Swiss 1929 Simplified Luger (Yes, Swiss and Simplified)

[@haroldellis9721]

The Swiss simplified and cheapened something? Where are The Swiss, and what have you done to them?

[@CrysResan]

Clearly some sort of dark sorcery is at work here.

[@charleslindberg829]

Needs more views and likes. 👍👌👌

[@That_NJ_guy]

Simplified for mass production not because they wanted it to be cheap but that's a pros of it being mass-produced, lower cost. lugers originally were too finicky and hand fitted so the Swiss try to fix that problem. It's also not loved for being in .30 cal

[@VonRammsteyn]

Jajajajajaja

[@bobmartin9918]

@@That_NJ_guy r/whoooosh

[@simonegentilini4814]

Simplified Swiss Luger? Wait, that's illegal

[@borismuller86]

There actually isn’t any way of saying “reduced machining time” in Swiss.

[@tankadar]

CHI È QUEL MONA CHE SBATTE LA PORTA!

[@simonegentilini4814]

@@tankadar No nessuno, GUN JESUS, no nessuno!

[@demtricolor]

GESTAPO OPEN UP

[@Matt_The_Hugenot]

If we make these pistols simpler then we can make our rifles even more complex.

[@coolspruta]

To put things into perspective: The 1929 Luger was finally replaced by something cheap and easy to make: the P210

[@33Luger]

Cheap? My last Swiss 210 cost me $2100 used!

[@PrawnzHD]

@@33Luger Thats his point

[@florihae]

@@33Luger #woosh

[@nathanauguste9696]

Ahahaha nice one

[@georgesheffield1580]

The very best of the variation of the Browning tilting barrel pistol

[@StrangerOman]

I like how they simplify serration on the controlling parts, but keep deep crisp serrated Swiss shield logo.

[@CHmale81]

One has to have priorties

[@brianmeehan3359]

My wife is swiss-i have her grandfathers original wartime issue Luger in the original holster. Great gun. Didnt realise that the month/year of manufacture was stamped inside, must check next time i clean it. Thanks for the video, very interesting

[@theshadowrunner28]

Did you fund out the month/year yet?

[@richardtaylor1652]

The Swiss complaining about a weapon being too expensive is like the Germans complaining about something is too efficient.

[@grafstaufenberg3030]

Jawohl !

[@TheArklyte]

Or too cubic. Or has three times as much parts as it needs...

[@cnlbenmc]

Or it should really make you stop and think for a moment about something being so complicated and expensive that even the Swiss were taken aback.

[@bartlago5466]

It is too expensive for the Swiss!

[@stephenle-surf9893]

Or the British being supplied with to much tea!🧐

[@jameshuggins4118]

Swiss not making something over complicated, “Science forbids this”

[@ivanlagrossemoule]

Well that rule was written in German so obviously the French speakers didn't understand it.

[@earlmcmanus194]

@Charlie K , How about watches?

[@Cypress-r2u]

Now it comes with 100 tools inside

[@matthewcairns9237]

Clorox Bleach The law states that we need to have a corkscrew in every gun.

[@secretbaguette]

Pretty sure they confused Swedes for Swiss.

[@CHmale81]

I am Swiss and I absolutly love this comment section. And coincidentally I just cam from the range shooting my Luger 1929 in a competion (Feldstich 164 out of 180 possible at 25 Meters)

[@C.A.O.]

@toeff7852 50 Meter is still possible, it's btw where I developed my love for the Luger. Got one handed at a Feldschiessen, and managed to get the card at 50 Meters

[@sublissimo]

Germany: *crafting of firearms becomes banned* The Swiss: "Fine, i'll do it myself"

[@n00btotale]

Forged by the dwarves of Moria and folded 1,000 times...

[@thecanucklehead3034]

Every now and then I find myself bingeing on this channel. Theres something so interesting about the history of different guns. The design, engineering, the personalities that develop them, theres so much to get into.

[@incapableunicorn8252]

Germans: This is ze pinnacle of german engineering Swiss: Hand me my army knife

[@CHmale81]

I am so gona steal this quote, thank you Sir

[@thebotrchap]

The extractor claw is also a bit beefier compared to an 00/06 or 00/06W+F (NOT 06/24). The simplifications brought costs down significantly from 225CHF per pistol to 160CHF.

