Swordmasters of Ginaz | Dune Lore

The Swordmasters of Ginaz come from a school of martial arts and are renowned for producing elite warriors. In this video I talk about their place in this epic saga as well as their history, techniques and notable trainees like Duncan Idaho.
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[@msMagoo825]

Duncan Idaho...the Boba Fett of the Dune universe. I loved the character so much as a kid, when I got the Avalon Hill boardgame I was so pissed that he was only rated at 2 (with a maximum of 7) as a leader I changed him to 5. I didn't realize then that I defaced a piece of a soon-to-be rare and valuable game, but still....Duncan killed NINETEEN Sardaukar!

[@earthknight60]

Except, unlike Boba Fett, Duncan Idaho was actually a badass. No matter what retconned nonsense they've since some up with, the fact of the matter is that Boba Fett died when knocked into the Sarlacc pit by a blinded Han Solo. Boba Fett hadn't done anything to deserve the fanbase he got, and the only reason they retconned the ridiculous survival was due to said fanbase. All he ever did in the original series was stand around and look cool, and do a bito f basic tracking. Duncan Idaho, on the other hand was a certified badass who and was proved to be one over and over from the very beginning.

[@msMagoo825]

@@earthknight60 My analogy wasn’t because of badass-ness…it’s because both characters were loved by the fans despite having minimal “screen time” in their respective stories before they met their initial demises, in Duncan’s case the author brought him back to life, so to speak. I can’t remember where I read it, but a few years ago I learned that Herbert found a way to bring him back because of fan letters after the release of the first book. But I agree…Duncan Idaho was a total badass, and Boba Fett was as well but from a reputation built off-screen back in the day.

[@youwishbro7543]

Star Wars is lame, bad take

[@msMagoo825]

@@youwishbro7543 Agreed, Star Wars is lame. But read my above comment.

[@cerir4033]

and seriously injured how many more... I always pictured his training being something like the Bene Gesserit, that merging of mind and action, that anticipates the movements of an opponent, on or off the battlefield. Sometimes the book depicted him a little simple minded, the princes Irulan who, actually never met him and despised all who had brought her house down and, were more valued to Paul... getting her revenge in print... ;-)

[@ThomasGutierrez]

Your Dune Lore series is some of the best and coherent Dune analysis available. Keep up the great work.

[@JessWLStuart]

I love how you stay as true as possible to source material, including notifying us if a fact is from Frank Herbert's books or Brian Herbert/Kevin J Andersons'. Your respect for the Dune community is really awesome. Also, you tend not make suppositions and pass them off as obvious fact like other commentators do.

[@shanenolan8252]

Agreed jess , I have seen similar things in other communities supposition that is passed on as obvious fact , yet with little text or logic sometimes or based on something the author said and authors even the best ones make mistakes or contradict themselves accidentally. Even Frank Hubert for example in children of dune prince faradan is said to be the grandson of shaddam and in another his nephew ( making the .mother either a daughter or a sister both named winsicia which is very possible)

[@joshmcneil1086]

You hit the proverbial nail square on its head. I have as yet never heard Nerd make any sort of reaching supposition. And indeed, the fact that she also delineates between what Frank wrote and, that other stuff. (Which I don’t outright despise, but, have mixed feelings about to say the least)

[@joshmcneil1086]

Yes this does happen to literally the best of authors. Herbert and Asimov and Clarke all had a small number of small such contradictions.

[@SK4M_Freal]

Totally agree.💯

[@kennethcook5939]

I am reading Dune now in anticipation for the film's release. Haven't read since Jr. High. Credit is to you, as your videos have gotten me interested again and hyped to see this adaptation later this year.

[@keirfarnum6811]

What?! You haven’t read since Jr. High?! Holy crap!

[@cerir4033]

The audibooks are quite good too

[@clubsport9334]

Your voice is calming and your content is very well put together. Thank you!

[@NerdCookies]

Thank you! 😊

[@EmoEmu]

True. Saw Inebriated 3Poof reply to a tweet of yours and subbed. This seems like good content with good narration.

[@NerdCookies]

Jay is my hero

[@EmoEmu]

He's such a nice guy, so I tend to check out anyone that he likes and so far it's only been good folk. :)

[@christinemusselman5499]

There is another resource for all things Dune: The Dune Encyclopedia. It was approved by Frank Herbert, although he reserved the right to write the story how he saw it unfolding. The DE stopped after God Emperor of Dune (fourth book). I found the entries amazingly detailed and extremely well thought out. I rely on it for info of the Dune universe more than on Herbert's son's writing which isn't as deep and rich as his father's.

