L116544

(14 Nov 1985) LN116544 S.AFRICA: Pres.P.W.Botha gives parlimentary speach
20.11.85 that could include new reforms for black S Africans.
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S AFRICA SHOWS: ls arrival Botha and wife; INT ms Botha speech;
Cape Town 'his proposed reforms that blacks have to be involved;
that the Govt is committed to united S Africa; joint
citizanship and franchise for all and run by S Africans;
restructuring of the Presidents Council; concern at those
putting spoke in wheel of reform'. Comments on the develop
ment of the Mussel Bay gas fields for synthetic fuels which
is to recieve govt backing. Date Shot:14.11.85
KCS 625(English) WTN(Mathews) 10.00mins
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[@siphomthiyane7126]

After listening to this speach I feel like we were not told everything about the old regime.

[@buyiselwaxozumthi3908]

Sipho Mthiyane the old regime was beyond evil. If you didn't see or witness inough like me. WATCH...( TRC ) And thats not even the beginning of it. My grandfather experianced it , because it was the end of Hitler's regime, and reborn in South Africa, In 1960's was my FATHER'S turn to taste it. At the and 0f 70's it was our turn . In 1993 before and after Chris Hani's death it was unbearable. The regime turned ( SOUTH AFRICANS ) against each other. Helling them to kill each other in the townships, just to prevent them to share what they forcefully took. I think you are the same age as my daughter and bit older than my grand kid. I have scars emotionally and physically from it. This speech you saw is BS.

[@faresrizk7725]

1/3: Post-Mandela elites stirred up indignation at past injustice to distract from present corruption, leading nowhere but to a typical African basketcase.

[@faresrizk7725]

2/3: Now, more than ever, we must reject 1. those who try to stir up feelings using the past in order to gain power AS WELL AS: 2. those who use scare tactics to convince us their corrupt hell is the lesser hell.

[@faresrizk7725]

3/3: No ANC, No EFF, many problems but we have overcome worse. ALL the people of South Africa, wothout distinction ALL united will NEVER de defeated.

[@MbuleloDyakop-ik7zx]

Bruno Mtolo

[@247cscont_nt]

After this speech the exchange rate to USD was R0 to a dollar. Let that sink. Let that fucking sink! I'm black and disappointed.

[@victordladla5637]

dude I get it for real 💔💔 the parliament looks organised, no one screaming tsotsi, these people are evil but they know how to run a country...our black nation truly and deeply disappoint us

[@jackmacfakie1387]

It was 9.55 ten years ago this very day. Now? 19.

[@DP-ho9if]

@@victordladla5637 Not evil, but very intelligent, if you think deeply about what they were trying to accomplish. Edit: I blame the so called "urban blacks"

[@DP-ho9if]

@@jackmacfakie1387 Bro, I remember the price of bread used to be R4.99. Today, it's essentially R30.00 😭

[@Arnz01]

@@DP-ho9if Hence, why I left South Africrap. I was born there, but I will never suffer there any more.

[@johanvermark9933]

And now the ANC is Fucking Up Everything.

[@247cscont_nt]

Trust, I'm black and even I know white empowerment had/has the right strategy to grow South Africa. ANC my fucking foot that stepped on all kinds of shit! This is bullshit! I'm so fuck disappointed! We need white empowerment! South Africa needs help!

[@johngichuki4092]

How many hours Of Power rationing in south Africa averyday?

[@mjkluyyqakysaqqvvyar2028]

amandla............

[@biggiebig7602]

Our natural reaction as Africans in SA was to destroy and dismantle everything that was built by apartheid,from institutions to roads,bridges,rail network,ports,eskom,post office and many more everything the majority citizens destroyed with maximum accuracy.for what exactly?

[@betelwoodworking9952]

Daar is spesiale plek vir PWBotha in die Hemel. En spesiale plek vir FW en Pik in die hel.

[@crunchkarma4907]

When A Serving President Could Talk Without Interruption

[@objectivenews3604]

Serving who exactly?

[@victormukwevho3455]

Even when he was talking rubbish

[@bushbabybotha9943]

@@objectivenews3604 a functional government and people.

[@bushbabybotha9943]

@@victormukwevho3455 as opposed to the rubbish in government now? Now we literally have farmyard animals trying to lead!

[@cecilthurstonvanreenen2001]

Because they were autocratic, we are democratic now

[@micaelpicarra9041]

Where did you get this speech? I would like to purchase speeches like this for a historical basis!

[@yandisambusi4449]

Why don't u try that logo, AP. Perhaps it will put you on the right direction

[@kpl455]

Back when SA was governed by people with values and competence.

