The DR650 has a substantially lower seat height. And it also has a option on the rear linkage to go even lower. This often makes the DR650 a better option for short riders. Suspension? Neither bike has great suspension, but the DRZ400 is definitely better in stock form with proper cartridge forks. The DR650 is okay for cruising around, but heavy and/or aggressive riders will rapidly want at least some Plex valves for those old fashioned rod forks. The Suzuki DR650? Some niggling issues have been fixed such as NSU bolts without loctite and the countershaft seal potentially popping out, what is left now? There is a dicky little fuel filter that is so small it can clog quickly, most owners fit a larger one. There is a weird upper chain roller that most owners remove, claiming it can snap off and leave hole in the frame. Never happened to any of my DR650s but why not take it off. The Suzuki DRZ400? Stators tend to burn out at around 20000km. The regulator or rectifier needs to be upgraded to avoid the stator overheating. Have you owned either bike? Keen to hear your thoughts, the good the bad and the ugly. Please leave your comments as these can help others to in making a decision. And of course you can listen to opinions all day, but often a test ride is what will decided things for you. Good luck! The fasteners for the stator, starter gear and primary gear can loosen over time. Get in there with the loctite. Same for the countershaft sprocket bolt. Years ago occasionally DRZ owners would have leaks from the water pump but have not heard of any recent reports. And that's about it. Okay lets look at known issues. Did we mention these bikes are old school? The DR650 has barely changed since 1996. Ditto for the DRZ 400since it was introduced in 2000. Both are incredibly reliable, but like all bikes there are a few known issues than can pop up over time. And that's about it. Of course there many mods for the crappy seats and the highly restricted engines on both bikes, see our known issues and mods videos for the Suzuki DR650 and DRZ400. These are the next step in working out which bike will suit you best.
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[@seanstrickland4970]

I've learned something in the quest to find the perfect motorcycle over my life.. There isn't such a thing and you should just own three bikes lol!!!

[@crosstrainingadventure]

Yep, it's like that old mathematical equation... the ideal number of bikes is 'n+1' where 'n' is your current number of bikes. 😁

[@Black70Fastback]

and bikes are so cheap compared to cars, so why not?

[@crosstrainingadventure]

Preaching to the choir 😍

[@justinbarker3905]

I already have three bikes ,two cars and a boat! Just sold my 4wd. It's an illness. Somebody please stop me!!! Ps. Love my Dr650.

[@Black70Fastback]

@@justinbarker3905 I...I...dont understand. Are you looking for a donation to buy the 400E?

[@paweltarnowski9367]

I've had 3 DR 650's over the past 15 years. One of them I rode from Montreal,CAN to Ushuaia, ARG with zero problems. I'm still amazed at the versatility of this motorcycle, how rugged it is and how easy it is to service. With a better seat, a larger gas tank and a few tweaks to the suspension, it's the ideal do it all motorcycle.

[@crosstrainingadventure]

They are good fun if you like the old school! I always get a few guys who say 'the DR is just old fashioned junk!' and they try to convince me to buy a KTM 690, AJP PR7 or SWM Superdual. Each to their own. 😊

[@p-hoes4876]

Wow what i ride. Id like to know more about your trip

[@Estebanmdp100]

How did arg treat u brother, u speak spanish?

[@michaelzpalmer]

I've owned both the DRZ400S and currently own a DR650. I prefer the 650. They're both good bikes but I spend more time on the street or fire roads than gnarly trails as I mostly ride solo and the DR just suits that better. I also appreciate the simplicity of the DR as a simpleton myself. Can't go wrong with any of them, but it's the Bush Pig for me. Great video as usual, thanks!

[@crosstrainingadventure]

Very occasionally I come across guys who say either bike wasn't really their thing, Mike... and eventually they went for something more powerful and that's completely understandable. But it's far outweighed by fans of these prehistoric bush pigs. 😍

[@jrdepew]

Got the 650 after following your mods videos and have ridden complete Trans America Trail plus Western USA trails for 8,000 plus miles. Puts a smile on my face when I see it sitting waiting for the next ride. JD ADV channel.

[@mikehickman3635]

I'm in next time! Get at me, I wanna hit continental divide trail too I hear its epic.

[@wcsdiaries]

Is it pretty low maintenance?

[@andrewevans7184]

I bought my first bike a DR 650 because of this channel. It's been a great choice for me.

[@crosstrainingadventure]

Done much in the way of mods, Andrew? I left my latest one stock for quite a while and it was still enjoyable (except for the suspension on rough ground).

[@seanstrickland4970]

Same here...

[@williamdickson9908]

OK, I have to admit this channel helped me decide on the Mighty DR650 also. Haha! I figured that if it was "Aussie Approved" it had to be a great bike. Cheers!

[@crosstrainingadventure]

You trusted an Aussie? Don't you know we are all descendants of convicts? 😂

[@smashedgyro]

Same as well. Having owned a heavily modified/unrestricted DR650 and a now a more or less stock DRZ400sm, I sometimes miss the grunt of the 650.

[@connorwmiddleton]

Owned many bikes over the years, have a modded DR650 at the moment, been awesome for lighter adv setups, absolutely capable on trails, even single track, just a little heavier, close mate has the DRZ, we trade occasionally, honestly not the most drastic difference. One is heavier and better on road and taking ADV weight, the other is lighter and more nimble on trails.

[@wcsdiaries]

What mods did you add to your bike? Also what year is your bike?

[@huguesfrederic]

Love my DR650 put a smile on my face every time I ride it.

[@jaikeet5410]

iv owned a DRZ400e for a few years now and love it great little bike

[@royjmcc7]

I've had 2 DR's and 3- DRZ's, i now have one of each, love them both and each has it's use in my life, i'll probably always have them. Thank you Barry for having such a great channel! Cheers!

[@crosstrainingadventure]

Funny how many of us have had multiple bikes in the same model range, RJ!

[@Pays2Win]

By far the best channel on the tube. Cheers from the USA!

[@crosstrainingadventure]

Thanks 👍

[@whatscoldoing5627]

A good review Barry. I am still enjoying the perfection of your old DR. Well set up and still running well and the handling... wow!

[@crosstrainingadventure]

Those basic mods make a huge difference!

