How to stop a CREAKY rear hub (Shimano 12-speed Micro Spline overhaul) | Syd Fixes Bikes

[@sydfixesbikes]

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[@Flux_Flow]

When I disassemble complex thing with multiple parts, I grab my phone and snap a few shots or video of what it looks like during the process.

[@jonathanleis8874]

Simple but effective 😁

[@joshuastrong2398]

@@jonathanleis8874 taking a digital photo is actually an incredibly sophisticated portrait of what happened

[@ofacid3439]

That's the thing I promise to myself to do next time every day as my assemblies use to turn out to picking up the wreckage cluelessly around the room

[@smiling.ljrides5083]

Good idea 👍

[@turtleman190]

I do this every time except the time i drop everything without seeing where it goes

[@lagwall]

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[@darkfrost1901]

Excellent tutorial! Thank you!

[@steveclarke96]

Hey Syd. You forgot one tool in your list - 1 x cat LOL

[@sydfixesbikes]

Good point!

[@jezadrian2230]

I just have one question Do you guys sell Bikes?

[@billgibson4232]

Can anybody tell me the correct part number to replace the plastic spacer thingi? Mine lasted about 750 miles and when I pulled it out to service it, there were 4 missing little platic teeth/hairs!!

[@jindrichsmetak4777]

Super👌

[@WogsRus1]

I have these hubs on my Mt Bromo N8 ebike and whist the absolute silence and instant engagement as fantastic, the reliability is Soo poor it's not funny. I have distroyed 4 hubs in 600kms die to the plastic carrier failing. These may be ok on an XC bike but no so good for anything else. The XTR use a different carrier which is more robust.

[@JuJu13406]

A few days ago i worked on my bike an put a bolt on the ground. While doing this i repeatedly heard Syd‘s voice in my head telling me to not put sh*t on the ground. I didn‘t listen. Now, of course, the bolt is gone and i will never refuse to listen to Syd‘s advice again.

[@GeekonaBike]

almost any old magnet will save U trips to the hardware store/LBS

[@SirJohnCalzone]

Or, you can up your tool game and get yourself a magnetic bowl for storing bits and pieces. They're really nifty and you can get them in a hardware store. Edit : Also, magnets. Magnets are always a good idea!

[@kopfrein]

I don't even have a 12-speed Shimano, but still loved the video. You people are great. 👍

[@unbrokenreed]

If someone crept deeper into this hub, below I am adding material that shows how to assembler the entire module. kzbin.info/www/bejne/o5aQi3-JiKeegaM

[@Adam-xo7cv]

I always lay out a clean rag and place parts in order from left to right as I disassemble them. That way I know which order the parts go back in!

[@dkumagai30]

Here's an obscure one. If you have a reproducible creak under hard pedaling (once under tension and once when tension is released), try loosening your rear thru-axle. If the creak disappears, you might be able to fix it by regreasing the thru-axle and the dropouts. I dealt with this for about a month before managing to fix it.

[@nick-ish]

U a G for this, I was about to attempt to replace my freewheel bearings until I saw this comment

[@akshatanand7563]

Hello sister you are creating awesome content

[@1969mtb]

All good…in fact i had the same problem….I wish Shimano would stop making PLASTIC parts where there are so much rotation/force involved…. kinda lame

[@Nostoc42]

Dear God thank you, I rode all summer with a creaky rear wheel that no one seemed to be able to fix. Just greased the hub, and it's suddenly as silent as the day I bought it.

[@andyeunson270]

I had a creak on a DTSwiss 240 hub with an XTR 12 speed cassette. There is a very thin clear plastic spacer that I had lost when assembling the bike. I made one with a Dremel from a clear plastic berry container from the grocery store. Creak solved. My LBS got another proper spacer for me from Shimano. It was free. I was able to detect a tiny amount of play in the cassette while the wheel was mounted. But that was the creak and that’s all it was. The new XTR cassette packaging allows one to push the cassette on the hub while pulling out the plastic packaging. I didn’t do that and lost the plastic shim that way the LBS said only XTR cassettes had the spacer.

