Sye Ten Bruggencate | Apologetics is easy - Believe your Bible

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@johnelliott5859
@johnelliott5859 Жыл бұрын
Sye is in the same epistemological boat as the rest of us. Whether it is general or special revelation, he is at the mercy of his uncertain perceptions. Any other claim is just special pleading.
@rafaelallenblock
@rafaelallenblock 9 ай бұрын
Yep: Sye has to borrow from MY worldview [pragmatism. 1] collect data 2] compare it to reality 3] make decisions 4] observe outcomes] in order to make his bold claims.
@kyriacostheofanous1445
@kyriacostheofanous1445 9 ай бұрын
The bible is evidently divinely inspired. Cope.
@johnelliott5859
@johnelliott5859 9 ай бұрын
@@kyriacostheofanous1445 you may not be using the word evidently properly. Considering the many errors in the bible as evidence, along with the immoral nature of the god it describes, the evidence is does not point to a divinity but a human made collection of books chosen by men.
@NayBuster
@NayBuster 8 ай бұрын
There is no "us" or "we" here. Theists aren't the ones who believe that they could be a brain in a vat or a simulation to begin with. There is nothing outside of the norm for the theist when challenged, it goes on like everyday life. It's the atheists who is standing on theist's grounds in everyday life and when they challenge the theists, what the presupp does is confiscate said grounds resulting in atheists being kicked out not knowing that we weren't ever in their boat to begin with.
@nevalainenjussi
@nevalainenjussi 6 ай бұрын
​@@johnelliott5859Hello John. I'm not entirely sure whether or not you're seeking the truth or not. So here's a couple questions for you: 1. A) What exactly do you think is immoral about God? B) Why? 2. A) Is there such a thing as morality? B) If so, from whom or where does it come from? Thank you in advance.
@BrotherWells
@BrotherWells 10 жыл бұрын
What happens when someone goes from a shakeable faith to an unshakeable one? I can answer that in regards of my own life. Here is what happens - God gives them the gift of repentance and with the power of the Holy Spirit, they are able to repent, turn from their sins and then place all their trust and faith in Jesus Christ for their salvation. That, I believe is what happens because, that is what happened to me and all thanks and praise is given to Him for bringing me to life
@TFOURIE
@TFOURIE 5 жыл бұрын
Amen. Jesus is Lord.
@MarkCowperthwaite
@MarkCowperthwaite 5 жыл бұрын
"When Scripture says... Believe it!" That sums it up nicely, and truly the Word of God is the ultimate standard for all knowledge.
@ChessArmyCommander
@ChessArmyCommander 5 жыл бұрын
Amen.
@Claudia-sk1ls
@Claudia-sk1ls 5 жыл бұрын
So.. in other words just follow scripture blindly?
@johnelliott5859
@johnelliott5859 Жыл бұрын
Except there are so many wrong things in the bible. Why would I think it is the ultimate standard?
@Fletch6
@Fletch6 12 жыл бұрын
Sye, thanks for this great video. You have helped me to see that Christianity has become impotent and is on its last legs.This is the last, desperate, defense of a religion with is full of nothing.
@BOASTinTheLORD
@BOASTinTheLORD 4 жыл бұрын
The hate on this comment section is like no other. That's how we know it's true!!! I was assaulted when I starting Presuppositional apologetic, before I never was!
@Fletch6
@Fletch6 4 жыл бұрын
@@BOASTinTheLORD Another option is that presuppostional apologetics just suck. And wow, did you really just comment on an 8 year old post?
@BOASTinTheLORD
@BOASTinTheLORD 4 жыл бұрын
You replied didn't you? And since the subject is timeless, why not?
@johnelliott5859
@johnelliott5859 Жыл бұрын
@@BOASTinTheLORD the presup position is faulty. It special pleads for an absolute known ultimate god. But that knowledge, through either special or general revelation is subject to one's uncertain perceptions. We are all in the same epistemological boat. Sye's argument is circular. I assume god exists, therefore god exists.
@ProofThatGodExists
@ProofThatGodExists 12 жыл бұрын
//"How do you KNOW"// Cause God has revealed it such that we know it for certain. If you deny this possibility you will have to state how you are certain that this is not possible. //"You can assume using any deity."// No, there are no other deities. If you would like to argue that there are, the floor is yours. //"Sye again how do you know you are not mentally ill"// Through revelation from God with the tools He has given us. How do you know that you are not?
@Thezuule1
@Thezuule1 10 жыл бұрын
Apologetics is easy when you do it the Sye Ten way! Just keep asking "How do you know that?" after every single thing anyone says even if you agree 100% with them!
@BLarsenPhoto
@BLarsenPhoto 10 жыл бұрын
How do you know that? Presuppositional apologetics isn't a Sye thing, it's a Bible thing - just look at how many questions God and Jesus asked people in the Bible.
@Thezuule1
@Thezuule1 10 жыл бұрын
Except what you're talking about is called the Socratic Method, asking questions in order to teach, this guy Socrates was born 400 years before Jesus was.
@BLarsenPhoto
@BLarsenPhoto 10 жыл бұрын
Thezuule1 God was using the socratic method long before Socrates was born. Just look at questions God asks people in the Bible.
@Thezuule1
@Thezuule1 10 жыл бұрын
The Bible is mostly a work of fiction first of all so I'm not going to just side with your assumption. Secondly the fucking Socratic method is named after the guy who developed it. Just asking someone a question isn't the Socratic method...
@BLarsenPhoto
@BLarsenPhoto 10 жыл бұрын
Thezuule1 Your swearing indicates anger which confirms the truth of what I'm saying. The questions God and Jesus asked people in the Bible were often designed to surface peoples faulty beliefs. For example God to Adam - Who told you you were naked? Where are you Adam? God knew where Adam was, but wanted Adam to be confronted with the consequences of his sin. Jesus with the pharisees also put people in the horns of a dilemma. So I'm sorry but Socrates borrowed his ideas from the God of the Bible. The question is - how do you know that this isn't the case? Do you think it's impossible for God to exist?
@ImKingGinger
@ImKingGinger 12 жыл бұрын
I always find it silly that Atheists have to resort to a God argument to attempt to try and defeat the Presuppositional apologetic but never remain an atheist and try to defeat it.
@errolhenry9546
@errolhenry9546 6 жыл бұрын
Crown Rights Media thank God For truth. You have just exposed a basic principal: sheep in wolf's clothing. Thank-you
@Kaymen1980
@Kaymen1980 6 жыл бұрын
Crown Rights Media You presupposed your senses above anything else long before you learned about the god. Ergo the entire foundation of you is rooted in my worldview, and then you fell, or got pushed into a rabbit hole. How is the view from down there?
@jamesleighdavis138
@jamesleighdavis138 6 жыл бұрын
Crown Rights Media I come from the presupposition that god doesn’t exist. Since only men profess to speak for god and god never speaks for himself I assert he is a man made invention and thus imaginary and false.
@jamesleighdavis138
@jamesleighdavis138 6 жыл бұрын
No person has the right or capacity to speak for god. I won’t listen to fallible humans who have the arrogance to claim they know the mind of a god least of all Sye. If there’s a god, he can come address humanity himself. Sye are you god? No? Shut your mouth and stop speaking like you know something.
@PaulA-fp3vs
@PaulA-fp3vs 5 жыл бұрын
Crown Rights Media Let me ask you with all due respect. Do you support the idea that the Universe makes sense with a God creator.
@richardchavarria8153
@richardchavarria8153 Жыл бұрын
Hi Sye I just watched Todd’s video Best top 13 books Christians should read. What would your top books to read?
@lester--glz6636
@lester--glz6636 6 жыл бұрын
Sye has changed the way I defend the faith to other people. Thank you.
@Kaymen1980
@Kaymen1980 6 жыл бұрын
Lester Gonzalez R. So, not only are you in a rabbit hole.. You also tied yourself to a chair down there.. Good job..
