SYND 24 11 77 VORSTER SPEAKING AT NATIONAL PARTY RALLY AT PIETERMARITZBURG

(24 Nov 1977) South African Prime Minister John Vorster speaking at a National Party rally in Pietermaritzburg, saying that South African Afrikaans and English speaking people will fight to the last man to defend their country and Christianity".
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[@thesmithersy]

Yet they do forget how easily they threw Rhodesia under the bus to protect themselves.

[@spets4265]

Imagine this as an analogy: You and a mate are stranded in the middle of the desert and you know it is a three day trek when you are healthy. However your mate has a broken leg and is already dehydrated. What do you do? Try and help him and guarantee both of your fates to doom or do you push on alone so at least one of your families won't be heartbroken? That is the choice South Africa faced on a geopolitical scale. They did what they could for Rhodesia when and how they could.

[@user-oo7uk2tu2d]

@@spets4265 dude do you know an edited vid of this speech combined with some soldier talking about exercise. It was some sort of motivational video with SADF videos as background. I cant find it anywhere

[@spets4265]

@@user-oo7uk2tu2d Search "Border War Boomer"' my friend.

[@cm2973]

@@spets4265 I don't buy it. The economic situation in Rhodesia was completely dependent on SA, but SA had a monopoly on several alloys which prevented anything other than sanctions from being enacted. I've spoken with many Rhodesians and South Africans that agreed, the Nationalist Party stabbed Rhodesia in the back.

[@carolinus7566]

No Spets. Vorster refused aide and trade w Rhodesia if they A. Went into Portuguese East Africa(Mocambique) to aide the Portuguese citizens betrayed by NATO backed coup d'etat in April 74. Then Kissinger & British agents were sent to SAF selling Vorster pipe dreams of Blk Africa being cool w SAF if only Rhodesia wasn't standing in the way everything would be ok'. This was patent divide & conquer and Vorster played along with it thus isolating SAF for the post-1979 period. The US also promised naval & land aide vs Cuba/USSR/DDR in Angola which SAF launched major ops in 75 based upon and they had none of the aide and wound up withdrawing - due not to military necessity but due to fears of how it would look diplomatically. His leadership may have been OK domestically but SAF's isolation was done under his leadership or lack thereof. Botha was in a near impossible situation by the time he assumed leadership in late 78 thanks to Vorster.

[@ProudRegressive]

Note on his point on 2/3 of Europe's oil passing by South Africa. The reason why so much cargo came around Africa as opposed to the more convenient Suez Canal was that until the demilitarization of the Sinai following the 1978 accords, the Suez Canal was the border between cozy neighbours Israel and Egypt. Before this speech, a few ships were stranded in the canal for years.

[@kpl455]

Thanks for clearing that up. I was immediately asking myself when he told that.

[@centredoorplugsthornton4112]

Also many oil tankers even then were too big for the Suez canal.

[@hf6568]

Kaaplander brought me here

[@carolinus7566]

"Yes folks I'm gonna secure you. Kissinger came to me and promised help from US military in Angola. Ok they didn't show up and left us in a lurch. And he promised help with a detente with blk Africa if only we don't intervene in Mozambique and if we threaten to cut Rhodesia off to force them to surrender to "transitional govt". By now this has been done. Surely it's not to divide Southern Africa and isolate South Africa. No no no it's all gonna be OK." - John Vorsters policies summarized. Bravo sir what leadership! You weren't hoodwinked or a betrayer at all. Great job!

[@caseclosed9342]

If only they could have kept that style of government with a multiracial system

[@MrMalimaali]

It is the black majority they feared whitch was their downfall.

[@laidtorest1617]

@@MrMalimaali 🤣😂

[@slickrick765]

And yet they are all starving, living in piss and squalor, and will for ever.

[@salzwell25]

​@MrMalimaali the majority are too lawless.

[@luker5400]

I think De Klerk would of been better to remain running this country. He was more moderate and pragamatic. I would of dismatled apatheid, but ensured only the de klerk govt can run the country.

[@mrchickenfeathers9184]

How right he was.

[@tomonaut]

Border War Boomer

[@Someone.southafrica]

Wut? Vorster was a smart man

[@georgev9170]

John Vorster was a fiercely intelligent man, unlike his successors. If only he could have remained in power for another decade.