[@jerichooo271]

Plus the cam shape that the toggle rides on is a bit different. Maybe to be a bit "softer" on the toggle, or simply as a manufacturing simplification.

[@RedXlV]

I'd never even given any thought to Lugers having that "toe" at the bottom of the grip. But damn, it makes them dramatically less attractive to remove that tiny feature.

[@barrystroud4465]

I looked up the word "oxymoron" on wikipedia, but all I found was a link to this video...

[@borokid19]

They switched the grip from milk to dark chocolate? Travesty! I didn't know these existed. Thank you for showing me another old firearm to lust after.

[@mooeggroll3830]

Your comment is displaying as MY comment from another video, until I open the thread. Wtf KZbin?

[@infinity001plus1]

@@mooeggroll3830 holy crap, mine too!

[@Thekaiserwill]

“Swiss Luger” Means it comes with a little fold out toothpick and Philips screwdriver

[@That_NJ_guy]

Good joke but no. Lol

[@P99AT]

That's what that extra pin in the floorplate is.

[@Cypress-r2u]

You forgot about the fold out knife

[@genericpersonx333]

Making the grip safety bigger was good, but the thing about the open-sided version was that all you had to do to clean it out was scoop quickly down the side. The newer grip requires disassembly or a lot of water being poured through the little holes awkwardly. A minor consideration also is that when gripped, the palm of a right-handed person covers the open side of the safety and if dragging yourself along the ground with a gripped pistol, you would be placing the gun down on its left side anyways. A real improvement would have been to enclose it completely.

[@Qardo]

Sure it is a "Swiss Simplified" Luger. Though the history is convoluted. My head is spinning trying to figure out the reason why the Swiss made the Luger over any other handgun. So this is still very Swiss.

[@nickerickson7902]

Better then their revolvers, just seemed the best available, other then Luger the only good choices were Brownings or Steyr

[@Qardo]

@@nickerickson7902 Hey I am not saying they did nothing wrong. Though it is Swiss. When is anything simple?

[@skepticalbadger]

It was 1899 when they started looking. What else was out there other than revolvers? C96, C93, Bergmanns..

[@nickerickson7902]

@@skepticalbadger oh, im thinking 1900-1906 good point

[@DebatingWombat]

Yeah, being a first mover can suck; just ask the French... *cough* M1886 Lebel *cough*

[@johnplayer3093]

Swiss? SIMPLIFIED!? The end is near

[@That_NJ_guy]

I mean they would make the p210 afterwards...

[@That_NJ_guy]

@toeff7852 the machining required to make a p210 isn't quite easy to do for a browning action. It's an excellent firearm but I wouldn't recommend it be a service handguns but that is what the Swiss do. It's more of a target shooting handgun and this is why it is still loved today. The German are the same but I at least enjoy Swiss arms, I don't have much experience with German arms.

[@blackirish781]

I love every video from "fireplace guy's" collection!

[@SOMeDoOD1992]

Imagine the Swiss making something simpler than the original design... *brain explodes*

[@DumbCreature]

It's not simpler, it's MORE EFFICIENT.

[@georgesheffield1580]

Yankees ego

[@robertborgeson1821]

I love that black bakelite version more than probably any other Luger I've ever seen. It's a badazzs Luger. No fancy stuff. Simple machining. No checkering. Straight black. Just works. Kind of the antithesis of most lugers.

[@Zeoxis6]

4:45 I heard that Ian, now I know your secret. Your'e a time travelling, gun-collecting wizard that practices salvation on the side. I'm onto you.

[@happykiller14]

Yes please. Ian please lean into this persona

[@aishalotter9995]

The checkering as you call it is called knurled in engineering knurl , knurling , knurled . Just so that you know coz I hear you say all sorts for this patterning and it grins my ear m8 !!! You sir are the G.O.A.T. of guns and ammo !!! Keep up the excellent work Gun Jesus !!! Always a thumbs up on me on every video !!!

[@cannonfodder4376]

Simplified Swiss Luger!? Gott im Himmel how is that even possible?

[@killersalmon4359]

Two words. Random. Mutation.

[@kevinoliver3083]

Don't worry, Colonel Furrer 'redeemed' himself by designing the Swiss Army's first submachine gun; the absurdly complicated and expensive MP 41/44. With a toggle-lock!

