SWT Mexico Online Winners Finals - MkLeo (Pyra Mythra) Vs. Spargo (Cloud) SSBU Ultimate Tournament

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[@vgbootcamp]

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[@franciscog.5356]

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[@aizoid4735]

Mkleo using pyra > mythra Sakurai: that's my man

[@bruhm0ment6000]

That's the man

[@Pm3m_Dia]

A small price to pay for those Byleth buffs.

[@LleytonSPD]

@q she isn't no where near OP LUL

[@aquatazer]

@q ...what?😂

[@cajoan5556]

@@LleytonSPD Byleth its a Him xddd

[@SirePuns]

Everyone else: So you see, Mythra is the better starter. MKleo: and I took that personally

[@bruhm0ment6000]

Mkleo: and I prove them wrong

[@zenfreak7241]

Prinny pfp nice

[@ibeatmywifeandkids9084]

Wholesome100 Keanu Reeves moment

[@thenonexistinghero]

@@isaacnikolic3228 Mythra is only good to abuse Foresight so you can switch to Pyra for EZ FSmash.

[@williamhowes3010]

Tbh I find Pyra way better to start, easy 30% in two hits, if they can't avoid the pressure, could be an easy 60, switch to Mythra for juggles, back to Pyra and win.

[@R0B0ninjaPirate]

My man Leo really out here proving that Pyra's specialty is cooking.

[@JDarkAngeI]

That's sexist. Lol. I laughed tho

[@efe2299]

@@JDarkAngeI she literally has a special ability to cook stat boosting items in XB2

[@JDarkAngeI]

@@efe2299 ok? But is she using those skills in smash?

[@priyavraman]

@@JDarkAngeI do female characters actually cook in smash either?

[@JDarkAngeI]

@@priyavraman no? Also I never said they did. Dude the one who brought up the cooking skills, yet they are not used in smash(I think) thus is somewhat irrelevant.

[@manavshah6831]

mkleo be farming those dlcs

[@flyforce16]

Reaping that DLC privilege

[@manavshah6831]

@@flyforce16 yesss

[@noble7654]

Not sephiroth though. Why is that?

[@cikembra2389]

@@noble7654 tweek

[@Dimadome12]

Have you seen his Banjo... sick

[@thosewhoslaytogetherstayto3412]

It's not surprising that Leo would use Pyra. He is very capable with Powerful but Slow Sword characters. He made Ike look OP when Ultimate first came out

[@Amaling]

He’s got those top player fundamentals, but they’re on crack with slow swordies

[@slatebeard]

Spargo wasn't running away and charging limit so there was no need to switch to mythra. Eventually Spargo will be up close in Pyra face whether it be Leo go up to cloud or cloud coming to Pyra so it didn't seem like the run speed mattered in that sense, Leo just boxes better up close so naturally Pyra is the smarter option

[@jajiju723]

yeah i was thinking the same, if you are good with ike you have good basics concepts to play a good pyra

[@strombosis3613]

Exactly what I was thinking. Leo’s known for using Slower, heavy-hitting swordies like Ike and Byleth so he’s definitely comfortable with Pyra

[@hootle4641]

@@slatebeard He also said he didn't think his Mythra was as good as his pyra.

[@IcebergSSBU]

TK and EE are a sick duo!

[@1trickwootang]

Best smash commentators

[@IcebergSSBU]

@@1trickwootang I agree!

[@benjaminpearson2859]

@@1trickwootang Coney is up there

[@krazyzyko]

The Black Plague

[@carrot0821]

always has been

[@Takumi_Yo]

Pyra has more knock back and kill potential than Ike, MKleo knows how to play Ike, I already knew his Pyra was going to be super good

[@RangoTheMercenary]

Good but not better than Ike.

[@sphinxweasley589]

Plus proyectiles and light mode.

[@Unbeweaveable]

@@sphinxweasley589 “Proyectiles” 💀💀💀💀

[@lilsparks96]

@@Unbeweaveable I’m dead 😂😂

[@Nat_the_Chicken]

@@Unbeweaveable Ah stop making fun of the j/y error, that's a super common English language learner mistake (depending on what language you're coming from)

[@hobron9593]

Great match Leo already adept with Pyra/Mythra despite them only releasing a couple of weeks ago especially being able to send a player like Sparg0 to losers.

[@red_uzu]

I think mkleo nerfs himself because of online and not using his joker because let’s be honest if he did he would be always winning

[@OseiTheWarriors]

@@red_uzu not necessarily, Joker is a ton worse online since he has tight combos. Byleth and Pyra/Mythra are a ton more forgiving.