@yhwyorthehwy2476
@yhwyorthehwy2476 6 жыл бұрын
me to bro
@BOASTinTheLORD
@BOASTinTheLORD 4 жыл бұрын
@@Kaymen1980 How can you make these claims?
@Kaymen1980
@Kaymen1980 4 жыл бұрын
@@BOASTinTheLORD What do you mean; "how"..? It doesn't take much to see that presup apologetics is a declaration of intellectual bankruptcy.
@BOASTinTheLORD
@BOASTinTheLORD 4 жыл бұрын
@@Kaymen1980 Is that true?
@erikhaynes5506
@erikhaynes5506 9 ай бұрын
If everyone knows God exists shouldn't there be more people repenting to escape being in hell forever?
@ChaoThing
@ChaoThing 6 жыл бұрын
I love Sye. He causes the Christians to fight with each other, which is a wonderful source of entertainment. He's one of the biggest reasons I'm an atheist now. Thank you Sye. Thank you.
@barbieduggan
@barbieduggan 6 жыл бұрын
I imagine sye would say “ than you were never a Christian to start with “
@jmacann580
@jmacann580 5 жыл бұрын
No he speaks truth. Don’t blame him for your folly in being an atheist.
@nhlakaniphosithole-kaCondo
@nhlakaniphosithole-kaCondo 5 жыл бұрын
..... Atheism does not exist.... And if in any sense you believe you were a Christian and you quit/left, don't fool yourself you, YOU WERE NEVER A CHRISTIAN IN THE 1ST PLACE..... May the Lord grant you repentance
@dericwilson2578
@dericwilson2578 5 жыл бұрын
It’s sad looking at people being gullible at your age,there are other Christians I would rather listen to then this guy. I am glad my parents don’t have a mind like him or anyone I know and they are a Christian,this guy idk he is just not the guy anyone shouldn’t listen to
@talanock
@talanock 5 жыл бұрын
@@nhlakaniphosithole-kaCondo If I was never a christian by your own words, then I was always an Athiest, which would therefor mean Atheism exists... you just rebutted yourself.
@rafaelallenblock
@rafaelallenblock 9 ай бұрын
Sye: I believe in God? Q: How do you know that? Sye: Because I read it in scripture. Q: How do you know that? Sye: Because God told me so. Q: How do you know that? Sye: Because I read in in scripture. Sye is not a smart man.
@tigerlilly66
@tigerlilly66 8 жыл бұрын
Pontius Pilate ask Jesus "what is truth? his answer proves that Viva knowsn nothing of reality... I am the way, the truth, and the life. no man comes unto the Father but by me. Know Jesus, know reality. No Jesus, no reality.
@ZiplineShazam
@ZiplineShazam 8 жыл бұрын
"No Rockabilly ? No Beatles. Know Rockabilly. Know Beatles." -Albert d. Xavier
@spiritualbully
@spiritualbully 12 жыл бұрын
God is not the only possible justification for knowledge, it may be for you, but it's not for others.
@JMUDoc
@JMUDoc 6 жыл бұрын
Me - "I presuppose the laws of logic". Sye - "I presuppose the thing that accounts for the laws of logic." Sye has one extra presupposition so, by Occam's Razor, my perspective wins.
@JJ-gq6sf
@JJ-gq6sf 6 жыл бұрын
JMUDoc and you now need to presuppose the existence of wherever you got your consciousness from... and next your absolute standard of morality (if you have one... or maybe you are ok with murder, so long as nobody finds out. This opinion can be held while being consistent with the atheist worldview, though it's not necessary of course.) Hmm, no doubt there are more presuppositions required. Oh yeah, how about subjective pain, and pleasure...
@JMUDoc
@JMUDoc 6 жыл бұрын
IME Consciousness follows from the laws of physics, whose consistency stems from the (presumed) principle of induction - a law of logic.
@JJ-gq6sf
@JJ-gq6sf 6 жыл бұрын
JMUDoc OK, so you presuppose that consciousness arises from physics, there's a second presupposition. As a side note, that logical consistency is part of physics is undoubtedly true. But it doesn't account for the entirety of physics, e.g. You need matter, and forces too. I guess you need to presuppose those too eh. To be fair, I think your argument is very much doomed to failure. To be candid with you, if I were you I'd start looking for another argument... or contemplate some more and concede to the truth. Take care
@JMUDoc
@JMUDoc 6 жыл бұрын
I never said I presupposed that consciousness arises from physics; that's a deduction FROM a presupposition. I don't need to presuppose the existence of matter and forces because those are evident. There's no way to deduce any of this from the mere presupposition that a god exists, so these have to be presupposed by the theist as well. That leaves them, still, with one extra.
@JJ-gq6sf
@JJ-gq6sf 6 жыл бұрын
JMUDoc you've deduced that consciousness arises from physics?! If that we're true you'd have solved one of the greatest questions that exists. I think you mean that you presuppose :) just as I said. Yes, matter and forces are evident, but you cannot simply state them as being evident as though that were sufficient: my point was that their origin (or eternal existence, as you may prefer), in your view, requires additional presupposition... As I had said. I would suggest that the Christian presuppositional thesis is that (1) God exists and (2) the Bible is divinely inspired. I can't think of anything that this doesn't account for. Apologies for the double negative. So in conclusion, I assert that you still need to separately presuppose: An ultimate basis for Logic The origin of the substance of the physical universe The origin of the forces of the universe (I'm giving you credit for a grand unified theory here as well...which no one has found yet. In fact, feel free to extend this to the existence of matter, stated previously... Because you are still in a huge hole that you cannot escape from) The origin of the physical constants of the universe The source of the universe's energetic entropy Consciousness Sensorial experience No doubt there's more, as these are off the top of my head.
@Iteachu2beninja
@Iteachu2beninja 10 жыл бұрын
Perhaps you could say it would be circular for me to use my reasoning to justify my reasoning. But at the same time, would it not be even worse to use my reasoning to disprove my reasoning? Would that not be instantly self-defeating?
@BrotherWells
@BrotherWells 10 жыл бұрын
Love this video. Such a great lecture and had to post it on my Facebook so that others may see it as well. Brother Sye Ten Bruggencate, may Christ our Lord continue to bless you and use you for His glory
@WhysoSeriousSamual
@WhysoSeriousSamual 10 жыл бұрын
Yes so great. Lucky my 4 year old grew out of the How do you know stage a long time ago.
@TFOURIE
@TFOURIE 5 жыл бұрын
@Eric Wells Jesus Christ bless you, brother.
@jesperjee
@jesperjee 3 жыл бұрын
Ask god to bless Sye with a brain. If he does I may consider believing he exists.
@sogannere3359
@sogannere3359 10 жыл бұрын
'The bible says that you know that god exists and you're suppressing the truth and unrighteousness and that you need god to reason about anything' If you need god to reason about anything then how can you reason that god exists? How can you conclude that you can know anything even that god exists, if you're unable to reason without him? How can you hope to conclude that the source of your supposed revelation and truth is accurate when your reasoning is unacceptable without an external source to validate it? And if you can't use your own reasoning, then how can you ever trust any revelation?
@anikkol
@anikkol 10 жыл бұрын
This is one of the best sermons I've ever heard. Ever..
@Radioposting
@Radioposting 5 жыл бұрын
have you lost your mind?
@OKandNOWwhat
@OKandNOWwhat 11 жыл бұрын
I didn't have the privilege to be raised to trust this God. I met Him the day after Firstfruits (which fell on Easter that year) while visiting Sydney, Australia. A year later, Jesus asked me, "What does 'Sydney' mean?" I didn't know. "There's a bookstore. Go look it up." I went to the baby name section, opened a book, & read, "Sydney: to lure; the winding shroud of Christ" So, He lured me to Sydney by His Easter shroud where my friend B.E. Leef would pray for me to meet Him. Enjoy your life.
