Tiberian Dawn: The First Tiberium War Timeline (Every Day) - Command & Conquer Lore [OLD VERSION]

[@SvenVanDerPlank]

"Hey Sven, what's your least favourite part about making videos?" "Oh the editing, for sure." "But isn't your latest video idea ONLY editing?" "..." This was supposed to be a very quick thing I could throw together as an alternative to my more in-depth Red Alert chronology video. It ended up taking some 30+ hours to put together and ate up three days off that might otherwise have been used to play games. But hey ho, I'm pleased with the way it came out. It's certainly not No Strings Productions level but for me this was more post-production than I'd attempted in the past. Some of y'all might object to the Tib Sun soundtrack being used for the Tib Dawn conflict but the menu theme for the latter is too loud and none of the soundtrack had the right atmosphere I was going for. Let me know if you would like to see more of these for the later games.

[@Taki_4869]

Definitly! I would love to see such great video aboit the other games too Dang it! Thank god i discovered this Channel back then by accident :D

[@TriNity-GER]

You chose the soundtrack perfectly! The TS OST perfectly captures the dystopian world of Tiberium. Only think i dont like about this vid is the missing voice of yours. I really liked it in past videos. You had this informative reporting tone that perfectly matches the videos you create. So I'd love to see the next video being voiced over again! 15min reading is just... straining and causing me to simply scroll down into the comments instead of watching the video

[@siggylloyd3566]

I actually really like this; it feels fresh because it is a different type of video on the channel!

[@tholdme85]

Would be fun watching similar videos for RA1 and Tib Sun.

[@robertherter1640]

It isn't that good you just went off the basic campaign map no lore really into it no offense few others did it explain more in detail

[@iskoconquers]

I think the theory of GDI and Nod Campaigns happening in parallel has some merit. This explains how Nod was able to stay relevant and alive despite Kane's "Death" Course, this begs the question, how was Australia eventually become a battlefield between GDI and Nod. All I remember is Marcion bringing all his loyalist and most of the Black Hand there

[@SvenVanDerPlank]

I don't think Australia is mentioned at all until Tib Wars (or Kane's Wrath would be the earliest in the narrative). Think it was mostly a backwater which is why Marcion fled there but then Kane's "Grand Gesture" made it more of a focal point by the time of the Third Tib War. They are listed as a GDI country in the first game but after the Białystok Scandal we get a listing of dozens of GDI bases and none are in Australia so I switched them to neutral.

[@iskoconquers]

@@SvenVanDerPlank I see... was curious since that thought came up

[@DeusEversor]

Parallel, yep, tiberian sun a bit too, first gdi campaign, then nod capaign.

[@Zaptagious]

I love the effort you put into these videos! C&C lore is just so fascinating. Never considered the events of both campaigns actually belonging to one cohesive storyline, but there you go :)

[@SvenVanDerPlank]

Thank you. As a lore junkie I agree of course. I made a write-up a couple years back on Reddit about how the campaigns slot together, though I've tweaked it a bit since then.

[@RealEnerjak]

It's interesting to note that Renegade takes place between the last 4 missions in the GDI campaign.

[@ShahjahanMasood]

It is very interesting watching these non-Battletech videos. They don't pale in quality at all compared to the incredible work you put out nowadays. I'll be binging these over the week whenever I jog.

[@Xaoc2sqaure]

Good Job man! I've always been a fan of the idea of both campaings being canon! Also good work on fitting the renegade & covert ops story into this one. It brings me a lot of joy seeing people putting this much love and work into this franchise :). Thanks and keep it up!

[@Xaoc2sqaure]

Oh! And yeah, destroying the Eifel Tower should definitely be the canon choice, haha!

[@SvenVanDerPlank]

You mean Paris Tower of course... In the past I've always said it was between that and Brandenburg since the White House and Houses of Parliament are in Tib Wars. Unless they rebuild them brick for brick I can't see how it can be them. The Paris Tower was what the cutscene select plays by default so that's what I went with. Also I just don't see the Brandenburg Gate being on the same level so it makes less sense as a target since they're purely landmarks and not military installations.

[@Xaoc2sqaure]

@@SvenVanDerPlank I feel like I am missing a reference.

[@SvenVanDerPlank]

RA2 features a bunch of famous landmarks that for licencing reasons are given different names such as "Generic World Famous Museum" and "Arch of Non-Specific Victory."