[@kajin2422]

@@red_uzu Yeahh I think in one of his first Tournament runs online last year he played w joker and got absolutely bodied and didn’t enter tournaments w joker at all and tried switching from Greninja, Wolf, Lucina, His new wifi main byleth, and his new new wifi main, Pyra/Mythra. I’m gonna miss the Byleth, but his Pyra is so fun to watch

[@Aflay1]

Pyra and Mythra definitely have amazing frame data. A true legend can make them seem broken.

[@adinv9257]

@@red_uzu bro he’s just having a goood tiiiime

[@D_N3214]

8:23 dude this conversion was nice as heck

[@skell9550]

mans got 80% off of one hit with only like 5 moves pyras sick

[@rigemeister]

MkLeo is crazy good at recovering with Pyra. I couldn't believe how far he could make it back from offstage.

[@xavierlynch1088]

More people should be using blazing end to cover your recovery. It makes it pretty free and the opponent really cant do much about it

[@coolshirtkid]

mexico’s scene is underrated asf these are the some of the best wifi matches in a year

[@carloscordovez3457]

They are not lol

[@exodusuno]

Definitely not, a LOT of our best players are latino, and specifically from Mexico

[@droopyrws2021]

@@exodusuno Spanish? Dont you mean latinamerican? lmfao, what do spain has to do with Mexico?

[@coolshirtkid]

@@exodusuno well yeah the best player in the world is mexican, but i feel like the focus is generally on the US and Japan’s scene

[@juanpaju8096]

@@droopyrws2021 he probably mean Spanish in the way that they talk Spanish lmfao

[@Nomans_Nomen]

I’m no smash theorist or anything, but my guess is that we saw more Pyrha than Mythra mostly because Cloud is a slow enough character for her to stay out without being punished for it. Seems like how often either form is used should depend on the matchup, and not be a static strategy.

[@primemetroid4427]

Nothing better than a great match with awesome commentary! Great job guys!

[@krztvl_v2]

I'm really amazed at Mkleo's proficiency at recovering with Pyra

[@xavierlynch1088]

If he has a jump just throwing blazing end at the ledge is such a free recovery that the opponent cant do much about.

[@stephaniecurry45]

@@xavierlynch1088 dude literally figured that out the moment the characters came out lmao. He just understands those fundamentals and is so quick to figure out what’s most optimal and ideal. He doesn’t need guides or anything, he just understands 😂

[@Megabaron]

It was a 3 0 but spargo made every game close respect

[@toonking1640]

what the hell!!!! he using them already...THE MAD MAN!!!

[@JDarkAngeI]

Every since byleth(I think) I welcome you the old liner : he's using them already(in tourneys)???

[@thelordoftheweebs9501]

Pyra his waifu

[@Classyssbu]

@@thelordoftheweebs9501 He's got good taste lol

[@JDarkAngeI]

Correction. Ever since Joker people, dlc are topically used day1 on tourneys. And somehow reach finals

[@VaanMido]

When everyone wanted to nerf Cloud’s Up Air and now Pyra kills with a simple swing of her sword in any direction...

[@Nyangorou1]

Yeah it's not like she's one of the slowest character or anything

[@daygarcia4390]

@@Nyangorou1 It's almost like her split-second switch to her partner makes up for that. Mythra combos and gets you off stage and now you shit yourself wondering what option you should take to get back because like the first guy said just about everything Pyra throws out will murder you and your future prospects.

[@Xifko]

They were so afraid to make Sephiroth op and broken, and then they made Pyra/Mythra

[@kahlowest5988]

@@Nyangorou1 theyre both heavier than sephiroth stfu

[@adscott27]

@@Nyangorou1 pyra slow? ell oh ell she's not fast but to call her slow is a stretch

[@erronblack8266]

4:02 I love how Cloud's tilt has a green trail behind it and Mythra's tilt leaves a similar trail and both of their swords clashed. It looks cool and now I want it as my background.

[@MrJagged11]

Did anyone else catch the footstool tech chase at 13:19 ? Mk Leo already pulling out crazy stuff in tournaments.

[@MauveGun]

For a very new matchup, Sparg0 did amazing, this feels like it was Leo who won with his experience and skill rather than Pyra and Mythra.

[@bruhm0ment6000]

Duh

[@jonahgoldthorpe6237]

Thanks for the spoiler, popped up as the top comment and I saw it right below he video :(

[@judge81]

No point lying to yourself, basic player like me could take games off Spargo with this busted character

[@drumo2273]

I agree, Leo is straight cracked man. Even though Pythra is pretty insane as a character I don't think anyone outside of him could have punked Sparg0 like this with such a new character

[@MauveGun]

@@judge81 Low quality bait. Sparg0 beat Elegant and many more irl in a tournament setting.

