Suzuki V Strom 650 XT Vs V Strom 1050 XT - Which one should you buy?

I took out both the Suzuki V Strom 650 XT and Suzuki V Strom 1050XT model for back to back test rides to see which one is better. I wanted to find out if the more expensive and upgraded V Strom 1050XT worth the money over the 650?

[@ThePalmatron]

Two great bikes! Thanks for the honest review.....

[@PhotoNMoto]

Thanks for commenting

[@jimdocherty5494]

No one ever seems to mention the engine braking on these big twins. Great for eating through lines of traffic, forget about the brakes.. Good review.

[@SumChatter]

Thanks for the review. I own a Triumph Tiger 800 XR in India and due to the warm weather here and huge traffic in most cities, I find the engine heat especially when the radiator fan starts a big bother. I tried the Suzuki V-strom 650 and on a bright sunny day I found it way more better from the engine heat standpoint. It does not have the insane power thrill of the Tiger but the V-strom has enough for both city as well as quick overtaking on highways.

[@boogle808]

Waiting for delivery of my 650xt in blue! Can’t wait. Test rode on a couple of weeks back and was amazed how nice it was. I’ve had far bigger bikes but I’m no speed freak anymore and just want one do-it-all bike. This will fit the bill nicely! 1000 looks nice but can’t justify the extra 2k currently. Nice comparison. Thanks

[@PhotoNMoto]

Hi, congrats on your new bike. It handles really nicely doesn’t it. I’ve just picked up my 1050XT this morning. Traded in my Duke 790 and got a great deal so went for it.

[@jjnich4915]

Picked up a brand new 2018 650xt two years ago. Put down 14,000km since that September and still the Strom runs the exact same as the day I bought her. Taken her on a few lomg trips once out to the Maritimes where I had ridden the bike for 24 hours straight it is so comfortable (coming off a ninja this bike is so comfortable). The 1050 is an amazing bike too but it gets terrible gas mileage compared to the 650 so unless you have plans on going 2 up it's probably better to get the 650 it will do about everything the 1050 does but more effectively. A guy near me sold his 2014 it has 135,000km on it so if you change the oil the twin will run forever.

[@samiam5326]

Hi Jj Nich, I have a 2012 V-Strom 650 and thinking of upgrading to a Ninja 1000 SX. May I ask what year was your Ninja? And was it the 1000? The sports touring version? Thanks.

[@jjnich4915]

@@samiam5326 ninja was very uncomfortable it was a 2009. Very reliable bike but not so much comfort wise. I can't say anything about the ninja 1000sx because I have never sat on it but every Suzuki I ever sat on was more comfortable than every Kawasaki I sat on and I have ridden Kawi's, Yamaha's, Suzuki, Harley's and the Strom was the most comfortable one. Usually sport touring is much more upright position than the pure sports and worst comes to worse you just buy some risers for the handlebars bring them up a inch or 2 so you can sit as straight as possible.

[@jjnich4915]

@@samiam5326 I'd recommend going to the closest dealer that has a ninja 1000sx and sit on it. If it is not comfortable stock then you aren't going to have a good time touring with it!

[@wyattstan]

I just bought the 650. I love it.

[@actstuntcam]

I'm a VStrom fan. Had the 2003 1000. Rode it back to back with a similar vintage 650 - only 15kg difference back then, but it felt like 30kg+. New weight difference is 30kg, so can only imagine what that feels like. My 1000 was super hard work in the sand-dunes though, and always thought if I could overcome my ego's need to have the 1000, the 650 would have been better - the 650 was almost as quick around a racetrack too. Rode a 2010 VStrom1000 and was pretty disappointed, it was really a sit-up sportsbike and couldn't even handle road bumps and imperfections, let-alone proper off-road. I lOVE the look of the new 1000 and that would be a factor. We all want to look cool on our bikes - Think I like the red/orange one. When I win Lotto tonight, the VStrom will still get a test ride along with Tiger, Africa Twin, 790, T7...(Not the BMW though - way too unreliable) etc. Thanks for your vid mate, and good on you for making a decision. Post a vid when you've made your purchase. Cheers Campbell :)

[@PhotoNMoto]

Hi Campbell , thanks for the comment. I gotta admit a bit of loose gravel track is about as far as I’ve taken the Stroms but I can see your point. Don’t think I’d fancy the weight for serious off-roading. I’d just grab a light 250 or similar as my skills aren’t up to anything bigger off-road. Well when you win the lotto tonight just buy them all 😉

[@actstuntcam]

@@PhotoNMoto ...and a big garage to put them in:) Have an ADV modded DR650 at the moment, pretty nice, but too slow for proper fast road riding - that T7 sure is tempting, so is a second-hand Vstom650, as a stop-gap bike on my way to the T7.

[@zachmateer6531]

I appreciate the no b.s. synopsis at the end, its a rare take on KZbin reviews these days.

[@PhotoNMoto]

Haha thanks. Yeh I’m not into all this modern sitting on the fence BS.

[@RoamingTerry]

650XT will be my future bike. Thanks for the review. Take care and stay safe.

[@PhotoNMoto]

Thanks Terry. You can’t go wrong with the wee Strom. Enjoy.

[@trekkydelirium-vroom5821]

The Red/Orange - White one is beautiful!

[@PhotoNMoto]

I agree. That’s the one I bought. I’ll be doing a video on it soon

[@trekkydelirium-vroom5821]

Triple B : Congrats!

[@patwatters8205]

I collected my new black 650xt last week,I,m in love with it already.I traded 2008 650 dl which had taken me from Ireland to Europe many times,Alps as far a Monaco,Dolomites as far as Croatia and Bosnia without a moments trouble.

[@PhotoNMoto]

Ah I had a 2009 that took me all over Europe without any issues. Enjoy the new bike.