[@aarongunnz9513]

The government of today embrace incompetence, laziness, corruption, nepotism

[@Gabriel-mh5ln]

People like you, people who idolize the criminal government of apartheid South Africa and its exploits, are the reason why people think that all white people are racist

[@a.b3203]

@@Gabriel-mh5ln and we frankly don't care that you think that

[@Gabriel-mh5ln]

@@a.b3203 Then voetsek out of South Africa, European.

[@a.b3203]

@@Gabriel-mh5ln nope. My land, my people.

[@Wilhelm5381]

But look at the balls up of the ANC government..

[@davidthompson8058]

I guess the Romans could have said the same after they left Britain.

[@hydrocrow1108]

Look at the balls up today in SA my friend

[@breathe751]

The notion of orderly reform in his speech was in reality a system of a three chamber parlement. On top were the white chamber, then Coloureds and Asians and then Blacks, each segregated with their own voting rights. PW believed this was the solution for South Africa. However this had its limitations as well as the groups did not have equal rights and the same access to resources. He opted for a future where the white minority would hold on to military power to uphold order in order to "negotiate" a future for whites in a new South Africa. He did not trust the left who seemed, in his words, to hide behind talks of "pious morals." His biggest fear was that South Africa would be left in the hands of the typical corrupt African Dictator which was a common leadership theme in post colonial Africa.

[@wordscapes5690]

And, as much as I hate to admit it... his predictions has come true. So terribly sad.

[@andrewdutoit9571]

The end product would have been a Confederation of States which would have been the right model for South Africa.

[@DP-ho9if]

@@andrewdutoit9571 Bophuthatswana could've have been the starting point for federalism in South Africa, I wish they could've succeeded on this mandate. Look at us now! We gave absolute power to communists (Mandela et al) in the form of a unitary state/rainbow nation, we're in trouble. Hence, Chief Lucas Mangope didn't want to associate himself with AnC and the likes.

[@MrRossea01]

This is the stuff they don't want the masses to know about...so sad what this country has become

[@betssteyn-vd9sq]

PW Botha was n op regte President hy het gese alles gaan op gefok word en hy was reg 🎉❤

[@kareladriaanludeke3475]

People take note he was the best

[@martinvanschalk5973]

The only real statesman since Verwoerd up till now.

[@emmanuelkoech485]

President pw Botha was an African tragedy

[@andrewdutoit9571]

@emmanuelkoech485 Why do you say that?

[@MarioStahl1983]

is this the original "rubicon speech"?

[@bloodmapedit]

That was 3 months earlier.

[@MarioStahl1983]

@@bloodmapedit Ah, okay. I was wondering. Out of historical interest I would like to see the original rubicon speech but I'm never sure which one among those that you can find on the internet is actually the original one. If you are no expert it's kinda hard to find out.

[@bloodmapedit]

@@MarioStahl1983Oddly enough It seems there's no video of this to be found on KZbin.

[@MarioStahl1983]

@@bloodmapedit Oh really? What a pity. I mean I found the transcript. But reading it is not the same thing.

[@aneleminisi471]

Rubicon thing it looks like it was just a propaganda.

[@cjels5400]

how did he know that SA is going to be in so much trouble today ?

[@andrewdutoit9571]

@cjels5400 A High School child in 1970 could have told you what would have happened under a Majority Government. History is littered with examples.

[@cjels5400]

Eugene told him 😆

[@Alex-ve8uq]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/jXLSf5uXmNSdo68si=XcdzLuwCA8svz4ta

[@robertthomsen6711]

The State President when I was born! I can't agree with him 100% , but he started good reforms, and intended peace

[@BerlGlickman]

Peace is possible only if make two separate coutnries, states - for white and for black. It was biggest deKlerk`s failures - not to make Boer Republic.

[@devol_1]

^ boer republic in EUROPE not here. go back to where you came from !

[@andrewdutoit9571]

​@@devol_1If you look closely, the African Whites have a recorded history here. How far back can you trace your ancestors.

[@davethorstry6700]

@@andrewdutoit9571 They cant, they have none, only the rubbish they have been fed from embelished campfire stories.

[@samuelantonioleytonbarruet1563]

If you want a Boer Republic, go back to the Netherlands and leave South Africa to the black people who have inhabited it for centuries.

[@pieterviljoen1257]

He was totally right

[@Helgardt6189]

‘n Staatsman duisend 👍

[@diekkruger3137]

Hy wás ñ puik leier!

[@travelsouthafrica5048]

net n jammerte dat hy teen daardie tyd regeer het oor n nasie van slapgatte en rugstekers wat bereid wasom alles prys te gee vir n paar rand en rugby

[@tebogogladystladi7129]

It was to late.