[@Chris-mx9tv]

Pyra's hitboxes are diabolical...

[@jj6148]

Why do bair and dair autocancel off of short hop...

[@mathunit1]

@@jj6148 Sakurai: Because Pyra's my favorite. :3

[@dleung3024]

She gets waifu privilege, mythra too

[@Icanonlycountto4]

Think it'll get patched?

[@xavierlynch1088]

@@Icanonlycountto4 no

[@DanielCho1997]

I love their dueling kpop tags, such a small detail

[@AstroReviews]

Once vs ReVeluv haha!

[@jasonyoon9914]

Fun fact: Their nicknames are Jeongyeon and Seulgi, which are both Korean idols 정연 and 슬기. its a collision of two fandoms loooolll

[@jmarprime27]

Was about to say those names reminded me of those Kpop idols

[@kawakaze488]

Mkleo: **Mains Byleth** Everyone: Heh, easy. Mkleo: **Mains Joker and he chose secondary Pyra and Mythra** Everyone: *Alright, imma head out.*

[@MAJJASTAK]

I mean now that Byleth got buffed and Joker nerfed he can basically use each at the same potential, it's just mad op

[@ken7007]

Lmao if you call that a Nerf

[@R.Sinnia]

@@MAJJASTAK Joker nerf doesn't really exists for skilled players and hurts alot for those unskilled people who spam Eiha and counter with Arsene. Knowing how good Leo is with Joker, the nerfs barely matters

[@MAJJASTAK]

@@R.Sinnia i mean certainely, but some situations are still hindered by this, for exemple when Leo edgegards with Joker he sometimes eiha into other moves, which is not (or less ) possible anymore for exemple. But yeah Joker is still a very good character lmao, it's not like it is some *cough* Bowser Jr. *cough* bottomest tier character being *cough* little Mac *cough weeze* barely touched or buffed... Damn i should take some medecines XD

[@BakingSoda4U]

The older Breezy gets, the more he resembles Eddy Murphy.

[@Marcusjnmc]

Cloud just getting beat out by Pyra's huge hitboxes, trust Leo to get that sword v sword neutral game rocking

[@someone-cs1ix]

Yo spargo ain't no chump, he's really good, and yet Leo still wins with a new character wth

[@picotera7328]

That's MKleo for you dude

[@Amaling]

A: It’s Leo trying B: Pyra/Mythra are probably super top-tier, while simultaneously seemingly being pretty simple to pilot to a competent level. They’re almost certainly a better character than Cloud for example Honestly what’s really scary is that he’s dropping a lot of combos, this character is a problem lol(but they’re pretty aggressive so I don’t mind)

[@thenutella1895]

@@Amaling That's the way Cloud plays, neutral is his game but the way it plays is very similar in most matchups and MKLeo was really aware and experienced with this playstyle.

[@taxman7617]

@@Amaling I dont think Leo was trying, he didnt wanna play after gaining his qualifier spot :(

[@lordmango6060]

Well to be fair, it's also because Pyra/Mythra are so new that the matchup hasn't been fully explored yet. I mean, how many top level Pyra players you see out there?

[@jack._.skates]

MkLeo is like Goku and just takes everything to the next level

[@superfrubblez6123]

The fact he keeps calling it blazing edge instead of blazing end is bothering me

[@ojeritoayala]

I thought it was Edge...

[@marwanbadr9406]

It isn’t edge? :0

[@K.O.zone.]

To both of you: it is definitely end, check the reveal trailer

[@marwanbadr9406]

@@K.O.zone. but dude listen to how she says it it’s definitely blazing edge!

[@guywhohasyoutube7723]

@@marwanbadr9406 it isn’t you idiot. Check Pyra’s move list it’s called Blazing End

[@jadonharley6199]

sakurai: releases dlc fighters leo: i’ll take you up on those

[@houstonwelch4253]

That second match, Leo knew exactly what he was doing on the end. He was pulling Spargo to his side of the stage so he could switch control (and he got the back-air at the opportune time). That’s how he controls the neutral... by pulling his opponent out of neutral.

[@L0R3N23]

Two top tier players & Two top tier commentators, just missing Korean!

[@falloutboy1379]

"Korean"?

[@oddgodzilla225]

???