@braddockakalatis2
@braddockakalatis2 9 жыл бұрын
I once sent Sye a request for a recommendation for a urologist so I could get a vasectomy and protect my kids from hell. He sent me a link for urologists. I told him I needed a bible-literalist-young-earth-creationist urologist who specializes in vasectomies to prevent hell. He sent me a link on how to do my own vasectomy. Can anyone tell me why people have kids when an eternal hell is waiting for most of us Matthew 7:13-14?
@ZiplineShazam
@ZiplineShazam 8 жыл бұрын
Thank you !! Yes My question Exactly !!! I will never understand the reason why Christians want to bring more innocent children into a "fallen world" !
@damianwhite9058
@damianwhite9058 5 жыл бұрын
Mister Sye, sir, you sir are an exquisite example of sublime and delectable beauty, sir.
@johnjordan3314
@johnjordan3314 4 жыл бұрын
Presuppositional Apologetics is veritable semantic HS. And it is also the end of the long road of literal belief in the Bible. All their arguments have been met and found wanting.... thus they retreat to questioning the very reality of any human perception. It is idiotic, nonsensical & most of all.... cowardly
@lester--glz6636
@lester--glz6636 4 жыл бұрын
lol no
@johnjordan3314
@johnjordan3314 4 жыл бұрын
Lester- -Glz No what? Curious.
@brad8448
@brad8448 4 жыл бұрын
Haha strawman much?
@DeconvertedMan
@DeconvertedMan 11 жыл бұрын
I'll think on this issue more and study it so that I can do my best on such an idea. :)
@3theghost
@3theghost 10 жыл бұрын
None of you atheists here are actually refuting his argument. All you're doing is *crying*.
@ottoschutz4269
@ottoschutz4269 10 жыл бұрын
>> Read it! Believe it! And don't ask why. Not to think about it is the most reliable method to believe any nonsense. >> "The fear of the looord is the beginning of knowledge." When has fear ever been a good adivsor? >> In christ are hidden all the treasures of knowledge. If "christ" is supposed to mean the bible then look up "superstition", "human rights" or "homophobia" in the good book. >> that is evidential apologetics No, that's nothing more than an unfounded claim.
@3theghost
@3theghost 10 жыл бұрын
Otto Schütz Again, you're not refuting anything, all you're doing is *crying*. But please, continue proving my point.
@3theghost
@3theghost 10 жыл бұрын
***** Again... none of you atheists here are actually refuting his argument. All you're doing is crying. 
@3theghost
@3theghost 10 жыл бұрын
***** Sure buddy. Whatever you say:)
@sogannere3359
@sogannere3359 10 жыл бұрын
If one need receive knowledge from an omniscient being for that knowledge to be true, then how can one know that god is omniscient/exists at all? How can you know that what you're putting down to revelation is true? How can you as a fallible entity know that your reasoning and senses are accurate in concluding that the revelation from god is honest or even existent? And not simply a trick of your mind or faulty reasoning?
@ProofThatGodExists
@ProofThatGodExists 12 жыл бұрын
Problem is, the definition you provide is inadequate as in order to determine what is true, one has to know which is the "true" reality which something must be in accordance with.
@rungavagairun
@rungavagairun 10 жыл бұрын
18:50 There are apparently things Sye doesn't know. Couldn't the argument be made "if you don't know everything, you don't know anything." be made with the same credibility as his argument "if you don't know things with absolute certainty you have given up on knowledge"?
@ChessArmyCommander
@ChessArmyCommander 5 жыл бұрын
No because God reveals some things to us in such a way so that we can know them. For certain. And this is true for nonbelievers also, its just that they suppress this truth in unrighteousness. Its an epic failure to not give God glory and thanks for knowledge.
@mannguyen4797
@mannguyen4797 5 жыл бұрын
If you was a reporter and you was interviewing that last survivor that emerged out of the rumble of dirk you wouldn’t ask him “ sir! how did you survive this plane crash ?” And he reply’s saying “ if I didn’t survived I wouldn’t be here talking to you”
@FECtetra1918
@FECtetra1918 4 жыл бұрын
ChessArmyCommander How do you know that?
@Kofz89
@Kofz89 12 жыл бұрын
Sorry brother Sye it's London England lol! I saw you on transplant ministries video interview and then on the way of the master on the box they had a clip of you talking to a professor who didn't want to engage in any way. And now I'm subscribed to your page so going to watch more vids of yours!
@tattooed976
@tattooed976 6 жыл бұрын
I love his passion, he's on point with what he's talking about why would we make the unbeliever the judge and juror of Gods existence, we don't get to pick and choose what parts of scripture are true. God bless you Sye and thank you.
@swimmerfish34
@swimmerfish34 11 жыл бұрын
Good thing he's not trying to convince you, you know why? Because you already know and are without excuse for your rebellion.
@pontusvongeijer3585
@pontusvongeijer3585 10 жыл бұрын
Lol? Is this guy for real? Or is he an andercover atheist trolling christians?
@ImKingGinger
@ImKingGinger 12 жыл бұрын
I'm not whining. This is like Lex Luthor cloning Superman to try and defeat superman. He didn't really defeat superman, but conceded to the strength of Superman by imitating him. Now how about you stop trying to be Superman, and show us some atheistic kryptonite?
@charlieu9795
@charlieu9795 6 жыл бұрын
Nerd..
@jancerny8109
@jancerny8109 9 жыл бұрын
If everybody knows that God exists, why do so many missionaries for Him seem to be necessary?
@patrickdaniel9670
@patrickdaniel9670 9 жыл бұрын
Simply because Jesus commands us to tell others the Good News.
@piratekitty9481
@piratekitty9481 9 жыл бұрын
John Creasy How do missionaries get the Good News to people who lived before the New Testament was written? A time machine?
@frostbitemn7395
@frostbitemn7395 9 жыл бұрын
***** Because we deceive ourselves so we are trying to show them that they already know.
@jancerny8109
@jancerny8109 8 жыл бұрын
Olivia Saikaley Thanks for your reply, but I'm not sure it fundamentally answers the objection. Start from first principles and run things forward: You made everything. You have almost arbitrarily great power over everything. Among the organisms You made are some bipeds with which You wish to have a better relationship. You want them to know that You exist, and, further, that You picked a tribe on the eastern shore of the Mediterranean to be Your people. In fact, You incarnated Yourself as a member of this community and allowed Yourself to suffer a painful discorporation because this was, for some reason that escapes me, necessary for You to forgive everyone their trespasses. Now, how do you impart this information? You have some of the bipeds (whose brains and hands are error-prone) write it down in ambiguous language, using perishable media. You then have these vulnerable and slow-moving creatures undertake hazardous and lengthy journeys to repeat this knowledge to credulous (or skeptical) crowds in order to recruit more evangelists--all because some of the bipeds "suppress" their knowledge of You. However, didn't we agree that the second premise was that You had arbitrarily great power? Are You so weak that you cannot overcome psychological suppression mechanisms unless one of Your believers speaks for You? Is Your method of inspiration so unreliable that you cannot simply encode all the relevant doctrines of Your nature and soteriology in all human synaptic patterns with hundred percent fidelity? Or do You simply not care that the unbelieving will live and die before the ships carrying holy writ reach them? This is an overlong way of expressing a version of the Epicurean paradox: Is God able and willing to impart knowledge? Then why missionaries? If God is unable, why call him God? If God is unwilling, why venerate him--and, furthermore, in either of the latter cases, how do the missionaries know they have it right?