[@DanielGonzalez-jg5bx]

I just bought a 2020 650xt and absolutely love it! I’m a new rider and I researched many models and decided to go with the Vstrom 650 because it would not get me into trouble as a new rider but it was big enough that I would not get bored of it quickly. I will be using it for commuting and all around fun. So happy that I decided to go with this model. In a few years, maybe I’ll think about the 1050. But for now, the 650 is perfect! Great review! Keep up the great content!

[@PhotoNMoto]

Congratulations on the new bike. I’m sure you will enjoy it . I’ve had 4 650’s over the years and never had a single issue or complaint.

[@DanielGonzalez-jg5bx]

Triple B I feel so much better about my decision hearing how reliable the 650 is. Thank you sir!

[@darylljones1104]

Great review, I I’m new to biking and have been doing my research on what bike to get, I think I’ve made my mind up with the 650, and the best thing about this review is your doing it in my home town of Crewe, the guys at single tracker are amazing, can’t recommend them enough, amazing customer service.

[@emfl4437]

I have a 2018 DL1000XT and my buddy just picked up the 1050XT. You are absolutely right, the 1050 is more stable and balanced. It is a great machine. Thanks for the review

[@PhotoNMoto]

Thanks for watching and commenting. I think the 1050XT is so good I bought one.

[@emfl4437]

@@PhotoNMoto Nicely done. I have moto-envy after ridding my buddies 1050XT. Excellent choice

[@gregtriumphrat]

The 1050Xt is awesome, 2000 miles and the thing just makes me smile every time. The 650 is just too small for me but that's not saying it's bad. I don't feel the weight and it takes off as good as any big adventure bike. Rode around on GSA for years but I just love this bike.

[@PhotoNMoto]

Couldn’t agree more Greg. I’m in the garage looking at mine now and wanting to ride it but I have family over. Damn it.

[@zzxx33mh]

@@PhotoNMoto 😁👍

[@got_to_roll]

@@PhotoNMoto 🤣 I really feel this comment.

[@zyncarla]

Would you say the 650 is to small for someone 6’2 270

[@gregtriumphrat]

@@zyncarla no, the 650 is still a great bike. It's just not for me, been riding so long now I love the effortless torque of the 1000cc.

[@broggiemonstermonster3385]

I have the 2020 650 XT in blue and have ridden the 1050XT as a courtesy bike while mine was having its first service. I have to admit that I like the engine of the 1050, but found the extra weight unwelcome as I have to reverse it out of the garage. I thought I would find the extra seat height of the 1050 a bit disconcerting, but surprisingly I didn't. On reflection I don't need to the 1050XT due to the extra fuel costs, the additional weight, the complexity of the electronics, which I feel is just more hassle to fix if it goes wrong and the use to which I put my bike. Therefore the 650XT is the better bike for me. However I found that I had to fit the 20mm lower seat which made the difference between "I'm not sure about this" and "yes that's fine" with the seat height... I also find the 650XT to get pushed sideways by winds when sitting at lights. If there is one major dislike with the 650, it is the standard of finish. I found the paint had flaked off in one place and the application was a bit suspect in other places underneath the fuel tank... Since these are painted by robot that would be down to both the settings and the quality control not being up to scratch..... It is a shame that The 650XT is a fine bike to ride..... but then partly ruined by a slapdash approach to quality control....

[@drewmorg.]

They hit the nail on the head with that 1050 XT. Looks great, updated with many much needed modern electronics (cruise, quick shifter, etc). Awesome. A little pricey, but awesome.

[@PhotoNMoto]

I agree. I don’t think it’s priced too badly when you look at the Triumph and BMW equivalents.

[@samiam5326]

Quick shifter?

[@Joe-sf3bc]

Thanks for the review. I'm on a 2018 650XT and love it. Next time please raise the aim of the camera. It's disconcerting looking at the gas tank all the time.

[@VStrom2019]

Had the 650 for exactly two years this week, loved everything about it but saying goodbye to it next week and hello to the 1050XT. Not just about power, the 650 can hold its own for sure but ABS cornering, drive modes, cruise control etc. etc. are all in the package that persuaded me.

[@PhotoNMoto]

Both are great bikes. The better brakes on the 1050 are a big positive in its favour too. Enjoy the new bike.

[@alanbrudenell7460]

A great review I've just purchased the 1050A as I didn't want the extra electronics wire wheels or colours and fitted the accessory bar hand guards myself I'm very pleased with it great for a tour very comfortable and I couldn't agree more with your comments

[@PhotoNMoto]

Thanks Alan, hope you enjoy your bike.

[@MultiOutdoorman]

Your review has edged me onto buying a 1050xt as a 2nd bike to my 2018 gsa.

[@JohnBrown-fm6rj]

I agree with you sj 2017-2019 yellow color is much better.

[@samjmavds96]

Ordered the 650 XT 2021 in the yellow blue color scheme, after a test drive I fell in love. The 1000/1050 is way too big for my shoes and with my 5,9 had to tip toe and it felt way too massive for me. Currently owning the V-Strom 250 so the 650 feels more secure haha. But who knows after 5/10 years upgrading to the big 1050 !

[@andrewedmond7738]

Great review mate. We will finally be getting the new 1050 models in Australia in August. Currently have the 2014 big vee, so eager to feel the diffence between them. Appreciate your perpective of the new model and subbed. Cheers mate.

[@PhotoNMoto]

Cheers mate. It’s a nice upgrade and especially from a 2014. Finally got a bit of sun here today so gonna head out on the 1050xt for a quick ride now. Thanks for the sub

[@boodog4023]

I got the 650 because of cost, MPG, and weight. On the new 1050, if I were to upgrade or get another bike I still would be wary of the weight because I ride solo and if I need to pick it up it will be alone. But yeah the 1050 looks way better IMO.