[@rodbornen7390]

I have done a trip from Bathurst to Townsville and return on a drz400. I set this bike up for travel, it was ok but not so much on long highway stretches. I now have a dr650 now and think it is better for me. This bike has upgraded seat and ffrc suspension. As well as what I can afford in other upgrades. Most of my info has come from you. Thank you very much. I’ll finish soon and travel again. I’m from the bush so this my thing. All the best

[@crosstrainingadventure]

Ditto Rod, I did one long road trip on a DRZ400 and I wouldn't want to do it again.

[@fishbone7449]

From Brazil, my Drz400E 2009 surprises me every single day.

[@Shereefe]

Both are awesome machines Wouldn’t hesitate to have either of them anytime and use around the around the world in a minute.

[@ronanrogers4127]

Bought a DRZ400E with genuine 1800km on the clock for A$1800, fitted the stroker crankshaft (which significantly increased torque), a big bore kit with J&E forged piston, Barrett muffler, ACT wide ratio gear cluster so 5th is essentially 6th (120 km/h at 5100 rpm), and revalved the forks and shock plus fitted Eibach springs. With the 28L Safari tank it’s now a very good adventure bike that hauls my camping gear, and still very good on trails when I’m in the mountains.

[@crosstrainingadventure]

A real shame Suzuki doesn't just put that spread of gear ratios in from the start, hey Ronan? I figure it would essentially cost them nothing if the cogs already exist...

[@ronanrogers4127]

@@crosstrainingadventure Agreed. The gear cluster was reasonably priced, A$930 for gears 2-5, with first remaining stock (which is great for the technical stuff). I did the install myself when I installed the crank and big barrel. A little tricky for a non-pro, but doable. My only dislike with the DRZ is that many of the standard fasteners and the magnesium cases are a bit cheesy - with my other bikes you get a good feel for tightness once the bolt is in contact with the cases, but with the DRZ there’s a mushy feel, and it’s easy to strip a thread. My 1/4” torque wrench helps with the light stuff, most of which is only 5.5 Nm for standard bolts, up to 10 Nm for the higher grade steel 6mm bolts. I guess you get what you pay for...some corners cut on quality, but it would have saved them peanuts

[@crosstrainingadventure]

Ouch. That does sound expensive for the gears, Ronan. I guess they have to be custom made in that case? A shame, I bet the stock ones only cost Suzuki a few dollars each when ordered in the thousands each year.

[@ronanrogers4127]

@@crosstrainingadventure ...they’re actually only $250 more than if you bought new OEM gears (2,3,4 &5) from a Suzuki dealer (not that one would). I bought the cheapest of the two after market gear clusters. They’re low volume production made in the US by a transmission specialist, but sold in Australia by several distributors. The other set is made in the UK, and costs around $2500. They weren’t even considered. www.mickhone.com.au/partFinder/fiche/suzuki/2003/dr-z400e/transmission#next adventurebikeaustralia.com.au/product/act-drz400-wide-ratio-gear-set/ looks like they’ve increased in price in the last 18 months

[@ShannonHartnett-117]

Got a DRZ-400E and its had everything done to it and is a weapon the 15/44 gearing i have on it currently is good for all round stuff is still very capable offroad if you want to ride it on road or highways more so then the dirt just use a 15/39 sprockets and a spare chain it's a cheap alternative and you get the best of both worlds the dr650 and drz 400 have to offer.

[@whiteunicornDR659]

I sold my DR for a DRZ400E, which I’ve added a 28L tank and suspension to. It makes for a better off-road capable tourer which is what I’m after

[@catalinabob2descanso]

New 2020 DRZ400S owner. Great Bike! I stepped down from a F700GS and the smaller/lighter DRZ is so much more fun in the dirt. Plenty of power and speed for the road, but I do avoid freeways. The 3x3 mod, Yoshi full exhaust, and JD jet kit made a bid difference in opening up the throttle response - so It's as must in my book.

[@benb2058]

Love youre videos man always look forward to them when I get a minute to catch up ! Cheers, happy new year...ps love my drzr400 your videos always inspire me to get out there, thank you!!!

[@crosstrainingadventure]

All the best for 2021, Ben!

[@the.malinski]

Watching this up in Canada with negative 20 out while sitting next to my dr650 in my living room. Great video, thank you sir!

[@crosstrainingadventure]

Brrrr... I have friends in Kamloops and they are getting good falls already.

[@Airea613]

I get that ..... here in Ontario with a Africa twin freezing in the garage.

[@alphawolf2993]

@@crosstrainingadventure greetings from interior BC. I'm riding a 1990 dr 650 and looking at getting a slightly newer one!

[@unclebilly1353]

Sorry drz400 from the north. I gave you thumbs down. On just the fact you can't ride! Hope you have an early spring. I moved from the north to southern New Mexico . Great riding all year long. Its worth being poor. Come on down.

[@rjthomasindyusa]

Every time I see a DR650.... all I can think of is your video of the piston being forged. I'm still laughing almost a year later. Thanks for the laughs... lol

[@crosstrainingadventure]

I live in fear of that massive piston punching through the top end and fuel tank, igniting a huge fireball during a top gear wheelie. Actually... that's not a bad way to go. 😍

[@MothershipVideos]

You guys are incredible. Had a DR650 which I used mainly on the road. Did heaps of mods and loved it...unfortunately the wife didn't so had to buy a Bonneville.

[@jamesbh101]

My wife bought me my used DR650 for Christmas. Maybe you need a new wife. 😬

[@ericcournoyer1595]

I started riding after a 35 year long break... bought a cb500x,,, nightmarish in dirt.... traded in for a dr650. Couldnt be happier.

[@crosstrainingadventure]

Good move, Eric! I actually tried a CB500X myself last year but sold it within a few months. It felt downright dangerous on dirt roads and I was back to the DR650 in a flash.

[@johnballentine282]

I bought a new DR650 due to this channel. I love it so far!

[@crosstrainingadventure]

Great to hear, John... any mods planned?

[@johnballentine282]

@@crosstrainingadventure so far just a rack and ordered a skidplate. Not sure about anything else yet.

[@bywaysgreenlanes6672]

Love my DRZ400E. Very good for off road use. Easy maintenance and not expensive

[@chrislongstaff1863]

I have a KLX400R 2005 . Same bike but green. Flat slide carb, opened up airbox and a high flow filter, usual alloy guards fitted. I'm 60 now , suspension if fine for the pace I ride these days. Solid and reliable.