[@sydfixesbikes]

Yup, that's a cause of creaks on the early version of 12-speed XTR cassettes.

[@wolkuz]

Done this like 4 times, and finally got my self the new DT swiss H1700 wheel with re retched system, no problems 4000km

[@coolcycles]

'Pie' He thinks eating She thinks baking Lucky guy.... Marriage.

[@rikejmijakchces]

Good video. 🤟 Greet you Bikemechanic from the Czech Republic

[@sprousaTM]

Oh my god. So I basically ripped apart my whole drivetrain because of that creaking. It started shortly after changing to an oval chainring.. Coincidence I guess. Checked if oval is correctly mounted, checked derailleur since it is getting pulled forward and backwards by the oval.. checked tension on spokes, checked how tightened the cassette is.. nothing helped. Then this video gets recommended to me for no aparent reason.. thanks a lot, its gone now :D

[@ThunderStruckMTB]

Nice video for those with these hubs, and also, thank you DT Swiss!

[@carnestrucking6134]

I just recently got back into mountain biking when my son showed interest and I absolutely LOVE this channel. Really inspires confidence to dig in and repair/understand your bike yourself. Keep up the good work!

[@mattkavanaugh5623]

I enjoyed the video as always, and even if I don't have to deal with a Shimano freehub I learned good stuff about snap rings and springs... :) Thanks!

[@sagehiker]

LOVE the cat fur coated tools ( 1 minute recap ) Well done. Especially confident field tested mechanic now. And yep, don't force s%$t. Hard for this older roustabout.

[@Andresmtbenduroht]

I do that every month with my (second) 🤣xt hub, it doesnt stops creaking and the plastic piece is fine cause i take care of it and now i have a shimano deore mt-410, the problem is solved, heavier but much cheaper than the crappy xt but great video👍

[@zoranpl]

And you have real bearings in mt410 ,not shitty cup and cone like in all their others shimano hubs...

[@paullittleton1974]

Wanna thank you for your detailed explanation on this particular topic. My creaky hub has been driving me nuts for months! I’ve been a little nervous about getting in too deep and messing up my stuff, but this video was a fantastic guide and an inspiration. My hub is much, much better now :)

[@Joeytv12]

very informative vlog.thank you guys!!! Ridesafe always!

[@mrgoatbeard]

Have nukeproof hub that started creaking...eh I didn't want to remove all of this but guess it is time. LETS GOOOOOO

[@snat6299]

Really good video thanks

[@alexmalone1642]

Hello from Bucharest România!I learn more about from bikes with u!thanks 🌹

[@joukesmink1424]

I also had a cracking noise in my 1-year-old MTB and discovered this video. The instructions are very clear and it takes only 30 minutes and the problem seems to be solved. Thanks for that! Note that the procedure is also explained on the Shimano website: na.s-tec.shimano.com/s3_assets/filelibrary/Hub_and_Wheel/Microspline_Lubrication_Procedure.pdf. I bought both types of grease. Is that really necessary? Or can you also use the premium grease for the hub?

[@wawaron1407]

Honnetement its a lot of vid on the net, but even with your low cost hand made with love shad, your tuto is shinny above most of them. Its simply "talk" to the viewer in straight fwd popular way, (includong the commun mistikes we will moke it by DYI metohd)... When i want to know, i watch Syd 😍and lesson Maky🤫, then i know😌... Simple comme bonjour!🤩

[@ancogbernard]

i'm using cheap bike grease and its perfectly fine😁

[@saxmon3000]

Love your videos! New to MTB so learning a lot! But I know tools! The "pokey tool" is called an awl. Keep the videos coming! Best wishes and successes!

[@doncrescas]

Great video on a fairly complex part, but once you have taken it apart, an overhaul of a loose bearing hub such as this entails replacement of the ball bearings. Doing so will allow these hubs to last for years and years.

[@kovie9162]

This somewhat reminds me of the inside of a manual transmission, with synchros and dog teeth and such. I actually have to overhaul my freehub for a different reason, play in the hub. Totally different freehub design so none of this applies (thanks, Mavic, for designing a freehub that requires that you destroy a bearing to service it!). But still interesting to watch. And, I too hate removing rear wheels. It's almost never smooth.