[@luvsallbikes279]

Congrats on the new bike brother ! I know you chose the 1050 , I waited and all the leftovers seem to have snatched up , so , my cheap ass will wait till these new bikes are a year or so old (still have my other bikes ) . Thanks again for the review , the big bike seems to have a few solid upgrades over the 650 , I thought about upgrading a 650.The brakes , exhaust , maybe , remapping, might as well pay the difference on the newer model 1050 ...unless 🤔they redo the 650 next year .stay safe , thumbs up , will look forward to your thoughts as you get to know your new addition.

[@PhotoNMoto]

Thanks mate. Yeh I think the upgrades are pretty decent this year. I guess if you wait until early next year there may be some pre registered 2020 bikes available for good prices. Yeh upgrading that much on a bike is rarely worth the cost over getting the higher model. What other bikes you got?

[@luvsallbikes279]

Triple B ...I have an 02 Road King , 09 Yamaha Fz1 and a wr250r..I bought all used at decent prices , they are all in perfect condition. I want a bike that can carry a passenger yet still be fun , I go back and fourth with my feelings but it is my favorite subject to contemplate!!

[@ppeter2549]

Great review. I bought the exact same one a year ago - yellow 1050 XT - and I love it! This is my first bike so a little bit overwhelming at low speed (the weight of the bike can be felt around town and when parking) and also in sinuous mountain road, where I am not able to stay on par with my friends (not ready for the Tail of the Dragon yet!🐉🐲), but that is probably due to me being a beginner more than the bike itself… Overall I enjoy it, the power is there and the torque is just great! Probably need to buy myself a second lighter bike for the Sunday afternoon mountain rides… 😊 2 bikes seems to make sense !

[@PhotoNMoto]

Oh I’d say at least 2 bikes makes sense 😁

[@staninjapan07]

If it's only "almost as good" as the 2013 strom-650 I had from new until late 2018, then it's a great bike. I did 27,000 kilometres (about 17,000 miles) over 5 years and it gave me an average of 25 kilometre/litre and easily 30 KPL on the motorway. That's 84.5 miles per UK gallon on the motorway. If only Suzuki had a DCT gearbox for this, they would steal customers from the Honda NC750 dealers at a frightening rate.

[@roysyntageros4191]

I bought the 650XT in the same colour. Which I happen to love the colour. lol I lookled at the 1000cc but I was mainly commuting and as stated by a lot of people the 650 was better suited for traffic being the lighter bike. If however I was 2 up and doing big trips with luggage then I would have gone to the 1050XT. To this point i'm glad I went with the 650XT. :)

[@PhotoNMoto]

I don’t think you can go wrong with either V Strom. It just depends what suits your needs better. Enjoy your bike.

[@MFDopey85]

Lovely review mate

[@PhotoNMoto]

Thanks

[@claudioluizferreiradeolive7277]

A technical and honest evaluation of the models! Great review!

[@PhotoNMoto]

Thanks Claudio

[@ewooll]

Great review. I own an SV650a. That 1037 motor has got to be a dream.

[@PhotoNMoto]

Thanks.

[@edwardt1941]

Would like to see a more forward view mostly getting the dash and bit of road. More road ahead please

[@PhotoNMoto]

Noted. I have a 360 camera now so that will solve the issue

[@PhilipKerry]

Mate he's reviewing the bike not the tarmac ................

[@edwardt1941]

@@PhilipKerry true but it is an easier watch given that the view of the bike doesnt vary. I was trying to give a constructive critique not rip the reviewer down.

[@aeonthailand]

I love your review plenty of basic things people need to know.

[@PhotoNMoto]

Thanks.

[@mateuszjanc4185]

Great review, I am amazed how nimble the 1050 is. You don't feel that 247 kg at all. Very easy to ride. Very stable in the corners even at 100 - 120 mph. Much better than Africa twin or Tiger 900. Almost like the GS 1250. 👍

[@PhotoNMoto]

Agreed , the one concern for me was the weight but as you say, you don’t notice it.

[@tempofugo168]

@@PhotoNMoto What's your height in cm ?

[@rajivbhalla3194]

Thanks for giving a very definitive conclusion, something lacking in majority of the reviews. I wish there was a 800 cc kind of option in V Strom or Versys

[@PhotoNMoto]

Maybe the new Triumph would be an option.

[@andrewharrop7932]

Great bikes but being vertically challenged think I'd have to have the 650, great review, hope to try both when/if lockdown ever ends,stay safe 🏍👍👍

[@PhotoNMoto]

Thanks Andrew, the 1050 does have an adjustable seat height but even the low position is higher than the 650. Let’s hope lockdown ends sooner rather than later ey.

[@BreezyRider66]

I think unless you're a very big bloke or most of your riding is two-up long distance then the 650 probably makes more sense. It's more involving if you want to ride fast but incredibly relaxing on longer trips. They've done a great job giving the bike high gearing, the V twin engine has character, there's a lot to like for sure. I'm a bike tart but I think I'll keep the 2012 650 I've got for some time...

[@PhotoNMoto]

The 650 is so underrated. I have an Africa twin now and in all honesty it does nothing for me that the v Strom 650 can’t do. Plus the v Strom handles better. I’m considering picking up another in the U.K. to tour on. Great value and it handles great. I toured Europe on a 2009 wee Strom and it never missed a beat.

[@kannermw]

I had a 2013 Adventure 650 and now a 2018 1000XT. The only thing in my opinion the 650 offers that was more favorable is a smoother engine feel but the 1000 is way better in every other way including the suspension, raw power, slipper clutch, hydraulic clutch and cruising on pavement at high speed. Once you have grown accustomed to the 1000 torque and roll-on passing power it would be very difficult to step back to the 650. It is not necessary in most instances, but when you downshift to 5th gear on 1000 at 50+ mph and hit the throttle to pass it is like launching out of a small cannon and you can pass any vehicle like they are standing still and a trip to 90+ mph happens in no time. I perceive most individuals who forgo the 1000 in favor of the 650 concoct elaborate excuses to justify this decision. It is most likely for financial or insurance reasons and often unwilling to openly admit this to save face. C'mon people those are legit reasons so just admit it cause it really doesnt matter.