[@crosstrainingadventure]

Lean mean and green!

[@TrustyZ900]

I commend you for your loyalty to the big DR. You're surrounded by every new dirtbike there is, yet you still praise this bike. I started riding a '75 RL 250 Exacta in local Trials events, but then my father died on a CB 750 four and it put a damper on my bike life.Fast forward to 2017. I went in to the closest dealer and bought a new DR 650 and a new Dl 650. I've ridden the Dr all over the western US in every condition possible and has never let me down.It will follow me into the next life. Both are a blast and dependable as sledgehammers.Thanks for your superb videos.

[@crosstrainingadventure]

I was seriously considering the SWM Superdual but I didn't like the extra weight, Frank. All these mid sized bikes (except the DR) just seem to keep getting heavier! Plus I don't like all the electronics coming out on many new bikes... I prefer to go old school if possible. I remember the old RL250! A pity it's very rare to see them nowadays, whereas the Yamaha TY can often be spotted at trials events.

[@KN-lq4zv]

After watching way too many of these clips by you I have finally succumbed and picked up a DR 650 yesterday. Somehow it feels like high praise for the content you provide after years and years of working and managing motorcycle dealerships including Ktm’s and bergs, I’ve now somehow ended up here with a DR in my collection. And this DR is so old school, it should actually come standard with sideburns and a monocle, but yet I look forward to a long list of mods.

[@crosstrainingadventure]

Actually it is normal for DR riders to wear a monocle and begin growing sideburns... I hope you don't disappoint us lol. They aren't everyone's cup of tea, but if you like working through the mods the old beasts really become something quite special. I'd say at least 95% agree, but those who really wanted massive power will end up on KTM 690s or similar bikes. 😁

[@KN-lq4zv]

@@crosstrainingadventure haha I have had most big bore Ktm models since 1996 through to 08, including some of the odd stuff like the 540sxc 520sx, and 620sx, but I was a little disappointed with the 690, perhaps it was the ergo’s. Felt like it missed the mark for an adventure bike. The DR I picked up is an as new 2011 with 11000k’s on it, completely stock with almost no makes, has a staintune on it (loud) no jetting or derestriction. I’m picking up a TM42 and all of the other precautionary measures you mention. not sure what I will do with the suspension though just yet. Should be fun.

[@crosstrainingadventure]

I'm sure you'll love the bush pig. I couldn't come to grips with the KTM 690 and sold it after a few months. Many feel the same way. It's got a lot of 690 owners upset but I did a video about this a few years back. kzbin.info/www/bejne/sJCwlaCng7amotk

[@dirtbikesicehockey4788]

I still snicker every time I see the Suzi fly through the air

[@crosstrainingadventure]

And the earthquake when the DR lands.... oof.

[@Kaegis]

Plenty of chin connections with the handle bars on landing

[@RoamingTerry]

They are a great therapeutic motorbike. Had my dr650 for a year now always puts a smile on my face. Done all the mods to it and will never get rid of it. Thanks for all your vids as well. Cheers.

[@crosstrainingadventure]

Yes, and the smile just gets bigger as you do the basic mods on the bush pig. 😁

[@MountainHomeWoody]

Love my DRZ400S. Seat concepts low comfort seat and a host of other mods have made it quite a fun off-road bike. Here in the PNW of the states it’s just the ticket.

[@MountainHomeWoody]

@David Squibular Pacific North West

[@gtptvanbuuren3795]

Thank you for the videos you present. I've had fun watching them on many occasions. TA.... On my second DR650SE now and had no major trouble with either. Number one I had to replace cam chain tensioner gasket, tensioner was OK just the gasket. That was it. I don't ride hard anymore, I'm no biggy on dirt, and mainly ride gravel roads and about 80% bitumen. Toured on both with a piece of closed cell foam on the seat. Have done Canberra to Adelaide 1200km in one go regularly. Not bragging just showing that these bike are trust worthy. Mine is lowered for road use (Adelaide Hills). I lowered the rear by factory specs and dropped the forks 20mm through the triple clamps, and run fully synthetic auto transmission fluid in the forks to the factory amount. I like they way they feel but I am no expert rider and I don't speed...a lot. I have at one time, opened both bikes 3x3 etc, I didn't cut the airbox but sprag the door open with the opening facing rearward and use aluminium tube spacers and longer bolts. But I ride the current one in standard form and enjoy the peace. 42 tooth rear though. Carries top gear with gear and a head wind better (Hay Plains). Covered 140,000 km. spread over both bikes over 14 years. Covid's slowed touring where I like to go. I'm retired now and go for rides during the week when the roads and gravel roads are a smidge quieter and find myself smiling. It's good to be quiet. These bikes each have their own character (talking for the 650) as the two I've owned did take different tuning and did 'feel' different to run. Maybe it was the colour difference. I run standard tyres at the moment. I would get another DR650SE. Thanks for your time. Ride Healthy. Tim.

[@crosstrainingadventure]

1200km in one day, Tim? I assume you had an aftermarket seat lol. Yes they are awesome bikes if you don't need ridiculous amount of horsepower and enjoy the old school nature of the bush pig!

[@gtptvanbuuren3795]

@@crosstrainingadventure Just a piece of $10 yoga mat for a pad. Yeah enough power for what I do. Thanks. Tim.

[@KestrelYI]

Great overview! I thought about replacing my plated late model dirt DR350 with either a DRZ400 or DR650 for general purpose dual sporting, but came to the conclusion that there wasn't much of a point to swapping as the overall riding experience wasn't really going to change. So, I've been busy rebuilding the DR350 this winter and plan to keep it around as a general purpose dual sport for many more years. Makes more sense to just add a proper dirtbike to the garage to scratch that itch.

[@crosstrainingadventure]

No school like the old school, Kestrel! If I was good at mechanical stuff I'd much rather have a shed of old bikes like the DRZ and DR650 than buy new bikes.

[@ericsacco7406]

I have a 93 Dr350S kicker and LOVE IT... I have the dirt pump carb and I welded/braced the swing arm much better handling.

[@danmanthe9335]

Necessity is the mother of learning how to work on your stuff. Or something

[@MidCoastAdventures]

Gotta love the DR650. So happy with mine, taken me to some amazing places 😎👍

[@crosstrainingadventure]

Same here! It's good there's a fair bit of overlap between the bikes though, I was tempted by the DRZ and probably would have enjoyed that almost as much... but the DR hits the spot!