[@priestmorrison6564]

That is WHY it is HARD *to"PASS"on the Heritage People Git MAD at GranPa, cause he WONT pass in da Business But, you CANT handle Da'TRUTH"

[@bretthowell5592]

Dude. Thanks. Didn't know that existed b4 your comment so you were very helpful lol

[@shanenolan8252]

Like how they are very much like knights with special forces and intelligence training but also all of military science and engineering , I remember the part about Duncan in that in the first book he killed 19 saurdukar that is an incredible number in the circumstances and compared to the rest of the soldiers in the empire

[@jamesmunn576]

Correct! It is an unthinkable amount, and I have always thought this feat deserved to be seen on screen. Finally FINALLY it's in Dune Part 1!

[@shanenolan8252]

@@jamesmunn576 me too James. Im so excited. Made plans with two different people to see it ( at different times) did you hear about the total film article about the possibility of adapting messiah. Secrets of dune did a video a couple of hours ago.

[@jamesmunn576]

Totally! It would be an amazing trilogy, and perfectly end with Paul returning to the dessert. His whole character is just tragedy. Would be interesting to see what the general audience would take away.

[@chris.heffernan]

Pretty sure that’s why the emperor set the atredies up on arakis right? Because they were getting to powerful and the emperor wanted them out of the way.

[@jamesmunn576]

@@chris.heffernan Two fold. Duke Leto was very popular with the other houses and had a direct line to the throne. The Emperor only had daughters. AND Duncan and Gurney had trained a small amount of elite Atreides solders to a "hairs" breath of a Sardaukar's skill. Not even their entire force.

[@KaironQD]

Wow I don't usually give much credence to the Brian Herbert Dune novels but Jool Noret sounds like SUCH an interesting character, especially paired with the history of the mercenaries of Ginaz in fighting the thinking machines during the Butlerian Jihad. I may have to break my own personal convention against prequels being a good idea if they ever decide to try and adapt the Butlerian Jihad for the screen!

[@gargoyles9999]

An adaptation like that would be so differ to Dune in tone (which it’s supposed to be since the basis of everything in the Dune universe takes place after this event) it would more closely resemble the Terminator than anything else. On second thought it might be a way to actually get the damn future war story we saw in T1 and T2

[@marysmith2060]

Terrific content. Am hyped for Dune’s release.

[@jsbadger]

Duncan has always been my favorite in any of the Dune books. Your efforts to touch on SciFi, both written and visial, are very appreciated. Thank you.

[@anydaynow01]

Awesome video, and I'm always blown away with how far down the rabbit hole you go in these lore stories!

[@beezzarro]

I like that Brian Herbert tried to expand on the Swordmasters of Ginaz, but the development of that kind of combat doesn't make sense to me during that time period. It seems like he shoehorned that first swordmaster into the story just because he just wanted to also shed some light on another aspect of his father's work. The battle of Corrin is supposed to be 10k years before Dune. So that makes little sense to me that a guy developes a fighting style with swords to fight on a battlefield dominated by energy and long range weapons. Also he trains and developes the perfect style to counter personal shields, and this dynamic is held relatively unchanged for 10,000 years? It's too much a leap in logic for me to see the Ginaz begin, develope, and reach their prowess and reputation in such a short time where their skills aren't particularly useful but then stick around for such an unbelievably short time. Yes, I'm aware that one of the themes in Dune is that civilization has stagnated and hasn't developed for centuries. But centuries is still less than millennia.

[@misanthropicservitorofmars2116]

I’d prefer a better backstory as well.

[@cerir4033]

If I remember, the Dune stories where not dominated by long range weapons, they use of the in the attack on Arrakis, was a violation of codes and common sense. Projectile weapons were rare because they triggered extreme explosions when they contacted a shield. That was how the caught the Atreides by surprise, and demonstrates the emperor and harkonnans working together. The laser looking weapons in the movie, I don't remember them in the book at all... just think of Frodo, dueling the Nazgul (who can sense the ring) on the margins of Mordor (Frodo, dueling) when the entire plot is the secrecy of him not being detected through a series of "coincidences" and hence, about to slip into the land of the enemy with the ring the enemy desires above all things... heh heh... As friends tell me, "you are supposed to ignore all that (plot failure) and enjoy the movie" (never mind) . As a character in the other great Herbert books said, "mind is, ever".