[@carlnewman7096]

I love nerding out over Lugers, Mouser C96s & Walther PP/ PPK pistols, & Ian's vast knowledge is a pleasure to listen to & watch. Great channel Ian, keep up the great work mate.😎👍🏻

[@kostis2849]

That red plastic. I have seen it in the (german) Arriflex 35mm film camera (of about the same time period) used in a sacrificial gear, so when the film jams, it would not mash all the internal gears pushing the film. Interesting.

[@LN997-i8x]

I wonder if that red rubber was the same as the stuff used on the Schmidt-Rubin bolt handles?

[@pLAST3RdISAST3R]

Well the sig pro SP 2009 was a simplified M75 (P220) based design that cut the cost in half & made it more reliable at the same time. It's an almost Forgotten Weapon made by the Swiss at SiG in the late 90's & is my absolute favorite weapon of choice.

[@NookyAvenger]

Shooting mine every year at the "Tir en campagne" with great results.

[@tswan62]

Man, fireplace guy never fails to provide the goods

[@FactualPine3]

I'm gunsmith on Swiss Army and the Swiss emblem on the top is the Logo for WaffenFabrik Bern. Likewise, you can see W+F for Waffenfabrik Bern on guns after ww2. All Swiss weapons is so wonderfull. I like to sit on chair and just watch... disassemble or use it :D

[@craigkaschan4822]

Most favourite gun ever made. Just the look and feel is incredible.

[@natsyrte]

Excellent timing for the spring popular vote that takes place on sunday ! The swiss people will be voting on a (light) gun ban. This video makes me happy, thanks Ian. Proud owner of the 06/29 myself, from Geneva. By the way, we call them Parabellum, here, not Luger. Also, "ch" is pronounced "sh" in german, so Sicherheit is something like "zisher-hite". (And Mannlicher is *not* pronounced "man-licker"...)

[@cooliobob1274]

The civilian holster may have a little felt strip and different colors but it doesn't have rivets in high stress areas like the military holster does.

[@AmishSpecialForces]

I really wouldn't say that the Swiss "simplified" the Luger, more like they made the production of the Luger more efficient, simplification was a byproduct of this. There, that sounds more "Swiss-like".

[@mxblyxky]

It was with one of these Luger P06 that a crime was committed in the French Alps, near the border with Switzerland, on the road from the village of Chevaline south of Lake Annecy, in September 2012, where a British family of Arab origin of three people and a passing French cyclist were murdered. Two children in the family survived. 25 rounds of 7.65 caliber were fired. The weapon was identified as a Luger P06 because a piece of the stock broke off when one of the victims was hit on the head with the handle of the gun. The killer has not been identified and the weapon has not been found.

[@hp9mm]

Nice info, Mine is a Military one from 10.1939 in the 57*** serial range.

[@allangarrett6251]

By far the best I've seen on the subject. Thank you!

[@ron827]

Swiss simplified is an oxymoron but I love anything made by the Swiss, especially their straight pull rifles.

[@thechilledonion9313]

My K31 agrees.

[@ron827]

@@thechilledonion9313 Did you find the troop tag under the butt plate as I did?

[@l.h.9747]

Realy they had straight pull rifles ? I only know we had them in austria

[@astokras2877]

@@l.h.9747 Yep mousqueton k11 & k31

[@ReaperCH90]

@@astokras2877 i have my grandfather's 31 in top condition and damn does it shoot smoothly

[@andywander]

What was the point of thee half-moon trigger on the original?

[@UnrelatedNonsense]

I love my 06/24 luger. Very finely crafted handgun!

[@Braun30]

I have the same book shown on the side, actually signed by Mr. Bobbia. He gave a very interesting conference in Mendrisio in 2007 on the toggle system.

[@UltraSuperDuperFreak]

S works for quite a few contries more then just those tree. The nordic contries for one , Italy, Romanie, Bosnia, Croatia, and if you just meant language largely spoken, works for Spanish aswell . :)

[@Ratrazor]

That is a nice collection of old lugers there, and even holsters I hope someday to be able to own one of those.

[@GrimHellscream]

Just an absolutely great breakdown of the history behind this firearm. This is why I sub to this channel.

[@nahnahahaah6265]

I love the Germanic pragmatism of understanding that going from a 5 digit serial number to a 6 ditto would incur an extra cost and generally be an inconvenience, enough that they would delay such an event until the last possible moment by using every available number in the 5 digit range.

