SwitchFest 2019 - CE | Joker (Samus) Vs. Demise | Nicko (Shulk) Top 16 - Smash Ultimate

[@Matter_Of_Fact]

CE Joker is sick af. As a fellow Samus main i love it

[@SailorWhyachi]

As a samus main *furiosly takes notes*

[@michaelchoi5247]

LOOL me too, I am a samus main and I am literally just seeing how much more depth this character has. Going to furiously practice this bitch now.

[@oakwooden]

Biggest tip I can give you (you might be better than me IDK lol) is your arm's a gun: use it. You can see by Joker's matches how important baby charge shot is to Samus's game plan in Ultimate. It can come out as early as frame 16, frame 3 during charging, you can cancel it by jumping (3 frames lag) or by charge canceling (5 frames lag). It only has 31 frames of endlag if you shoot it (compared to 60 - a full second of lag - if it's full charge). Compare this to Mario's fireball (17 startup, 49 endlag) and you can see how insane of a projectile it is. Since the more you charge it the more damage it does, and thus, the more hitstun it deals, you want to try to hit with medium charge or high (but not full) charge shots so you can confirm into follow ups - grab and dash attack are the easiest and most reliable. In general you want to avoid charging to full often because the increased endlag won't give you followups, and you'll lose pressure and movement options. Charge Shot is Samus's neutral - it's like her version of a safe tilt. Try to play at medium range, not cross-stage like the wi-fi samus stereotype. Use the threat of a charging shot to keep your opponent guessing when you're going to shoot it. Jump cancel it, charge cancel it, run back, b-reverse it, don't just always charge and shoot. Pay attention if they start jumping over it, then intercept them with forward air out of a charge. That's a sort of basic bread and butter for the character. Importantly: use your projectiles to cover your absurdly hard hitting normal moves. This is why you want to be at medium range, so you can "hunt them down" after shooting and kill with fair, bair, nair, etc. Practice b-reversing and charge canceling (tap and release shield within 5 frames while charging, very similar to short hopping) as these are your most important "advanced techniques" for Samus. Fortunately they are not too difficult. Hope that helps a lil bit.

[@FriedBacon88]

@@oakwooden do you have a go to video that illustrates all this? Thanks for the info by the way. I played samus back to back a few times against a friend and lost neutral a lot cuz i don't know squat about samus, but feeling her pressure game makes me want to give her more time. luigi main not tired of luigi but needs a tricky mental character to swap to. usually thats lucas but samus feels like harder hitting long legged version of him

[@oakwooden]

@@FriedBacon88 Yes, actually: kzbin.info/www/bejne/hqHOoIdqotiJqcU

[@zaos7321]

Well I'm a shulk main

[@scarr009]

Great commentary from Toasty. I appreciate hearing about the strengths and weaknesses of the characters and players.

[@lguy8476]

Joker played "perfectly" and still almost lost every game. He parried literally everything and his reads were really on point

[@ayar2]

the monado is ridiculous sometimes.

[@fr3tbuzz.]

power of the high tiers.....

[@selkirkswift]

The difference between being carried by a character and carrying your character to new heights

[@Turnpost2552]

Samus won wth are you talking about?

[@ayar2]

@@Turnpost2552 "almost lost"

[@DarkThomy]

That Samus is incredible... I mean, Joker is incredible ! Wasn't also a great samus japanese player at prime saga ?..

[@guillo8189]

Yb ! Is the japanese player at prime saga.

[@d.danger4335]

Yah and Joker is from mexico

[@TexteStyle]

Bruh Joker makes Nicko look like a noob

[@DrCorndog1]

"What a bunch o' jokers."

[@hazkeellcoreacorea6122]

Haha

[@zaos7321]

I really hope some more people got that

[@pondwithducks3092]

We got through that pretty good!

[@TheFenrirVII]

Nicko got punished like a thousand times when attacking Joker's shield with speed art on. Speed is no substitute for spacing and proper neutral...

[@icecatti]

This was a really really entertaining match. I haven't seen much competitive gameplay of these characters. It felt like Nicko was really hitting his stride in the last match - there is a lot of potential there. amazing parries and reads from Joker. Am I wrong in assuming Shulk is disadvantaged in this MU?