[@lovelypanda111]

@@falloutboy1379 thats the name of a smash commebtator (his tag is Korean) his actual name is charles

[@Reldan]

Pro community: Pyra's neutral is useless, Mythra all the way! MKLeo: Hold my beer.

[@Terraeeeee]

it's wifi.

[@tha-fresherson]

Actually accurate though, Pyra's range enabled Leo to play a super solid spacing game against Spargo's Cloud. Though it looked like he wasn't comfortable with Mythra in this match, Leo might be able to make a case that Pyra's neutral game is not as bad as people make it out to be.

[@alondite215]

@@tha-fresherson Mythra's speed invalidates Pyra's range advantage because of how quickly she's able to get in and out; It effectively works like having more range. When offline tournaments come back and Pyra's moves become more reactable you'll see far more Mythra use.

[@ShallBePurified]

@@tha-fresherson I think Pyra will only get worse once we can play offline and people learn the matchup. The same story can be said of Ike early on, where once people learned how to fight him, he got worse overall. Slow characters with strong hits always gradually get worse with the meta. Now if you combine Mythra and Pyra and switch between them, then that mitigates the weakness of Pyra. Use Mythra to hit them into disadvantage and then Pyra to get the kill.

[@xsomeoneh8245]

@@Terraeeeee Wdym?

[@michaeljacksons1fan146]

Now we need to call MKLeo the "DLC king".

[@lucendence4710]

The man pays so you lose lol

[@Geneolgia]

I know online play may not be the optimal way but i love the character variety it brings because of how different a character performs.

[@daygarcia4390]

Where are the folks saying these 2 aren't broken? We have Mr. Number 1 himself who's also a sword specialist pulling the potential out of this character and showing how good Pyra actually is, not just Mythra and her privileged frame data. Allow me to reiterate that their switch takes the same amount of frames as a spot dodge to finish. Build damage with Mythra and finish the job with Pyra, a simple concept and effective as hell. We've got a new Sm4sh Cloud and how ironic that that's who got beaten in this set.

[@Piercing_Vision]

they nerfed Cloud's Nair, Limit and Uair..... for what? they knew they gonna include pyra/mythra in the future. i never saw so many Up-B's in one fight, when i was playing online.......

[@イカサン-u6g]

0:22 0:22 0:22 1試合目始まり 5:24 5:24 5:24 2試合目始まり 10:35 10:35 10:35 3試合目始まり

[@iech0526]

Interesting that Leo didn’t attempt to try and use foresight on mythra. Though I guess at the pro level it’s difficult to abuse spot dodges

[@SpyderBey]

I love how MKLeo is using Pyra/Mythra. I bet the haters will start screaming "HIGH TIER CHARACTER" now lol. I like the playstyles. Hopefully I get as good as these professionals someday (as a Hero and Shulk main).

[@Ridley96]

Nah people were saying she was top tier straight out of the gate lol

[@SpyderBey]

@@Ridley96 Not everyone but I do think they're high tier.

[@sticky2803]

lol nobody is saying these 2 are bad, especially after we found their hitbox and frame data

[@SpyderBey]

@@sticky2803 Well ok. I don't understand the people who were toxic about another anime character in Smash, but obviously they think the character is high tier and they are magically positive now :/ Haters gonna hate, dudes. Smh.

[@CyberPunkBadGuy]

people wil start to adapt though , it was close and spargo doesn't know the match up. dropping shield on mythra side special and not punishing her bad recovery from far out twice in a row , example 11:23 it doesn't even spike so unlike chrome or ike u can be careless when punishing it even if Leo's pyra/mythra dont improve significantly (which it probably will) people will start winning vs his. LUL i called Leo joker , edit.

[@rauruuuu]

See now this is commentating. With good chemistry comes good dialogue.. sorry those other rando guys just cant top this duo.

[@oakwooden]

The Black Plague is classic

[@Frilleon]

They’re entertaining but they don’t add analysis. The extent of their relevant commentary is who is ahead lmao but either way they always have fun chemistry

[@rauruuuu]

They do add analysis.. do you not know who these guys are? They have been commentating in the community for a loooong time and are better then everyone at it tbh

[@Frilleon]

@@rauruuuu I disgree. The best analysis you get from them is like "that was a good back air" after it hits. I've been listening to them for forever. I like them for sure and I don't mind when they commentate but they are definitely just for entertainment value

[@kingofpancakes1278]

@@rauruuuu eh, i disagree. VirumSD is much better than TK and EE analytically but they have much more chemistry and ability to talk over the game imo than Virum

[@WMDistraction]

Is MKLeo trying to win a tournament with every character?