[@Bautec41]

I've just watched this again and in 2:45 Syd is reffering to a comment about removing derailleur to take out the wheel. Well, I've just had to do this yesterday. My friends gravel bike was designed in a way that hanger is in an offset of about 1mm in reference to dropout on the frame. Bad design I guess, I had to remove hanger in order to get wheel out! Good thing was that hanger bolt was in a good position. That bike is Kross Esker 5.0

[@SirJohnCalzone]

Great to see you guys back in the shed! Don't have any issues with my hub, but watching you two go over to process is really comfy to watch. :) I do have two questions though and would love to hear your takes: first, how do high end hubs differ from other ones? And second - I've noticed that for some people a loud hub is somewhat of a point of pride, what's up with that? Only reason I can think is that the sound of a beehive acts as an early warning for other people on the trail?

[@sydfixesbikes]

We agree on the hub noise. Not sure why you'd rather hear your hub than the trail... In terms of high vs low end hubs, we'll admit to having pretty much no experience with low end ones, so can't really compare them.

[@DavidG2P]

Thanks for your awesome video! Did Shimano actually change anything inside the freewheel mechanism when they stopped marketing them as "silent", in order for the freewheel not to actively disengage anymore (as originally advertised and shown in their Scylence videos)?

[@Themilkmanskid.]

Whenever I search for a 12 speed microspline freehub body, I get ones with pawls, but in this vid this looks like a rachet system freehub. I'm a newbie at this stuff though.

[@janeblogs324]

8:55 shimano have updated this plastic part but they still self destruct within a year. Many owners agree it should've been recalled, these hubs will cause many wheel sets to end up in the bin

[@Leo-gt1bx]

You need to take pictures when you're pulling stuff apart that you're not familiar with. I fix stuff for a living and it's a vital habit.

[@solarheat9016]

New rear hubs should not do this. From what it looks like, the design is flawed and should be avoided in favor of the FH-MT400 and FH-MT500 series which use a paw and ratchet system.

[@razmtb5028]

as always nice tutorial guys!!! \m/

[@DanTuber]

jack should have it's own channel

[@oua-mtb6823]

Hey, Have You guys ever stripped the cassette lock ring? I strip mine every damn time. I put a new one on and then when I go to reinstall it, it strips out. I've had to buy 3 replacement rings. I torque it to 40N-M like the lock ring says.

[@ibcrypto6139]

F.Y.I. sometimes the end cap/cone is stuck. I have a Shimano CS-M7100 10-51t 12-Speed and its stuck. Others have had similar issue.

[@cgsent257]

God day I ask my father to fix my shimano front wheel and he can’t fix it it is still shaking so can you do a video how to fix it plz

[@benstanski]

i have a old trek 7000 and 8speed freehub was frozen from dirt/lubricant+ cleaning products turned to a glue effect on paws.used wd 40,pb blaster and lysol at different days to get black dirt come out

[@utfhunter]

Hello, i need your help. I bought the same hub 8110-b, but the silent mode does not work, from the very beginning, I don’t know what to do?😢

[@whodispuresouls7758]

My bikev creeeeaaaakkss all day long but everything is tight🙆🏾‍♂️🤷🏼‍♂️ I have shimano 7 speed..

[@turbine50]

Hope this helps too. Official procedure: drive.google.com/file/d/1Xl7GNwKBM4fDBi62swHjOzBcnz0mp3yJ/view?usp=drivesdk

[@milenkovitcheightysix3466]

Trashy overengineered hubs, save time and in the long term save money = buy DT SWISS 350 or HOPE hubs

[@Joe-wk9ow]

a rule of thumb while you have the cassette removed you may want to check and lube your wheel bearings.

[@davidcisneros8886]

Nice video, but lots of unnecessary chat. Either she is explaining or the other guy....so just one person speaks. The one minute explanation at the end was super useful than mentioned above

[@andrewh7868]

Wait, I only know 1,000,006 causes of creaks. What are the other 4?