[@samuelluispiresoliveira4770]

But and the Marais Viljoen?

[@samuelluispiresoliveira4770]

P. W. Botha? De klerk? Nelson Mandela?

[@a.b3203]

Verwoerd?

[@andysimpson6643]

Beam me up scotty..ffs

[@albertseabra9226]

@@andrewdutoit9571 Sorry, lacking relevant information I don't follow you. What are you truly implying? Warm Regards from Portugal

[@alanvorster236]

He is actually my THIRD COUSIN

[@DragonsAndDragons777]

THAT'S EPIC!

[@cordellvandermerwe536]

Genius

[@ahmedhassenjogee3575]

Vorster was a puss like you

[@wolf3dv]

He ended up sacrificing Rhodesia to appease black leaders. That's the thing I can't comprehend

[@OkimeOlvx]

Rhodies are everywhere...

[@danm8akadaneil97]

@@OkimeOlvx Hopefully some day back home

[@timtranslates]

Nah. A dirty, racist scumbag.

[@abdulkkhan5095]

A very intelligent man. A good leader.

[@bosnianaviation5531]

I agree

[@lugwetunje3896]

What do you mean he was a butcher let him rot in hell

[@bosnianaviation5531]

@@lugwetunje3896 Butcher?

[@muhammedk470]

Let alone let alone the Angola war, detention laws, censorship and police brutality, he was humiliated in the Muldergate scandal, and resigned from the state presidency in disgrace.

[@luker5400]

I think guy was hardcore racist. He hated anyone who was not an Afrikanner.

[@cm2973]

These comments illustrate exactly what the South Africans and Rhodesian fought against... Every single thing they did was justified.

[@ayodejiolowokere1076]

Including expelling natives from lands they had occupied for centuries to open up space for European settlement? Including barring blacks from government? Including segregation laws? Seems Mugabe had a point.

[@cm2973]

@@ayodejiolowokere1076 we see how Mugabe's points played out. He ruined the bread basket of Africa and a land of opportunity for Africans, black and white, to succeed. What you don't seem to understand is that Africans have not once built a stable successful society without European influence. That's why you were conquered as a side quest.

[@ayodejiolowokere1076]

@@cm2973 if you feel that, why not leave us alone?

[@slickrick765]

It's simple, FIFO.

[@marozela]

@@cm2973 🤣lmao read a book once in your life buddy...you can be pro Europe all you and but you can't lie and say Africans have never developed a stable and successful society when Mali, Kemit and Great Zimbabwe exist...Richest Leader was Mansa Musa,First recognised international library was in Timbuktu...the first castle's were built by Africans...hell,the first Roman emperor was black so you don't even have probably the most quintessential part of European history without some African dude... seriously man,read a book

[@georgesoros4232]

Based

[@abelgovender4115]

judgment day is near George!

[@benjamincoetzer7611]

En vandag is ons in ons moer in.

[@veronicalake4140]

Well said

[@jayvosloo6382]

A genius why did the world not listen

[@slickrick765]

You obviously talking about our current times?

[@joshseguin2043]

Because wether you believe it or not socialists wether national socialists or communist socialists have been in positions of power in the west since at least the mid to late sixties

[@RAHULSEN-og6mc]

Thank God for rhat 😂😂

[@passportsandelections3963]

He's right you know..

[@ovs8691]

Love you Kaaplander

[@addykochain2362]

Well I’m sure Zimbabwe will be better off then it was as Rhodesia...Oh shit wait...

[@Mo-yd8xc]

You mean for white people? Oh shit, wait.

[@MrMalimaali]

The common misconception is that Zimbabwe is a failed state becouse its cant do anything whitch is a lie. The sanctions distroyed Zimbabwe the divaluation of their currency by the Bank of England is the couse of its collapse

[@Mo-yd8xc]

@@MrMalimaali damn bro, it's spelled DESTROYED & CAUSED.

[@MrMalimaali]

@@Mo-yd8xc So you you did not understand what i was trying to say??🙄🙄🙄...or you just didn't have any intellectual depth to engage the topic, instead you choose to be a spelling corrector!!..well!! Noted!!..i am not into mastering the queens language if it was my mothers tongue then i would be bothered..fell free to punctuate,edit, correct whatever it is that makes you feel relavant.😎😎

[@thesmithersy]

@@MrMalimaali The reason why it failed was the racist policies of Mugabe and the theft of white land which drove away the wealth creators in the country. There would have been no sanctions if only he had listened to Smith and not got involved in petty tribal squabbles with the Matabele.