[@THEZOD]

Very nice video, I like the way you linked all the in-game videos with the events on the world map

[@SvenVanDerPlank]

Thank you, I felt the video would have been a bit dry without them but I found it nearly impossible to read and watch the vids at the same time so I wasn't sure if others would find them distracting. There were a few I wish I could have included from the late game like the orca, the obelisk and the stealth tank but as I added more maps I had to make space and so they got cut.

[@jurajhezel942]

Wow... I love this... Hats off for your time invested. I'd say it was well worth it! That song is so ambient and so mystic... Perfect fit! I was absolutely lost in this... Don't even know how did those 15 minutes passed by 😅 Your content is top noch. Homework done great I think 😉👍

[@SvenVanDerPlank]

Thank you, I'm glad you enjoyed it.

[@CnCDune]

The TS menu track; chilling.

[@SvenVanDerPlank]

It's one of my favourite tracks from any soundtrack. When I played the Remasters last year I was really surprised at just how bad the Tiberium Crisis gets in the first game because I didn't really recall it featuring that heavily. When I was editing this video I wanted to emphasise that the war is almost nothing more than a backdrop to the planet dying off. Thought the Tib Sun menu theme fit that tone perfectly.

[@CnCDune]

@@SvenVanDerPlank Finished watching the video; wonderfully put together, kinda wish the RA1 lore video you made was just like this one. Well, the pieces that go together without too much lore conflicts...

[@SvenVanDerPlank]

If there's an interest I could do Red Alert as well. I think with RA I was trying to prove a point about how the two campaigns work together (up until half way), whereas these days its just widely accepted in the fandom that the Tib Dawn campaigns don't contradict each other. There used to be an attitude of "if it's Nod, it doesn't matter" as far as the lore was concerned.

[@CnCDune]

@@SvenVanDerPlank Well, there's certainly interest for the RA1 lore video from me :) But for the next times maybe mention the mission names/codenames if applicable somewhere in small print that's not noticeable, but still readable?

[@SvenVanDerPlank]

That's a good suggestion, I'll be sure to do that next time.

[@daenghasriofficial]

First tiberium war was actually 1997 or 2019 ? Some source (even your earlier video) states 1997, but this one 2019. Which one is the correct date ? I still think the 1997 seems more canon, as tiberium landed in 1995, 2 years of gap for it to discovered as deadly makes more sense.

[@tholdme85]

Very cool. I'm always a big fan of having all the campaigns be canon in strategy games. It feels less compelling playing a particular campaign when you know that, according to the official story, it never happened (such as the Nod campaign in Tib Sun).

[@MpfiveDeacon]

Love the work and quality, can't wait for more.

[@cursedpaladin1035]

That is a brilliant video! Will there be about second tib war?

[@SvenVanDerPlank]

If people like the concept then yeah. I'll probably break it down into three vids though: Interwar Years & the Nod Reunification War, the Second Tiberium War, and the Firestorm Crisis.

[@blackops9operation75]

9:03 Yay, GDI liberate Egypt! 9:08 Oh come on!

[@ElectroFeel]

I had the same idea. Damn, this is so underrated

[@VitaminJ7734]

This is incredible. Thanks for this.

[@SvenVanDerPlank]

No problem, glad you enjoyed it.

[@DeusEversor]

Ohhhh this is so good, although id just throw renegade onto trash bin, but you made it fit just ok

[@red-silver5521]

Well made!

[@SvenVanDerPlank]

Thank you, glad you thought so.

[@blackops9operation75]

13:24 Let's go clean up what Seth done to Africa.

[@justjoking5841]

Looking forward to the Tiberian Sun campaign map! :D

[@SvenVanDerPlank]

I've done about half of them, but decided to work on RA1 first instead.

[@YamiAi]

Cool stuff.

[@ServantOfOdin]

You plan on doing something akin for TibSun/Firestorm, aka the Second Tiberium War?

[@ReviveHF]

I always think that 2019 was the date where the 1st Tiberium War began, by judging the availability of Wolverine prototypes, Ion Cannon and Stealth Tanks. There's no way for everyone had access to these tech back in 1995. Also the Great World War 2 in Red Alert 1 might took place in late 1960s, because many of the in game units might be prototypes in real life such as MBT70(precursor to the M1 Abrams), AH56 helicopter(precursor to the Apache helicopter). On the other hand, some WW2 era equipment were still in use such as Iowa Class battleships and Skyrider prop aircraft(analogy to the Yak fighter in game).