@jancerny8109
@jancerny8109 8 жыл бұрын
***** “If God appeared to you individually, you would have no choice but to accept him. This would be unloving…You need to have the option to reject him, he does not force worship or belief in him.” “There is sufficient evidence of his existence already…” That is the very point under dispute. To paraphrase Dawkins, mostly because I don’t feel like looking up the exact quote, the cosmos we behold is the cosmos we would expect to behold if the universe were caused by forces that are blindly indifferent. As to the matter of God’s “forcing” belief, I don’t see how making His existence more plainly clear is “forcing” my belief. Presenting evidence is not forcing the will of your audience; was the world’s free will abrogated on that day in World War I when astronomical observations proved relativity theory? I am glad to see that Presuppositionalism cuts no ice with you. “Biblically he appears to people who already believe in him…” Ummm, yes. Exactly. Thank you for making the point in my favor. “If he were to immediately reward the wicked and punish the righteous he would be purchasing worship and devotion.” The promise of answered prayer, in this life or the next, which churches often make and for which they can usually find prooftexts, is itself an act of salesmanship. As for paying people to be my friend, real friendships are based on a reciprocity of action and affection, if not currency. God does not seem to show affection. Using the Bible to sift through religious claims is to use an uncalibrated instrument. For whatever it’s worth, I want to be wrong-l would rejoice in a chance at heaven. But the universe doesn’t owe me consolation, and I have never heard any theologian even ask-let alone answer-the long series of questions that would need to be resolved to confirm the notion. Peace.
@marcusagrippa8078
@marcusagrippa8078 4 жыл бұрын
Apologetics 101: (1)come at them with crazy (2)double down on crazy (3)if they question your crazy tell them they’re crazy (4)go back to 1
@gilbertramirezpt
@gilbertramirezpt 11 жыл бұрын
It is wrong to not get the Sye experience. Sye has stimulated me unlike no one else to question my beliefs and my understanding of virtually every aspect of philosophy and science. Whatever you belief when you go up against Sye you find yourself at a loss for words. When you reach that place you have no choice but to think! When I first heard him my head wanted to explode. Since then I have been listening and reading, speaking and listening as never before.
@Lonewolf---
@Lonewolf--- Жыл бұрын
Logic and reason is easy--don't believe ANYTHING until you have a good reason to!
@patrickdaniel9670
@patrickdaniel9670 9 жыл бұрын
Outstanding sermon. I completely agree with him, I have no idea why Christians try to prove God's existence; every single person that walks this planet is aware of the general revelation of God's existence, that's not even debatable. Jesus told us to spread the Good News, not once in scripture does anybody try to prove God's existence, it's not necessary, it's already known even to those with "unbelief"(pretending like God doesn't exist out of offense of His moral standard/judgment)
@aristhocrat
@aristhocrat 9 жыл бұрын
Are you certain about that? Sye is an embarresment to the whole body of Christ. All he knows how to do is making people angry. In every debate I've seen him in he comes across as pompus, arrogant, selfrighteous and childish. His way of reasoning is on par with my five-yr-old, who are asking "why" into absurdity. Only Sye change it to "Do you know that for certain?" Or something to that affect. Repeating it 100 times does not make it more applicable or relevant. Far above being right in the christian faith is being humble and loving. Sye totally missed out on that. Peace!
@okfanriffic3632
@okfanriffic3632 9 жыл бұрын
John Creasy Everything sye says is exactly what a fallible human would say who just believed they had knowledge of a god (or goddess). How do i know christians are really relaying information from a god and not just making it up. The yorkshire ripper said the god jesus told him to kill prostitutes and i'm sure you don't believe him, so given that people do make up stories about gods giving them messages and even make up entire religions how would i know you or sye are genuine? The "innate knowledge of god" is evidence against sye;s argument because not only atheists but religious and non religious alike admit to having no knowledge of god. Rowan williams admits it and you can't say he is doing it just to sin.
@aristhocrat
@aristhocrat 9 жыл бұрын
*****. Ha ha you do know that Asia is fast becoming the epicenter of christianity?! The church is growing like crazy in China. Why? because the west sent missionaries. Now chineese missionaries continue the deed and go to muslim countries and the west. 
@aristhocrat
@aristhocrat 9 жыл бұрын
*****. Not sure what videos you see. But I have been out myself and many christians I know have been going on mission or are on missions across the globe so you clearly have no clue. Furthermore, the west that you speak of is largely secularized, atheism and sycretistic religion is the name of the game. So in that sense, staying at home is a sensible thing to do if you wanna share your faith. The growth of Islam is mainly due to imigration and childbirth not conversions. More importantly many of second/third generation imigrants becoms nominal muslims or leave the faith alltogether, so I am not super worried about the muslim influx. Peace!
@Auiuei
@Auiuei 9 жыл бұрын
John Creasy Hey brother! all I had to read was this -"Outstanding sermon. I completely agree with him, I have no idea why Christians try to prove God's existence; every single person that walks this planet is aware of the general revelation of God's existence, that's not even debatable." and I knew I agreed with you! praise the lord!! praise the Para Brahma! the one true god! it's true! every single person on earth already knows of the Para Brahma! they just deny it! good job brother!
@forhisglory700
@forhisglory700 11 жыл бұрын
Excellent presentation Sye. Your words are faithful and biblically accurate. GOD bless. For His Glory!!!
@parsivalshorse
@parsivalshorse 6 жыл бұрын
"How do you know that?" ......erm....same way you know stuff Sye. All of your criticisms of atheism apply equally to your own position - all you have is a childish word game.
@TNCelt1
@TNCelt1 4 жыл бұрын
His point is that you know there is God as well.
@FECtetra1918
@FECtetra1918 4 жыл бұрын
Ethan Rogers We know things because our brains allows us to do so. Imaginary beings have nothing to do with it.
@FECtetra1918
@FECtetra1918 4 жыл бұрын
@ZoneFighter1 Nice preaching.
@TimpBizkit
@TimpBizkit 6 жыл бұрын
His comments about Anthony Flue, it is Biblically incorrect to refer to someone as "in Hell" assuming he means a place of fiery punishment and not the common grave. Though it is correct to say that a lost sinner who is currently in the grave has blown their chances at having a relationship with Christ and living forever. Throughout the Bible, the place of punishment is always refers to a future date. Until that day the dead "know nothing" (Ecclesiastes 9:5) and their "thoughts perish" (Psalm 146:4) and they "sleep in the dust of the earth" (Daniel 12:2). Nor do those who taste the wrath of the lake of fire live forever in its flames, but suffer the "second death" Revelation 21:8 are reduced to "ashes under the soles of your feet" Malachi 4:3, just as Sodom and Gomorrah were "reduced to ashes as an example of what will happen to the ungodly" 2 Peter 2:6. Or Jesus who said that God could "destroy the body and soul in Hell" Matthew 10:28. Well some are described as suffering torment "forever and ever" e.g. the devil in Revelation 20:10, yet is described as being turned to ashes in Ezekiel 28:18-19. A phrase that in greek means "unto the ages of ages" which is like the English expression "I was stuck in this traffic jam for ages and ages". I believe the punishment fits the crime, so if the devil had enough sin that it took him weeks to be consumed by the fire, suffering and in pain the whole time, and the worst of humans maybe lasted a few days. If you want to argue from the Bible and that comes from an all knowing God I believe it is important to polish up on the finer details of scripture. The details of death, life, judgement, Heaven and Hell, when and where have been so glossed over yet what has been passed down has been assumed accurate yet surprisingly not so.
@fasillimerick7394
@fasillimerick7394 11 жыл бұрын
Why do pre-suppositionalists always use certain buzzwords like "account for"? Why is it assumed that if I cannot "account for" logic without their flavor of "God" then somehow they win? "I don't know therefore god". Is that not by its very definition an argument from ignorance?
@fasillimerick7394
@fasillimerick7394 11 жыл бұрын
***** I always get sucked into conversations with Pre-Suppositionalists because I actually care about raising Humanity's collective I.Q..But paying attention just encourages them to keep spouting their nonsense. Once I try to point out the flaw in their adorable attempt at reason it reinforces the persecution complexes they suffer from. I have a three-year-old child and convincing him to eat his vegetables and brush his teeth before bed is less frustrating and childish.