[@stevelake8225]

hi tb, would it be possible to have the camera pointed more upwards when doing the reviews , as it would be good to see were your going as well as looking at the clocks. keep up the great vids , all the best , steve

[@PhotoNMoto]

Hi Steve, thanks for the comment. Yeh I’ll be making sure the camera is better positioned next time. I forgot to check it during the test ride.

[@PhilippinesMyParadise]

Another great video, from a very nice channel, a fantastic reviews, and very useful info... Thanks for sharing and best regards/Ned👍👍

[@trampervan]

Informative video but you need to tilt your camera up a bit, be nice to see where your going rather than staring at the tank! Not a diss just would be better :-)

[@PhotoNMoto]

Cheers buddy. Noted re the camera.

[@stevetaylor8698]

I average 71mpg on my 650 V-strom, but then I do actually use 6th gear. You should try it. If you are not going to take the bike off road, and to be honest it really isn't meant to do anything more ambtious than a well established, gravelled track, then I would save some money and buy the basic bike, not the XT. I quite like the way the air flow over the screen hits the top of my helmet, it provides some cooling air through the vent on my Shoei. However, in rain, the water collects on the screen and is then forced over the top by the air pressure, and big globules of water hit you. It really needs angled tyre valves as it is a pain to put air in the tyres.

[@PhotoNMoto]

I had angled valves on my Duke 790 and agree they’re useful. Simple and cheap to implement, I’d like to see them on more bikes. 71mpg I can believe if riding relatively sensibly. Riding that way I’m getting just over 60mpg on the 1050xt. I agree about buying the base model if your main concern is budget and bang for buck as mods would be more useful than the stock XT parts. However I do prefer the look of the XT.

[@coconuciferanuts339]

You're right about the spoked tyre valves being hard to get to.A flexible hose is what I use.

[@Jimmyzb36]

Thanks for the review. I'm leaning toward the 1050 because the wife likes to tour. Still have a BMW K1200LT. I love it but it is not a good quick trip machine.

[@MrUltralight55]

I have the 2015, 650 and love the bike, as you said it so much fun to ride!!

[@MultiOutdoorman]

Some great roads around Nantwich. Good review and comparison ...thanks. I have a 2018 gas and done 28k miles already. I want another bike to do my miles on and keep my gas...

[@deniz17293]

Great review 👍

[@roadvoyagerlife1759]

One of the best, detailed, real world, useful review ids I’ve seen yet! Thank you! I’ve been a cruiser rider for years and ready to make a change to an ADV bike. I live in the US and hope to live and travel on the bike FullTime in 2021, tent camping, BunkABiker, cabin, etc. and possibly pulling a SherpaX trailer for my gear since I will be traveling with no “home base”. I envision 80-20 riding, backroads, two lane highways (avoiding freeway/interstate riding) and some dirt/gravel fire roads. I don’t need to go fast, no desire to speed across the country and no need to cover long distances each day and hope to spend 2-3 days at certain locations along the way. I’ll also be traveling solo 85-95% of the time. With all that said, in your experienced opinion, which would be the better bike, 650 or 1050? I know, there are many variables but just your general opinion. Thanks again for the detailed video!

[@PhotoNMoto]

Hi Jim and thanks for watching. If budget is not a limiting factor I’d go for the 1050xt for touring. The bike just feels like it can take anything in its stride.

[@kannermw]

I paid under $10K USD for my 2018 1000 XT in fall 2018. Now the 1050 XT even in 2021 is priced over $3K more for nearest XT equivalent and few local dealers are stocking them. I dont think Suzuki has sold too many as they are now over-priced relative to the market. For that kind of money the power needed to be increased to be more competitive with other bikes and/or have other features like quick shifter. Other than cruise control the other minimal feature enhancements in combination simply dont justify the higher premium price versus the prior model.

[@PhotoNMoto]

I guess that depends on the pricing in the local market. Over here in the Philippines it’s overpriced but in the U.K. it’s still a good bit cheaper than the likes of GS’ , KTM 1290 Africa Twin and Triumph Tigers but yes the older models are even better value.

[@danielmccaf]

Good review. I think I am going to pursue a 1050. The 2023 Dual Explorer adds a 21" front wheel, off-road rider mode, rear ABS shutoff, connected breaking, improved suspension travel and ground clearance, quick shifter, colour TFT display, improved cruise control, panier cases, and some other stuff. It is pricier, and as it is new, the massive discounts on unsold VSTROMS are unlikely to be available (you can still buy brand new 2019 models in Canada in the year 2022 and negotiate to get them for a song). Any thoughts about the 2023 1050 DE? Do you think it would be worth the extra money? Financially, it is up in 850 GSA/Tiger 900 Explorer territory, but not as well equipped. Does Suzuki's legendary reliability make it worth it?

[@PhotoNMoto]

I’ve actually just been looking at these today. Unless you’re actually going to be off-roading then I’d have thought the 19inch front tyre on the older models would be better. I never felt the older models really lacking anything. I’ve since had an Africa Twin and none of the gadgets mean a thing to me to be honest. I wouldn’t pay extra for them. Comfort, reliability and a nice engine are top of the list for me (both the V Strom and Africa Twin have brilliant engines).

[@garychapman942]

Nice review. Followed you from buying the 650 vstrom in the Philippines. I have one up in Pampanga. Any plans to go back ?

[@MrGoat61]

Both the 650 and the 1000 have adjustable rebound damping on the rear shock.

[@timogronroos4642]

You didn't consider the additional weight you will have when you have panniers and luggage onboard. With 650 you would have total weight close what 1050 is empty. So moving the 1050 fully loaded, could prove nightmare if you happen to take wrong turn and need to turn around in hard spot. 1050 look much more modern though, but you can buy almost 2 650's with that price. Nice review, thanks!