[@casspirmk6338]

Die Groot Krokodil P.W. Botha. Steps to ease political situation in SA were taken too late and too slow . Exclude indian and asian communities from political life was grave mistake. No way 15% can rule 85%, times changed, SA fall behind.. Too sad

[@peterrobertson2778]

Thanks for your accurate comments

[@nealford3246]

South Africa is in the horrible state it is in because this was not dealt with under Smuts. the 1927 race laws were a fatal mistake. What should have been done instead would to have been building bridges so that unsegregated political parties might arise, instead of having something like Malan's white National Party which could never hope to build a national consensus that could have made South Africa an example to the world, and a very prosperous one at that. Instead Blacks were left as 4th class citizens, or rather, subjects , who were driven to more radical parties, which were either tribally based like Inkatha or Marxist, like the ANC. The sheer numbers would one day ensure that the corrupt, incompetent Marxist ANC would come to power, and utterly destroy the country from an economic and law and order standpoint. At this point, the best we can hope for is that enough people will get behind a multiracial party like Democratic Alliance and do what should have been done from the start. Credit where due, the transition of power back in 1994 was peaceful and Mandela did work to try and promote reconciliation rather than reprisals. However he did miss an opportunity to protect the country's economy, which would have benefitted all, . I think that there should have been a National Unity government consisting of leadership from ANC, Inkatha and New National for the first 10 years with Mandela and De Klerk, and Buthelezi sharing power. Perhaps on a rotating basis, as has been done in Israel. It would have , I believe conveyed a message of goodwill and stability, and helped the economy and reconciliation to the point where economic and social damage (as well as the rise of EFF)might have been avoided, and kept radicals on all sides in check.

[@TheDiasporaMedia]

@@nealford3246 Top Comment

[@san12X]

@@nealford3246 100%. You hit the nail on the head!

[@gerhardspamer2570]

If the masses should rule the impala would be the king of the animals..... instead the lion is.... you cannot fight nature.... things are what they are

[@whitehavenfoundation8127]

my president

[@doonydoesstuff]

Can someone explain to me why he is speaking English and not Afrikaans?

[@cristinatheestallion]

I believe it is because his speech was aimed at minorities, like black communities.

[@cristinatheestallion]

His main policy was to reform the political situation and ease the conditions for non-Whites, to which he is speaking in this speech and therefore in English so they understand

[@71rude]

Because they only understood Afrikaans then when they were supposed to work now they understand everything is for free.. stand in a few .. n

[@lunganimthiyane9798]

@@cristinatheestallion since when blacks are minorities??

[@cristinatheestallion]

@@lunganimthiyane9798 minorities are a group in society distinguished from, and less dominant than the rest. This is one of the descriptions for minorities. Which was the case and still is in SA

[@peterkiburio8323]

Mountains dont change, but people do, dont blame him, he is a victim of circumstance.

[@christobosman5710]

He was a true leader , not as the shit we have today ,

[@defaultsettings63]

​@@christobosman5710both are terrible, but in different ways.

[@christobosman5710]

@@defaultsettings63 he proofed that he paid his house , not a mansion a house in monthly payments which he paid to a building society in an interview he had with a television station before he passed away , unlike the black rubbish of today that paid cash for the mansions they live in driving Ferraris , Lamborghini's that is the useless rulers of the country , when the Americans approached him and offered him money to sell out his people he turned them away , unfortunately we cant say the same of the traitor de klerk that did except the money , P W Botha wasn't every white South Africans friend , he told white people to change or die but he wanted to bring the black people on the same standard or level as the whites before he allows a one man one vote system in the Republic of South Africa witch by the way never belonged to the blacks working and living in South Africa that is why black people coming from their homelands into South Africa looking for work only had to carry passes , the same as a pass port today witch a person from another country has to carry with him or her when visiting another country . Today we can see that P W Botha was not wrong when he first wanted to lift up the blacks to a higher standard before giving black people the vote , what we see is happening in the new south africa is the result of dumb people voting for scum to rule nothing else .

[@kg2727]

That was my last president

[@ludwembam303]

A cruel one....

[@JH-zh7hq]

stop following losers

[@leonardolupini3484]

@@ludwembam303 No not. He was grossly misunderstood. This guy started dismantling Apartheid from 1979. Go read it up

[@JH-zh7hq]

so then why don't you follow his path?

[@JH-zh7hq]

@@leonardolupini3484 false narrative. Why do you even get involved. Stick to your Italian pizza and chat shit to your people with your hands and your mini-alphabet

[@radikowalski1553]

Soo that’s what hate speech sounds like when covered in “progress?”