@BLarsenPhoto
@BLarsenPhoto 10 жыл бұрын
Fasil Limerick So you don't believe the Bible is true? What is truth according to your worldview?
@Z4RQUON
@Z4RQUON 11 жыл бұрын
//"...you have no choice but to conceive of God within the context of the logical absolutes."// ...and since God is necessarily downstream from the logical absolutes (...which point to the nature of reality but are merely conceptual), God must also be conceptual (or less)... and, yes, since we are discussing the abstract I can say that this is absolutely true without contradicting myself.
@jackburton7483
@jackburton7483 4 жыл бұрын
Sye does more for atheism than any atheist could.
@xJR0G15x
@xJR0G15x Жыл бұрын
God Bless you brother Sye for the amazing work you do on behalf on God. This really exposed me and my thinking from long ago and helped understand why I needed to repent of my thinking that I was judge while claiming I am Christian. Thank you so much brother! 🙏🏽
@fasillimerick7394
@fasillimerick7394 11 жыл бұрын
How can anyone accept the statement "The non-believer is a fool because scripture says they are a fool" as true without any further thought? Why should anyone unquestioningly accept the christian bible as "the word of god" just because someone-as in another fallible human being-says "believe or else"? I don't want to get involved in a foolhardy name-calling argument with a presuppositionalist but I do want to have a sincere discussion. But don't pull the line, "because my opponent showed up to this debate my opponent lost this debate". I want to find some truth not "win an argument". Lastly, I am 100% certain everything I know cannot be wrong. Ask me how.
@ChessArmyCommander
@ChessArmyCommander 5 жыл бұрын
Yeah and the fact that you know stuff is an indicator of the reality of God. Because knowledge is a God thing. How could you know anything apart from the God of knowledge?
@TomAnderson_81
@TomAnderson_81 5 жыл бұрын
ChessArmyCommander When you say god, I assume you mean Yahweh? How do you know if Yahweh is real and true and not that you are wrong and the idea of God is someone else?
@ChessArmyCommander
@ChessArmyCommander 5 жыл бұрын
@@TomAnderson_81 No I don't mean Yahweh. "and not that you are wrong and the idea of God is someone else?" I think that a lot of biblical theists are wrong about Yahweh being God. I think that the God of the bible is a great spirit. And that's according to the bible also. "God is spirit". No body. "never been seen" Yahweh has a body and was seen by Moses. He is a lessor god. Although still the God of the ancient Hebrews. They just didn't know that they were being dealt with by a lessor god.
@TomAnderson_81
@TomAnderson_81 5 жыл бұрын
ChessArmyCommander Interesting....are you saying that the Bible god is NOT god? What is god? Who is god? Can you support your claim in the first comment?
@ChessArmyCommander
@ChessArmyCommander 5 жыл бұрын
@@TomAnderson_81 I would say its not my claim. Its a correct understanding of what the bible says. "Interesting....are you saying that the Bible god is NOT god?" No. I'm saying that one of the bible gods is not God. "What is god? Who is god?" God is the "ground of all being" or ultimate authority over reality. I'm not claiming this, I start there due to divine revelation in nature, and that is knowable due to general divine revelation to people spiritually (or by God) . And due to special revelation. The bible. Also it may be awhile before I can respond. I'm having a discussion with others. So I have a full plate between that and working full time plus other interests.
@marcsoucie4010
@marcsoucie4010 10 жыл бұрын
There is knowledge that does not require reasoning: if I feel sadness, I KNOW the sensation of sadness by direct experience (actually you can even call that a direct revelation of truth...). If I drop a rock on my foot, I KNOW through direct experience the correlation between the falling rock and pain. Primitive knowing does not require reasoning. You don't need god to account for direct experience. Actually, the god hypothesis is a result of subsequent reasoning that may or may not be valid...
@DragonCharlz
@DragonCharlz 10 жыл бұрын
Enjoy all the videos of him being debunked and crushed on the right side of your screen.
@survivewithknife
@survivewithknife 11 жыл бұрын
You nailed it right on the head... they came "to know good and evil"...they did not become omnipresent, omnipotent, omniscient, infinite and eternal.
@controversialkid
@controversialkid 12 жыл бұрын
AMEN!!!
@SmartLX
@SmartLX 12 жыл бұрын
Wait, what am I saying? The Reason Rally was the next day, and many of the listeners were out proselytising based on Bruggencate's techniques. So forget the theorising, how'd they do? How many converts did Bruggencate himself get?
@Bohewulf
@Bohewulf 10 жыл бұрын
Sye is a comedian , isnt he? His satire is awesome.
@errolhenry9546
@errolhenry9546 6 жыл бұрын
Bohewulf Even if you were told How the universe begun you would never know. Because you need evidence to cancel all your logical doubts (even the illogical ones )so that you never require faith to believe God for anything, just evidence. Repent in Jesus name.
@Evaese
@Evaese 6 жыл бұрын
Stop being lazy, "we don't know so it must be god" lol just stop.
@errolhenry9546
@errolhenry9546 6 жыл бұрын
Evaese instead of Talking about God please get to know Him. That knowledge is able to erase your willing ignorance. You will know the truth and the truth will set you free.
@errolhenry9546
@errolhenry9546 6 жыл бұрын
Even when you create abstract doubt evidence will convince you otherwise. It boils down to your will friend. Will you recognize a will above your own?
@errolhenry9546
@errolhenry9546 6 жыл бұрын
Evaese mockery will not be able to validate intelligence You must acknowledge God then you will know that He does exist. God comes first not knowledge. The fear of of God is the beginning of knowledge. It's not a problem of knowledge it's a problem of your will. Will you recognize a will above your own?
@RazorAgent007
@RazorAgent007 11 жыл бұрын
There is also, in fact, evidence for transubstantiation. In the Gospels of Matthew (26:26), Mark (14:22), and Luke (22:19-20), the Septuagint (the original Greek text before it was translated - even before it was translated into Latin) states "Touto estin to soma mou." This phraseology means "This is actually..." or "This is really..." "...My Body and Blood."
@tigerlilly66
@tigerlilly66 9 жыл бұрын
I've been an evidential apologist my entire Christian life, and I have a pathetic harvest of souls to show for it. I have long been very bothered at this, but had heard that Sye is a nut-case. After seeing him dismantle Matt Dillahunty and leave him strewn about the ground in pieces and his 90% atheist followers left in stunned silence, I know otherwise. I may not have many opportunities left to me, but I'm going to apply an apologetic that WORKS and puts the onus where it needs to be - squarely on the unbeliever. Let God be God, and every man a liar - Romans 3:4
@vivahernando1
@vivahernando1 8 жыл бұрын
+tigerlilly66 lol Sye looked ridiculous in that "debate". Presupp is basically acknowledging that you can't stand on facts. Christianity is doomed.
@tigerlilly66
@tigerlilly66 8 жыл бұрын
+Brian Bivins = Hi Brian, glad you are a "former" atheist...welcome to the family! Did you notice the worn-out, pathetic mantra of Viva? "Christianity is doomed". I wonder if he knows that line of BS has been spouted for only about 2,000 years or so? If he does, he wouldn't care, as you pointed out quite correctly. For a rotting, dying "religion", Christianity is sure pretty spry these days! The anvil of the Bible stands undamaged while the broken hammers of atheism are strewn all over the place. Blessings!
@vivahernando1
@vivahernando1 8 жыл бұрын
***** lol you guys are funny. Sye just come off as a miserable person. Nothing but circle reasoning from him. If this is what you guys believe more power to you.