[@beezzarro]

@@cerir4033 yes you're almost there. It's not a violation of any codes. It's just that shield usage is so widespread that they have made countered projectile weapons to the point that swords have come back into usage as the only dependable way to penetrate them. Laser weapons cause explosions comparable to a nuclear blast in either the weapon itself or a shield when the stream interacts with an active shield. My comment is based on the time period in the video. The BRIAN Herbert books are set 10k years before dune during the butlerian jihad where shields are just being developed and long range weapons are the state of the art of warfare at the time

[@jimmywrangles]

I knew hardly any of this...awesome. Thanks for the upload, very much appreciated.

[@Tommy1977777]

Ah there's that comforting tune and awesome Dune Lore! 👌

[@stickdip]

I could listen to the narrator talk about anything and be fascinated

[@df4250]

Isn't it interesting that ever since the dawn of Man, wars and combat have featured prominently in virtually all our stories and history. The Dune novels are supposed to take place some 10,000+ years into the future and we still like to project that love-hate relationship with combat and war. I wonder if that says something about us humans.

[@bonkisay1331]

You wonder? It say's everything. If you want to learn about human nature ask yourself why Mayan's used resourceful human sacrifice while Atztek's had a death cult with slaughter festivals.

[@cerir4033]

@@bonkisay1331 Cahokia, the crow creek massacre.. you make an excellent point, ritual torture and human sacrifice in early times but, kept alive by street gangs and drug cartels today and, called "spark of divinity", we are supposed to embrace it to show we are "open minded" (see what G K Chesterton had to say about open minded). Microsoft and amazon, maneuvering to eliminate the competition, Rodney king saying, "can't we all just get along" amazing when you think about it, Bezos, isn't rich enough? Or, powerful enough why does that always make the hair on my neck stand up? and competition, is good for a business, look at the failings in businesses like Microsoft, no one to keep them on their game.. they serve problems to their customers and say, "what choice do you have?" and oh, you can pay more for it this year. "Human nature" covers a very wide spread of behaviors, and higher behaviors, require cultivation. One of the things I liked in the Dune books, that Paul who does not want to be a monster like the Baron or Emperor, becomes another agent of destruction to stop them.

[@ForgeMasterXXL]

It does…

[@df4250]

@@bonkisay1331 The behaviour of Mayans, Aztecs that you refer to strongly suggests the susceptibility of humans to suggestions and manipulations by the few. Pathetically, it's a trait that is with us to this day, as evidenced by 2 world wars and the followers of narcissistic psychopaths like Trump and Putin.

[@df4250]

@@ForgeMasterXXL I would add that it's interesting that throughout mankind's governance history, there has never been an effective realisation/acknowledgement of the abhorrent excesses that leaders of tribes or nations are capable of, nor has there been any government that has included EFFECTIVE counters to the behaviours of such leaders. I would say that the closest a political process has come to in countering such abhorrent behaviour is something like the 2nd Amendment to the US constitution - but that's become more of a hilarious, but tragic comedy in the way it's interpreted and manipulated by organisations such as the NRA and its supporters in the government. The root cause of this pathetic state of affairs is the extremely poor standard of education which is influenced by the ideologies and religions that infiltrate the education system and mislead the masses.

[@shimaalcarrim7949]

Man this background nerd music 🎶 is 💯

[@jks9ss]

Great video as always. Can't wait to hear what you think of the movie when it comes out.

[@shanenolan8252]

Thanks guys ,

[@kronoscamron7412]

after reading chapterhouse dune , you understand that duncan is the hero of dune.

[@mezanine10]

Arguably the most important character. He's in every book.

[@johndevillier2852]

Love you video as always, I like Brian Herbert’s story line of the swordsmen a lot, along with his ideas about the machine wars...🖖🏽

[@fitrahL]

This is brilliant, thank you Nerdcookies ❤

[@appledroplarry]

The narrator is really talented. I wonder who writes these videos and has all this dune knowledge.

[@Smartion]

Wow. This was really really good ;) one happy Nerd 🙏🏼

[@almiranteandres7550]

Once again I have love your video... Your info totally helps me understand more of this great World. God blessed

[@quarantineinnorthcarolinap8814]

Love content like this I always wondered why they don't mention the Ginaz in the rest of the books, didn't the Ginaz help train the sarducar as well

[@marknovak6498]

Shielding tech link to the engine tech is a good way to tied principles together. Still, the glow globes tech advancing in a novel direction seem to be an interesting take on tech advancing in the core six books.

[@yuryivanov164]

Great summary. One correction, though. It is not the Holtzman's engine. Yes, Norma Cenva modified Holzman effect to design space-folding technology, but according to her, Tio Holzman has never understood those discoveries. Space-folding technology belonged to VenKee Enterprise. So it is inaccurate to call it Holzman's engine.