[@Jill.Hellary]

Fun Fact, He was Arnold Vosloo's Great Uncle.🤩

[@johnm84]

He was a good man and he was a good leader.

[@patagonia8084]

I lived in white south africa am living in black south africa. Its like 2 different worlds . U all kniw what i mean

[@muhammedmangera2877]

Die beste

[@Someone.southafrica]

For the years appartheid South Africa lasted, it was incredibly hated but still stood for those it hated

[@chrisizimmer8140]

you forgot the jerusalem boys in diaspora was actually behind all this ...

[@pietvast4283]

he speaks about communists

[@TheLocomotionFan]

The Jerusalem boys gavebsouth Africa nuclear weapons

[@abigailnomsamndebele6351]

You mean those fake Jews practicing to be jews, wow 😂😂🤣🤣, you pinkies never cease to amaze me.

[@johannbadenhorst4920]

01:30

[@ellismaytham456]

What does Christianity think about apartheid

[@carolinus7566]

1-world-xtianity in the WCC hated them.

[@SymphonyBrahms]

Jesus wouldn't like it.

[@DaveyJonesLockerwithJazzy]

This is not about apartheid, it's about protecting the free world from communism.. that in itself was a farce, none the less poignant concern of all western states back in the day..

[@perryvandyk8083]

God let the walls of Jerico fall didnt he

[@bendewet1057]

It was Far, Far better than this All ecompassing and race based, extended Apartheid we have now.

[@centredoorplugsthornton4112]

And where did apartheid South Africa get its oil? Heard tell Iran up until the U.S. backed Shah quit and ran.

[@MarioStahl1983]

up to 40% from coal liquification (SASOL) and the rest mainly from Iran, later Kuwait.

[@carolinus7566]

Shah was backed by US in 53. He wasn't backed in 1976 he was hated bc he spoke openly (too much) Abt the tribe. Iran revolution was backed initially by c1@. The whole hostage crisis was stage managed so upon Reagan's election the hostages were freed. It wasnt bc Iran was afraid but bc they were working with the Safari Club post 'church hearings' defunding the c1@.

[@lugwetunje3896]

He was dreaming that ephathied will never go

[@RAHULSEN-og6mc]

Thank God he went before 😂😂😂

[@MattSuguisAsFondAsEverrr]

yooo what is this blud yappin about🗣🗣🗣🗣🗣🗣🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@crispinswainstonharrison9042]

He sure got that one wrong.

[@michaelhardman7022]

Its about to happen.....BRICS

[@JohnSmith-ii9ci]

Legend. Afrikaaners, the people of the Lord.

[@rockybilboa6136]

God wasn't white dimwit

[@SymphonyBrahms]

That applies all people in the world.

[@DaveyJonesLockerwithJazzy]

This is why you don't elect LAWYERS to run your country.. they're too intelligent and therefore too rigid. I've never met a human lawyer. Once they're passed the bar they're forced to lose humanity. As a leader, you require humanity hat to lead a country, one of many hats you must wear in leadership.

[@SinakoMxabo]

Izinja, we will defend their s country until the last man, as if they were majority

[@viceroy___]

How are you liking your free trial of communism so far? Have fun with your cANCer.

[@SinakoMxabo]

@@viceroy___ Unfortunately PAC not cANCer. I dont believe in all your stupid policies. Both your white Apartheid policies and current so called rainbow nation.

[@zipline5442]

Satan loves you

[@lovenevergivesup3145]

@@SinakoMxabo what do you believe in?

[@carolinus7566]

Well Sir they weren't drafting Bantu tribesmen to defend S Africa. The Bantu nation's were of course allowed as volunteers but it was White British Afrikaans Boers Germans - other white migrants also drafted to fight for S Africa. It's a consistent policy. Transkei(Xhosa) & Kwa-Zulu weren't expected to fight & die for a govt which didn't give them full rights domestically.

[@louisconradie3235]

Lol that accent 😂😂😂

[@breeser1861]

Ok?

[@feanor7080]

Pragtig, nê.

