Tunnelers were once Human? | Fallout Lore

This video will discuss: Tunnelers, The Divide, Marked Men, Deathclaws, Ulysses and The Courier.
After the Great War the world was drastically transformed, entire cities were wiped clean in a hot flash and people were given no choice but to settle underground in shelters both manmade and natural. For most survivors, shelters were deep enough to escape the radiation, but for some, those having to make do with the basements and caverns beneath their homes, they were left to fester and to breed and to change into something new.
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[@Warrior-Of-Virtue]

The part that always bothers me about these "humans evolving into monsters" scenarios is that it always shows them losing their intelligence. I find it hard to believe that natural selection would eliminate what is by far Humanity's greatest strength.

[@cosmiccosmonaut820]

God: let's turn them back into dinosaurs,I miss those little guys

[@Subject_Keter]

I think most of those cases cause a brain drain where the smarts and all the stuff we know get killed off and eventually just beep boop kinda deal. Also the Radiation probably fired their brains and left them on instinct and the new generations have no need for smarts, only Dig.

[@kujo4388]

This is a really good comment. I never even noticed that most of the time in fiction when humans evolve they usually lose the intelligence

[@elic1356]

That's true, though in most popular fiction it appears evolution has a habit of siding with physical strength and endurance, rather than expanding upon the primary "strengths" the evolving creature in question has.

[@FidoZip1988]

"Stupid manteloups are as good or better than sad, inteligent manteloups for survival, human concience is not sacred to evolution" All Tomorrows

[@NicholasLaRosa0496]

There is a mod called DUST (I think) where the worst possible outcome happens in the Mojave. The Cloud from DEAD MONEY mixed with a massive radioactive sandstorm, consumed the Mojave. This allowed the Tunnelers to migrate to the Mojave. I just think it's a cool "what if?" Mod for people to take a look at.

[@larrychilders6599]

Yup that's Dust, the guy also made the Fallout 4 Frost mod

[@cann0708]

Most of the issues are caused by the NCR aswell

[@Thewhitedragon27185]

Frost was so nightmarishly difficult I just couldn’t find enjoyment from it. The concept and thought of it are awesome though.

[@MisterJohnDoe]

So that's the mod I've been hearing so much about. I might just check it out.

[@dorinthompson1974]

Five months later thank you to you sir for an amazing mod😅 just thought I had to say something I'd never had found it without your comment here

[@jaroslavmrazek5752]

"They'll start emerging throughout the Mojave in time, might be years. Probably less."

[@sceligator]

*Dust PTSD intensifies*

[@Subject_Keter]

I swear people are coping by saying. "Ulysses is a big crab head who wanted to use nukes! He not a god!"

[@SiriusCygnus]

This was one of my favorite parts

[@Subject_Keter]

@@SiriusCygnus "I hope you make your choices right six, Storm is abrewing and it aint bearbull this time.

[@herrdoctor2895]

Its funny, after I finish the dlc, I was walking around to check if my mods were working properly, lo and behold, 2 hulking tunneler and a single tunneler escaped, I look at the Canyon and said "Did they got through you Ulysses?"

[@e31174]

Honestly I agree with your evaluation of the Tunnelers and I always thought that Ulysses was full of it when he said the Tunnelers would take the Mojave. As you said they don’t like light at all, and the Mojave is a massive desert that isn’t covered by a giant storm like the divide. Plus we see that Ulysses himself is very flawed in his own logic when it comes to bringing down which ever faction he is planning on destroying, so I always took it that he was flat out wrong about his prediction.

[@cosmiccosmonaut820]

Unless he teams up with Elijah and his spooky fog I agree The tunnelers seem hardy enough to survive the effects of the cloud

[@maximus4765]

Ironically, those who were safest in bunkers are now under the most threat. RIP power armored factions

[@Subject_Keter]

He more conflicted, he knows all this stuff but all the events that happenes to him gave birth to this horrible genesis of a idea. Man is a good tracker and knows the land better then we would. If he says it dangerous, it probably is. Especially to people who would never see it coming.