[@Dazzxp]

Hmm i see a lot of similarities from this one and the 40k universe seems to have used as inspiration. Scared of machines/AI due to uprising - check FTL Navigators - check Regress in technology - check Personal body shields and the need for close combat weapons - check

[@philnorfleet1371]

40K blatantly ripped it off, intentionally so.

[@misanthropicservitorofmars2116]

@@philnorfleet1371 yep then added in their fantasy universe into it. Good stuff. Love the set up of both empires. I think frank herbert figured out the most likely government system given biological humans don’t go extinct.

[@cerir4033]

some years ago I saw the video of a large robot tromping through the halls of the development building, it was large, strong... I could imagine the damage it could do to humans, unstoppable by anyone without major weapons... made me think of the lack of responsibility shown by too many in innovation without common sense, how they are so often protected by the politicians they support and, the Butlerian Jihad... it brought the Dune stories I had read to real life... what, in the early 70's, I can remember reading it in the red light of the x-ray developing room, yes, we developed them by hand in those days... finding excuses to shut the lab door so I could read more... this is the first Dune that looks more like my visualization of the architecture and the people... with the usual special effects overkill... but, it won't spoil it for me. Though, I always pictured the secret computer rooms under the castle, it isn't human nature to through out great tools, and the dueling robots Paul practices with in the books are clearly robots... are they in the movie?

[@MetaSynForYourSoul]

Your channel is a 💎 and your voice is lovely! Glad to have discovered you! Keep up the great work 👍🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾

[@NerdCookies]

Thank you!

[@danielwilliamson6180]

There should be a spin-off series about the Swordmasters of Ginaz.

[@swiftmatic]

The Swordmasters weren't just phenomenal warriors, but were highly capable commanders as well. They received instruction and training in a wide range of subjects: strategy, tactics, logistics, history, engineering , history and philosophy.

[@themwuzthedaze]

I wonder how the various royal houses obtained the services of top swordmaster trainees from Ginaz like Duncan Idaho. One possibility might have been that top swordmaster trainees may have sought employment by presenting themselves to Houses that attracted them just as contemporary graduate students seek employment with companies or corporations that offer the kind of work that the applicant has trained for partly because they like the prospective employer's work ethic and atmosphere. So, Duncan might have sought employment with House Atradies because he wanted to serve a Duke with his kind of elevated moral code. Or was it more common for a House to comb a graduating class from Ginaz in search of a swordmaster in the same way that employers send headhunters to examine graduating university classes to find desirable employees?

[@domagojmazuran3803]

Thanks!

[@NerdCookies]

Thank you!

[@JamesSavik]

I hope the movie is great, or at least good enough that they make the second part.

[@george94065]

Good job thanks for your work

[@jwb590]

I saw another video that suggested the skill of the Sardaukar only reached a midling level on the Ginaz scale. Are there different levels of ability among the Ginaz?

[@bangslamwham88]

Considering the size of the sandworms, I've been wondering why don't they make crysswords? The most they make are crysknives.

[@damianrives563]

Mobility for one..Fremen operate very stealthly & carrying around a sword would slow them down or make them more noticeable as a threat

[@the_mighty_bearcat]

Agree with Damian’s statement. In addition, the Fremen were not used to fighting in mass engagements. Much of their fighting was skirmishes with smugglers, or even small Harkonen patrols; but mostly personal one-on-one fighting according to their cultural codes. When Paul and Jessica trained them in the Weirding Way, and combat tactics, that changed. Also, Crysknives had to be kept close to the body, to the bioelectric field of a person, to maintain their edge and combat sturdiness. A sword would be too long to make that easily feasible. There may also be a religious component to consider, regarding taking teeth from the Makers, and what size was acceptable. Since Fremen likely did not kill full grown sandworms due to their size, their religious view of the sandworms, and the fact that dead sandworms turned back into sandtrout; the teeth that made crysknives were most likely those of Little Makers that were drowned by the Fremen to harvest the waters of life.

[@bangslamwham88]

@@the_mighty_bearcat Makes sense.

[@paulhunter6742]

What was background music in Swordmasters of Ginaz taken from....

[@bonkersblock]

Who’s a better swordsman? Ginaz or saudakar?

[@summerkagan6049]

Ginaz as described sound much like the Dorsai of Gordon Dickerson.