[@humdinger5701]

I love my DR650, or more accurately DR790. I also live 15 min away from Procycle which is in the Pacific Northwest. Life is good .

[@crosstrainingadventure]

I still haven't ridden a 790, can't wait. I'm almost wishing my bike would seize just for an excuse to do it lol.

[@humdinger5701]

@@crosstrainingadventure You don't need for it to seize. I had a leaking gasket. While a friend and I were inspecting the aforementioned leaky gasket said friend commented, " Well your gasket is leaking that means you need to put a big bore kit on it now". He was right, I wish I did it sooner. No more leaky gasket.

[@tatmandu1722]

I miss very much my DR650. Yellow 2001 with almost all the mods. One of my favorite bikes!

[@crosstrainingadventure]

I love seeing older Suzukis in the traditional yellow.

[@jamesb1412]

Always enjoy the vids, thanks! Would have been great if you mentioned the difference in servicing and service intervals between the two/three bikes.

[@crosstrainingadventure]

I know James, there were so many other things to mention but the reality is most viewers have short attention spans and tune out after four minutes.

[@brandonlewis2916]

I've got the DRZ400s here in the US, I love it. You can do pretty much anything you want with it, but nothing super well, unless you want it to last for ever.. it does that pretty well. I would agree with the video though, you just need to go out and ride them both, and then decide what you want to do with it. They are both great and totally capable! Thanks for the video!!

[@crosstrainingadventure]

It would be interesting to see how many guys choose the DRZ when they are wrestling with this decision, Brandon. It seems to be a 50/50 split judging by the comments. Glad it's worked out for you!

[@brandonlewis2916]

@@crosstrainingadventure Yes it will, I wrestled with it for a while then I rode both. The main reason I went with it was because of your words regarding the dr650 "please don't let the mighty weight crush our bones" keep the good content coming!

[@BeerForKids]

Still love my DRZ400E after having owned 3 now and a SM. Also own a DR250R that i bought after missing my old one. Minus the carb being fiddly at times and pain if you have issues they are all fantastic bikes and fantastic to have learnt on.

[@crosstrainingadventure]

Good all rounders for sure! It's strange how it's so popular (at least in Australia) but has no competition in its class for dual sport on a budget.

[@BeerForKids]

@@crosstrainingadventure You're right seems like it has no actualy direct competition. Yes its not a master like say a dedicated enduro bike is for that sort of work but it does so much and you go ride dirt and then like myself go home put on your supermoto wheels and ride to work most of the weeks. No wonder it still such a top seller.

[@770hevron]

Great video,helps me a lot,as i look for a second bike to go offroad...Thought about crf300l...the 400 seems incredible too!

[@bazphoon1]

had the 400s 10 years love it

[@brandtagone8487]

My choice was the dr650 and at first stock form was good enough. I began enjoying more difficult tracks looking for the more elusive single. About this time I took your advice and fully cogentified my suspension, did the 3x3 and tailored the rest of the bike to suit my needs. Living in the Pacific Northwest part of the USA I have an abundance of all sorts of tracks my favorite being the mountain climbs up to the tops of ridges often over 6000 feet and sometimes over 7000. The only issue is these rides are 60 to 150 miles away making the DR650 the perfect choice. A decent rider with a well set up DR can ride quite a bit and I have had mine up some pretty decent trails. Problem with the DR is I cant ride too many black or double black trails on it. I can on my DRZ though. That is my drz400s model as it will and has traveled the 60-150 miles to get to the trail just not as comfortably. Now the problem with the drz400s is now i'm a broken down old man (not really too broken or too old but old and broken enough) to want a better, lighter, and perfect mountain trail bike so I bought the xtrainer. Now to which to buy. If ya gotta trailbike get the DR, if you don't get the DRZ if you love trails. My DRZ is now slated to be the truck out bike to the woods when it is too cold to ride the DR out. Xtrainer is worth trucking. My Dr is ridden most of the time as it will take me anywhere most of the time. Its biggest drawback being its rider. Rock On thanks OZMann!

[@crosstrainingadventure]

The DR650 is a beast when it comes to hills, I've done some snotty ones and occasionally and as long as you can stay upright it just chugs and finds traction!

[@brandtagone8487]

@@crosstrainingadventure definitely has shown some hills in this neck of the woods who's boss!

[@cropduster9571]

Started on a DRZ400sm with 3x3 mod and jetting, upped to GSXS750. DRZ was friendlier to get around car parks, etc.

[@davidhyde2267]

Was out on green lanes playing in the mud in the south of the UK today on my Drz400e, I love it! Easy, dependable...long motorway miles you'd want another gear but that's for a different bike!

[@crosstrainingadventure]

Good to hear they are available in the UK, I don't think they've been sold in Europe for years, have they? 😢

[@davidhyde2267]

@@crosstrainingadventure not sure when they stopped selling new bikes but the second hand market is strong, although the e model seems a bit of a rarity nowadays, not letting my old girl go in a hurry, 02 and still runs sweet as.

[@RKmndo]

I liked my used DR650 so much that I bought a new one to have a buddy bike. Procycle stripped a bored/stroked DR down to around 320lb curb, which is similar to a stock DR-Z400S. With upgraded fully-adjustable suspension, a 320lb curb DR with a performance cam and piston would be my choice over a DR-Z. The big DR is just loafing along at 70MPH on the slab with 15/41 sprockets. I tour 2up with luggage on mine, and still ride it on rutty, rooty, sandy, muddy singletrack. The bike is ridiculously versatile. ABS and EFI might be welcome updates or options for some people though.

[@crosstrainingadventure]

In our DR650 series I was keen to see how much weight I could strip off the bike, but can't remember now. It's surprising how much you can trim down just by taking certain things off.

[@raystillwell4150]

Love my drz s does great in the pa rock single track swap wheels and it’s ready to throw down on some twistys

[@212driller]

Love my DR650 for it's simplicity, and can do all attitude. If I didn't do many hwy kms I would definitely have a drz400.

[@TommyNitro]

Good video. I have wondered about these two for a while.

