Suzuki Method for Jazz?

[@MrRossharrell]

The music teacher in me cannot highlight the point enough that being an average musician without success or fame is a wonderful kind of musician to aspire to be. I struggled a lot with parents who were the best of the best in another field, so it seemed like I had to be the best in everything I did. I really got into enjoying music and practice when I learned how to drop all the pressure to be great. I just learned the pianist Chuck Leavell learned from his mother who taught him by asking him to play "what thunder sounds like" on the piano, and other emotive sounds you don't need to know anything about music to play. I'd like to add that my wife is a preschool teacher who IS an expert in early childhood development and has read that Suzuki Book.

[@GizzyDillespee]

I was lucky enough to have a grandmother who played oompah renditions of early- and mid-century pop, with all of the imperfections that implied. Sometimes she would sing. That used to be so common - there was a piano in so many houses, or an organ, or at least there was an accordion and an autoharp. Other people would have brass, someone would have a sax or clarinet. Social gatherings, school band, church service, and before that, when people only had radios for outside entertainment, tons of people played. During the silent movie era, the theaters paid musicians to improvise a score over the movie, on organ, usually, during the showing. Musicianship was much more commonplace, and before radio, most audiences never got to hear the best of the best. The electronic keyboard industry couldn't provide Nords for Jesus Molina et al, if it weren't for the rest of us still playing despite having no chance to attain that level. Luckily, you can make pretty good music without being one of the best at the instrument. There can be 100,000 arguably better players than me, of my instrument, and I still can make good music. Piano competitions are like beauty pageants, in a way

[@subschool5]

beautifully said @mrrossharrell

[@denverguitarhero]

Wowww I know that Chuck Leavell name because of Eric Clapton's live acoustic album 😮 he calls his name for recognition during the show :)

[@MrRossharrell]

I accidentally mixed him up with an MMA fighter named Chuck Liddell hahaha@@denverguitarhero

[@jellewils3974]

Yes Ross, I've been trying to the same lately. A bit further along than your typical amateur musician and have also been focussing on the artist part a lot for a long time. That also means I consider myself average, but quite good at entertainment and moving an audience Now I'm trying to develop new vocabulairy which can be quite daunting and confusing since there's so much material out there. Have committed lately to just practice 15 mins a day, only focussing on like 4 bar max funky licks and taking those through all scales. And I mean, only one lick per day. Now that I've dropped the perfectionism and obsessive searching for the best way to practice, it's amazing how quickly I've gone back to simply enjoying it. It used to never be about the result for me but that can be detrimental to achieving new goals. This seems like a balanced way to improve whilst mainly enjoying it. Since I have a somewhat analytical job and a toddler + 5 year old And a household to run And an actual need to catch a breather on the couch, enjoyment is the only way to get me practicing everyday. Improvement is not, that's just intimidating for now. If this get's me practicing everyday taking all kinds of stuff through all keys by ear, that's a lot of time spent training my ears and technique. Way more than being like "I gotta get better!" and then feeling like I have to climb the Himalaya's when tired... So, thank you for this perspective in this world that's all about self improvement it seems, that's the Real motivation killer

[@cornicello]

Intriguing discussion, as always! My daughter started piano as a Suzuki student, and I agree how it helped develop a love of music. (Okay, there were other factors, like both her parents...) It did start her on her current journey, and helped her develop her ear. For young students, the repertoire given to 1st and 2nd year students is fantastic, much better than the materials given in those "John Thomson" type books. And I agree that it would be a great help for a budding jazz musician. But, my daughter developed an affinity for Bach - it becomes quite difficult to teach highly contrapuntal music through Suzuki. We moved her out of that program, but the aural lessons remained as she went through a more traditional approach. Next week she's giving an un-required sophomore recital (Bach, Brahms & Ligeti). Yeah, I'm a proud dad...

[@pianopeter]

Thanks for your thoughtful words, and congrats on your daughter's recital! B&B are of course great, but Ligeti - yeah! I was first introduced to his music via Maurizo Pollini recording many years ago - RIP Maestro Pollini. I should note that I actually left the strict Suzuki method as well, and it can certainly be seen as one part of the puzzle. Carry on!

[@macleadg]

My son started on Suzuki method violin, switched to Suzuki cello, and just graduated with a degree in jazz bass.

[@stephenrustin894]

After 15hrs I still haven’t listened to the whole podcast I keep on starting over just to listen to the opening tune Amazing very beautiful I even let my wife listen She asked if I will be able to play like that 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@lukespencer8341]

You absolutely can get there 😎

[@stephenrustin894]

Thanks Bro I’ll keep working towards that ❤

[@yahnferral9163]

I was able to transcribe by ear as a child and didn’t think much of it till a jazz pianist told my mother after a day of hanging out. I ended up playing bass, drums, guitar and sing but I have put more into piano now and eventually found these big hearted guys.