[@timothymorgan9035]

Love your videos, You gives as much information as possible. If I need to explain any geek stuff, I use your videos. Just wondering if you have,or plan on doing videos on Star Wars, The Expanse,and do you like anime as all? Just wondering, 🙂

[@NerdCookies]

Thanks! I've done some Star Wars content but it doesn't perform as well on this channel. I love Ghibli animation and most of those movies. Would love to cover some of that one day

[@MesaperProductions]

OK, is there *any* explanation of WHY humans were fighting Terminators by using with freakin' SWORDS?

[@Raxfyr]

anyone know the name of the art at 3:13?

[@uapuat]

The idea of travel by folding space arose in the David Lynch film, not in anything Frank Herbert originally wrote.

[@RaikenXion]

5:29 Have to say i just don't like the design of the shields in the new upcoming Dune film, they just look like holograms, i wish more could have been done with them tbh.

[@Glory_inthe_3rd77]

Evolution fits perfectly in science fiction where it belongs

[@KevinDiVico]

Hmmm Ginaz are mercenaries, from a water world ...I wonder if Herbert was honoring the Dorsai By Gordon Dickson ...any one know if they where friends ?

[@creightonleerose582]

I like Duncans name/Character... Im currently in the process of founding a town in honor of his glorious surname! WHAT: The fresh towneship of >HEDAPYMP< WHERE: >IDAHO< WHO wouldnt wanna LIVE THERE right?

[@fredkelly6953]

Jason's body-type still doesn't shout swordmaster extraordinaire. Too big, too many muscles, too slow. Now weapons-master sure but speed, precision, depth, I don't know. Not that this will lessen my anticipation for the movie at all and it's understandable to have JM on board. Like Chalamet and Zendaya, Jason strongly appeals to a certain demographic and this sort of role is only going to enhance and enlarge said demographics. My other concern is long term. The Dune series has one constant character, does JM have the acting chops to pull off the complexities which grow with each book of Duncan Idaho.

[@LOCATIONREDACTED]

He looks the same shape as the guy in the title illustration. He'd have great reach, and weight moves weight, he'd be fine.

[@tracyquintos]

This aged very very very well.

[@starwraithspacemarine8605]

I like there mercenary history.

[@raztaz826]

Forbid nuclear weapons but it is commonplace to wear armor that can could easily become a nuke.

[@thecocktailian2091]

One does have to wonder why one side or the other simply would not put a couple soldiers in personal shields, field a small force and purposefully get shot by a las weapon. Seems a perfect way to get around the use of atomics. I need a logical rebuttal.

[@the_mighty_bearcat]

By the time of the novel Dune, lasguns were no longer commonly used due to the prevalence of shields. The nuclear devastation of the meeting of the two technologies was never fully calculable, and thus, too chaotic to chance. Also, the use of such a tactic would invariably not only cause far more collateral damage to raid-able wealth sources such as royal house spice caches, but would be immediately deemed illegal use of atomics by the Landsraad ... and be punished by the remainder of the Landsraad. Remember, the universe if Dune is not one of brute force, but of subterfuge. The Landsraad did hold power to keep even the Emperor , and other houses, from going too rogue. It was an extremely illegal and immoral thing Shadam V did by sending Sardukar troops to aide the Harkonens in defeating the Atriedes. Many houses liked Duke Leto. If the Landsraad on the whole new about it, they may have overthrown Shadam V. Your question, while valid. Is much like asking: “why doesn’t North Korea just nuke the US, or China just nuke Australia or India?” Answer: political pressure from other nations keeps them in line just enough. The collateral damage alone would put all the resources in those countries to waste. If they did such a thing, the rest of the world may nuke the crap out of them. No house would be safe if there was a rogue house out there willing to do such a thing.

[@shanenolan8252]

I believe there is a line about in the aftermath of an lasgun shield explosion it very hard to tell if it was an atomic bomb or not and that the convention would make the other houses or the emperor wipe them out as the forms demanded , but what you suggested did happen in later books chapterhouse I believe

[@thecocktailian2091]

@@shanenolan8252 Thats a reasoned explanation. I only read the first two. I suppose I should read the others.

[@shanenolan8252]

@@thecocktailian2091 yes I only read the later books myself a few months ago , I read the first 3 and stopped but the story only really gets going in book 3 just in writing and character/story 4 and 5 are amazing. It's very much like each book is a part of a two part story one and two is Paul , 3 and 4 are his children his son especially , and so on . I wouldn't like to spoil anything but there are significant time jumps like inbetween the books you read is 12 years but later books the jumps get much longer thousands of years and you see the consequences on civilisation from Paul and his descendants and you also get much more of an understanding of the sisterhood and the universe. I got the audiobook versions which were wonderful the voice acting is great . Some of them are free on KZbin or you can listen to aan audio clip for free to see if you like it .