[@Seawithinyou]

When I first test rode my 2017 DR650, I knew it was the Perfect Adventure bike for Me! So Love especially it’s custom Low seat and it’s well balanced Handling at slow speeds 💃💖

[@crosstrainingadventure]

I hope it helps, Tommy. I've had so many questions about both and this seemed to be a good way to sum up the differences. Hopefully it would make a decision easier...

[@crosstrainingadventure]

Did you lower it any further using that second linkage position, Tracy?

[@TommyNitro]

@@crosstrainingadventure I"m leaning toward the 650 as a light adv bike. I already own an fe350s, so my trail oriented bike is taken care of. Thanks again for a great vid.

[@gasengineguy]

The mighty DR650 rules. Mines been great,

[@crosstrainingadventure]

I've had three DRZ and four DR models now over 20 years. They won't be everyone's cup of tea, but if you like old school reliability and heaps of aftermarket gear to turn it into whatever you want? Perfect.

[@nnglnd]

I would be happy to have any of them

[@deadshote0973]

i have a dr-z 400 for about 10+ years after firing it up it didn't idle but giving it a new air filter and cleaning the carbe fixed that problem it has done over 1000 miles and still can pop a wheel with ease

[@phillbridgeman3731]

Both are great and I have had plenty and them both as well, I would say that what has been said is right on the money, 650 for more road , and drze for bush..

[@thomasdickey9852]

I bought my dr650 new in 03. Love the bike. I ride in almost totally on road so I know it was the better choice 18 yrs ago.

[@112388chris]

I've owned both of em and I gatta give it to my drz400 sm,moded of course.

[@RangerRyke]

Yes thank you!

[@crosstrainingadventure]

My pleasure, Alex. Love these bikes, I've had three DRZ400s now and four DR650s. 😍

[@ckenealy8]

Just finished 4400 kms on the DR650 covering much of the South Island Of New Zealand, 2000 or so off-road 600 kms of gnarly off-road, bike was great in all conditions. A little heavy when you get stuck going up a really steep hill with ruts everywhere but apart from that she is great. Had a drz400e x2 and while great a prefer the dr650. purchased for $8200 brand new and added about 2k worth of mods

[@crosstrainingadventure]

Sounds like a good trip, Cameron! I heard there is little public land for dirt riding but I assume there are heaps of rough dirt roads from what you say. It will have to go on the bucket list!

[@georgephilbrick3609]

Thanks for the video

[@FlatBrokeAdventures]

I'm currently looking at buying either a DRZ400 or DR650. Loved this video it has some great points. I'm 169 cm (5ft 6ish) and 100 - 105kg. I'm looking at riding some fire trails without riding anything wild as I'm a newby in off road riding. I can't decide what I really want as there are great points for owning both. I have at least a 30min ride to get to any trails.

[@Em6726]

Try to ride one that has the lowered foot pegs. I rode one w the stock foot pegs and it felt a bit cramped. The opposite of a drz400.

[@pwheeler1972]

I had a DRZ400S - did exhaust, air box mod and JD jetting and a bunch of other mods. It was a nice bike but grossly underpowered and needed a sixth gear for the highway. It was struggle just to get the front up and over obstacles so I had to gear it lower and then it screamed on the highway. I ended selling it and getting a cruiser for road and a KX500 for offroad.

[@crosstrainingadventure]

It's similar to the DR650 in that a major update would work wonders for the bike, Phil. I'd love to see the DRZ400 with a sixth gear, suspension off the RMX model, and bored/stroked to a 500...

[@johnpye134]

I bought a Dr650 Tanami and love it! Really enjoyed the series on the bush pig on your site. If anyone buys either one between Vince Strang and Adventure Bike Australia you can build them any way you want to suit your application. You can't go wrong with either one but I wanted a tourer more than a more enduro orientated machine that's why I chose the 650

[@crosstrainingadventure]

The range of aftermarket parts is incredible, hey John? I really went to town on the last DR for that video series, but this time I'm trying to keep it a bit lower key and not add too much weight to the bike with accessories.

[@jonathanrohrlach6217]

I have a 2008 Dr650se, bought 2+1/2 years ago, stock. Now has approx. 24,000+km on the clock (I've done 10,000, 3/4 km with my pillion,) cruising around SA's Fleurieu peninsula mostly... Like it lots.. ( a few mods would be great - seat & exhaust especially, but can't really afford it..) I enjoy the grunt, but I'm no trickster, just happy to stay upright (have Parkinsons - so this is still good for the brain, co-ordination, balance etc- on better days) and enjoy the views and fresh air! All the best to anyone who rides a m'bike! God bless, take care & Happy New Year 2021¡¡

[@crosstrainingadventure]

All the best for 2021, Jonathan! I figure you'd be making the most of riding while you can? There's still no cure for Parkinsons is there? 🤔

[@jonathanrohrlach6217]

No cure for Parkinsons, but like many diseases / ailments, there's tablets and other approaches which reduce severity of symptoms to assist with daily life.. We're told to keep active in mind & body, challenging ourselves, not give in to almost certain decline in mobility, energy, stamina, stability, speech & cognitive impacts, tremmoring and a number of other possible symptoms, thru nerve based decline. The longer we keep trying to do "normal " things the better.. I'm mid-fifties, so yes, figure I'll ride as long as I can.. When my judgement and /or reactions / co-ordinations are too bad, I'll stop!! My pillion will be sad as she loves cruising on it to!! Thank you for your knowledge filled, entertaining videos! Ridesafe everyone... :))

[@DonHavjuan]

DR: Adventure bike DRZ: Day tripper bike

[@diylife1688]

Thanks legend . helping make the decision easier for the dr650 from my cb125e ahaha.

[@mickhodges7910]

I have 2 drz 400 and they have never stoped or had a mechanical issue only servicing and are fun with mortard set up

[@deeemac]

Very helpful, thank you !

[@crosstrainingadventure]

Cheers, Don. It can be a tough decision and I'm really hoping this clarifies things for at least some riders.

[@MadDog-65]

Just traded my 2015 DR650 for a brand new DRz400e first thoughts are wow my DR was like a couch compared to the DRz To ride. But definitely suits my style of riding better. I would take my stock 650 up to tatong no dramas so I’m definitely keen to get this up their once ran in and the high country once it opens up. The DRz stock muffler after some slight modification is loud won’t be hiding from anyone. Cheers for the vid based my decision to trade the 650 after watching it a few months back.