@tigerlilly66
@tigerlilly66 8 жыл бұрын
vivahernando1 Did you know you just cited the Bible in defense of OUR beliefs? Of course, you won't accept anything the Bible says, but you spoke truth nonetheless. For an atheist, that is as rare as hen's teeth: II Timothy 1:7 - For God has not given us the Spirit of fear, but of POWER, and of love, and of a sound mind. When you reject the starting point for POWER, you make silly statements about "circular reasoning". Again, you quote scripture to defeat your own position... Revelation 1:11 - I (Jesus) am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last. Reasoning, logic, and a rational mind START with God, just like Sye stated. You are proof positive that atheism is utterly bankrupt in theory and practice. Repent...there's still time !
@vivahernando1
@vivahernando1 8 жыл бұрын
tigerlilly66 are you trying to convince me or yourselves? I grew up Christian but I can't make myself belief that Bible is more than a book of ancient mythology at this point. If it makes you happy then it can't be that bad .... I guess?
@Druid75
@Druid75 Жыл бұрын
Honest question for the presup apologists If there are 2 people trying to resolve a moral question and they both come to an answer. They’re answers are polar opposite from each other but they both say they got to that answer with revelation from god, how do you determine who’s wrong?
@ajhieb
@ajhieb 11 ай бұрын
The same way anyone resolves _any_ moral problem... they rely on their moral intuition. They do this because they don't actually have any moral framework they can apply to any situation. Their "totally objective and absolute source of morality" (God) doesn't explicitly lay out any framework to use, rather he just lays out a bunch of arbitrary rules and says "good luck" with everything else. That's why is you ask any theist is morality is based on intent, actions, outcomes, or something else, they can't tell you, and if they try to pick one, you can always "trolley problem" them into changing their mind and picking a different option. It always cracks me up when presuppers bring up morality in the context of worldviews, because their own worldview manages to get it so obviously and catastrophically wrong.
@wesleywardlaw2725
@wesleywardlaw2725 7 ай бұрын
To say “how do you determine who is wrong?” Assumes that there is a right. Where do you get the right? From the Bible. That’s the revelation of God. If it doesn’t line up with the Bible, then it’s wrong.
@Druid75
@Druid75 7 ай бұрын
@@wesleywardlaw2725 how do you know you need to go the bible to get it right? How do you know thats the revelation from god? How did you determine that? Furthermore how do you know its wrong because it doesn’t line up with the bible?
@jesussaves8274
@jesussaves8274 10 жыл бұрын
Why does this video have so many dislikes?
@galaxy2699
@galaxy2699 8 жыл бұрын
Because atheists are crying for help.
@talanock
@talanock 5 жыл бұрын
because this man's argument are childish and complete bullshit. It comes down to I know I'm right, you know I'm right and I can't be wrong because the magic man in the sky said I can't be wrong. Also I don't have to prove any of that. Also I know what you know better than you. It's an arrogant, vapid argument that does nothing except make people who already believes more close-minded.
@talanock
@talanock 5 жыл бұрын
@@galaxy2699 Because christians don't have any good arguments so they have to just fall back on calling people liars and claiming they can't be wrong without demonstrating anything.
@Reachthelost12
@Reachthelost12 12 жыл бұрын
This is such clear instruction that even I could do this. Thanks Sye and to God be the glory.
@daSchoof
@daSchoof 11 жыл бұрын
I sometimes with I was this stupid, life seems so much easier...
@martygarcia2416
@martygarcia2416 6 жыл бұрын
I don't mean to sound rude, but by your sentence structure, you're pretty close.
@milanorichie
@milanorichie 6 жыл бұрын
Marty Garcia 😂
@yhwyorthehwy2476
@yhwyorthehwy2476 6 жыл бұрын
wish*
@masseur10
@masseur10 12 жыл бұрын
he says "We can define truth, Truth is whatever conforms to the mind of God", He has just created his own definition of Truth. The definition of Truth is "The quality of state of being True" and therefore you must know the definition of True, which is "In accordance with Fact or Reality, to bring into exact shape, to speak or act truly." To make up your own definition of a word to fit your argument, is the same reason people don't believe in the Bible, they feel it is made up to support an idea
@fasillimerick7394
@fasillimerick7394 10 жыл бұрын
At about 30:54 Sye says "We (Christians) have great evidence", but failed to share that evidence. It reminds me of something they used to do in movies where a man puts his hand into his coat pocket, makes a "finger gun", points it at someone and says "stick'em up! I have a gun but I can't show it to you". It just isn't convincing.
@fasillimerick7394
@fasillimerick7394 10 жыл бұрын
David Chu I'm truly moved by incredible number of baseless assumptions you just hurled at me. How do you know I'm an Atheist? Why do you think Atheists don't understand how to contextualize? Do facts change depending upon "worldview"? I am desperately seeking "truth" in any place I can find it, even if it means listening to Sye Ten Bruggancate pontificate on presupposing a particular version of the christian bible is the true "word of god". Why do you think I hate your god? Why does Sye ignore 1Peter3:15 when asked for "evidence"? The blind hubris of your statement "(e)vidence is for believers" is stultifying. Why did you bother talking to me when you clearly think you know exactly who and what I am? Did it occur to you to perhaps ask a question or two before launching into your self-righteous diatribe? How dare you try to lecture me on "context" when you clearly have no interest in what I have to say. The worst I can say to you is you are not very Christ-like at all in your haste to condemn me and other free-thinkers everywhere.
@fasillimerick7394
@fasillimerick7394 10 жыл бұрын
David Chu Oh, one more thing. Thank you for taking time to talk with me.
@fasillimerick7394
@fasillimerick7394 10 жыл бұрын
David Chu I'm sorry David, was that too much too soon? I really would like to discuss the issues you brought up. You happened to have caught me while I was in the middle of a heated discussion with someone else.
@fasillimerick7394
@fasillimerick7394 10 жыл бұрын
David Chu I really am saddened by your cowardly refusal to engage me any further in your complaint of my failing to quote the Sye "in context", followed by your casual blanket statement aimed at Atheists. What if I were to say, "All people from Taiwan are lazy, shiftless slopes"? Coward.
@fasillimerick7394
@fasillimerick7394 10 жыл бұрын
Hello David! I'm glad to hear from you! I, too, am a student and I can relate to time management pressures. I also apologize for my "meaner" comments I made, I was just trying to goad you into further discussion. All too often people will post a derogatory reply to something I say but refuse to engage in meaningful dialogue. I'll get back to our discussion later today when I have some time myself. What time zone are you in, using "GMT + or -"? When would be best for us to talk? -Fasil
@MartTLS
@MartTLS 6 жыл бұрын
Antony Flew was a deist he didn’t believe in Sye’s god. He did not believe in Jesus as the saviour and rejected the notion that there is any historical evidence for the resurrection.
@derezzed83
@derezzed83 10 жыл бұрын
As a Christian, I find this extremely embarrassing.
@thepropolys
@thepropolys 10 жыл бұрын
Why? As a Christian, I find it embarrassing that you think this is embarrassing.
@patrickdaniel9670
@patrickdaniel9670 9 жыл бұрын
Then you must be offended at the bible. Are you sure you're born again?
@amixofeverything
@amixofeverything 7 жыл бұрын
As a Christian...you should. It is this kind of thinking that is driving a great many born-Christians to non-belief. That and the character of the Biblical God. You know, with the killing of children and slavery bit.
@TheRealisticNihilist
@TheRealisticNihilist 6 жыл бұрын
DEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
@JustinVK
@JustinVK 6 жыл бұрын
This is consistent Christianity... If you claim Christ, then Christ is King over all...reason, logic, and truth...anything else is compromise...
@RodneyHD
@RodneyHD 11 жыл бұрын
For there is no other name giving under Heaven by which men must be saved.
@ZiplineShazam
@ZiplineShazam 8 жыл бұрын
What happens when Sye and another Christian disagree with each other ?? How do they then determine who it is that has the true "Revelation from god" or the true "Interpretation of the bible" ? What does Sye do then ? Does he ask that other Christian, "How do you know that?" Over and OVer and Over again??