[@stpstrt]

Because whoever used it would have the entire Landsraad coming for them.

[@kronoscamron7412]

Malee combat is the best and most honorable combat. you have your opponent in front of you and it depends on skill , a fair fight. guns are effective but cowardly, its good that in the future and with the invention of body shields swords daggers and spears are back with force, off course there is lasguns but they are not used much due to catastrophic reaction with the shields.

[@priestmorrison6564]

!!THAT!?! *is "WHY"continuity MATTERS duh {...hmmm,where oh WHERE DID Lucas...git...Jedis....hmmm I DO declare.....I DO declare.....}

[@alanvanrensburg2622]

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[@ernstboyd8745]

you said contact between a laser and a shield makes a nuclear explosion. --- beats a knife

[@Valkaneer]

Jason Momoa while a good actor just doesn't fit a Duncan Idaho. They should have gotten Orlando Bloom or someone who actually looks like a swordmaster. Momoa use to have the look nearly 12 years ago when he played Ronan in SGA.

[@snakeeyes20a]

I pronounced ginaz totally differently in my mind rofl

[@wyndsock1209]

Jool Noret > any other fighter

[@titodalessandro1909]

I would not call it Martial arts, better yet I would call it sword play or Hand to hand combat.

[@paulbrown3466]

Sword play and hand to hand are martial arts

[@jernejicom]

I Dont get it if u shot a shield with na blaster it Makes an explosion? Why would u use shields. Ok u have 1000 Man with shilds and all u need to kill them all is 1 Man with a blaster so stupid!!

[@ewen666]

It also kills the shooter

[@thijsgeurts5003]

Do you know how big a nuclear explosion is?

[@philippedefague3835]

ahahahahah swordmasters in ginaz. lol

[@sanabriaadrian]

You can skip this one, is based on BH crap

[@Khannea]

I *COMPLETELY* reject the fanfic of Brian. These books have zero redeemable quality. He rapes his fathers legacy in a completely disrespectful manner. His works are complete drivel.

[@jerryrichburg2458]

I don't care about your pretty voice. I don't know what you are or how you exist if it's not Herbert it's wrong. It is a weierding way. Good luck I will see the film. That doesn't make it good.

[@shoot-n-scoot3539]

Good Sci-Fi makes sense. Outlawing computers, thinking machines, AI, and robots makes zero sense. Can't get into a movie or book that makes zero sense. BWoT (Big Waste of Time). It makes more sense to have Dune take place in 1800's Earth.

[@thijsgeurts5003]

How does outlawing computers after nearly being wiped out by them not make sense? You don't want to survive? It is Elon Musk's biggest fear, and in Dune it became a reality, humanity barely survived, and wanted to make sure it didn't happen again..

[@stuckie3916]

Tell me you’ve never read the book without telling me you haven’t read the book. Smh. You win the dumb comment award for the day.

[@carlredmon5885]

The Dune videos you put out are my favorite. An exploration of Harkonnen fighting techniques displayed by Feyd-Rautha would be interesting.

[@corrinlex1359]

meh nothing interesting about it. poisoned blades? trash talking your enemy throughout the battle? no wonder feyd died. fremen are far more interesting.

[@jerryrichburg2458]

Try reading the book. Can you read?

[@keysersoze3427]

@@corrinlex1359 Don't forget drugging your opponent....

[@Jared_Wignall]

I always enjoy these Dune videos. Keep up the great work Elaine!

[@Tommy1977777]

Interestingly, there were many "Schools": Ginaz, Bene Jessurit, Mentats, Spacing Guild, etc. There were others that apparently are lost to the History.

[@hucklebuck411]

Great info as always. Thank you for not shying away from covering material in Brian Herbert and Kevin J. Anderson's expanded Dune universe. The early years of Duncan Idaho and also of Gurney Halleck (both stories juxtaposing the cruelty of the Harkonnens against the honor of the Atreides) are stories I found very interesting in the expanded Dune novels.

[@shanenolan8252]

Yes both from guidy prime both lost their families both had sisters tortured to death by harkonans and both eventually escaped finding assistance from Duke Leto

[@joeciok]

Last time I was this early Duncan Idaho wasn’t even a ghola

[@tarkajedi3331]

Outstanding! Quality work !!!!

[@Davepool-hs7vr]

Can we all agree that Duncan Idaho is a badass?