[@PhotoNMoto]

True and I e dropped a fully loaded 650 before and that was an effort to pick up so the 1050 would be worse. Time to hit the gym 😁

[@andrewshore262]

Thanks for the reviews and well done for not sitting on the fence, of course the 1050 is a better bike! I’ve got an 18, 1000 I like the updates on the new 1050 but Suzuki can keep the spoked wheels. I’ve read a few reports of customers requesting dealers switch the wheels from the base model (cast wheels) to the XT. I was interested in low speed throttle response - your report says it’s no problem which is good news, as you know the old 1000 is a bit of a pig under 3000 rpm. I won’t be buying it yet however, another 12 to 18 months when Suzuki start aggressively discounting or maybe pick up an ex demo and save 1000’s. By then you should also have a lot more third party manufacturers producing aftermarket products (airflow screens for example). Overall though, a good bike in orange and white 👍

[@PhotoNMoto]

Thanks for the comment Andrew. I e actually seen a demo model of the 1050xt going for £9899 with 200 ish miles on the clock so I’m sure next January there will be more. What was the issue people had with the spokes? Apart from being a pain to clean. Yeh throttle response was fine even in A mode which is the most reactive. It’s even smoother in B and C mode. Oh and I got orange and white. Thought I’d get bored with the yellow pretty quickly after the novelty wore off.

[@andrewshore262]

Triple B On the forums the main issue on the out going model was corrosion and time spent cleaning the wheels. Suzuki will consider replacement under warranty only once, some had their wheels relaced with stainless steel spokes about 150 - 200 per wheel. For me I just prefer the lower maintenance of a cast but appreciate no off road riding allowed then. Safe ride👍

[@andrewshore262]

I think you’ve got yourself a great bike 👍👍👍

[@PhotoNMoto]

Andrew Shore ah ok thanks for the heads up. I’ll probably cover in anti corrosion spray before winter and will keep an eye on them. I know the old 650 header piped sometimes suffered with corrosion. I know what you mean regarding cast wheels being easier on the maintenance. I don’t do enough off roading for the spoked wheels to be a factor , but the XT is better equipped in a lot of areas over the base model in this generation so went for it.

[@andrewshore262]

Triple B If you’re going over the bike with ACF 50, do underneath your tank, Suzuki don’t paint that area unbelievably on the Gen 3, I bet it’s just the same on the 1050. And watch out for corrosion forming on the discs near the ABS ring, the brakes look exactly the same. Another area of weakness is behind the front sprocket cover, corrosion can form on the clutch push rod pin happened on mine. I do all my own maintenance and these are the areas I’ve spotted so far.

[@Marc-NZ]

I had a 1050 2022 for 6 months, great bike tech etc...but really didn't like the eletronic accelerator and the cruise control same side as the accelerator as well, wich was very jarky and too sensitive, in a high speed when you try to press the cruise control button it really feels unsafe, and the rate weight/power doesn't make sense...bike same category will have the same weight and about 40hp more...so I made a great deal trading my 1050 2022 for a 650 2023 xt, what a bless, agile, light and the power is more than enough...accelarator smooth and spot on, the weigh power ratio just perfect, even my wife felt the 650more comfortable...

[@PhotoNMoto]

Interesting points. Glad you’re enjoying the 650. I have the 800DE now. Once I’m back home in July I’ll be taking it for some decent rides.

[@blackskunk9034]

So the ideal bike would be the new 650 when they get around to doing the 1050 thing on it (perhaps)

[@PhotoNMoto]

It would definitely make the choice harder. I do like the extra torque on the 1050 though now it feels more free revving.

[@actstuntcam]

Would love to see the 650 get big brother looks too :) As long as they don't put all that rider-aide rubbish on it. Don't want to pay for nonsense. ABS is a legal requirement, but all that other stuff???? Weight, complexity.. :)

[@keyboarddancers7751]

Props to Suzuki for supplying metal brake fluid reservoirs. The 1050 may be modest tech compared to similar capacity ADVs but your wallet will thank you every time you service it.

[@PhotoNMoto]

A lot of this tech appearing lately is superfluous to needs anyway. Well at least my needs. I grew up riding before FI and ABS though so what do I know 😂

[@keyboarddancers7751]

@@PhotoNMoto I used to ride up until about 10 years ago (stopped due to injury); my last two bikes were 650 Katana and XTZ750; zero tech but many many thousands of enjoyable touring miles! A tent is a tent whether it's being carried on the back of an old carb breather or a Multistrada...

[@DH-tp9ns]

The red & white version is awesome. Both are nice really...

[@PhotoNMoto]

That’s the one I bought.

[@peterbell2947]

Remember when you go to sell the 650 Sells much quicker and holds its value compared to the 1000, i know i am on my fourth V strom ride 650 now ,

[@PhotoNMoto]

That makes sense given a lower price point would likely have more potential customers although my 1000 was snapped up quickly and at virtually what I paid for it. I think both sell well as they’re both popular.

[@JohnDoe-ir2ft]

I own an 07 vstrom 1000. I love that bike.lol

[@elitetileandstone]

How does the 1050 compare to the 1000 ? Your video on the 1000 helped me decide to purchase a 2019 1000XT Adventure, back in February. Due to Corona, I held off selling my 14' Versey 650. Now I like having the 1000 and the 650.😉

[@PhotoNMoto]

Glad the video helped. It’s very similar to the 1000. Feels a bit quicker to turn in. Also revs a bit quicker . I’ll probably do a video on this at some point.

[@Matt-hm9uo]

Currently got the 650, thinking of going to the 1000 as they are still around the £8k mark. Interested in why did you sell the 1000 and end up going for the 1050 as that's like another £3500 on top of the 1000 ? Just a suggestion, adjust your camera as we cannot see the road in the vid, very disconcerting :-) Also, how are you finding mpg on the 1000 and now on the 1050 ? Thanks for the vid !