[@SvenVanDerPlank]

I prefer the later date chiefly for the 'Tech reasons too. I've also thought about the Apaches and Abrams before and thought that the RA1 War might have gone for over a decade stretching from 50s to 60s. You see various single barreled tanks in the cutscenes so though they might look alike in gameplay, it seems there was an evolution during the war.

[@ReviveHF]

@@SvenVanDerPlank About many people thought about the Philidelphia Space Station and Kodiak in 2030, the most viable way to explain these is to say that GDI already begun their development since 1995 but it will them took more than 20 years to put them into service. On the other hand, according to General Jack Granger, he said that he fought Nod some 28 years ago. So, We can safely assume that GDI and Nod started proxy wars or small skirmishes in 2018, one year before the 1st Tib War.

[@SvenVanDerPlank]

He said that in 2047. 28 years earlier was 2019.

[@ReviveHF]

@@SvenVanDerPlank Very likely he fought side by side with General Solomon and Havoc. Also, he may even personally involved in rescuing Mc Neil brothers. A real hero.

[@realah3001]

Cool

[@ViGsT]

Peace through power!

[@Taki_4869]

Tiberium is the Answer!

[@blackops9operation75]

Tiberian War is a inevitable.

[@blackops9operation75]

2:56 Although it was a failed operation to stop the Brotherhood of Nod HQ. To early!!!!

[@blackops9operation75]

13:00 I don't get that part.

[@MarqFJA87]

I believe it's a reference to one of the Covert Operations, "The Tiberium Strain", where you play as Nod and are tasked with all of the GDI-controlled Bio-Research Centers while leaving all other GDI structures intact, contaminating the base and nearby civilian towns while making it look like an accident happened with GDI's experimentation with the volatile chemicals (for ion research), thus framing GDI for reckless endangerment.

[@blackops9operation75]

@@MarqFJA87 I rather stick with the new version aka Tiberian Dawn: First Tiberium War Timeline (Every Day) instead because of the 2019 thingy was a confusing.

[@MarqFJA87]

@@blackops9operation75 The new version isn't mutually exclusive with the Covert Operations, even if it left them out for some reason.

[@bobyork6248]

and to think this would have been my life if i was born to this universe.

[@mkvector9539]

Now do TibSun timeline.

[@Railgun-k9g]

NO FREAKIN WAY I FOUND THIS..NO..MY DREAMS HAVE BEEN FUFILLED

[@xXItzERRONBLACK]

Please create. Second Tiberium War and the Third Tiberium War 🫶🫶🫶🫶

[@SvenVanDerPlank]

I made a text version of the Nod Reunification War and Second Tiberium War 5+ years ago. If you search the C&C subreddit you can probably find it. Unfortunately, I'm no plans to do any more C&C content on the channel in the near future.

[@brandonvortex995]

Malaysia was part of GDI? I was thought they neutral, never join the conflict to fight the NOD just a humanitarian aid in other countries.

[@SvenVanDerPlank]

They are GDI aligned at the start of the war but no GDI bases are listed in Malaysia after the Białystok Scandal (nearby Indonesia has at least three). In theory they could be anything once the war begins, that's why I focused the map only on the regions we know about.

[@jamesperkins191]

LOL Western Sahara marked as neutral... I'd be almost certain that Polisario would be Nod-affiated in this timeline

[@MarqFJA87]

Hold up! Tiberian Sun is explicitly set in 2030, and specifically says that the First Tiberium War ended "30 years ago". No way is the 2019-2022 date range even remotely possible, to say nothing of the other arguments that had been put forth by others to debunk the validity of said date.

[@SvenVanDerPlank]

When does Tib Sun specifically say that? From memory the game only says IT is set in 2030. There is a developer interview released years before Renegade where he said that was the intention. But since the game's themselves don't canonise that the devs are free to change it for Renegade at a later date. Assuming they did, I don't even necessarily agree one way or the other regarding the dates for Tib Dawn and Renegade.