[@jacobfreeman5444]

The problem is it would be hell to kill out a colony once it gets started. People with tech could probably deal with them in direct confrontations easily enough but Tunnelers strike me as ambush predators. Meaning direct confrontations will not be the norm. So Ulysses has a point. Cities will likely fare just fine, but even a suburb might be in danger. The more spread out people are, the more danger they would be in. And let us not forget farms need to use all the available land they got on their crops. So food production may end up being in trouble.

[@Subject_Keter]

@@jacobfreeman5444 It starts to turn into a Full on Always on Siege: Hard to find their nest, a nightmare to fully wipe one out, who knows how many spread out in a given area and you will have to make sure all your bases are covered.

[@Mrkabrat]

Reminds me of H.P Lovecrafts story "The Lurking Fear"; where a family sensitive to thunderstorms take shelter underground in a mansion and slowly devolve into ape like creatures, attacking the nearby area which kick-starts the story via the narrator coming to investigate it, discovering the aforementioned truth

[@teogonzalez7957]

Weirdly enough, in fallout 4 Cabot mentions an ancient civilization under the Mojave. If this is the tunnelers, that means they’re also the snake people from the lost city by lovecraft.

[@reaper67309]

@@teogonzalez7957 Cabot actually discovered the underground city in Arabia, not the Mojave.

[@teogonzalez7957]

@@reaper67309 yes, but after the quest he says something like “my father believed there was another city under the Mojave”.

[@DustDemonTwilight]

@@teogonzalez7957 yup he does! there is another city somewhere under the mojave, i believe the tunnelers are part of this place, either mutated or whatever happened to them. they are just completely different than anything we have seen before.

[@J0hnzie]

The Tunnelers aren't living on borrowed time. They're living on burrowed time.

[@wealllame]

Wut?

[@RealSpaceCatFallout]

​@@wealllameburrowed time like a tunnel.

[@ALovelyBunchOfDragonballz]

What a _boring_ joke 😉

[@redbeardsteelskin6723]

I could totally see trapdoors (like the spider) through the Mojave where people get a bit too close and just disappear. I think the tunnelers could be a legitimate threat because of 2 factors. 1- people wouldn't expect them during their initial invasion and they don't exactly have a way to track them. 2- The Marked Men and Deathclaws of the Divide have been fighting them for years, they understand what to do and how to fight if they show up. Legion don't use flashbangs or even flashlights for that matter, so they're already at a disadvantage. NCR has a better chance, but with how spread thin they are, I could easily see them losing out in a war of numbers. I am curious about the Queen bit though, I wouldn't think there'd be only one, but at the same time, there's only the one location they've been spawning at so maybe that's not wrong.

[@cosmiccosmonaut820]

Unless the queen has powerful pheromones like the hive queens in Kenshi then they might act like pharaoh ants Having multiple queens but still acting as one unit

[@chriskopp1361]

The courier could definitely tell someone about them like the NCR and have them, as someone else once said shine floodlights and keep flamethrowers pointed at the cave entrances.

[@Subject_Keter]

I think the Tunnelers would be a moderate threat anywhere else but in Fallout if they especially learn how to hollow out buildings to make them collapse... You are doomed.

[@redbeardsteelskin6723]

@@chriskopp1361 I Guess it depends on if the NCR believes them and takes the threat seriously before they're attacked. Also where the Tunnelers come in for the initial attack, it was solid rock everywhere in the Divide and they still dug through easily, so I'm not sure if the Mojave would be harder or easier. Even if they take the threat seriously though, it'll still come back to if they have the soldiers to spare to fight the threat before it becomes too dangerous.

[@Subject_Keter]

@@redbeardsteelskin6723 I think the real bottleneck (pun xox) is how many nests and queens can you kill before they overwhelm you. If you need a visual aid, imagine Phoniex Point Tatical map but limit it to California and Nevada but you must find all the nest, moving your troops are even slower somehow and like x3 melee dudes in mostlu compact and cramped tunnels. And that assuming you could even detect them or get survivors point out where they got attacked.