[@PhotoNMoto]

Hi Matthew, yeh sorry about the camera angle on this one. It was a hectic morning test riding several bikes and I forgot to adjust it. I sold the 1000 before lockdown to free up cash. Nothing to do with the bike , I liked it. I test rode the 1050xt and liked it even more. The engine is more free revving and it turns in a bit quicker. I’m also a sucker for the new design. I’ve been keeping a close eye on the MPG. On a sensible ride sticking roughly to speed limits and not accelerating too hard I am seeing just over 60mpg.

[@Matt-hm9uo]

@@PhotoNMoto Thanks for the reply, that's really useful info :-)

[@theeaselrider4032]

Sorry, I tried to watch it, but your head constantly bobbing up and down was making me a bit dizzy. So I gave up.

[@PhotoNMoto]

I accept your apology.

[@chapterrv]

@@PhotoNMoto Your response is 🥇 love the content. Ride safe 👍🏾

[@RRRRefuelRideRace]

Just subscribed. Very useful review. Thanks.

[@PhotoNMoto]

Thanks. A couple more videos to come soon.

[@RRRRefuelRideRace]

@@PhotoNMoto Thanks. If you compare the engine pull of both bikes like acceleration from 0 to 100 kmh or pull from 5th or 6th gear from 90 kmh what will be the difference in %. Can you say that 1050xt pulls 20%, 30% or even more according to your fellin. Thanks in advance. I have SV650 and I am happy with the bike, but if I would change to V-strom, I would like to know what is the engine power feelin between the bikes. Otherwise I believe the V-strom is a very nice and useful bike.

[@PhotoNMoto]

@@RRRRefuelRideRace it’s very hard to give a percentage but if I had to, I’d say it pulls 20% harder at low speeds and once you get above 60mph the difference increases to 30% as the 650 runs out of steam a little in comparison.

[@RRRRefuelRideRace]

@@PhotoNMoto Thanks. That is what I needed. Now you have 1050xt? Before you had V-strom 1000 and what was you bike before switching to V-strom? Thanks also for this.

[@marcosaureliotavaresdesous13]

Acho a XT 650 a moto mais ajustada e acertada entre suas concorrentes.......por isso não vejo a hora de praticarem a atualização da 1050 nela e quem sabe suba para 700 ou 750.......alguém arrisca alguma previsão ?? No aguardo........

[@leopard1989]

Cheers for the Comparison. I'm going to hold out to see if they announce an upgrade/redesign to the 650 for 2021 (must include cruise control), if there's no update on the horizon I'll see if I can get a good deal on the 1050 in the fall/winter months.

[@PhotoNMoto]

Sounds like a good plan. Both are good bikes. It just depends on budget and requirements.

[@grayjohn1906]

A reviewer mentioned, that the display on the 1050 auto adjusts to light conditions,to improve visibility, have you noticed that to be the case? Thanks:-)

[@PhotoNMoto]

I’ve heard a few people say this and a couple complain they can’t see the screen in bright sunshine. All I can say is the screen is fine.

[@STIjojoSTI]

Hi. Im 5’ 6” with short inseem. Was planning on getting a 650xt, but really dont like the looks of the headlight and front shocks. Really like the looks of the 1050xt, my only concern is that its a has tall seat and weight. You think I can reach it? I will be using this mostly on weekends going out of town. Planning on shaving the stock seat an inch but still concerned if I can comfortable reach it. Will be used mostly on road 90% of the time. And some offroad, mostly gravel roads only. Ive test ridden a GS1250 and I felt the weight ever time im on a stop light or parking it. Does this feel that way too?

[@PhotoNMoto]

I never felt the weight as it’s well distributed but then I can comfortably flat foot the bike at stops. I think the only way to really know is to sit on one or better still get a test ride if one is available. The seat is adjustable but it doesn’t change by much.

[@STIjojoSTI]

@@PhotoNMoto Unfortunately I live in an island and afraid to travel by plane just to test ride. So I have to buy without seeing it in person. Can you easily push it around when off the bike? On the GS I finda feel I will tip over the other side because of its weight and physical size. Is this physically smaller than a GS? Thats the only way I can visualize it. Thanks

[@BlueRidgeKat1]

Hope you could see the telemetry on the 1050 better than I could. I'll take the 1000XT.

[@PhotoNMoto]

I didn’t have a problem with it in bright sunshine.

[@franciscopinto2901]

Thaks for the review. You mentioned that you had ridden a previous 1000, is a great point of view. In ergonomics, the 650 fits you well for a long turing ride? or just for commuting around the town?.

[@PhotoNMoto]

The 650 is great for both. Ive toured all over France, Italy and Spain on a 650 and had no complaints apart from it didn’t like cross winds on the French auto routes.

[@franciscopinto2901]

​@@PhotoNMoto Thanks for clear up the point. Unfortunately the 1050 is not an option for me, it is to heavy, and some times midle size models are to ligh for the road, also small for my height (I'm 6' tall). It seems the 650 will be the chosen for my next trip.

[@samiam5326]

Great comparison video and congratulations on your new 1000 XT. I have a 2012 V-Strom 650 that I’ve had since new. It’s been an excellent bike for commuting and a bit of touring (after I added a Givi Airflow screen and ATLAS throttle lock). I’d like to upgrade it to either the V-Strom1000 XT, Ninja 1000 SX or F 900 XR. Have you by chance ridden the Kawasaki or BMW? Cheers mate.

[@PhotoNMoto]

Thanks Sam. I haven’t ridden those but have seen the Kawasaki up close. The new one is a bit lighter I believe too. If you’re touring on roads rather than off the beaten track I reckon it would be worth a test ride. I’ve no idea about the BMW as I e never had the money for them until recently so never considered them.

[@samiam5326]

Triple B thanks for your reply. Interestingly here in Australia there is is not between all three. The Beemer and Suzi are both around A$21 , while the Kawa is a couple of grand cheaper at around A$19k.

