Swiss ALPENFLAGE 4K Camo Test

[@armyand_Outdoors]

Hey guys we've had all sorts of feedback with previous videos from obstructed too much, need more in the open to not hiding enough. Baring in mind as always, cameras don't match anywhere near the focal distance the human eye does so we purposely take these incredibly close quarters (in context of combat) and with little to no cover to see how the pattern stacks up 👌

[@BlokeontheRange]

Good demo. By the way, TAZ83 was the non-infantry uniform, infantry stayed with the load-bearing jackets until after the Stgw 90 introduction, and TAZ90 was/is used with the Grundtrageinheit 90 conventional webbing. TAZ means "Tarnanzug", "camouflage suit" and refers to the cut of the uniform, not the pattern, for which we have yet to find an official name. There's also an awful lot of variation in colourways, I've got some TAZ83 where the red is almost mauve, and the other colours can vary quite a lot too leading to patterns of quite varied levels of overall contrast.

[@raffaelrohner503]

SigSauer S550 P90 ist der richtige Name für Stgw 90, oder?

[@armyand_Outdoors]

Appreciate the info bloke! Out of all the tubers on the internet, I'm glad to have you commenting on our Alpenflage vid of all things! ❤ Thats interesting as I didn't come across this info online and was speculating what the TAZ83 users would of had for load bearing. Appreciate the info! With all the surplus we have had in of both, the TAZ83 is super saturated (with some variance but nothing I'd consider too radical in change) and the older field uniforms always being more muted which I must say Im more of a fan of. If only we had a urban training facility torn up somewhere nearby....

[@raffaelrohner503]

@@armyand_Outdoors i unterstand okay thank you for TAZ83 Infos verry good Job

[@BlokeontheRange]

@@raffaelrohner503 Nein... Stgw 90 = SIG SG 550. Beide sind "richtig".

[@mysterioanonymous3206]

​​@@raffaelrohner503bei 90 handelt es sich um das Einführungsjahr. Darum hiess der Vorgänger Stgw. 57.

[@Tax_Collector01]

I think the red colors began to become imperceptible beyond 40 meters, at that point the pattern blended perfectly with the environment.

[@armyand_Outdoors]

the reds are very strong (and in my opinion waaay to strong on the later version) but do their job in a leafy environment well. I guess the real question is does it continue to break up the human form at realistic engagement distances - something that is very difficult to purvey in camera

[@Tax_Collector01]

@@armyand_Outdoors True, I suppose this pattern is just very specific and tailored for Switzerland. Red colors do have shorter wavelengths in relation to light so that could also explain why the reds were beginning to fade dramatically as the distance increased, but to be fair most of the colors in other camouflage patterns begin to fade at greater distances anyway.

[@grzegorzbrzeczyszczykiewic4061]

​@@armyand_Outdoors My jacket is darker.

[@0gkmedia0]

I did my first level service in that clothing. Was glad when I got the TAZ as it was much more confortable and handy.

[@elijahcunningham]

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[@armyand_Outdoors]

hey man really appreciate the kind feedback & all your patronage! Much love and we will continue to make the surp flow!

[@orionoutdoorsandworkshop5617]

works great in the n.e. u.s. blends awesome with fall berry bushes and small brush in clearcuts.

[@paddywonka]

Am very impressed !

[@jim-bob-outdoors]

Works quite well here in the UK. Mine was faded, so did a green overdye. Colours still show, but it blends in even better now.

[@armyand_Outdoors]

that'd be quite interesting to see your dye results!

[@jim-bob-outdoors]

@@armyand_Outdoors Dye video. kzbin.info/www/bejne/eoDTp6igoa6IiqMsi=6SE191WddGvv0COX

[@jim-bob-outdoors]

First outing after the colour change. kzbin.info/www/bejne/fX6tfHiOoJyFnZosi=Bc8CoHJDDwjoCvZu

[@armyand_Outdoors]

@@jim-bob-outdoors definitely a way to bring some more colour to a faded set. Well done!

[@kevinblackbird8302]

The Camo works very good in the beginning of fall season when the leaves turn different colors before they wither and fall.

[@armyand_Outdoors]

Can definitely think of a lot of places in the US these would work well in autumn, as well as Europe. Switzerland is ironically not the country I'd figured it'd be suited for with a lot of their defense focus in the treeless mountains

[@juang1574]

​@@armyand_Outdoorswell alpenflage is just a similar copy if a german leiber, probably suited for Germany

[@kansaspatriot2051]

The pre 83 series works great in the Fall woods here in Northeast Kansas. The red seems to stick out more in the Spring/Summer. The post 83 series is a more flexible pattern imo, but they both have their place.

[@gero3973]

Lost you at 2:25, well done mate. Loving the content!

[@armyand_Outdoors]

cheers mate!