[@shkkrimp7344]

Hmm I think trying should be going to at this point

[@Syrius_Li]

I find it interesting that Leo uses Pyra more. I definitely would have expected Mythra more

[@sleepy_Kasai]

I mean, he has experience with slow powerful swordies like ike

[@GrayFox8983]

Pyra = two words: Slept on.

[@xavierlynch1088]

The true end game meta for them will probably be switching for every optimal interaction. It wont be maiming mythra or pyra but both.

[@randommame3052]

Que raro no? Es decir, lo normal es empezar con Mythra y ir bajando daño con sus combos aprovechándose de su velocidad y luego pasar a Pyra para matar, pero Mkleo inicia con Pyra, y usa mas bien poco a Mythra, de hecho en algunas ocasiones hace daño con pyra y cambia a Mythra para matar en la primera ronda, que es lo opuesto a lo que se hace normalmente, no termino de entender como juega su pyra-Mythra pero lo cierto es que funcionan muy bien, se nota que controla muy bien a pyra y a pesar de su lentitud mete la suficiente presión para mantener a cloud a raya, quien sabe si hubiese usado mas a Mythra de haberse encontrado con un oponente mas rapido como pikachu, me deja con ganas de ver mas combates asi, por algo este tipo es el mejor del mundo

[@dinocharlie1]

Smash community: "Pyra's recovery is bad" Leo: "hold my side b, double jump, air dodge" Like, 13:29 WHAT

[@hoodiesticks]

I mean, Mythra could accomplish that with a single side B, but this way is definitely more impressive.

[@dinocharlie1]

That's also not PYRA'S recovery, but I guess using down b counts at her recovery option lol. I have seen people get hit out of it, and Mythra's recovery overall is better cause she won't b line it for the blast zone after reaching the top, but the initial consensus so far I've seen is both characters have pretty poor recoveries since side b doesn't insta-snap the ledge and the up b's are fairly telegraphed and not that far. And half of those side b's I thought there would be too much end lag but nope, maybe she has a higher jump than I thought, but he made some recoveries I thought for sure he was dead even after I saw him make it several times already

[@dahomie253]

@@hoodiesticks he couldn’t have used mythra to recover in that instance because she would get hit out of her side b from the blade beam.

[@azumarill964]

Two geniuses getting the best of each other.

[@brentdavis4763]

I thought I was watching bleach at first smash has come far

[@lilcyrusj]

Esam said MKleo won't be the player when offline tournaments return lol. Ight

[@tomrod1949]

Lmao when/where'd he say that

[@lilcyrusj]

@@tomrod1949 He made a video about it

[@kris0375]

He has no right to talk, he is not in the top 10 even though he is using the strongest character

[@lilcyrusj]

@@kris0375 preach

[@kingofpancakes1278]

no way he said that? esam is known for bad takes, but that’s simply god awful. there’s no way anyone is taking the throne from leo offline even at first imo

[@rickyf4459]

MKLeo is a beast. Still the best in the world

[@williamhowes3010]

"Mythra doesn't have enough kill options". Like a fast F smash, Lightning Buster (which I find unusually busted) and some of the best ledge guarding in the game depending on the character fought? I like to start pyra for ez 30+ because her best combos are at low percent, swap to Mythra while still pressuring till 90%, then it's off with their heads.

[@xavierlynch1088]

Mk leo like ariel kill options Mythra has a decent kill confirm but it's all from grounded set ups. Not to mention that mythra is only ever going to really kill at the ledge.

[@AndoMD]

Man. Leo beating Spargo with a newly released character.... I guess the hype train is right after all.

[@ThatSneakman]

Or Leo is just a good player, that works too

[@SpyderBey]

@@ThatSneakman Pyra/Mythra are great fighters to use, dude. That's true, though.

[@rainmaker6261]

@@ThatSneakman spargo could be better online.

[@SpyderBey]

@@lokks2130 I mean when did we argue? You overreacted XD. Do better.

[@SpyderBey]

@@lokks2130 He said "that works too." As in, BOTH OPTIONS WORK! Learn what "too" means and use your brain. You're talking about people arguing when nobody started arguing until YOU made your ridiculous half-brained comment 💀☠. Have you thought of that? If the comment didn't apply to me, why reply to EVERYONE? Why not just reply to Sneakman? You can individually reply to me, but not Sneakman? Huh, seems to me that you're just trying to dodge your mistakes instead of owning up to them. Do better.

[@janswhatsupdoc]

Mr. R: “so what we calling them Myra or Pythra” Leffen: “how bout Mythra cuz that’s who’s on stage 💯 % of the time lol” Mkleo: hold my sword

[@xavierlynch1088]

Leffen was so weird that video because he said that bit then show cases many scenarios you would want to be swapping into pyra.