[@scottwhitemyer5501]

good job, thanks for your opinion

[@PhotoNMoto]

Thanks Scott

[@billcushion1049]

Love both, the red reminds me of the DR Big from the Dakar it’s modeled on but would get the yellow

[@PhotoNMoto]

Both look good. I was trying to pick one up here in the Philippines but there’s no stock at the moment.

[@danharrington2976]

Thanks....great review

[@PhotoNMoto]

Cheers

[@markschier4106]

I intend to buy a 650 Vstrom very soon indeed.

[@PhotoNMoto]

Enjoy . It’s a fantastic bike.

[@SteveWKk]

I know a lot of people debate 650 vs 1050......I think if you only ride by yourself and aren't overly big, the 650 is fine... But the 1050 is the big boy version....it feels and is more substantial. Its way better if you're carrying a passenger and is honestly the most comfortable bike I've ever sat on. The 650 feels almost kid-ish in comparison. How do you find the windscreen on your new V? Any buffeting or noise issues? Cheers

[@PhotoNMoto]

I know what you mean, the 1050 just feels more solid in every way. I’m back in the Philippines now and have sold the 1050xt so never got a chance to put a lot of miles on it but those I did were super comfortable and no buffering from the screen. The issue I have now is that the 1050xt is probably too big for the roads here but having had it I’m not sure I want to go back to a 650xt. I e just picked up a KTM Duke 390 for a runaround and am enjoying it for now. It’s amazing how fast a small bike feels here compared to all the scooters.

[@westfletcher9219]

Did Suzuki ever fix the clutch push rod seal leaks on the1050.

[@PhotoNMoto]

No idea.

[@inked-96]

Im considering selling my 1200GSA 2019 to get a 2020 V 1050XT. It'll be used for commuting all year round, including winter. 2 European tours a year and being a newer rider, It'll be £700 cheaper a year than my GSA.

[@PhotoNMoto]

Did you swap? What about the 800 non DE version?

[@inked-96]

@@PhotoNMoto In the process of selling my GSA still. Bought it's replacement. Ktm 1090 adventure. No electronic suspension to go wrong. It's awesome.

[@PhotoNMoto]

Nice, I bet that’s a lot of fun. KTM’s usually are. I had the 890R when I was in the uk in 2021 but tend to stick with Japanese bikes over here for ease of servicing and parts.

[@inked-96]

@TripleB6036 it's awesome. I paid £5,200. The GSA should sell for £11,500. Big saving, and it's more fun. Problem I find with these big expensive adventure bikes is that they are full of electronics. When it goes wrong, it's tucked. Least the 1090 is just a bare boned bike. I've added a McCruise cruise control kit, quickshifter, and comfort seat, and that's all it needed.

[@PhotoNMoto]

Think how much petrol or how many trips that money pays for. Agreed about electronics. I had a 2021 Africa Twin, great engine but I didn’t even use the electronics as you needed a computer science degree to operate them all. Mind you, maybe I’m showing my age as I’ve just done a video today talking about not being bothered about even having ABS as I grew up before it was available 😂

[@EBM_Worldwide]

good hardcore review

[@PhotoNMoto]

Thanks.

[@jan180]

The 1050 of course but the 650 is much cheaper and a fine& nice Bike too.

[@tadejkirincic]

That was not Africa Twin at 25:23, but BMW F650GS Dakar :) Otherwise great review.

[@williampeiper292]

I am looking for a replacement for my Honda CB500X .. I like this motorcycle but I think it is a bit outdated, Suzuki should have renewed it as it has done with the Vstrom 1000. Anyway it has a very attractive price and is a very reliable motorcycle.

[@PhotoNMoto]

I guess if you want the latest electronics etc then yes but the 650 is a good honest reliable bike. Maybe they will update it now they’ve done the 1000 but that will come at a price.

[@jaybd9329]

Nice review. I have the 2019 650-XT and love it. However, if for 2021 they bumped to ~700-750cc and added cruise I'd give it a serious look. I wouldn't mind paying more for more as it's reasonably priced as is.

[@PhotoNMoto]

I had one too. Great bike. I can’t see them increasing the displacement with them having the 1050 bit cruise control and some of the electronics could be added.

[@jaybd9329]

I read on Stromtrooper forum that Suz are testing new, larger engine for new Euro compliance requirements. Bikes shown were camouflaged but engine was larger. It just may be time for more displacement and there's still a decent gap until the 1050

[@dry509]

Does the acceleration of the 1000 and the 1050 excite you like the 650 didn’t or would you still like to have more power, more of a rush, more excitement?

[@PhotoNMoto]

I think it depends on what your experience is. For me the 1050 has plenty of power but no it doesn’t excite me in terms of power delivery. For excitement the Duke 790 or my ZX6R offer more. Also look at the Yamaha MT09 and MT10.

[@kevinmullin9956]

Red/orange or black for me.All the bike anyone would need in the 1050xt

[@danielmccaf]

How about the 1050's IMU and how it integrates with the traction control and the ABS? Isn't that the most important feature?

[@PhotoNMoto]

It’s a nice feature but it’s very difficult to say what difference it makes until youre right at the edge of the performance envelope. Didn’t fancy testing that on a test ride. Certainly not the most important feature IMO.

[@zzxx33mh]

Fantastic review,.. 650xt will reach after 3 months, 1050 available, what to do.?! Worth wait or..?! 🤔

[@PhotoNMoto]

Go with whichever you want more. They’re both good.

[@keithert]

How would you compare the seats on the two bikes? The 1050 seat appears to be flat and thin. Also is the 1000 seat a lot more comfortable than the 1050?

[@PhotoNMoto]

To be honest they’re all about as comfortable as you can get on a motorbike. Nothing much between them.