[@Shot5hells]

Seems limited in NZ for functional camo purposes, but it’s definitely unique and you really put it to good use in this video! I ordered a tanker coverall, I figure if the colours turn out to be too bold I can experiment with dyeing it.

[@armyand_Outdoors]

definitely agree, lots of mid states in the US would have a wide range of terrain it would work in, not so much in our backyard so we did make an exception to 'cherry pick' for this one. There are some videos out there on dying these green, Id be curious to see some muted a bit with a brown dye - maybe a future vid! Hope you enjoy those coveralls!

[@appalachnik]

It seems that predominantly maple forests with oaks are where this is most efficient.

[@VTPSTTU]

Thanks for the video. I like the look of Alpenflage. Where I live, this would be ineffective for concealment, but I still think it looks great. Unfortunately, they don't make this kind of stuff in a size big enough for me.

[@Carris137]

Surprised it worked as well as it did. Biggest flaw isn’t the red but how dark it is

[@ypbd6943]

Its like a cut in to you being shot every time I'm in a wrinkle over here, beautiful camo tho !

[@Veaug]

Yeah well restock on Tropentarn please I need more sizes

[@notcata95]

you got me at 2:25 !

[@armyand_Outdoors]

that shot surprised us, didn't think with a mostly green backdrop it'd do any good at all. Goes to show underbrush still has to be taken into consideration

[@sergiofernandez4566]

nice one

[@jaycebenson5316]

The second scene made me laugh for some reason

[@elijahcunningham]

Yeah looked like he was taking a leak to me lol

[@armyand_Outdoors]

@@elijahcunningham ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh thats goooood

[@ernst-udopeters1637]

Surprising to me at least was the fact that the black in the pattern revealed the user's position. I guess it has something to do the with the shadows being unnatural to the rest of the terrain. Overall though, fairly effective.

[@armyand_Outdoors]

definitely, I tend to agree across the board on this, a darker brown would be nicer on most patterns instead of black

[@MartinRyner]

The red spots are there to camouflage against 1st generation infrared devices, there is a good video from Bloke ond the Range about this fact.

[@wagner1631]

It’s a good camouflage, but it’s the red stain that betrays in some places.

[@Panz82]

as a swiss i always questioned the red in the camo, i m absolutely dying to see your results!

[@aka_pierre]

I didn't see him at all at 2:07!

[@sonoitalianoful]

un po' la M45 tedesca della seconda guerra mondiale. comunque è una mimetica per ambienti tipici svizzeri

[@loriekaczmarek9788]

Seen you several times. Too much red. But if that red was toned down it be almost invisible mixed in with leaves.

[@armyand_Outdoors]

indeed, the red is very strong (the later TAZ83 version its turned up by 100 in intensity haha).

[@raffaelrohner503]

Make a 3d Ghilli Suite and perfekt

[@FlaviusChapeliusAluminus]

The red spots is what does not convince me it will work well.

[@herringbone5035]

Red appears brown to the human vision beyond 40 yards.

[@screamingeagles2670]

Yep, its cos the red isn't supposed to trick the human eye in the visible spectrum. As I understand it, the pattern was developed to combat gen I night vision. The red especially was picked to reflect(?)/absorb(?) the active light emitted by those early night visions, that is why the jacket includes a thermal veil to cover one's face while donning the hood, which is totally badass. Not all jackets had them but mine does and I run around with that thing on like I'm in assassins creed XD. If you think about the terrain these would operate in, namely the Swiss Alps, it isn't impossible to believe that there are some ares of red tinged lichen or just orangey mineral deposits among the barren rock faces. In the midwest where I live this camouflage is perfect for early fall to mid, where the dominant color in the forest is brown, orange, or even yellow. My forest is much more diverse in color during fall so its probably up to geography or timing. Either way I won't deny it's a niche pattern.

[@herringbone5035]

@@screamingeagles2670 I like it for here in Autumn in Virgina. It blends in well with the red leaves.

[@harrisdail9939]

Very few areas in North America will this work as intended the reds in it is way too bright and stand out

[@1lostinspace]

the red kills it

[@armyand_Outdoors]

very disruptive indeed!

[@ZIC_lone_bee]

guys stop making those bullshit tests without knowing this camo story. .this camo was made as first purpose to defeat night visions. and the military doctrine of that time was to fight mainly in night operations to compensate for the small size of the swiss army. so this camo is really particular in day time. but really really great for low light environments qnd night. and if you can find pictures or try it with night vision googles you will see how good he is for this purpose. curiosity: the actual camo of the swiss army is not nir compliant at all😅😅

[@armyand_Outdoors]

1-we're testing these in day time just for people to see how they stand up regardless of its supposed intent (as mentioned, NVG and the likes can be future videos) 2-we talk about what this pattern is like with Night vision and its origins in another video. Apart from its own history, IR and pattern effectiveness is a much more debated & contrived rabbit hole to go down

[@VinceMoran-en5sv]

It's not called alpenflage.