[@RAHULSEN-og6mc]

Sounds like a KGB

[@ntatemohlomi2884]

The Kool aid BJ and his broeders were drinking, and the ever rolling excuses.

[@ntatemohlomi2884]

@christo bosman Jammer if my comment came to you as offensive, no such intentions. I wish you well, and our country well. The conflicts of the past are just that, I hope we together evet strive for something better.

[@jimmymshali6661]

Satan after people

[@siphokandebele]

The man who ordered the killing of school children in Soweto. Each man will stand before God and account for his life.

[@0825411237]

Low I.Q strikes again

[@zipline5442]

Sipho may satan possess your soul

[@siphokandebele]

@@zipline5442 whatever your real name is, your wish will never happen. No weapon fashioned against me shall prosper, I am a child of God fully covered by Christ Jesus😊😌. May you encounter the saving grace and love of God ❤️❤️

[@jabubrian1824]

He was a horrible human being. It's even hard calling that thing a human

[@timtranslates]

@@siphokandebele It's interesting how most of the Apartheid apologists hide behind a pseudonym.

[@effortmakesprogress]

extinct

[@BobCrane787]

Soon, African nationalism will be extinct and you will have a broken country like the rest of Africa. Bravo! We will recolonize you when every trace of your government vanishes.

[@rockybilboa6136]

@@BobCrane787 in your wildest wet dreams

[@user-ez05ob0WqQ]

@@rockybilboa6136 Wild East dream actually, remember China?

[@rockybilboa6136]

@@user-ez05ob0WqQ you're late

[@rohp1283]

In one interview he said black nations were given their original settled lands and no homeland policy was created. He conveniently left out the Indian and Coloured community, incorporating them would expose his argument. Here he says English and Afrikaans speakers alike, not the Bantu language speakers. Effectively Whites -RACIST

[@caseclosed9342]

East Asians and Middle Eastern people were considered white, too.

[@rohp1283]

@@caseclosed9342 No mate, Indians were considered non whites, so were the Coloureds. Remember the 4 race group policy.

[@caseclosed9342]

@@rohp1283 that’s true but Taiwanese, Korean, Japanese, Hong Kongers and eventually mainland Chinese people were given “honorary white” status so they could benefit from apartheid as well. It’s more complicated than just white supremacy

[@rohp1283]

@@caseclosed9342 Yes true, which was baffling because Indians from SA were not. Not that Indians would have just accepted it, they opposed the Tri cam system ,save for a minority sellouts, on grounds that it excluded Blacks.

[@equestanton1017]

Yes, yes he absolutely was a racist.

[@timtranslates]

The guy who cancelled a cricket tour just because the England team included a player who wasn't white. Pathetic. It's so sad that so many people in the comments below want to defend the indefensible.

[@timtranslates]

@morton christie Read about the D'Oliveira affair. It's well documented. If you can't see that Vorster and his regime was racist, then nothing I say will convince you otherwise. If you ever get chance to visit the Apartheid museum in Johannesburg, listen to what the Apartheid leaders were saying at the time.

[@timtranslates]

The Prohibition of Mixed Marriages Act, 1949 is enough proof on its own that the regime was racist.

[@timtranslates]

@morton christie Of course. Are you saying the Mixed Marriages Act wasn't racist?

[@timtranslates]

@morton christie Petty? Hardly. That racist law governed who could form a family with whom. Isn't that a basic civil right? Any regime that says I can't marry whom I chose because of their race is grotesquely racist. Thankfully I live in a democracy that allowed me to marry whomever I wanted. The D'Oliveira affair is well documented. If you can't be bothered to do research, I won't do it for you.

[@timtranslates]

Were those "Whites only" signs that we see real? If so, is that another petty detail? The fact is, SA had first class and second class citizens, and that was determined by race alone. Ergo, it was a racist regime. There really is no debate.

[@zevlove612]

The face of evil

[@RAHULSEN-og6mc]

😂RACIST PIG

[@fahloledibakass2450]

SATAN

[@crunchkarma4907]

Native

[@zipline5442]

What's wrong with satan?

[@fahloledibakass2450]

he is European

[@lovenevergivesup3145]

@@fahloledibakass2450 you think a white an is Satan ? You obviously don't know much about Satan it's better to not get the two confused .

[@fahloledibakass2450]

his or her deeds sir