[@johncashwell1024]

Great work Ian! I will definitely be buying 1 or 2 soon and now I have great information that I can trust. Thank you for your excellent research and excellent delivery of the relevant information!

[@HomercidalOne]

Fireplace friend has an amazing collection.

[@jasonalmendra3823]

What? Swiss? Simplified? Not over-engineered? HERESY!!!

[@thewidgetmachine]

Cavasite is also known as SRBF (synthetic resin bonded fabric) or TUFNOL. I believe it’s a bit like the Duriplast they used to make Trabant body panels out of. It’s still commercially available so someone could potentially restore one, though I don’t know how easy it is to work with.

[@user-dq6wh5kj7t]

Such beautiful pistols

[@rogerjohnson8707]

I have been drinking this evening and I don't think I'll be able to keep this straight in my head later.

[@CaptainGrief66]

6:40 _Also italian and every Spanish-like language_

[@Hopeofmen]

They may be simpler, but they're still beautiful. 😁

[@bradlybellant3975]

4:46 confirmed he his either immortal or a time traveler no one will ever know because this video is a year old

[@silverfingerthesilverstack5062]

The tiny spring behind the grip safety on my 1929 broke and I was gutted, I then made one out of memory foam hidden behind the safety, it cannot be seen and it works better than the original.

[@jimandaubz]

That safety change to a S is definitely simpler then the machined track on the original Luger. The s is a simple stamp, the other requires an expensive end mill that's prone to breaking under modern computer control.

[@gabrielinostroza4989]

Delicious, delicious Bakelite. The most aesthetic kind of furniture there is.

[@nettles89]

Looks like they also deleted the lanyard loop, which represents a surprising savings in machining costs, I'm sure.

[@GR46404]

Darnit, Ian, now I want a Swiss Luger. Do you have any idea what those cost?! People want $150 for a Swiss CLEANING ROD!

[@brandongibson6107]

I have a 1924 Swiss Luger. Love it !!!

[@taylorp.2872]

the luger, so well engineered, even the swiss had to dumb it down.

[@thewidgetmachine]

I used to shoot with a guy who had a Swiss Luger in 7.65 Luger. Though I remember it being virtually sanitised, I believe it only had a serial number in one place, on the back of the toggle and nothing else. He surmised that it was either a parts bin build on a sneaky persons gun.

[@lubossoltes321]

Well the grip safety was not exactly an improvement I'd say. On the one side, it really makes it harder for dirt to get under the safety but on the other side it makes it much harder to diagnose and clean when it happens.

[@cavvieira]

I really weep that there aren't any more toggle locked pistols today. The design is absolutely beautiful.

[@g0679]

Golly, Ian. I wish I had what it took to do what you do. Even so, I’m blessed. With a wee bit of experience, and an undying interest. I will be selling all my firearms soon, but will get to enjoy rentals at a nearby shooting range (full-auto, even). Best Wishes from Hogtown, Florida.

[@electrichellion5946]

g0679 - bummer having to sell your babies. Will you be selling locally or with an auction house or perhaps online commission style through Gun Broker or another seller?

[@g0679]

Electric Hellion Broker.

[@Za7a7aZ]

Just visited the lugerman site..jeeezz....now i understand why it is important to finish college..

[@SergeantZeta]

I didn't know the Swiss made BLACK WIDOW Lugers!!!

[@Breakfast_and_Bullets]

The Luger has long been one of my favorite pistol designs. Not necessarily for mechanical or operational reasons, I just find them beautiful. Now, I like the later-production WFB Lugers even more than German P08's.

[@PRACERZ]

As ALWAYS, another great vid, thanks Ian !!

[@TyCetto]

6:36 S is also for "sikret" in Danish, "säkrad" in Swedish and "sikret" in Norwegian... :-)

[@daniele0375]

And "sicura" in italian

[@TrangleC]

Not sure I agree with the grip safety being improved that way. Sure, on the original it is easier to get stuff in there, but it is also easy to spot and clear, on top of it being more likely to shake lose on its own. If you get something into the Swiss version, how are you going to get it out of there?