[@DSlyde]

So in fallout 3 there a terminal in the citadel that mentions project cloacina. It's clearly talking about the initial experiments resulting in mole rats but listen to this description and tell me it doesnt also sound like tunnelers: "living weapons in time for deployment into Red China. Once covertly released into an enemy's environment, their aggressive qualities, dangerous hunger, and pervasive breeding should severely undermine the infrastructure of the location in short order, softening the target for ground invasion. At this point, the genetic kill-switch can be activated, allowing for easy reclamation" If tunnelers turned out to be cloacinas final product after giving up on rats, I would not be surpirsed

[@Umbra_Ursus]

Would make sense if they were just another pre-war B.O.W., given things like the deathclaw and nightstalker. There is a clear divide between "natural" mutants (Radroaches and radscorpions) and manufactured mutants, after all.

[@prophetofpuppets]

Wannamingos also have a kill switch so we can't rule that out.

[@chriskopp1361]

The divide would also be a perfect place to keep them, considering that the silos could remain stable despite being shooken sideways by earthquakes.

[@matthewgallagher8491]

@@prophetofpuppets They do?

[@staringgasmask]

@@matthewgallagher8491 that's Fallout Bible lore, which isn't confirmed canon but it can be a good explanation for most lore that isn't developed enough in the first game, such as Wanamingos

[@Spongebrain97]

I actually didn't know they were supposed to be evolved humans. I thought Ulysses meant that even before the bombs fell that the Tunnelers already existed as a separate species but the bombs caused them to start going towards the surface

[@dieselface1]

It's only implied that they're mutated humans, never stated directly. However, there's no other explanation for their humanoid appearance.

[@Subject_Keter]

Some people think the Tunnelers are B.O.W but we would of ran into that facility during our pub crawl. If they were in their bunkers and slowly started mutating over 200 yeara till the Courier popped it open, it would still have the effect Ulysses describes. He is smart but he literally wasnt around long enough there.

[@Killa_Joule2005]

I thought that it was implied that they were developed pre war and were going to be relesed in china but then the bombs dropped and they escaped like the Deathclaws and onely recently they have been expanding.

[@Spongebrain97]

@@Subject_Keter what is B O W?

[@Kek393]

@@Spongebrain97 bio organic weapon I think

[@elic1356]

Tunnelers are an absolute pain to fight, especially as an low level or under equipped courier. "Who would go to the divide low level and under equipped?" Yours truly.

[@d.o.a7552]

High luck and the Q-35 modulator all your troubles wash away in a gratuitous green glow of plasma

[@Subject_Keter]

@@d.o.a7552 Holorifle for Pleasure but really just get what was it... A Power Fist for them, i love how it swings so fast.

[@chesterstevens8870]

I distinctly remember once trying to tackle the Divide on my energy weapons character, then coming back later after redownloading the game and forgetting to download the DLC's. All my high end gear from Big MT was gone, I had to backtrack and buy a ton of shit from one of the commissary terminals and had a nightmare of a time fighting my way across the overpass.

[@elic1356]

@@chesterstevens8870 I feel really bad for you-- that's just an "owch" moment.

[@zevvez_]

*chuckles* I'm in danger.

[@DirtyStinky]

To be honest i never really understood how theyd over run the mojave. The strip is full of bright light, is extremely loud, and has business from caravans along with the gun runner arsenal supplying weapons i cant think that theyll be that large of threat.

[@Subject_Keter]

They would slowly infest the underground, spread across the whole Wasteland and gradually overrun everyone. They are strong now but threats like that amp up over time and.. you would be hard pressed to find people brave enough to go in there to clear it out.

[@DirtyStinky]

@@Subject_Keter Except a few points. The tunnelers are mostly unknown for all we know the courier does in fact kill the queen and end the threat. Second the marked men still live in this environment and havent been killed off so the wasteland would fair alright. Third if the tunnelers were truly a threat the divide would be completely empty because they wouldve have been strong enough to kill everything in it. Fourth their weaknesses fan be easily abused bright light and loud noise is not hard to come by meaning the only part of the wasteland that would face threats would be the outskirt settlements which would just move inward towards vegas for saftey. Assuming house or the ncr wins a railroad would most likely eventually be constructed to transportation of goods would be relatively safe. Cazadors are flying creatures which are extremely strong and deadly being able to kill deathclaws themselves they would probably become a natural predator to them and curve the population. Ulysseses is not all knowing sure he is smart but he also thought that nuclear bombs was some kind of solution. His statement is from his own experience not objective facts.