[@crosstrainingadventure]

Glad you enjoyed the switch, Josh. Sometimes I'm still tempted to get a DRZ for the lighter weight, but I'd miss the 650's grunt too much.

[@doronmargalit]

Love my drz 400, it's my first adventure bike

[@chucksnothereman]

I’ve had both, they are both great bikes and this is a great summary. Because of their aged design they are not great at anything but reliability and both will leave you with some disappointments. The trick is to work out which you will be least disappointed with and I think that depends wether you spend more time on dirt, DRZ or the road, DR. Neither is a do it all and seems to me the DRZ is in no mans land. I used to ride an hour or so to and from the trails and would be shattered on the DRZ, which is why many people have a DR, a light weight dirt bike and a trailer.

[@crosstrainingadventure]

That sums it up well, Grant. And I think the real key is that reliability if you don't need to be riding the latest and greatest. I certainly don't, I love old school bikes.

[@ramboexcess4469]

Exactly what iv got - motocross bike / DRZ and trailer

[@JC-gj1gg]

I owned a Drz400s for a short period and loved cruising around the mountains where I live. I’m 5’9” 225# so the seat height was a bit high for off-road for me but was also too soft for travel with luggage. I didn’t mind upgrading the suspension but screaming the rpm’s on the highway was not enjoyable. I think I’m giving the 650 a try next. I like single track but not talented enough to get crazy. I want to plan some adv trips but can’t go on a bunch because 3 kids and a restaurant doesn’t allow right now. Thinking the low cost and reliable maintenance will fit my style perfect

[@crosstrainingadventure]

I enjoy both bikes but I'd love to see Suzuki come up with something in between as well...keep the existing weight of the DRZ but bore and stroke the engine to around a 550. They would have the budget dual sport market covered nicely!

[@DannyB-cs9vx]

I have the DR650s. I had a DRZ400 at one time. Even lowered a bit it was too tall for me. I also have an older Yamaha XT225. I thought about buying a newer 300cc class bike, but they almost weigh as much as the DR650.

[@pleasedontwatchthese9593]

This video was really helpful ty

[@crosstrainingadventure]

Our pleasure 😎

[@SteelHorseman]

Great video

[@crosstrainingadventure]

Thanks!

[@djnord5570]

I bought a DRZ400SM with RMZ suspension and wheels. Of course the 3x3 and exhaust were done. The head needed to be rebuilt, so I added a 440 cylinder, swapped for "model E" cams, added a keihin fcr39 carb, a kick start and an ACT gear set. With a seat concepts seat, luggage racks and led lighting, the bike is amazing. For offroad adventure riding, the ACT gears are the best thing I've done.... All that, and I still fantasize about the DR650.🤔

[@crosstrainingadventure]

Must be a good ride with the RMZ suspension, DJ. Many of us have wondered why Suzuki didn't introduce a sports model based on roughly what you've described.

[@djnord5570]

@@crosstrainingadventure The ride IS great, on and off-road. For anyone considering, imo the "horsepower" mods are not really worth the cost, but the suspension and gearing definitely are. Unfortunately you have to split the cases for a gear change.

[@realpremier]

have the same setup, except the rmz suspension!

[@Crazycarlos]

I ride a DRZ. I think its the best '"All round"" bike for me. Low maintenance top end, great fuel economy and real easy to get parts for, new and used. I love how I can go trail riding for 3-4 hours and only use 4lt of fuel. It reminds me of riding the good old XR400

[@crosstrainingadventure]

You have to wonder what Honda was thinking... when they stopped making the XR400 the DRZ became the top selling non-road bike for years. I'm sure this happened elsewhere too.

[@motomitchuk4384]

I just realised some of this is filmed on my local, its a shame that little climb off the undulla rd doesnt continue

[@tassieadventurerider4815]

I rode Cairns to cape York on a DR 400 which was perfect for that trip, however I love my 2018 DR 650 as an all rounder go too bike. 🏍

[@crosstrainingadventure]

I think the main tour group up there still runs DRZs?

[@tassieadventurerider4815]

@@crosstrainingadventure I think Greg at North Queensland Trail Bike Adventures buys around 12-14 new 400’s each season. I did that trip in 2016 with 10 mates from Tassie.... awesome experience over 7 days.

[@crosstrainingadventure]

Sweet. I'll probably get up there one day...

[@endspy79]

I love my DR650, my Son loves his DRZ400, hope that helps clear things up at all.

[@Kaegis]

Sounds about right!

[@fmxinsane]

doesnt help at all :D

[@williamdickson9908]

Well put together video with excellent information/ perspective! I have a 2020 DR650 and I absolutely love it! I have been rapidly modifying it this past year to meet all my needs as an adventure style bike. Suzuki has fixed the nagging reliability issues over the years and as has been said before- "The DR650 is a blank canvas which you make into exactly what you want". Your channel is a great source for info on mods for the DR. The DRZ400 is also a great bike with tons of potential also. Reliability and simplicity for both are a huge consideration for me. I have a friend who just purchased a Triumph Tiger 900 Rally Pro ($17,000 USD) and it is a well engineered bike but it has way too much electronic gadgetry for me. I can service or repair the DR trailside - the Tiger, not so much. Sorry for the Long post. Great Video! Cheers!

[@crosstrainingadventure]

"The DR650 is a blank canvas which you make into exactly what you want" is a great summary, William. I think it applies quite a bit to the DRZ as well, probably less so. I completely agree with all that electronic gadgetry, it's the last thing I want failing in a remote area. It's partly why I sold my KTM 690 years ago, just so many extra things to go wrong.

[@crosstrainingadventure]

Forgot to ask, is your friend enjoying the Tiger so far? I haven't got to ride one yet.

[@williamdickson9908]

@@crosstrainingadventure He has only ridden it once due to it being cold here in the US (North Carolina). He seems to be really happy with it. I will report back to you after he has some more miles on it. Cheers!

[@wcsdiaries]

@@williamdickson9908 which is less maintenance 400 or 650? Want my first bike :D

[@williamdickson9908]

@@wcsdiaries I think the DR650 requires less maintenance due to being air and oil cooled. No coolant to change and monitor. They are both close as far as maintenance. Also, what type of riding do you plan to do? If you are looking at 50/50 road and off road, the DR is a great choice. If you will be more dirt oriented, the DRZ is probably the better choice due to better suspension for off road. Both are great choices! Hope this helps some! Cheers!