[@verbalwidget7267]

1050 hands down, better cruise, mileage about the same, engine life is the same. V100/V1050 has fully adjustable upside down forks and amazing front brakes. Suzuki left cheap wimpy 43mm conventional forks on the V650 and poor front brakes. It feels like a clown 🤡 bike compared to its bigger brother. There is NO EXCUSE why the gen3 Vstrom 650 change didn’t include the Vstrom 1000/1050 front end and brakes. The V650 is a good bike with 1970’s front forks and brakes.

[@PhotoNMoto]

I chose the 1050xt after I test rode both for the better brakes and adjustable suspension. It also felt more solid. But I wouldn’t slate the 650. Yes it’s getting dated but I had some great times riding my 09 around Europe and a 2019 around the Philippines.

[@danasjucer2810]

fantastičan dizajn

[@kwakkers68]

I really like the look of these (1050) ... Does it look like a SatNav mount above the clocks will be possible, a la GS? 'Spose it'll depend on what the after-market people bring out ...

[@PhotoNMoto]

Yes you should be able to attach one there depending on the mount you use.

[@kwakkers68]

@@PhotoNMoto Good to hear. Maybe that's why they chose to put the adjustment on the outer face of the screen.

[@georgecanakis1075]

Love your channel and always your reviews. Between the 1050 v strom and the super tenere 1200 which one would you say its better all around bike. I am torn between the two.

[@PhotoNMoto]

Thanks George. I haven’t ridden the Super Ténéré so it’s hard to say.

[@gerloczyek]

I own the Vstrom, so obviously biased. I think it is more of a jack of all trades, while the big T is a highway eating monster. So depends on what you have in mind. Long haul tarmac touring vs a bit of fire roads thrown in, where the lesser weight of the Strom will be an advantage. You can't go wrong with either, so don't sweat it. Look for the bigger/better deal. I suspect you'll end up with the Strom ;)

[@vageliskoios1062]

1050 xt άνετα φιλος.. Το tenere πολύ βαρύ κ ασχημο

[@georgecanakis1075]

@@vageliskoios1062 Ευχαριστώ φιλε οτι το καλύτερο.

[@vageliskoios1062]

@@georgecanakis1075 θα την αγοράσεις τελικά? Εγώ πήγα σε Africa twin 1000 του 17

[@pnfctg12]

How does the 1050 compare with the 1000 that you mentioned a couple of times ? Given that 2018+ models of the 1000 are going at a significant discount now, do you think that the 1050 is that much better that one should nevertheless go for it ?

[@PhotoNMoto]

Very similar. It depends on how much you value the added electronic rider aids and new styling really. The engine is a little more free revving. It has LED lights but mechanically its pretty much the same bike. I’m a sucker for the new styling and I had the spare cash so for me I didn’t mind paying the extra but value wise the older 1000 is hard to beat.

[@pnfctg12]

@@PhotoNMoto Thanks. Yes, the 1050 looks quite dashing !

[@pnfctg12]

Had a chance to sit on both... not ride though (its hard to find a dealer that will let you take a bike out for a spin in MA, USA). On paper, the 1050 has a bit more weight to it (9 lbs more) , though the 2018 strom 1000 felt a bit more top heavy.

[@PhotoNMoto]

franklin pereira I’d agree with the remarks about the weight. You don’t feel the extra weight at all when riding the 1050xt and don’t forget the seat height is adjustable too.

[@pnfctg12]

@@PhotoNMoto Thanks. Appreciate your insights on this.

[@Yootoob62]

You keep complaining about the clutch point on that 1050 XT - good luck on adjusting these for the right "feel" - hydraulic clutches are tough for getting that "break-point" feel.

[@PhotoNMoto]

It was just too far out on the test bike. I adjusted it on mine and it was fine.

[@dry509]

So I am in Houston in the US. I am looking for a bike that is exciting, capable of giving me a rush. Secondarily I would like minimal vibrations, decent over bumps, and some wind protection, and a throttle that is not snatchy or too abrupt. Have you ridden a bike that fits that criteria?

[@PhotoNMoto]

ZX6R

[@smstill1]

I'm 6'5" about 250 lbs. I have never ridden a motorcycle before and was seriously looking at the 650 for a fist bike. Would this be a good buy or should I look at another option?

[@PhotoNMoto]

Don’t think you could go wrong. As long as you’re sensible and pay attention to the road you will be fine.

[@edwardt1941]

@@PhotoNMoto Crookscomp could also get the higher seat if necessary given that he is quite tall.

[@got_to_roll]

I'm 6'4" 250 and love my V-strom650 with some mods. Lower pegs, controls moved forward, seat concepts tall seat and bar risers. Now it fits better than ANY OTHER BIKE. I know this because I can't stop trying them all out!

[@amiruscz]

What do you think in my case? 185cm long, 60kg weight, looking for some bike for travels and v-strom looks perfectly, so hesitating between 650 or 1050. :) I guess it ends up in personal try out of both bikes. :-D

[@PhotoNMoto]

Yep definitely need a test ride or at least sit on them. You’d be fine with both at your height but you’ll know for sure when you ride them.

[@sayajeev]

What is upgrade here on Xt 650 2020 model ? Very thing looks the same as before.

[@PhotoNMoto]

Still the same

[@vfrexup]

Just picked up a 1050 - brilliant bike !

[@PhotoNMoto]

Congrats. It’s great isn’t it. Enjoy.

[@dominIKhs]

Hi, what is your height? Did you find 1050 too big of a bike or is it just the parking manuvers that let you know of it's weight?

[@binleyhouse]

Any idea on how it compares to the Honda VFR800X crosrunner?

[@PhotoNMoto]

I haven’t tried the Honda sorry.

[@kevinnashskitchen3517]

DR Big color, red and white looks retro

[@PhotoNMoto]

That’s the one I went for 👌

[@94SexyStang]

The 650 is just easier to jump on and Go.....it's more carefree off-road..........1050cc is a BIG bike to bring off-road, most riders can't handle that......very little room for error.