[@chrispictures]

If you have a Shimano 12-speed micro spline hub, especially one from a couple years ago, you've probably dealt with it seizing and tearing your derailleur off before throwing it away.

[@janeblogs324]

Many owners agree it should've been recalled

[@tomerttb]

Very bad idea to use pliers to remove an end cap, you should use fingers or a vise or a puller. pliers will definitely mark that soft aluminum and your axle will get eaten down by that mark.

[@GHinWI]

Interesting…that freehub seems really complicated inside compared with 3 pawls and springs.. Kind of a solution in search of a problem.

[@detectorbeauty6463]

hi, I can ask you a question? I just buy a second-hand bike from Fri but sound Strange even I not kick a bike it trek marlin 6

[@gustavomello6667]

Great video....first time I've seen it in English. Just a heads up!! People in Brazil have been complaining about this creaking from just about when they released this microspline system. Some people also said that the CREAK comes back after a while and i guess you have to regrease it every time.

[@joeyriveira6697]

Hey all . I learned years ago that grease is ur best buddy when it comes to bicycles . Wherever there is a part that has contact with another part grease it there . Especially the seat post , bottom bracket & cranks to crank arms . It sux to go and remove a seat post to find it bonded to the seat tube . This is super common when u add friction & grime from cleaning regularly . Best rule is grease before installing & periodically remove parts to grease and inspect .

[@dustynationDH]

You Talk so much. Crazy. To much. When u come to the right Part?

[@jimbob4456]

Nothing personal, but I think I like Jack the best. 🤓 He’s a cool cat.

[@pagalpila4087]

Plz reply ,which bike you are using right now shimano which model

[@twinwankel]

Syd, I wouldn't recommend you work on carburetors if you have problems putting complex components back together again. It's better to take pictures as you remove parts so you know the order you took them apart. Snap ring pliers do work better if the rings are stiff. Looks like those rings are not so a better solution would be to use two right angle picks. I would just use lithium or superlube instead of buying a special grease on something that doesn't have that high of temperature. It doesn't make much sense to me. Thanks.

[@ProDMiner]

hey ty for this, helped me understand alot more about the hubs.

[@adamputu5448]

That thin spacer or dust cover or what i don't know the name of that part is it i can using picking tool?

[@tronmepc]

Thank you so much for this video! I was almost going to take my bike into the shop after spending 5 hours hunting for this creak and your video was the solution I needed! 🥳

[@goodlad7]

Hi mate 🙂 great to see you again

[@dlastmohican71]

🤔, I have this same shimano but mine doesn't look like yours

[@jackiegammon2065]

Great video! When I first started wrenching, I would do the same thing... not pay attention to the order of how parts came off. I then learned to take them off in order, and lay them on the bench in the order they came off. I guess you also take a photo of the parts as well. But, aside from that, thanks for sharing!!

[@rjoly8029]

This wheel set worth while or spend the extra $ on a DT 350?

[@Bittersfamily0424]

I just purchased an SLX hub with this same design. How many miles before I grease, and how many miles before I replace the white plastic spacer? I see a lot of negative reviews on these Shimano SLX, XT and XTR hubs. I personally clean and service my drive hubs monthly.

[@sydfixesbikes]

Monthly would be plenty. We generally leave ours alone unless they're creaking.

[@memepasmal77]

just as she takes the wheel off I stopped watching the video

[@uwegenosdude]

Thank your very much for this cool video. It helped me a lot !! Shimano recommends to use seal grease for the C-Ring and the cap which locks all together. You did not use such grease. Isn't it necessary? And do I have to grease the freehub body before inserting the cassette? I've never seen this in other videos.

[@sydfixesbikes]

We always grease the freehub body as it decreases tht likelihood of creaking.

[@robertquigley2036]

Thanks for this video, the creak has been driving my nuts. Have you guys had any of the teeth break off of that thin white piece? I found 2 broken when I took mine apart, just hoping that it's not a major issue

[@sydfixesbikes]

Yeah, we've found the same in some hubs. If you can find a replacement (which can be hard) then go ahead and replace. If not, I suspect it'll be fine.