[@BerlGlickman]

Why he is speaking in English and not in Afrkaans?! Is he a traitor?

[@karabontseki617]

Because english dominates afrikaans any day.

[@BerlGlickman]

@@karabontseki617 Yes, I know it. But if P.W.Botha represent Boer community, he have to speak on their language (and his own mother-language) - afrikaans.

[@karabontseki617]

@@BerlGlickman He was in charge of the whole SA not just the boer community, when your president or prime minister country comes first not your community. I do respect this Old Crocodile even though he was a racist, hard strong man and that I respect.

[@BerlGlickman]

@@karabontseki617 From this point of view I agree with you. But biggest mistake of SA is NOT to divide SA into two independent states - white and black. Why not to give to blacks opportinity to rule by themselves?! Why apartheid?! Therefore whites suffers all their troubles today.

[@johnlamb3101]

P W is also addressing the World and its media. (Notice the AP in the rh corner.)With all due respect - How could they understand Afrikaans?)

[@russdossantos7714]

this is a hero a man of Holiness says all colords Indians and whites and alot of south Africans who get killed n hurt by same Africans who say freedom but yet harm the blessings they got for free

[@brianmuvuti2102]

Dude! What the fuck are you smoking?

[@ludwembam303]

He was a terrific leader

[@danielfourie7204]

Man thought it was Putin speaking English for us at first!

[@johngichuki4092]

Thot it was Gorbachev.. 😂

[@frankdegouveia3827]

Salute and Respect Pieter RIV MY LAND GENOOT🏆🥇

[@ubaidullahellahi8177]

This man was in one of the worst catastrophes to ever happen to South Africa. The amount of blood on his hands is enough to create a whole ocean

[@robertthomsen6711]

Take s closer look at the blood on Mandela's hands

[@robertthomsen6711]

He and his wife killed black and white people. Read a history book and don't rely on a school state education

[@robertthomsen6711]

And I am talking about "Madiba"

[@robertthomsen6711]

They are more stained with black peoples blood than any other African Leader , 2nd in place is Mr Mogabe

[@rorykinsella8826]

Your very wrong.214 000 people died the 10 years from 1994 to 2004 that s the reason why apartheid was implemented .unfortunately the present black government are not capable of running a modern country FACT .nor will they ever been. Is the pope a Catholic .does a bear shit in the woods .ete ete it just evolution

[@cecilthurstonvanreenen2001]

How some people wish

[@westcountrypirate7504]

hero 100%

[@JH-zh7hq]

a loser not a hero. also wtf is he talking about. He should get to the point. What a clown lmao. he's already forgotten by history which he couldn't stop

[@amstelninja17]

@@JH-zh7hq at least he could read off a speech off a page and could count

[@leonardolupini3484]

@@JH-zh7hq He protected minorities and was staunchly anti-communist. Since his rule, SA has slid into chaos and junk status. Go figure.

[@JH-zh7hq]

@@leonardolupini3484 I'm sure most people in South Africa, particularly black people, will disagree with you. How can you be claiming to protect minorities when you have minority rule, please don't be a dumb ass thanks

[@JH-zh7hq]

@@amstelninja17 reading and counting are all things that he had had no part in creating or advancing. This man has led a purely unproductive and dirty life based on talking oppression. Sad.

[@LooserRaikkonen]

A truly great man who recognized the need for reform which would eventually bring us to 27 April 1994.

[@luissilva6970]

The Great African Crocodile. A true Stateman.

[@kasper2212ify]

A Truly piece of shit

[@voertsek8404]

Balls of steel

[@LooserRaikkonen]

@@kasper2212ify Seriously? There was more orderly governance under PW than anyone else since him. He never lied, or stole, which is the norm today. South Africa prospered and was not in junk status either. Crime and rape was also under control... Today SA is just a big shit hole.

[@brianmuvuti2505]

Your mother is a shithole.