[@DatBoi-mo9vc]

These are such pretty pistols

[@alexsoklakov7454]

And after finishing that gun, designer was exiled from Switzerland on basis of "simplifying things that no swiss citizen dared to simplify"

[@thecamperguy1234]

Additionally this isn’t the only time the Swiss simplified something. They did the same in the K31 they modified their k11 rifles to be more efficient and cost effective while creating a stronger action that maintained the accuracy of the long gewer 1911.

[@loupiscanis9449]

Thank you , Ian .

6:35 - Presumably "S" working out for "Sicuro" in Italian as well was probably a more important aspect than for the English word on a gun intended for use in Switzerland...

[@That_NJ_guy]

People want German lugers more because 9mm and WW1 and WW2. I want a Swiss luger for the Swiss collection. Lol

[@geetskeet5411]

>swiss >simplified HmMmmMMmmMmmMmMm

[@petesheppard1709]

I was expecting modifications to the action and lockwork. That straight frontstrap really looks odd to my eye. When you showed the Luger next to the M49 (P210), I couldn't help but wonder if there was much comment made about the 'weird' grip angle of the new pistol.

[@user-oi8sq6ci8j]

That walled grip safety may prevent more from getting in but it also makes anything stuck in a lot harder to get out. Seems kinda pointless.

[@juancarlossegadecanosa67]

They also get rid of the lanyard ring?

[@Rehteal]

All this got me really curious as to how much it would cost to obtain a functioning Luger (in any caliber, any year) *Looks it up* Guess I'll continue not owning one.

[@lucianene7741]

The only way to simplify a Luger is to make it delayed-blowback instead of recoil operated. That toggle lock is perfect for that, I never understood why they bothered with a moving barrel.

[@jeffreymcinnes2458]

Interesting, in Canada these are more expensive than the German Lugers. German P08 will go for around $ 1800. Swiss 1906 pattern is $ 2500 and a 1929 runs about $2200

[@endutubecensorship]

Doesn't matter who made it, Luger are beautiful😍

[@jimbreedlove1342]

Ian wish you would do one on super mags. 357 445 441 360 dan wesson and so on. People have really forgotten them.

[@ojjenkins7110]

I did enjoy it. Thanks Ian

[@Pitchlock8251]

Hell if it showed up in my local gun shop, I'd buy it up.

[@pericodelospalotes5738]

6:41 And Spanish (seguro) Portuguese (seguro) even in Italian (sicuro)

[@Texas_Red_01]

Ian, you mention the plastic magazine floor plates being broken by dropping on a cement range floor. That makes me think: Of all of the old handguns you've shot in a match (on video, of course), I don't recall ever seeing you compete with a Luger. Have you, and I just overlooked it? If not, please consider doing so.

[@GOREilla.]

A black one is a dream!

[@proonguice8386]

Do you conceal carry Ian? Both of us being from AZ I’m just curious, as a lot of people carry here. I have it stuck in my head that you jam a giant Josyln army revolver type pistol in your waist band every morning. My ultimate dream is that you witness some sort of crime that you halt by firing a black Powder pistol inside a Little Caesars Pizza and we get to see the cctv footage. Love your work Amigo.

[@charlesmartel9502]

Ian, was there a dimensional change to the frame at the top rear (behind the surfaces which cam open the toggle) between the 06/24 (Bern-marked) Lugers and the simplified versions? One looks shorter (fore-aft) than the other, behind the toggle grips.

[@ancientsociety79]

Checks prices... Well, here's another wish list gun

[@tyrant2all892]

Hello Ian, I know this is an older video but thought you might have some info. I have talked to luger collectors and looked in luger books and online with no luck. I have a swiss luger that was produced on Feb 1940. It is stamped inside the frame where you mention in your video. The strange thing about it, is that it is serial number 58xxx and is in 9mm parabellum with the serial number on the barrel. It also has the proof mark you show in your video for when bern fit 9mm barrels for private sale. There is no large "P" mark anywhere on the gun nor is there a "P" proceeding the serial number. Do you know of any 9mm pistols that were produced in 1940 for the military serial number range?

[@revolverDOOMGUY]

S stand for safe in italian too: "Sicura". In most west europe tongues the S and F letters will work.

[@stormthrush37]

Next up in paradoxical guns: the Kalashnikov complexified Luger.

[@FrancoisBourque]

I own a 1917 DWM luger, I also used to have a 1941 BYF and neither had the grip safety...what's the story with grip safety? I used to think lugers didn't have those thanks