[@janswhatsupdoc]

@@xavierlynch1088 never took that clown seriously anyway lol

[@darkmadnessyeayuuh6932]

So mkleo dropped Sephiroth huh? Seems tweak is the only real Sephiroth out there. Respect

[@bobfarley3075]

Wasnt ZackRay playing sephiroth?

[@kris0375]

Sephiroth, the Clunkier Byleth

[@mathunit1]

@@kris0375 Even though Sephiroth is better. :P

[@HizzyVEVO]

The thing about Pyra is she’s more prone to zoning and damage, Mythra is prone to combos and openings, he mains Joker and knows how to play Marth and Ike... hmmm

[@KAIsibs]

Kinda crazy how both are number 1 in their region. MKLeo offline is ranked 1 (but we’ll see how that goes when tourneys come back), and Sparg0 ranked 1 online

[@RandyOrton0721]

Pyra/Mythra is too op, Leo did a great job Spargo is a beast with a mid tier character God of Cloud, no doubt

[@sullivanish]

True except I feel like cloud online is like a low-high tier but pyramythra is just privileged af

[@pimpschlickdikk9479]

@@sullivanish cloud is top tier online bruh wtf??!! and low high offline

[@Merchansy]

clouds not mid tier lmao

[@bruhm0ment6000]

@@pimpschlickdikk9479 opinions

[@acekingdom5050]

@@bruhm0ment6000 I know this is irrelevant, but the word “opinion” minus 3.14 is just an onion.

[@marwanbadr9406]

First game last stock before dying by a few minutes, Spargo could’ve tried limit up-B the Pyra for the kill when she was up high. It’s also an unexpected and creative option.

[@Aflay1]

They are both so highly skilled! Happy to see two anime characters going THIS HAM!

[@parkwayninja41]

As a 15 year old Cloud main, I especially enjoy watching sparg0, the worlds top, 15 year old Cloud main.

[@servicioalcliente1174]

Why people started saying "pilot" instead of the usual word (play)? Am I missing something?

[@IronSmasher1024]

This is an amazing match right here

[@ponderingfox]

Don’t forget, everyone thought Ike was high tier when he mained him as well.

[@sheridan5175]

Everyone still thinks he's high tier. People thought he was top 10 when MKleo played him though 😆

[@MBeefpokey]

Ike is High Tier tho

[@ponderingfox]

That's what I meant. But don't forget people were kinda meh on Ike pre these last buffs.

[@VideoGameManiac8]

people online still get naired to death by Ikes

[@AshenDemon]

1:03 weird seeing this move being used in neutral 😐

[@oscarcantu7047]

why the heck did mk change to byleth at grand finals if he was doing so well with pyra/mythra?

[@kris0375]

He sandbagged for subs

[@oscarcantu7047]

@@kris0375 I believe he did that with DeeDee, but he was defeated with his online main...

[@brandonsolis6911]

I think he didn’t want to overexpose the pyra/mythra. Probably hoping they don’t get nerfed. But also he already qualified he didn’t really care about 1st for the online event

[@DeemerAV]

He says all the time that he just really likes playing Byleth, and loves the character in general. He says he really wants to push the character and prove that the character is good.

[@colinhay1666]

Mythra can actually kill pretty well with confirms into Neutral B, Up smash, and even up air at like 180 lol. That plus foresight punishes makes her formidable even solo.

[@xavierlynch1088]

Her neutral b and f smash are her only really decent kill options at decent percents and that's at ledge. Void even says that mythra doesnt kill at reasonable percents at all. But hes simply used to it.

[@sodaftpm185]

@@xavierlynch1088 Both Pyra and Mythra are still way too overpowered .

[@xavierlynch1088]

@@sodaftpm185 sure but that wasn't really the argument

[@sodaftpm185]

@@xavierlynch1088 Mythra is the better of the two because her movement makes up for her lackluster damage output, like Joker. Movement in platform fighters means everything.