[@Subject_Keter]

@@DirtyStinky 1. Unless otherwise proven, you cant assume that as it was "higher" up hive and they could be all over the Divide. 2. Marked Men are tough sonabitches who would be like the Rangers, way above normal people and not what you would call "normal" in their self defense. 3. They hide in their caves and never go out, it not a exact 100% "If X equal Y, theb that Z" issue. The sunlight and conditions play a part but once out of the Divide? It up in the air. 4. The cities issue is.. can they keep it up forever as places start to go dark, resupplu lines break, caravans are taken out and safe houses are rended by tooth and claw. Also assuming they wouldnt bite into the power cords underground or such which helps keeps Vegas lights on. They arw a slowly creeping biomass that will consume all, not a 40k virus bomb. Also it would dumb to assume cazardors could do enough damage to them as they mostly likely not gwt into direct contact, tunnerlers settle in the forgotten places and frankly would rush would more numbers then cazadors. Ulysses is outthere but he sees it as it is, you are comparing a marathon to a sprint down the block. It doesnt matter how long they take, they will come and hit harder then most foes out there.

[@yessirbak7221]

@@DirtyStinky I don't think they would be to much of a threat above ground at least not at first (I mean people already have to deal with raiders, deathclaws, and more) but the problem would be once they start tunneling underground a lot and destroying Pipes, electricity, and infrastructure. You would have to get underground and destroy their nest. If they take it as a serious threat once it starts to happen and work towards eliminating them and the nest, then it shouldn't be to big of a deal (just another pest you would have to stay on top of, and maybe even fully eradicate one day). If they don't act quick enough, it could get to the point where the infestation is to big and maintaining serious infrastructure would be way to much to handle if possible

[@Subject_Keter]

@@yessirbak7221 like lets say the Strip, all it would take is digging up their wires and the whole grid would probably short circuit. Assuming there ARE people who can fix it and have supplies nearby... The Tunnelers just need to keep swarming and if they send the signal to attack from all the other nearby hives, aint going to be pretty.

[@Subject_Keter]

Tunnelers: Making the Flamer useful and suddenly the giant City 17 Thumper that is the Citadel seem not so bad now. But considering all the messed up stuff from Fallout 1 and 2, I think the Mojave has fighting chance.. atleast.

[@Subject_Keter]

I am so picturing Mr House run New Vegas who set up a vistor booth building to explain all the stuff to not interefe with and how to scare off the threats cuz it a waste of resources for citizens to die. All i am saying whatever probablu hellhole Vegas turns into.. I would not want to imagine NCR handling it.

[@Subject_Keter]

I think No matter what Faction ends up getting New Vegas, the new leaders would be able to hold out for a Time. (beside speedrunning Yes Man obvs) Imo Mr. House < Yes Man < NCR and Legion for who can handle their expasion. House would find it annoying but Data would prove how deadly they are and I can see House experimenting ways to find their nests, gassing or naplaming them and having the Citizens paided to keep a eyeout for this Long War. After dealing with the Crawlers, Courier would give Yesman time to run the data as he warns everyone and reifornices Trade Routes.. Sure it would be scary to have Secureatrons following you but given the threat and Vegas needs to keep it head afloat. The Courier wouls find solutions to this despite how... taxing it may be in sweat, gold or blood. NCR are middling imo: They would want to defend their lands, the Government would bicker over solutions and Research and the worst thing they may over or underestimate the Tunnelers. I am not saying full in Mad Max but things are goinf to rough for everyone and NCR is going to retract for some time and mainly hope Vegas can do with whatever meager supplies CAN get through. Legion.. Ironically IMO most capable to clear out Nests but this frankly would push them over the edge. Lanius would be able to keep the men holding the line but to conquer the NCR or grow a population thay wouldnt fall in on itself? Good luck chief.

[@Gnympert]

@@smeggiamagarwine "You have chosen, or been chosen, to relocate to one of our finest remaining urbam centers. I though so much of New Vegas I established my administration here, in the Lucky .38, so thoughtfully provided by our benefactors."

[@williambowes-xt2sm]

Oh? Do tell :) what could be so bad from the NCR regions it makes cazadors seem tame? Cazadors!