@tigerlilly66
@tigerlilly66 8 жыл бұрын
teammates may not agree on everything in terms of how things are done or the best way to proceed, but what cannot be denied is the fact they are teammates and respect each other as such. They serve the same God in varying ways. Christians are not like Jehovah's Witnesses that have to follow a lockstep, check your brain at the door mentality. that I have to explain this rudimentary point to you indicates to me that you must be an Atheist Witness and are equally clueless about the great Creator God
@ZiplineShazam
@ZiplineShazam 8 жыл бұрын
tigerlilly66 So, which version of your god is the correct version ? (I mean we are dealing with the well-being of people's souls for all of eternity here, correct ?) So, it seems like that it should be very VERY important that Christians are 100% united on spiritual doctrine. I've had Christians of different faiths tell me how other Christians, not of their exact faith, are deceived and lost. So, who should the unbeliever listen to ? You would think that the "great creator god" would make his revelations exactly the same for ALL of his followers, so that there would be absolutely no room for mistakes.
@ZiplineShazam
@ZiplineShazam 8 жыл бұрын
***** Thank you for sharing your thoughts in a polite manner. Much appreciated. When you say, "Scripture, scripture dictates all, and that the bible is the absolute authority on all matters..." Well, I have heard Southern Baptists proclaim that same exact creed. These same Southern Baptists also made accusations that the Jehovah Witnesses were a cult and then proceeded to give me evidences of this. (Not that I believe it, that's just what they told me.) So, the Southern Baptists are making the same claim that you are and are also using scripture to back up those claims. This is where I get confused. I find that when I get into conversations with believers of different denominations or faiths, both sides claim that the Bible is the ultimate authority, but then both sides contradict each other when it comes to how that authority is translated.
@tigerlilly66
@tigerlilly66 8 жыл бұрын
+Antonio Valentini - I really did not suspect that you were a Russellite when we were talking, but lo and behold, you are! the name Jehovah's Witness is a very poor term to use to describe those who deny that Jesus is God in human flesh, Jehovah of the Old Testament revealed as prophesied hundreds of times. I've debated you & yours for 40 years. Jesus is NOT a created being as you allege, but the Creator clearly taught in Scripture. Try John 10:18 on for size...no created being could give up his life at will and take it up again at will. Colossians 1:16 is also another stake through the vampire's heart of the Watchtower.
@ZiplineShazam
@ZiplineShazam 8 жыл бұрын
tigerlilly66 Both of you are proving my point for me.
@Ankthiel
@Ankthiel 11 жыл бұрын
My biggest problem with presupp is its lack of ability to preform on serious debate forums. You always see them on the most amature places on obscure corners of the web. Scripture is ignored by atheists and philosophers because theirs nothing directly supporting its validity. Believers dont see it that way but thats not who your trying to reach. Dr. Craig's Tag argument may have its weaknesses but at least hes taken seriously by what is concidered serious debate formats. And he can win arguments
@SebiSthlm
@SebiSthlm 10 жыл бұрын
Yes, atheists have presuppositions, and no, we can't "account for" logic, reason or truth. The thing is that theists have the same presuppositions, and can't account for logic, reason and truth without using the same presuppositions. These are called proper basic beliefs. For some reason presup appologetics add the existence of god into the mix, which is completely unnecessary and doesn't explain anything. The belief is therefore an improper basic belief and should be discarded as a presupposition. There, the matter is settled, and you presup appologetics can stop making fools out of yourselves.
@wilthomas
@wilthomas 10 жыл бұрын
It's not supposed to explain anything. It's only supposed to confuse and frustrate someone who has never heard of it, and thus "win" the argument.
@BLarsenPhoto
@BLarsenPhoto 10 жыл бұрын
tommylehman How do you know that?
@BLarsenPhoto
@BLarsenPhoto 10 жыл бұрын
***** Is it true that through God we can't explain anything? How do you know that?
@SebiSthlm
@SebiSthlm 10 жыл бұрын
Surfer Brendan Oh look. A troll.
@BLarsenPhoto
@BLarsenPhoto 10 жыл бұрын
***** Oh look, an atheist that can't answer questions because his worldview makes no sense so he has to cry 'troll'.
@tdaugh8606
@tdaugh8606 11 жыл бұрын
Sye, do you think you could contact Bobby Conway from oneminuteapologist? They have a lot of subscribers ignorant of presupp apologetics... They keep having evidential apologists like William Lane Craig, and who insist on the disuse of scripture...
@ExtantFrodo2
@ExtantFrodo2 10 жыл бұрын
He lost me in the first sentence. "invisible" is anything but "plainly seen". This is nothing but obfustionist BS.
@3theghost
@3theghost 10 жыл бұрын
Gravity is invisible, yet we see things fall down all the time. So according to your logic, gravity is "BS".
@ExtantFrodo2
@ExtantFrodo2 10 жыл бұрын
3theghost Gravity is detectable and measurable with very specific effects. In other words, nothing at all like your god.
@3theghost
@3theghost 10 жыл бұрын
ExtantFrodo2 God is detectable, you're just in denial. In fact, you can't even make sense of gravity without God.
@ExtantFrodo2
@ExtantFrodo2 10 жыл бұрын
3theghost Sure I can. The earth sucks, shit goes down.
@3theghost
@3theghost 10 жыл бұрын
ExtantFrodo2 How do you know that?
@CrabtreeBob
@CrabtreeBob 6 жыл бұрын
When I read the bible I have more questions than it answers.
@xenoview13
@xenoview13 10 жыл бұрын
Sye is the expert on Apologetics and the bible? Wonder how much money Sye makes for this speech? Sye makes claims based on a bible written by humans. Sye has no evidence, only circular argument.
@BLarsenPhoto
@BLarsenPhoto 10 жыл бұрын
How do you know the Bible isn't true? What is truth according to your worldview?
@xenoview13
@xenoview13 10 жыл бұрын
Surfer Brendan First humans created religion and the gods. Humans have used religion to control others and attack those that don't believe as they do. Have you really read the bible, I did just that and found it to be full of immoral and evil acts and a god commanding it. Also discovered the contradictions in the bible. If this was the word of an all knowing god, why would it let that happen?
@rudolphbondefangerer5513
@rudolphbondefangerer5513 10 жыл бұрын
Surfer Brendan A can not be not A, in other words: The Bible is not true.
@hikari2827
@hikari2827 8 жыл бұрын
+Rudolph Bondefängerer A can not be A, that makes no sense.
@rudolphbondefangerer5513
@rudolphbondefangerer5513 8 жыл бұрын
Yeshua's מְשָׁרֵת Never said that A can not be A. I said, A can not be not A. But A can be B, if A = B. In that case, B will also be A. Therefore there is no reason to believe that the Bible is correct.
@DarkMatter2525
@DarkMatter2525 12 жыл бұрын
You gotta love the irony of a man calling other people fools and then declaring that he is absolutely CERTAIN about something.
@angeljasa3834
@angeljasa3834 4 жыл бұрын
Hey moron. Why are you here?
@jayz12366
@jayz12366 10 жыл бұрын
Omg how the hell does video get a 6:4 like to dislike ratio this is such nonsense.
@WhysoSeriousSamual
@WhysoSeriousSamual 10 жыл бұрын
Christian army clinging on to the last refuse of the septic tank of faith?
@jayz12366
@jayz12366 10 жыл бұрын
Billy Skidmore If only it was the last part of it unfortunately we'll have this bullshit for sometime to come.
@errolhenry9546
@errolhenry9546 6 жыл бұрын
Even if you were told How the universe begun you would never know. Because you need evidence to cancel all your logical doubts (even the illogical ones )so that you never require faith to believe God for anything, just evidence. Repent in Jesus name.
@charlieu9795
@charlieu9795 6 жыл бұрын
Do you know that?