[@XeroFailGames]

Wait....a world of mostly water where Duncan idaho comes from....portrayed by aquaman.....hmmmmmmm

[@stuckie3916]

Duncan Idaho was not from Ginaz. He went to Ginaz to study and become a sword master.

[@JamesLaserpimpWalsh]

Great vid. Cheers. I was thinking though, surely if martial skill with a blade was a primary mode of attack then swords would get longer as materials got stronger and lighter. I mean the whole point is to be able to get somebody without putting yourself in danger of their reach. Spears have been about since the dawn of humankind, I believe some were found that were like 50,000 years old so maybe spears should have been the primary battlefield weapon in Dune. Thanks again for the upload.

[@thecocktailian2091]

A sword can only reach a certain length before it becomes completely unwieldy. A spear is indeed a battlefield weapon, and while right and logical to think this weapon would be focal point in a battlefield, the weapon has no place anywhere else. The sword/ knife then becomes principle for daily defense, and therefore a focus of training.

[@damianrives563]

Yea but lets be honest a spear is not cooler than a sword not matter how logical, this is the way fantasy operates

[@thecocktailian2091]

@@damianrives563 I dont know about that. Dragonslayer made the spear pretty cool. And just about any Hong Kong Kung Fu Martial arts flick.

[@the_mighty_bearcat]

As a trained and practicing swordsman, I can say that the advantages to weapons are not only reach. Once inside someones effective reach with a pole-arm, or longsword; a dagger, shortsword, rapier, or saber, is much more wieldy and effective. There is no “my sword is longer therefore I win” doctrine, as there may be in video games, or organized field battle tactics.

[@connorwheatley5640]

I'd imagine that a 'Historical Martial Arts' take on Dune would see Spears, Two-Handed Swords, and various Polearms as the majority of weapons on screen. The shorter blades we see in the 2021 film would be fine as sidearms but poor primary weapons on the battlefield, so you're not wrong but I doubt we'd see Swords longer than a typical Zweihander or Claymore that aren't bearing swords meant for ceremony

[@Marinealver]

So good at combat they got DECAPITATED by House Mortani assassins when House Ginaz attacked their homeworld Grumman.

[@5dmkiii60]

As I remember it, contact with a shield from a lasegun had unpredictable results. It could result in as little as just shorting out the shield alone, blowing up the lasegun or result in it's most feared reaction, a nuclear explosion. It did not always cause one. The unpredictable reaction of a lasegun hitting a holtzman shield made using laseguns extremely risky, thus blade fighting became the dominant form of house to house combat.

[@MonMalthias]

This if anything is the weakest point of the Dune universe. If a phenomenon is widely known, it can and will be exploited as a weapon of war. And if anything, such a device being perfected - that of a predictable nuclear explosion from a lasgun-shield interaction, would invalidate the Dune universe's justification for melee combat returning to warfare altogether. It was artillery that ended melee in modern history; nuclear artillery would invalidate it even moreso. Dune demonstrated telepresence with the hunter-seeker scene. It would be a simple matter of having a heavier drone set up to fire at a shield - or even integrate a lasgun into its body then fire it into a shielded object. It doesn't matter if it's not reliable - the mere presence of spaceflight implies a certain level of mass production. Even a one in ten thousand chance, with expendable lasgun and/or shield modules in magazines with a fleet of 10 drones, would result in an explosion. Thus the prospect of mini-nukes - and thereby the requirement to spread out manpower across large distances would return - making decisive melee engagements with blocs of men clashing militarily unfeasible. Now you might bleat about "but what about the laws of war" but the reality of the matter is that just because something is banned in warfare, doesn't mean it can't or won't be used. If anything such a weapon would produce large scale attempts to replicate it across all belligerent parties, as it directly bypasses arms limitations on use of atomics; while laser and shield technology is widely proliferated. Fissile material can be tracked from space with gamma detectors, and are more controllable than something so commonplace as a shield. It requires massive intrastructure to create and deploy nuclear weapons - even moreso in a universe that has reverted to human labour instead of machine labour for manufacture. Even if all it did was short out both lasgun and shield - you've just created a plot hole where Dr Yueh needs to lower the House shields on Arrakis. The Harkonnens would merely have needed a drone and a lasgun: the betrayal becomes needless drama. If Frank Herbert had thought more deeply about the political economy of warfare - and look, I don't blame him as he was an ecologist and not a soldier - then this point would have never made it to print.