[@theravedaddy]

I had 2 drzs in the uk. I brapped about on the sm and enjoyed it. The E never left my ol mans lounge because 'YOU CANT RIDE THAT HERE' is the law in the UK. I wish i could have brought them to the wild.

[@motoendurocalaveras429]

A 7 gallon tank for a Drz400e?

[@AskformeJohnT]

Got a 2007 DL650 that I use for everything!

[@chriscolley1406]

Ive got the DRZ400sm 2008 great round the bumpy backroads (concrete roads) and jsut after getting the bike i got a set off offroad wheels for it. abit harder then taking the old ktm exc off road but still handled everything thrown at it and didnt struggle. probably the best bike ive owned so far.

[@crosstrainingadventure]

Have to love all that suspension travel on bumpy roads, Chris. I tried a CB500X adventure bike last year and was almost thrown off the bike going around bumpy corners lol.

[@ronsexton3685]

I am trying to decide between a DRZ400SM with offroad wheels or a DR650. What wheels and tires did you do and did you keep it?

[@machupikachu1085]

@@ronsexton3685 Which one did you end up getting?

[@ronsexton3685]

@@machupikachu1085 Didn't. Leaning towards a DR650.

[@machupikachu1085]

@@ronsexton3685 I have a SM, and they are great for around town, on freeways and in the dirt. Their one weakness is the open road. They are too tall and light to fight the wind. If you plan on more off road and round towning, the SM is your best friend. If you are doing more on road and really any open road tours, I'd consider the DR. Hope that helps. Cheers!

[@JwpGaming]

I'd take either for offroad over my 190kg wet, 94 F650, lol. It's a good lil beamer for the road but I'm a weakling, so picking up anything over 160kg from the ground is kind of a pain. Looking to get one of these two next.

[@patterguitsit7124]

I've had both and I still can't say which one is better. They are both brilliant.

[@garythompson883]

Yes have owned a DR650 for 11 years stepped up from my very favourite DR500 (an absolute fantastic bike that has taken me alot of places in OZ-still have it) back to the 650 my main gripe would be the unforgiving forks which give zero feedback and will skip and wash out and are harsh. I have done a lot of mods but I think my next splurge will be the plex valves. Oh with the mods plenty of grunttttt. grunttttt.

[@crosstrainingadventure]

Great bikes for the Grunty McGrunt riders of the world lol

[@nickpowellbmxmx8771]

Glad I brought a 2021 Drz 400e

[@realpremier]

that's cool! in Europe you don't get any new drz or 650 because the euro regulation, you can't imagine how that sucks :(

[@sesa2984]

Thanks for the video. I want a DR-650 so bad.

[@skipperdabio]

I’ve owned both a 2000 DR-Z400E and a 2003 DR-Z400S. The power difference is way more than 10% according to my butt dyno. Also the power delivery and engine braking provided by the E model and it’s Keihin FCR 39mm pumper carb are far far superior to the 400S. Rebuilding the FCR carburetor is another story however…

[@crosstrainingadventure]

There aren't many dyno charts around but they usually indicate about a 10% difference. Although with mods the less restricted E might get more? But 10% makes a big difference! I know the DR650 gains about this with a new exhaust and carb mods and it feels like a completely different bike. But it's only gone from 36 to 40hp at the rear wheel.

[@blacktopimages]

I've gone from KLR650 to GasGas Pampera (euro DRZ) to husky TE510 (adv trim) to KTM500 (enduro trim). I spent the most time on the TE510, and it's that reason I'm looking for a DR650 to park next to my KTM, like the KTM but it's just not cut out for a 300km ride in enduro trim, and I can't bring myself to make it more adv friendly as it's just so good for the enduro stuff I do in Coffs. So the logical step is DR650 for the long hauls.

[@crosstrainingadventure]

I know lots of guys adventurize the Kato 500 quite happily and I've tried that sort of thing in the past... but nowadays I love the simplicity of the DR650 for longer haul rides.

[@blacktopimages]

@@crosstrainingadventure agreed, I'd hate to be middle of nowhere with a stuffed fuel pump or a broken wire to the ecu.

[@MrNeutross]

I'm riding a 1991 DR650R dakar that I've resored and put a lot off time and effort into. Love the bike and the old school styling but I'm jealous of the 1996 and up models aftermarket support and parts availability.

[@crosstrainingadventure]

I'd love to ride the older models some time and see how different they are. I'd especially like to ride the DR800 some time!

[@MrNeutross]

@@crosstrainingadventure Oh, I forgot to mention, it's was your DR modding series that made me buy it in the first place, the 1991 just happened to be the only one I could afford at the time :D

[@davewalton2358]

Had a DRZ, great in the bush but a buzzy bugger on road, rev their brains out. They are either geared for bush or road, not both and I want to do both to get to the good spots. Just got rid of my Tiger 800 XC (great on road, capable in the dirt but big, heavy and too many bits to bust and replace in "unplanned dismounts"). Now waiting on delivery of my new DR650, can't wait to start tinkering and farkling. Great base to build the perfect bike for your needs!

[@crosstrainingadventure]

The DRZ is crying out for a sixth gear, David. Or at least a wider spread. I geared up my DRZ400S like crazy for a long road trip (15/38 from memory) and it just purred along at highway speeds, they can definitely pull high gearing just fine. Hope you enjoy the DR, they make a fun project!

[@timsilva1944]

My 1st 400 was an S model. Was good to get back into riding, but too heavy for my taste on trails. Fire roads/back roads was good, but too buzzy on fast pavement. I sold it. My current E has suspension mods and is pretty good on all dirt, except gnarly single track. My heavily modified DR 650 is great (stable/smooth) on roads and is good on dirt with proper tires. The 650 is in the most need for suspension work. Washboard dirt and big hits are not it's strong suit. All are low maintenance and reliable!

[@crosstrainingadventure]

Very close to my experiences, Tim. Although I didn't find my DRZ400S buzzy on the road though. Mind you, I had it geared up crazy high for all the road riding I was doing... just burbled along with pretty low revs on the highway.