@ianworcester4640
@ianworcester4640 6 жыл бұрын
@@chrisbrooks4032 Chris wake up. your in a piss ant little minority of dumb athiests who havent been enlightened . and good ol Uncle Sam is enlisting mostly Christians into the military so we dont get a repeat of Hitlers WW2 athiest nazi take down of jews and Christians. Suck it up Chris.... the end times fulfillment will make Christianity grow bigger yet. Athiesm will fall over completely in the next 50 years ....it just doesnt have to courtesy to lie down.
@RazorAgent007
@RazorAgent007 11 жыл бұрын
"Wherever the bishop shall appear, there let the multitude [of the people] also be; even as, wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church." -St. Ignatius of Antioch
@Koensdus
@Koensdus 11 жыл бұрын
The question is not whether the reasoning is circular (because ultimately all reasoning is circular : you come to make truth-claims by using your senses, you test the reliability of your senses by using ....your senses...capisce?) but whether the reasoning is VICIOUSLY circular. The honest naturalist will have to admit that this is his position: there's infinite regress in his reasoning which means his reasoning is VICIOUSLY circular...
@theorderinchaos
@theorderinchaos 12 жыл бұрын
Because I read it in a secret book that says so and I have 100% faith in that book.
@lightbeforethetunnel
@lightbeforethetunnel 2 жыл бұрын
The Bible isn't secret.
@alwaysbecool8702
@alwaysbecool8702 3 жыл бұрын
Permission to download this sir
@dutchchatham1
@dutchchatham1 6 күн бұрын
How do you avoid using your fallible human senses in asserting divine revelation?
@OKandNOWwhat
@OKandNOWwhat 11 жыл бұрын
My use of "eavesdropping" was rhetorical. Agnostics/atheists aren't being debated HERE. He's talking to believers. Here's how he gets that everyone knows God: "For the invisible things of God from the creation of the world are clearly seen, BEING UNDERSTOOD BY THE THINGS THAT ARE MADE, even His eternal power & Godhead; so that THEY ARE W/O EXCUSE: Because, when THEY KNEW GOD, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became VAIN IN THEIR IMAGINATIONS." Romans 1:20-21 Bless U
@controversialkid
@controversialkid 12 жыл бұрын
this is the best I have heard presupposional apologetics explained
@dianasaur2131
@dianasaur2131 6 жыл бұрын
Any links to Dustin? I don't know his surname
@ProofThatGodExists
@ProofThatGodExists 6 жыл бұрын
He does not have a KZbin channel, but if you google Dustin Segers you can find lots of stuff with him.
@BrianTylerComposer
@BrianTylerComposer 11 жыл бұрын
Oh my gosh haha. You claimed logic was not accountable outside of the Christian worldview. So I pointed out that the formal study of logic predates Christianity in ancient Greece, China, and India. It is accounted for by using our brains - the only tool we have to determine ANYTHING. The fact that formal logic developed PRIOR to Christianity includes the ability to account for it. You might as well say math is only accountable if you believe in Spiderman. It is philosophically meaningless.
@tex959
@tex959 12 жыл бұрын
Sye, or any other Christian, I'd like to know how it was revealed to you that the Bible is the true word of God.
@mattfivesix
@mattfivesix 12 жыл бұрын
"This argument works interchangeably with any deity..." No it doesn't! There are no other deities. And, none of the other man made "deities" possess the ontic structure to account for immaterial, invariant universals such as laws of logic.
@JMUDoc
@JMUDoc 3 жыл бұрын
""This argument works interchangeably with any deity..." No it doesn't! There are no other deities. And, none of the other man made "deities" possess the ontic structure to account for immaterial, invariant universals such as laws of logic." A believer in a different deity could say exactly the same - that only _their_ deity exists, and _yours_ doesn't.
@controversialkid
@controversialkid 12 жыл бұрын
I mean for certain..beyond the shadow of a doubt
@spiritualbully
@spiritualbully 12 жыл бұрын
everything I know and believe is without presupposing God.
@justjames7663
@justjames7663 7 жыл бұрын
Still a little new to presuppositional apologetics thank you for your resources.
@BikiniDeathSquad
@BikiniDeathSquad 8 жыл бұрын
each human dies at some point, and if there's a god, each human will find that out
@tigerlilly66
@tigerlilly66 8 жыл бұрын
Kinda like closing the barn door after the horse is long gone. You must be a professional gambler to make a statement like this. Will YOU be okay with that explanation when it's YOUR eternity on the line? Oh, there IS God. Not "a" god among others because there are no others. You have one shot to get it right...better be real sure about what you so flippantly toss out now.
@OKandNOWwhat
@OKandNOWwhat 11 жыл бұрын
Momo, I'm enjoined from arguing w/ fools, so I'll have to keep this short: I didn't claim "atheistS believed they are 'their own gods'." I told a PARTICULAR atheist that he was his own de facto god because he believed he could actually stand on his own (when in reality it is God Who gives him breath to stand in a body He also gave him) & that this atheist was the final word in all his affairs, just like a god, Momo.
@two-toneblue7455
@two-toneblue7455 6 жыл бұрын
Ever notice how few 'christian channels' have comments enabled? Got to give them credit for that much, I guess.
@two-toneblue7455
@two-toneblue7455 6 жыл бұрын
Timothy... Yeah, that's pretty much my impression.
@paulusjoshua7297
@paulusjoshua7297 11 жыл бұрын
Reality by definition is what is absolutely and actually true despite and regardless of subjective perception of such. So your question is premised on a fallacious assumption that you can definitively determine reality by your own subjectivity.
@anitahyche1
@anitahyche1 5 жыл бұрын
Sye, you're sending people to hell with your attitude and the hate that comes out in your actions and words on our videos.. Your lack of theology is evident. I hope you find peace and that your kids and wife aren't abused. You are making athiests. New ones, you're making new athiests.
@ironmantis3
@ironmantis3 11 жыл бұрын
How do you know that your perceptions are correct that god must exist?
@vladtepes9614
@vladtepes9614 11 жыл бұрын
You could use ANY unprovable concept in this line of argumentation and get the same thing. Pre-suppositional arguments only work if everyone agrees on the pre-supposition. "How can you claim to know anything for certain without the leprechaun?" "Oh, you disagree about the leprechaun being real? Could you be wrong about that?" "You admitted you could be wrong, and I'm saying you can't know anything without the leprechaun." It's an idiotic line of reasoning (well, assertive NON-reason)
@survivewithknife
@survivewithknife 12 жыл бұрын
Give me a "bad" verse I won't read? thanks
@quasar99999
@quasar99999 2 жыл бұрын
"ministry of Sye Ten Bruggencate" does make sense
@ProofThatGodExists
@ProofThatGodExists 12 жыл бұрын
Are you certain of that Paul, if so, how are you certain of it? (Thanks for comin' out!) :-)
@NotOfThisWorld567
@NotOfThisWorld567 11 жыл бұрын
I think you are confusing my abbreviation presupp, which I used to refer to presuppositional appologetics, with the word presupposition. As far as reality is concerned what is your definition of reality? If reality consists of everything material, then God who is immaterial would not be a part of it. If reality is everything that is true, then God is part of it. But you, a non believer, can't verify what is true about God because you reject Him and His Word, which is and teaches us truth.
@osmosis321
@osmosis321 11 жыл бұрын
Sye! I've seen the light and I owe it all to you.
@RazorAgent007
@RazorAgent007 11 жыл бұрын
You're right that God is has Supreme Authority, but what I meant to say was that God gave His Church, the Roman Catholic Church, the authority to preach the Gospel, send missionaries, separate the truth from heresies, perform the Sacrament that Christ established on earth, and aid in the salvation of man's soul.
@ProofThatGodExists
@ProofThatGodExists 12 жыл бұрын
//"Won't that be fun ?"// It's been fun so far Paul. Go for it. The more places your folly is exposed, the better!
@Eterna1snow
@Eterna1snow 11 жыл бұрын
How do you know your eyesight is valid and telling you what the bible really says correctly?
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