[@lucasmaake6603]

Our money

[@crunchkarma4907]

In 1985 it was R2 per $1 ( R0.70 in 1970 ) a single dollar gets you a nice R18 as of 2020 Its surprising what a difference it makes when your president can actually read, who knew? Im no expert, but NOT pronouncing 150 as =million hundred and five zero hundred= might be the key! breaking records, thats the ANC for you, Highest murder, rape, unemployment & crime rate as well as inflation and poverty in history, congrats ANC. But hey! At least every ANC member is a Billionaire, thats all that counts. However Like the minister in parliament said, (and I quote) settlers ruined the country when "they arrived in the Cape 2000 years ago" not only are whites the reason for bankruptcy etc, while one party led the state, namely ANC, settlers "invaded" with their boats, oil lamps & technology alongside Jesus's lifetime, apparently and "Ruined South Africa" to the point of introducing currency, math, bricks, boats, shoes, clothes, agriculture and those darn settlers even had the Audacity to survive concentration camps losing 48k however , no way they ever suffered. Genocide is fun, right? Those pesky useless whites Even Accidentally developing the most developed infrastructrue On the whole continent (oopsie) however, that doesnt nearly compare to the superior much more complex & impressive scattered grass huts present before, some even featuring mud for walls, still no bricks. Whites should have taught of animal skin as clothes & huts first! But instead lost sight and doomed the country by leading it straight into a first world economy. Luckily we're third world now, which apparently is good, because three is more & more has to be better! Since I just see tha number climbing, always, yay. Should have just not had Apartheid & a self governing white country.

[@boeloevanboeloefontein]

@@crunchkarma4907 accurate

[@vuilste752]

@@crunchkarma4907 Uncle Cyril can read, and his accent is way better than Botha's

[@willembritz4666]

@@vuilste752 true, just more of a snake.

[@georgev9170]

Botha was an exceptionally incompetent and unintelligent leader. Up until the early 80s, the economy was booming and the ANC was nothing more than a faxing machine in Dar-es-Salam, a virtual non-entity like the Taliban today. Going from there, he could have comfortably reformed or done away with Apartheid altogether without ever talking to any of these marxist terrs. Instead, he and the Nat- gang decided to actively legitimize and empower the ANC by constantly babbling about change and releasing Mandela, while at the same time failing to deliver or even further entrenching Apartheid. Of course this would blow up in their faces.

[@muhamed-nurnordien2771]

Interesting comment! Got me thinking!!

[@daniella7968]

that's kind of rude. he was not unintelligible and I recommend that you read a book or article written by somebody that is not biased or already have a hate towards him. I do 100% respect your opinion and right to have an opinion, but it just hurts me when I see people humiliating my great grandfather. He was a kind man and very loving towards his family and friends

[@daniella7968]

he's not even here to defend himself

[@ENovaM]

@@daniella7968 seems like your grandfather was a racist piece of shit

[@pierrespoutnik]

@@daniella7968 I have very great respect for your grandfather State Pres. Botha, greetings from Lebanon I visited Eastern Transvaal and the Cape of Good Hope in 2011, I have a very fond memory of SA and Afrikaaners

[@peterkiburio8323]

A wind of change came to africa that even the bours could not resist.

[@andrewdutoit9571]

@peterkirburio8323 We did resist but deKlerk couldn't. The traitor, he single handedly destroyed South Africa.

[@danieengelbrecht8482]

And look at the mess now😂

[@moteague]

This man should be charge for crimes against humanity. The South Africans should remove every trace of this murderer.

[@247cscont_nt]

You don't see the bigger picture.

[@factandtruth1022]

Monuments should be put up on every street corner In this country. Airports, towns, roads should be named after him. But unfortunately we have that communist, mandela and all his useless side kicks trashing since clean and perfect south africa. Unfortunately you cant debate this, can you....

[@bushbabybotha9943]

So charge him you dumb fuck, id love to see the first prosecution of a dead man!

[@andrewdutoit9571]

@moteague Lol, Crimes Against Humanity all because he wouldn't share his toilet with anybody of a different colour? You quite hilarious because that's all Apartheid was.

[@k-nerdproductions4130]

@@andrewdutoit9571 that's all apartheid was? Are you kidding me? What about the economic implications and generational trauma for the black majority?!

[@Tlhakxza]

Anyone WHITE AFRIKAANS MAN here ever heard of a gent by the name of THABO MBEKI...a BLACK MAN who was born right here in SOUTH AFRICA....??? Tell you what,a lil secret in fact...as a BLACK MAN he made a mockery of this entire cabinet including the “great man” who just made this address.😉

[@davidroux7987]

Yes. Mbeki was the great intellectual. His most priceless gem was the "blacks cannot be racist" move. You need real brains for such a profound insight.

[@pieterwillembotha6719]

@@davidroux7987 Or his classic gem about AIDS in South Africa was not a concern at the time.

[@jaap3049]

Thabo who?

[@bellvilleboykie]

He has the blood of over 300,000 Africans on his hands for his AIDS denial....that's not my opinion, THAT IS FACT....eish!

[@africantruth2539]

@@davidroux7987 Yes, blacks cannot be racist. One of the most intelligent white people Albert Einstein wrote "Racism, a disease of white people".