[@Jerry_England1]

The opening song was really beautiful! Great choice guys, I love it!

[@nomannic1]

100 percent agree

[@hamiltonmays4256]

A Child is Born- Thad Jones

[@dzeng16251]

@@hamiltonmays4256 one of my favorite tunes of all time, so good

[@mrcneale]

UK. Manchester here. Only 2hrs to London on the train.....you set the date, I'll book the ticket! Or come to Band on the Wall/Blues Kitchen in Manchester. GALA

[@pranav4592]

I need a whole album of the vibes you guys were bringing at the beginning

[@Kalaish_Stanley]

Wow that intro was just sublime. Put that on repeat lad

[@itsahsah]

The end really gets into the idea of epigenetics. Meaning that although we may carry the possibility of heredity traits, the environment is crucial in the genetics actually making any difference. the cool part is we may all have latent super powers, but you can always change your environment to fire up those genes.

[@remyvegamedia]

That's a great topic and concept!

[@luvkayakn]

Great conversation. I didn’t realize Suzuki was such a full program for all of life’s skills.

[@octatonicgardenmarcospi4978]

There's a very compelling series of articles written by the great American violin and guitar player Mark O'Connor criticizing the Suzuki method. It would be good to have this perspective. There's also the work of Edwin Gordon and John Feierabend, two American music educators who have built a music curriculum for children based on this idea of sound before sight, and also included improvisation and creativity from the start.

[@edzielinski]

One of my favorite shows so far. Getting insight into the principles of the Suzuki method here, and through Peter's own personal viewpoint was fascinating. I'm going to read up on this now. My kids are grown, but from the little bit I've heard today, it sounds like there's a lot in the method that can be cultivated at any point in life. Thanks guys!

[@PaulieStamets]

Just love you guys, what a privilege to listen and learn from you.

[@ThePentatonicWay]

Thanks for this. I would love to pass on my passion for music to my kids and can use all the help I can get. Enjoying your playing right now and I'm excited to hear your advice which I'm sure will be spot on as usual. Thanks for all that you do guys :)

[@JazzLispAndBeer]

Thank you for excellent discussion. I have problems with being born feet first so both collar bones was broken resulting in loss of muscle in my right arm because of nerve pathways broken. I am beginning to see and work with my bad nerves including learning jazz guitar so you kinda hit two big ones for me :-) KZbin at its best guys!❤

[@AnthonyCollierMusic]

Great topic and great advice! Thank you guys!

[@PaulieStamets]

what a great beginning as always.

[@martincloke1218]

Great episode. What I'm not sure of, how do the classes actually work on piano? Do you need a mass of pianos in the same room?

[@jbginns28]

love the opening tune

[@NickMarshallMusic]

Bruce Liptons work on epigenetics ties into this too. First 7 years of ones life, you're just absorbing everything, you're in theta state, all these programs are being built through the information in your environment. See videos on Rick Beato holding Dylan, with complex jazz fusion, classical in the background. Kinda cool to know you can make your kids ear musical before they even pick up an instrument.

[@ili626]

16:05 Mozart’s dad was an ambitious composer and Mozart’s sister was good too. His early compositions weren’t too good. He was more “human” than we’re taught in other words

[@indigosnow_]

ooo love this topic. let's go! will come back to comment after finishing the video. Awesome playing in the beginning as per usual 😊

[@homosexualpanic]

Four hours ago and still no follow up comment. RIP

[@itsahsah]

Come to San Francisco next! I bet the fancy PBS building would welcome you with open arms.

[@weedanwine]

💯 you need to do a London You'll Hear It, along with Adam & Peter double a gig at Ronnie Scotts or the Jazz Cafe

[@vinylmanu]

Heeey! What’s up weedannwine? Long time!

[@rube30mg]

@@vinylmanu Heeey! What's up vinylmanu? Long time!

[@cademosley4886]

I always like a little Producer Caleb banter in the episodes. 😄

[@itsahsah]

Don’t skip the theme ! It pumps some of us up lol

[@thomascordery7951]

I never knew this about the Suzuki Method. If I had to do it all over again ... Clearly a concept that would work with creative topics other than music. Maybe not chartered accountancy?

[@andrewstrasser]

What great are you guys playing on?

[@oliver7763]

I was fortunate to be trained in violin via the Suzuki method. Upon coming to the us, my teacher was shocked at my lack of knowledge of theory ie: names of notes, time signature.. didn't align with my level of playing. It's all about imitating and fine tuning your ears.. after all music is about playing music and evoking emotions not an intellectual exercise.