[@Swedishmafia101MemeCorporation]

I always wondered whether these things were human or not. Makes sense if they are, considering their similarities with the Pitt's trogs and Vault 22's plant people.

[@houstonhelicoptertours1006]

More like "we already have that Trog model, its rig and a complete set of animations - so let's get some extra mileage out of it" 😅

[@manz7860]

It's almost like New Vegas is glorified fallout 3 dlc.

[@MisterJohnDoe]

The humanoid thing is probably just to recycle animations from another creature like the ones you just said. I feel like they might be more genetic weapons like the Deathclaws, or possibly another one of Big Mountain's creations like the Nightstalkers and Cazadores.

[@Cairo40000]

@@manz7860 And it’s better!

[@Spaxecowboy]

@@Cairo40000outer worlds

[@InquisitorXarius]

Honestly, the Tunnelers are one of my favorite things added to Fallout lore by New Vegas. But it always bothered me how they were never expanded on. Personally, if there were to be a future fallout game, preferably in Ohio of all places, I wouldn’t mind seeing intelligent tunnelers roaming the wasteland in a nomadic society, either trying to coexist with the rest of the wasteland or pulling a Richard Grey and converting humans into tunnelers while killing all the ghouls and super mutants.

[@ntfoperative9432]

I actually would love them to revisit Chicago, where the de canonized Fallout Tactics was set, and where the most inclusive branch of the Brotherhood of Steel is based

[@InquisitorXarius]

@@ntfoperative9432 I kinda imagined that the midwest BOS and the Chicago enclave would merge into a faction that would be involved in the northwest part of the map and the game's overall story.

[@InquisitorXarius]

@@kman1893 Eh, give or take a few gamma rays per acre of brahmin pasture. 😉🤣

[@camarofish344]

Please do not drop tunnelers in my state

[@InquisitorXarius]

@@camarofish344 Hey I’m also a Ohioan, Cincinnati Specifically.

[@darthhavokk701]

"They breed fast, hunt in groups, more than enough to bring down the strongest in the Mojave. Once they draw blood... Seen them tear apart deathclaws... Deathclaw might get some, but the rest will swarm it, tear it apart, like Denver hounds" God forbid that the red mist comes to the Mojave...

[@VaciliNikoMavich]

I can't imagine the terror of someone in New California finding a nest of these things in a basement or dark warehouse.

[@furiousstyles7998]

This is deep, What does a brother have to do to find out about the origins of perfectly preserved pie?

[@cosmiccosmonaut820]

Hugh neutron made the perfect pie before the nukes fell Now he travels the wasteland after once sitting on a banana So that he may one day eat his pie

[@elic1356]

The Fallout NV mod "Dust" is a really good presentation of the aftermath of the main game, having a particular bit regarding the Tunnelers entering the Mojave. Would definitely suggest people check it out!

[@MakinaValsie]

Is it DUST Survival Simulator?

[@elic1356]

@@MakinaValsie Believe so

[@lonkzelda7871]

@@MakinaValsie Yes it is, please god get it

[@MakinaValsie]

@@lonkzelda7871 Downloaded it, time to dive in to it 👍

[@lonkzelda7871]

@@MakinaValsie Just saying now, its fucking brutal, have a fun time

[@seanromine3932]

Well, the one queen that we do see, being that this spot is closer to the surface. If they only recently moved closer up here. Then that could be saying that in that short span of time, they had established this new nest and set up a queen in it. Animals in nature fill niches, so largely based on food. They will branch out and continue to grow based on food and establish new nests as they go along. As far as previously being human, Gould were formally human too and they were exposed to intense radiation and not necessarily much else. As for the tunnelers, who is too say what they have seen. Intense radiation, environmental catastrophes from the old world-lots of chemical dumps or spills, we see them all the time. Still, rather a drastic metamorphosis in under 300 years. Suppose that means that it is a rather terrible exposure to whatever. Genetic modification or who knows. Seeing what the trog disease can do to a person. What that illness/mutation from fallout 76-25 years or so after the bombs dropped. There are possibilities. Just hope that as former people, their prolific breeding doesn't extend to their victims as well. Look at the xenomorphs. Incubators that become food afterwards.