[@samnielsen7114]

@@MonMalthias it’s not really that much of a plot hole. It’s banned by the great convention so if someone were to do this they would immediately be taken out the the combined forces of the rest of the imperium. Also the harrkonnens we’re trying to smuggle lazguns onto the planet which is why Leto was wary to activate his shield

[@RVS789]

House Ginaz is a little off the beaten path but, that is some very interesting content! I wonder if there will be any reference in the new movie regarding Duncan Idaho. : )

[@marystone860]

The very first Swordmaster of Ginaz sounds a lot like the Redguard Frandar Hunding from Elder Scrolls. The guy who made the very way of life to help guide and train elite warriors, extremely skilled in combat and martial arts! Which also encompassed their entire history! The text of Frandar Hunding is so highly regarded and sacred, EVERY home in Hammerfell has a copy in their homes!

[@stevengrey3617]

I love the paradigm of the the harkonnen and atreides both being warrior societies but were one practices actual martial teachings and discipline, the other relies on being the most brutal asshole imaginable.

[@cryptolicious3738]

u have a recipe(s) for your fav nerd cookies? id like to eat some, except if they have unicorn bunny meat . i have made chicken & liver & oats cookies for my dogs, they like em

[@calebray4168]

I don’t know much about warhammer at all, despite my time playing table top games. I’ve been into dune for about 7yrs now and my buddy was just telling me about warhammer yesterday, I was like “sounds like a Dune rip off”. Lmfao

[@Svejir]

Eh. Warhammer 40,000 is an amalgamation of different Sci Fi lore. Their space travel shares a lot of similarities with Dune, but with minor twists. The style of government is also similar, but the Imperium of Man in Warhammer 40k has its own issues with infighting due to Heretics rather than the cloak and dagger style events that can be seen in Dune. I love both universes and think they offer their own neat settings. Each handles aspects of human life that can draw similarities, but at the same time are distinct enough from one another. An Imperial citizen in 40k is but a cog in the machine or literal tithe to be paid in some cases. Dune treats humanity as a precious resource in regards to what can be achieved (Bene Gesserit, Mentats, Soldiers like Sardaukar, etc). The Imperium of Man in Warhammer is also beset on all sides by aliens while dealing with their own issues. Of course since Warhammer was created well after Dune you can see its influences on it in addition to other influences like Aliens, Starship Troopers (power armour from the novels), and a few others. Warhammer's Great Crusade setting before the Heresy is actually a really neat setting if that catches your interest. I've been particularly interested in the Unification Wars and the Thunder Warriors, but unfortunately there isn't too much detail on that time period compared to the rest of the 40k timeline.

[@theenchiladakid1866]

I am not at all looking forward to the movie and this is all stuff people should know from the books

[@davidlewis8814]

As a sword fighting enthusiast of many years, as it’s a big part of my job, I don’t feel like I’ve seen a decent portrayal of this “fast on defense, slow on attack” methodology. In the two latest films (I can’t imagine sitting through the Sci-Fi channel thing), everyone is moving at about the same speed all the time, and you just see the blue and red flashes. In the Lynch project it seemed closer, but the little pocket knives were ludicrous.

[@juliammassing]

Thank you for this

[@Meowie___Wowie420]

Can you PLEASE make a lore video about crysknives!?! 💞💞

[@alexstone1808]

I would've helped Duncan fight in Dune. He's Kool, not as Kool as me, But Kool.

[@dennisg.1082]

…though controversial by the fan base…

[@oonamorrioghanblackthorne]

I just realized that if a shield and a laser would start a nuclear explosion anyone with access to those two items has the power to wipe out huge populations. Kind of screws up Dune.

[@charlesratcliff2016]

You are wealth of information. Thank you so much.

[@khartog01]

So nobody develops armor to counter swords or use of shields like a targe. I love that house Atredies used spears in the movie.

[@mtumeumrani376]

So, Khall Drogo if the future!

[@szybkilewyprostyf231]

Ginaz Sword Master are the prę. Sardaukars.

[@ericthompson3982]

Loved watching the movie and identifying the different styles and techniques. The fight choreography was just lovely.

[@XeroFailGames]

When it comes to dune lore accept no substitute

[@MiniatureMasterClass]

I just laugh at all you Frank snobs who can't over the fact Brian wrote then end of the series based on his Dad's notes. Brian's ending is logical ans mostly aligns with everything his Dad wrote before. Time to get a life.

[@Malefleur]

I'm imagining this voice resisting a verse in Sindarin....JESUS!!!!

[@mbm8404]

Thanks for making these Dune videos. They are the best ones I’ve seen for summaries of the fundamental components of Dune.

[@erichpizer1]

i swear George Lucas used this as direct reference creating the Jedi light sabre . he copied many concepts from Dune.