[@anthonyhum8739]

Is this for all microspliine drivers? Or only applies to MS Shimano hubs ? Thanks

[@sydfixesbikes]

Just Shimano MS hubs

[@beafmilk]

Hey guys can you recommend me quite or silent rear hub. I need a boost one 148mm with central lock for the disk, 32 holes. I don't do downhill stuff, and I cannot see the point of loud hubs when riding casualty. Mine annoys me allot.

[@sydfixesbikes]

We love the Shimano XT wheels. They're silent and centerlock/microspline. These are the trail version, not 32H, but we've put them through a lot and they are super strong. bit.ly/3y1StGQ

[@larpylarpster]

That last minute was excellent.

[@wyndward]

Thanks! Another very helpful video for a new(ish) bike commuter who is interested in taking care repairs and services without relying on a bike shop.

[@sydfixesbikes]

You're very welcome!

[@raymondrogers9530]

I think I am in love with you syd😍😘😘😎

[@natulasnatulas8850]

hello I have a shimano microspline FH-MT401 rear hubs and im so confused of what cassete should i use. can please help me😁

[@sydfixesbikes]

If you have a microspline hub, you need to run a Shimano 12-speed cassette

[@technomindof6878]

Grease on a freehub body?! 🤔 thats a new one to me…

[@soulevolution2735]

Just wondering. How do i diagnose if the hub is causing the creaking sound? Any methods to use before dismantling?

[@sydfixesbikes]

If it seems like it's coming from the back of the bike, especially under load (while pedaling) there's a pretty good chance it's the hub.

[@qwweerrt6777]

maam do you have spare hydraulic brake

[@timchapman5553]

One minute but this was a 13 minute video

[@shiftervlogz9717]

Watseng From Philippines👍❤

[@zdravo4]

You buy DT Swiss

[@fra93ilgrande]

Ratchet System ❤️

[@zdravo4]

@@fra93ilgrande exactly, that’s my next upgrade

[@fra93ilgrande]

⁠that has to be greased inside as well, possibly with its specific grease

[@krakorala]

nepomaha....po 300-400 km znovu zvuky

[@hannes6114]

Can you make this hub noisy?

[@HandcraftedDrumscom]

Great video, @sydfixesbikes! Wondering how long you have been running the XT hubs (kms or years), provided the freehub mech was maintained? I've seen issues with the freehub teeth and hub shell being damaged but not sure if that's common or results from lack of service.

[@14TacomaDR]

I bought Specialized levo Turbo Comp last March. Really enjoying it . I had to replace the chain and rear sprockets last winter . Then I had to take it into my shop Saturday it wasn't shifting properly and a clicking noise ..The say the free hub needs to be replaced .And they are back ordered until August !!! . And I just keep driving and hope it lasts until they do. But I am wondering now why they cant just do what you did.

[@flycubfly]

Thanks for the tip . I just happened to have my free hub off and added the grease as you said . Now , “easy as pie” has nothing to do with food . Its referring to “ pi R squared “ a mathematical equation to easily find the area of a circle . Know you know . 😎

[@JohnBarker-by1nt]

I have a Lowrider bike when i went cruisin yesterday with my nephew to fry's grocery store i was letting my nephew bout my creaky squeaky handlebars i hope ik didn't hop it to hard maybe its beerings inside the handlebars ony way back i didn't hear it anymore i sprayed wd40 on the handlebar part

[@banditeastlick2471]

@13:10 Well, Look at that..... Already forgotten rule number 1.... Don't force shot

[@islandaerial3414]

I HAVE to flip my bike upside down to get my rear wheel back in... 🙅 If you don't have a whip tool, just use an old piece of chain and a Vice Grip 👍

[@tomislavmatijevic3653]

I have upgraded my bike to xt freehub. After 300 miles squeeking started. So it looks like it was not an issue only on the first series 1×12 xt hub :(. I fallowed this "how to" step by step and voila. No more squeeking. Sid and guys, you rock. Tnx a lot. Greetings from Croatia.