[@gtpits]

I have owned both, currently have had the 650 for 5 years. The Drz feels like a much smaller bike even though the seat height is greater. The drz is closer to a true trail bike. The biggest issue with the drz is the very close ratio gearbox which in standard gearing is a bit too tall for trail riding and a bit short for long hauls, putting taller gearing on sees it runout of puff when trying to hold speed seeing allot of frustrating gear changes, if it had a wide ratio gearbox or a 6th gear I would go back to one. The future must surely see both redesigned to meet emissions, then again there has been no hurry from Suzuki in the past, cheers

[@crosstrainingadventure]

I see there are gear ratio kits available Glen, to spread them out but man are they expensive. I reckon you'd only do it if the gearbox failed.

[@ericsacco7406]

Excellent point... it boils down the the gear ratios on the DRZ like you stated... makes them more dirt oriented. I have an XT600 and like it better overall for light ADV riding. Has much longer legs with less revs on the road.. more comfortable. I also have a 500EXC so no need for speed.

[@CoachSteve4u]

I went with the DRZ400s. First, my background is motocross and secondly, I'm too tall for any of these bikes. I easily flat-foot the DRZ with no sag (6'8"). The DRZ feels a bit heavy, and torquey, but underpowered in the mid to upper RPMS but that's because I'm used to high-revving 2 strokes. Regardless, I absolutely love the bike. It's so cool to ride on the street and have the option of going off-road. I'm building it out to be a light adventure desert bike. I also bought the JD jetting kit and will do the 3x3 mod and eventually, the full exhaust upgrade to get the most HP I can from it.

[@crosstrainingadventure]

Good solid bikes for sure, Steve. I'd love to see Suzuki take it to a 500cc, add a sixth gear, and maybe do an adventure version too.

[@CoachSteve4u]

@@crosstrainingadventure Me too! Even if it was a 450. What to you think about the SWM 500? Husqvarna parts, fuel injected, 6 gears.. I would have bought that instead but they are hard to find.

[@crosstrainingadventure]

We did a review of the 300 which is extremely similar. I thought the big issue was the close ratio gearbox which they kep for the 500 model.😢

[@CoachSteve4u]

@@crosstrainingadventure Right. I forgot about that! Not good for highway use.

[@bikewolf7455]

About the upper chain roller on the 650: when i bought the bike with 65K km i really couldnt find that chain roller and since its an old euro model i just figured it didnt have one (euro models are a little bit different). fast forward 2 years and 20K km later i layed the bike on its left side accidentally and when i glanced at it at the right angle i could see a big hole (about 4x4cm) in the frame, right where the chain roller should be. i closed the hole with quik steel. i was riding a lot in the worst of weathers so for sure water entered the frame. i just dont know if the water was able to dribble out the small drain holes on the underside of the frame or if its rusting from the inside right now. also since i found those drain holes im not sure if water crossings are a good idea with this bike in general.

[@crosstrainingadventure]

Maybe squirt some kind of rust preventative up the drain holes?

[@curtjesse5820]

Just sold my drz-s, loved it, hope I don't regret the decision.

[@crosstrainingadventure]

What do you think the replacement will be, Curt?

[@curtjesse5820]

@@crosstrainingadventure just picked up a wr250r, only have had it out one time so far. I will say I did miss the grunt of my drz on that first ride. After a few more rides I'll know if the wr is a keeper for me or not.

[@chrisbilling]

I have a drz400sm with S knobby tires. It is an absolute pleasure to ride and a lot of fun on tough trails. It is a true dual sport but definitely leans toward off road/ trail riding. Also despite what some people say, its not suitable for the freeway. The relative lighter weight and less displacement make it unsuitable. It can do 60mph with ease but if you have a lot of mechanical sympathy like myself you can hear the rpms telling you not to push it much past 60. Otherwise for back road routes and speeds 60 or less its a perfectly capable machine on the road. My input

[@crosstrainingadventure]

I've got a fair bit of mechanical empathy too, I hate buzzing down the highway at high revs. A lot of guys are fine with this though... lots of comments from 250 or 300 riders saying 'it sits on 70mph all day long'...

[@danielc5205]

I've only have some experience an uncorked XR650L, in this class of motorcycle. I've only ridden a DR 650 around a dealership's parking lot, once. The only thing I can say about both bikes, is I believe that the XR650L has longer travel suspension than the DR 650.

[@crosstrainingadventure]

We did a recent comparison vid, the Honda is definitely more dirt friendly in terms of suspension and lighter weight.

[@brucesieverts1236]

Had a 86 600 Dakar, more power than the 650 .awesome tour bike for the back country.

[@gasdive]

Just got back from a morning ride on mixed highway, tar and gravel. My weapon of choice, not the Suzuki D'R' 650, but the distant cousin the Suzuki D'L' 650. Brilliant for that sort of thing. No good for single track, but for just blowing out the cobwebs of the mind, nothing better. Nothing like coming home with the bike covered in mud, except for the tyres that are all melty right the way to the edge. For the dirt I like 200 twostroke.

[@crosstrainingadventure]

We reviewed the DL recently as my brother has one, although he'll probably sell it now he has a DR650 instead.

[@gasdive]

@@crosstrainingadventure saw that. Great review.

[@Fasnfip]

I have a DR350, and I'm absolutely loving it so far! I've wondered a few times, if I should swap for the DRZ, but I think that it wouldn't be a really that big of an upgrade since the power figures are relatively similar.

[@curtc.6914]

I’ve owned the Dr350,and recently purchased a 2018 drz400sm. There is a big difference in power delivery. Test ride a drz400 and you will see.

[@crosstrainingadventure]

I've never actually ridden the DR350... 😢

[@Fasnfip]

@@curtc.6914 Did you run your 350 stock or with mods? But yeah, I'll definitely be trying a 'Zed, when I get the chance!

[@Fasnfip]

@@crosstrainingadventure I can lend mine, if you ever find yourself in Finland somehow. 😄

[@curtc.6914]

@@Fasnfip. No both the bikes are completely stock. The drz400sm will smoke the DR350. You need to test ride one and form your own opinion. Good luck👍

[@soundslikeaplan841]

I love my drz 400e to bits, I also have SM wheels for it

[@crosstrainingadventure]

Very cool little SM bikes!

[@soundslikeaplan841]

@@crosstrainingadventure yeah love it! I have been taking my sm wheels off road, I did little red with them the other day!! Haha I was pretty happy. But I love seeing how far I can get with them at glass house