[@xavierlynch1088]

@@sodaftpm185 theres no point in saying whos better you can use both when the optimal time demands it. you never need to use pyra for any situation shes not advantageous in. even leffen thinks pyra is strong when played to her strengths. you never need to play pyra in situations where you dont need to. its a package deal. people are way to used to brawl and melee shiek/zelda and dont understand that the other charater actually offers something of important value. Mk leo put out a how to play so you should watch that too because there is many situations you want to use pyra in. You never only need to play one or the other

[@eddyvenegas3854]

Ojalá jugara igual de bien El Sparg0 en los torneos que cuando pide Money Match en Face :v

[@raincastmusic]

Mkleo has the same main as me and secondary Except he is actually good

[@agamernamedjoe]

Same I’m a Pyra and Joker main

[@Sheamus1212]

Was hoping mkleo would pick up pyra/mythra. Great to see

[@neptuneart551]

"That's gonna work" 😂 11:52

[@dent5672]

I can deal with the stupid fast Mythra that combos me to hell.. But the things Pyra does is just way too far into the "why did that fuck me over?" category. While I think a lot of Pyra's aerial attacks are wayyy to strong - I actually think her giant flaming sword projectile is the most OP thing in the game. It goes so fricken far, does tons of damage as a kill move, has a massive hit box, comes out fast. It invalidates the approach options of 60% of the cast, not to mention ledge guarding. Why does Pythra get to have almost every single attack, any direction you point the controller, be better than most of the cast? She was the same price as the rest of the DLC lol.

[@theexaltedlt8222]

It's only week 2 people are still learning.

[@dent5672]

@@theexaltedlt8222 I really believe this is the one time where everyone is correct in saying a character is OP. Pythras are still learning too. They will only find more ways to confirm. Other than Pythras recovery everything about her makes it so her recovery isn't even a downside. Especially since one of them is a great kill move. Edit: I also think, just based on the patterns of previous DLC, she will end up getting a nerf at some point.

[@theexaltedlt8222]

@@dent5672 yea they still have downsides. Pyra's moves are very telegraphed and slow and you can play around them. Mythra will overextend meaning you can punish them. Photon Edge gets shut down by projectiles. Both their recoveries send them into free fall meaning they have to either up b or side b which don't go that high. Both characters aren't great with escaping juggle pressure.

[@dent5672]

@@theexaltedlt8222 I see your point, but look. Bayo Smash 4 had downsides. In Brawl, I mained Meta Knight and even he had downsides. They were both still OP!

[@theexaltedlt8222]

@@dent5672 difference is bayo could literally negate her flaws and cancel her endlag but grabbing ledge. She was also was kind of light but that doesn't matter when you can kill people at zero. Metaknight was also lightweight but his pros were so good it didn't matter. Pyra/Mythra can not negate their flaws. They don't gain a lot but camping like bayo and meta knight. They can't kill at zero, and they don't have ladder combos that kill you at any percent.

[@droopyrws2021]

Leo knows who the real Babe Is, #TEAMPYRA ;) 🔥🤤

[@bruhm0ment6000]

Waifu wars are still better than Twitter

[@alondite215]

Nobody who has every been actually been with a beautiful woman thinks Pyra is more of a babe than Mythra lol.

[@Geneolgia]

@@alondite215 calm down they're just talking about fictional characters.

[@theryag863]

@@alondite215 there's always this one guy huh

[@alondite215]

@@Geneolgia Who's not calm? I just think it's funny.

[@derp4752]

Who is this Mkleo guy? He's pretty good

[@Lucifer-hq5pe]

Never heard of him, probably a talented newcomer. In a few years, he might become one of the best players worldwide. ;)

[@Lucifer-hq5pe]

@@ABC-ik9vj Let's wish him luck. 🤣

[@thenonexistinghero]

Not enough Pyra neutral B despite many, many chances. Same for Mythra's Foresight not being used for predictable hits/combos.

[@captaincaption]

Why did they make Pyra that thick?

[@enjoyer2227]

Xenoblade developers were horny while making her and Mythra. They’re both actually thiccer and with slightly more revealing outfits in their respective games.

[@xavierlynch1088]

@@enjoyer2227 I mean rex was also pretty revealing everyone in alrest dresses weird.

[@AVAdrian]

Just clicked the video because it was MKLeo against another mexican, but I didn't expect Spargo would be from my city, hell yeah man!

[@PassTheMic2006]

So MkLeo playing Pyra and Mythra is fine, but is he still gonna be playing Joker?

[@welcometoseveneleven801]

Godamn that recovery with pyre damn are my wet dreams

[@maxwellpowers7845]

Quel sens du combat! j'adore, c'est du bonbon pour les yeux!

[@ogferfc]

Pyra and mythra are insane dude!! I think everything that is called DLC hates my friends lmao

[@xsomeoneh8245]

Why?

[@EveryMan-yz1ce]

Since Nintendo has added characters from video games that Square Enix own, like Cloud & Sepheroth, then they need to add Geno from Super Mario RPG. And buy Valentina & Dodo from Square to make spin off games for them. Am I right?