[@ЄвгенБойко-ф9ж]

Thanks for the video, and I wanna ask you - do you post these podcasts on Spotify? I would love to hear you there) Best wishes 😊

[@YoullHearIt]

Yes we have an audio podcast! You can check it out on all streaming platforms under You'll Hear It. Or click this link youllhearit.com/

[@LowKeyTired-q7d]

What piano is that that Adam uses with the Rhodes sound ???

[@Ryan-wr8fx]

I'm going to guess a Nord Stage keyboard

[@moldyfigs]

I believe it's Keyscape.

[@weedanwine]

@@moldyfigsyeah it's a Nord keyboard with a Keyscape sound

[@retrogamerdave362]

It looks like a Nord product ​@@Ryan-wr8fx

[@GizzyDillespee]

I too started, as a young child, with the Suzuki method for violin, and then switched to self-taught Casio method on cheap electronic keyboard. But I have terrible taste, so I probably amn't is that a word? Amn't? What's the contraction for "am not"? Anyway, I probably amn't... that doesn't sit right, but what else could it be? I probably AM NOT the right person to represent the greatness of the Suzuki method, except to say it's a great foundation for hobbyists (and many pros have vouched that it's a great foundation for pros).

[@GizzyDillespee]

BTW, kids, if your parents won't support your artistic or musical endeavors... when it comes to the arts and music, according to Geneva Conventions, children have the right to circumvent their parents' authority, and to go above their heads, and petition grandparental intervention. Unless it's drums - the conventions are clear about that. It must be edrums, if the grandparents give drums.

[@geocosmicvalentine]

I suspect you’re looking for the word “ain’t” which is a slang word for “is not” and “am not” although I commend you for possibly creating a new slang word “amn’t!” 😮 WOOOW! Talk about improvisation! In case you’re not familiar, I highly recommend a great song for you to check out. I believe it’s called “IS YOU IS OR IS YOU AIN’T MY BABY” 😎👍🏽

[@jackgalloway8314]

It's sunny in St Louis, man.

[@pianohar]

How come you talk about this when I just decided to quit software engineering, and start working as a private piano teacher to pay for professional music training in Paris... ? Must be a sign !

[@wallomaie1752]

Help I’m stuck on repeat of the opening tune😂

[@tobjafranz1187]

wow, i think this subject is far from discussed as much as it should be. For me it seems so obvious that the most effective learning is the one that happens through absorption - an instinctive unconscious process where say a baby is exposed to some stimuli like words and phrases of the mother tongue again and again, and the learning mechanism that is built into our body/brain takes off and does the rest; nothing has to be done consciously except creating a space where this learning mechanism (that does all the work without us even noticing really) can flourish, and I completely agree that creating such a space is a lot about having a loving relationship between teacher and student or parent and kid. We are curious creative creatures that love to learn and explore but we need that relational bonding/connection to really open up to that potential. Also I think instincive learning through absorption/reception doesnt stop for adults but i guess its safe to say that babies have exceptional and bigger capacities for it.

[@weedanwine]

shouts to all the people not from musical families who still out here learning 😂

[@L.Csanad]

It is an acknowledged fact that jazz can seriously harm children's well-being because they might develop a rare mental disease called 'good taste', so please, be careful.

[@Bruce.-Wayne]

😂😂😂😂

[@jellewils3974]

😱Harming my child that has had good musical hearing from like 2 with all genres daily. He prefers classical music though

[@ili626]

Everything I’ve thought of and explored inevitably ends up on this channel.. well, not quite, but almost

[@LowKeyTired-q7d]

Definitely a good move ... Sometimes it is jarring when you do a tune then hit the theme tune after ...

[@levimiucci]

This hurts to hear when you had parents who weren't strict enough on imposing the value of commitment to an instrument when you were younger. Well, the best thing I can do now is to surround myself with what I am passionate about as a young adult.

[@eliyag1]

Love the no theme song lol

[@geoffknot]

ah man, dont get Sapolsky started on this!

[@lejazz6938]

❤

[@cisraels]

Hard for me to understand why learning art in sound should ever start with reading. If you understand music as language, the best way to learn it is the same way you learned to speak. Jimmy Knepper would have said “molto obvioso”.

[@chvolow]

You shouldn’t have started that way because now I have to leave immediately and go listen to all of Consummation

[@ili626]

18:28 You guys are struggling to get to the concept and facts of epigenetics. That’s what you’re describing.. you veered out of your domain of expertise ha!

[@PaulieStamets]

Just love you guys, what a privilege to listen and learn from you.