[@MarqFJA87]

@@SvenVanDerPlank From the Tiberian Sun manual, there's a section titled "Datalogue of Past Conflict" that has the sub-heading "Twentieth Century Conflict" for the First Tiberium War (specifically stating that it "originated in the late twentieth century."), with the next sub-heading being "Twenty-First Century Conflict" that discusses what happened *after* TibWar1 ended. There are also multiple references to "decades" having passed between the two conflict, or Nod and GDI having "invested many decades into the research of Tiberium"; in my experience, such phrases is used when at least *three* decades has passed. Additionally, the manual states that GDI was formed "forty five years ago" (working back from the given current date of 2030, this should give us a founding date of 1985; I assume that this is a simple mistake, because people have made worse mistakes when doing off-hand mental calculations). And if we're going to use the Renegade manual as a source, it clearly states that GDI was founded in 1995 specifically as a response to Nod's rising threat; if we are to take the 2020 date from the same source as gospel and not as a typo for "2002", then the only way to reconcile it with the clear statement from Tiberian Dawn's GDI ending that TibWar1 had been going on for "more than three years" is either the conflict had been raging for over a decade, or GDI had been sitting around doing nothing for over a decade before finally waging a 3-4 year long war against Nod. Given that this manual is either contradicting itself or severely undermining GDI's credibility, I feel very confident in my decision to take it with a huge grain of salt. Honestly, the wiki's date range for TibWar 1 (1997 - circa 2000s) is very reasonable given all the information we have.

[@SvenVanDerPlank]

I understand why you think that, and you aren't wrong because there isn't a right answer, but all your arguments there could be rewritten as WW2 started in 1933 when Nazi Germany came to power. Nod rises to prominence with the arrival of Tiberium in the 90s. GDI and Nod can be opposed without being actively at war. All the references to them researching or being in conflict still work that way, plus it allows you the flexibility to work in all the evidence that points to Tib Dawn being later. Again, the timeline is a mess, every argument for or against has a counterargument. It's all interpretation and I tried to find one that fit the most. I don't necessarily agree now with what I said then.

[@MarqFJA87]

@@SvenVanDerPlank I get where you're coming from even though I don't agree with the arguments behind this version's date range. Honestly, in hindsight, I should've waited until I saw the newer version of your timeline before I wrote anything, insteading of assuming that it would've used the same date range.

[@blackops9operation75]

1:18 Nod in America?!?!? Lol, I am laughing that part.

[@RealEnerjak]

It's not crazy if you think about it. There's already far left and far right extremists here already.

[@blackops9operation75]

I think you might wondering why is that part and I find it misleading. I’m not upset, c&c Tiberian Dawn take place in a fictional world rather in real life. It was based of the Bosnia conflict, outbreak 1995, Dune, and desert storm. For 2019 part, that year was a EA retcon thingy.

[@StealthBlackHand]

first tib war was not 2019 despite what renegade manual claims

[@physicalgrafiti12345]

Keep calm, and destroy all Nod Terrorists.

[@blackops9operation75]

Jesus, Nod forces in Africa is growing like angry bulldogs. Over hours ago, our intel reports that there numbers of Nod Light Tanks invading every African landscape.

[@blackops9operation75]

No need to bother you Plank, although the first Tiberian war was occurred between 1997 rather than 2019. If both GDI and Nod start the first Tiberian war late then it would be a last minutes to drop a war.

[@SvenVanDerPlank]

Yeah, I had a long conversation with a few people on Reddit and discord on this issue. Myself and a few others were starting to think that Renegade (which is dated 2020) might not be TW1 like many assume. There's lots to suggest otherwise.

[@blackops9operation75]

@@SvenVanDerPlank My thought it should take place during another tiberian world where the first war started to late.

[@blackhand1193]

The matter of when First Tiberium War started, seems a matter of retcon done none other than during the twilight of Westwood themselves. C&C 3 just accepted and nailed it.

[@blackops9operation75]

@@blackhand1193 I rather stick with the late 90s instead. My perspective, it would confused the whole story like, "how the hell did world stays in the 90s" or "where did we left off to 2019?" There are lots of questioning when does the first Tiberian war started, and there is no answer how it could start that late. It might be where the Allies win after Red Alert 2 where it delayed the first Tiberian war, or probably some time sequences problem or perhaps it might be a Renegade version of Tiberian Dawn. But I prefer late 90s seems to be more nominal rather than delaying the war.

[@blackhand1193]

@@blackops9operation75 Nah, not RA2. That's clearly not in same timeline with Tiberian one. Even WW themselves scrapped the plan to link RA2 directly to Tiberium(Renegade 2). Though Adam Isgreen told about scrapped TT plot that GDI accidentally activates RA1 Chronosphere and send Yuri(who was one of Nod's paychic soldier) back in time, branching another parallel history. It's one's on taste to take when FTW happened now because it was vague even back than and we won't get the clear answer unless EA decides to do something with franchise.