[@ethanrichmond6508]

I never see any Shulk mains use down b counter. This matchup could have used a few at the very least.

[@matthewduperon8807]

Its cause Shulk counter is crap. It has a chance of missing even when you land a hit unless you remember to hold the stick towards your opponent. Not to mention useless in the air.

[@phengmoua2389]

Shulk’s counter leaves him open.Easy to punish. Can’t afford to miss against a player like Joker

[@AndrewTheUltraBoss99]

I watched this video because I keep losing against samus as shulk and I wanted to learn how to counter her. now I understand that only doom awaits me. I think that even kome would have a hard time against samus

[@alexpalomares3466]

Play falco trust me he never loses

[@ayar2]

play fox, its one of samus worst matchup.

[@adamramirez507]

Biggest take away from this Whole set is 2:26, Joker uses upair to bait out Shulks UpB out of shield option. Joker wasn't able to capitalize a proper punish but the take away from that is genius. If you fade back up air quick enough you can avoid the out of shield punish and get a strong punish on shulk in neutral. This will likely work on tons of Shulks considering it's they're go too bread and butter.

[@djin1745]

Imma keep it real I stopped watching when one of them said landing fair was Samus’ best move

[@DashOnWaves]

Benny its a little unreliable, sometimes doesn’t even come out.

[@XSilvenX]

Eh, I actually agree with him. It has such good coverage and hits surprisingly low from a shorthop, not to mention the surprise attack option out of charge. It single handedly makes Samus really scary to approach.

[@djin1745]

Swaganomics 101: Jimmy Rustles I’m pretty charge shot can also do that, it’s probably the single most versatile projectile in this game - it’s covers getup options, starts comboes, finishes comboes, can deal out massive damage and can edgeguard quite well if partnered with down b. Fair isn’t very good because of its extremely poor connectivity - making it only useful for catching jumps. Other than that, uair, rar-bair and nair all do the same things as fair, if not better

[@fupalover]

I personally struggle with this matchup. But Samus has the advantage over all swordies except lucina and Roy. Maybe link as well.

[@lguy8476]

Most characters struggle with Shulk tbh. There aren't very many who don't

[@Supercrazy99CK]

how does joker turn around charge shot on the ground???

[@guillo8189]

Press B and then quickly flick the stick the other way

[@douglasdiggins8296]

B reverse

[@Supercrazy99CK]

Yobanisan you can’t do that while charging a grounded charge shot. He seems to cancel it and then turn extremely quickly but I can’t see how

[@hansolo2138]

@@Supercrazy99CK at 10:01 he jump cancels his b charge just before landing, which is incredibly precise to do and gets rid of all the landing lag, so that he could b reverse immediately

[@kobomb_]

Supercrazy99CK search up “how to b reverse in smash ultimate”

[@WowMyNameIsUnique]

Why is Nicko wearing a mask now?

[@bluetrash8090]

It's common to wear face masks if you're sick, so you don't spread germs

[@Tirfing88]

@@bluetrash8090 common in japan, never seen someone sick use one this side of the globe besides weebs

[@killerb255]

He was predicting the future

[@azurlune1877]

@@Tirfing88 I guess not wanting to spread viruses is a weeb thing then were all weebs now lmao

[@johnporkthe3rd51]

I feel like if u play samus u have to be flawless

[@ayar2]

Its more like "you have to be flawless" to play Samus other than defensively", when they split Regular Samus and Zero Suit Samus, they gave the former a more defensive focus and the later a more offensive one. playing her offensively is much more difficult than normal, but it throws off many players who only know her defensive style.

[@pelagiusseptim3454]

why is he wearing a mask is he sick

[@DashOnWaves]

Pelagius Septim Its cool and trendy iguess?

[@manongraymond5481]

He's prepared

[@ASMRbyJIO]

*To bad Kome is the best Shulk nicko is to aggro*

[@jesusjimenez6755]

What do u mean by that?

[@killerb255]

@@jesusjimenez6755 Kome is #1 Shulk player while Nicko is #2. Not sure where Soronie ranks? Easily Top 10, though.