[@DragonshotProductions]

If a video has 69 dislikes than the video has 1,000 plus likes than it did before.

[@BakiX]

Mkleo makes any character look fantastic because he's fantastic at this game. But are we really gonna act like this Pyra/Mythra character doesn't nearly auto pilot all the victories herself? She risk almost nothing for any given situation outside of hanging deep off the ledge. Her physicals hit HUGE, and are either hard (pyra) or fast (myth) and trade in her favor against almost everything. Not to mention she never has to choose sides because almost everything she does hits a full 180 degrees. -Her time slowdown is busted -Her fire pillar slam is crazy fast and covers nearly the entire stage vertically And the list goes on and on, lol. She is so obviously not balanced and receives FAR to much advantages without any real disadvantages. The only other character that has felt this busted is Joker himself, lol. She reaps so many rewards for so minimal effort its crazy, lol.

[@chrislemay3807]

Throw them off stage and they die. It's gonna be ok

[@austinbutman9210]

You put it perfectly Keeper 👌🏼

[@souljatom974]

Thank you ! I totally agree with you, see really needs to be nerfed because everything she does, she risks anything with that frame data and can kill you anytime with pyra... even you are behind her she will touch you. Mythra Side B you can’t see her prepare that mole Sephiroth and the foresight is too much with all advantages she has .. everybody online think they are too good just because they play Pyra/Mythra...

[@mathunit1]

@@chrislemay3807 Smash 4 Cloud says hi.

[@chrislemay3807]

@@mathunit1 Limit Climmhazard was a pretty good recovery

[@mystcat3]

A true talented man vs turbo mods dude?

[@jadonrowe273]

Oh my gosh I didn’t know twice and red velvet played Smash lmao why is Jeongyeon and Seulgi going against each other 😂😂😂

[@Nyangorou1]

Lol I have a hunch Leo pulled lil Spargo into the fandom

[@SAJA-wh5dg]

I have the same question. it's My first time watching a competitive Match and didnt expect my bias fighting each other 😂😂 i'm SO confused

[@bruhm0ment6000]

I thought the side b foot stools are just for yeet smash compilations or little z's every character is op clips but blazing end is actually very viable in high competitive play.

[@McNasty_0]

the kpop is strong with this one

[@lillith7257]

I definitely wouldn't say Leo is the best at bring out the absolute best out of any character but he can surely turn them into a threat And discover where they actually sit viably the best For people who have brought out just so much more in characters Best Ness is a good example of someone who just hits different

[@theexaltedlt8222]

Leo literally defined the joker and ike meta

[@ken7007]

How did i know

[@emantv6343]

Twitter bombarded me when I said Pyra is better then Mythra. NOW YOU SEE IT. I TOLD YOU SO

[@enjoyer2227]

I don’t SEE anything. Just Pyra isn’t better just because Leo uses her a lot.

[@emantv6343]

@@enjoyer2227 ask yourself why he would rather use pyra then mythra?

[@enjoyer2227]

@@emantv6343 Why? Because Leo used to main Ike, who plays very similarly to Pyra in many aspects.

[@emantv6343]

@@enjoyer2227 and pyra is literally a better ike.

[@enjoyer2227]

@@emantv6343 How so? I haven’t played the game since the Pyra and Mythra update.

[@iamdingus]

It didn't even look like Leo was trying. Which is fucked up because Sparg0 is super, super good.

[@Acidknights]

@8:20 "This is a good match" @8:23 "Cloud gettin folded 💀"

[@GrimClock]

Ngl I really loved the commentators for this match

[@serkan47chiller]

Of course mkleo is back with dlcs. Whats wrong i thought you love joker ?

[@178laaleros]

Maybe I suck at this matchup but I prefer using the links against prya

[@protodevilin]

Are we just not gonna talk about 13:18? Blazing End into footstool under the platform, then the hard read on that back roll. MKLeo is absolutely psychic.

[@cottonballs9]

That was insane

[@SShaBazzz]

Pyra is definently going to get nerfed. She is pretty ridiculous.

[@xsomeoneh8245]

She is a waifu

[@ep3357]

I just noticed that spargo and leo's names are jeongyeon and seulgi lol. We got some twice and redvelvet fans here

[@opticaalx5570]

What do you call Mk leo vs spargo... "A Mexican standoff"

[@devastator1313]

Does mkleo not play joker anymore?

[@Yepitsmedude]

I knew his Pyra would be *fire* due to his Ike gameplay. They’re kinda the same (not exactly of course) with their plan of attack.