[@mcpossum]

One of the creepiest creepy crawly in NV *shivers* Thank you for taking the time to make an other awesome video ❤️

[@donkeyboi9863]

I used to work as a tunnel drill operator, the job was boring! A great video as you continue to burrow into lore for us!

[@dumbmaskman6773]

New Vegas would be safe because of the lights but the rest of the Mojave would be dangerous. The tunnelers can dig underground and you would not know where they are and can surprise attack you at night.

[@AfterAttackTV]

there is a great overhaul called DUST that takes place years after the events of new vegas, and a major plot point is the Tunnelers finally arriving in the mojave and driving everything else to extinction. There is a lot more to it, but that mod made me terrified of these lol

[@willmiddleton7932]

I’d love to see a the tunnelers return but like in a very specific way. Bethesda loves to pull from H.P. Lovecraft and in one Lovecraft story named The Lurking Fear. (I’m about to summarize the story so please keep in mind it’s been a few years since I’ve actually sat down and read it word for word) On Tempest Mountain there are possible reports of the residents of the area being attacked by monsters. Many people attribute the destruction and death to the storms that the area frequently has but after a particularly bad one there was a lot of damage with unmistakable bite and scratch marks reported on a few corpses. This is what causes an unnamed protagonist (the 1922 version of y/n on wattpad) and a monster Hunter to go up to the mountain along with many other reporters. For me the best part of the story is when the reporter and the small crew of people he’s with take shelter on a cabin when a bad storm starts up. They agree to take turns keeping watch and the first man to do that posts up at an open window looking out into the storm. The next morning everyone awakes, confused as to why the first guy is still sitting at the window and never woke someone up for the next shift. When he doesn’t respond to anyone they pull on his shoulder and he falls back revealing that somehow his face and some of his head were torn off, apparently so quickly that he didn’t have time to react at all. Of course they can’t tell if it was a monster or just an idiot who sat next to an open window during a storm and got hit by a branch or something so investigations continue. At the end of the story the protagonist finally meets a creature face to face as he crawls through a tunnel dug by the creature into the mountain. Crawling along with a small light he eventually illuminates one of the creatures as it stares him down, paralyzed with fear the only way the protagonist makes it out is due to a mudslide and tunnel collapse caused by another storm. I think bringing the tunnelers back in a mission referencing the story would be perfect. They’re almost made for it and it would make sense that the tunnelers would only come out during storms or at night because that’s when it’s darkest. Plus I think the player following a trail of clues and grisly sights where there was a monster attack, eventually being lead to a very dark cave where eventually out of the darkness you see their eyes open, or like turning a corner to see them through the darkness would be a great moment. Plus it could canonically cement their spread under ground into other inhabited areas of the world.

[@Maesterful]

For me definitely the scariest and hardest enemies I've come across in a fallout game, more so than the Matadors even. Quick, brutal, relentless and expert night hunters.

[@juliusmoe-nstar8942]

I have a theory for New Vegas's downfall to the tunnelers, Remember the Baron if you let him dictate to never send more food into New Vegas and Starve them out??? I expect a similar effect just more on the Surrounding place, Sure Vegas is bright and loud, but the Surrounding places of Fiends, Crimson Caravan, North Vegas community. They'll fall to Tunneler infestation and then Tunnelers will hunt around but never inside the Vegas strip. And since Vegas isn't numberous enough and reliant on food from trade(Mostly) the already inflated inhabitants will starve, and unable to leave the strip to hunt. In fear of the tunnelers snatching you from below or ambushing you to your death in full view of the others. That situation is as fucked as being marked by the Yautja(Predator) as the Ultimate prize that'll elevate one into chief just to killing you, if not more.

[@RogueInLeather]

They definitely will play a part in the show. New Vegas had to fall to something.

[@BOKKENMMB]

5:10 I heard that I was like OF COURSE ! We had the answer all along ! The context of the game itself preoccupied our mind to focus on game not the info. I've always thought about lore wise it but then coming back to 'main game' it slipped off. But now after the show, and listening to this video ... DING DING DING "the game was rigged from start"

[@RNeuendorf]

Love these vids so much…wish there was an endless playlist just of these I could watch keep this up man

[@thecoolcario9048]

I was wondering where you went. glad to see you back man

[@Synonymous101]

Glad to be back! And I was finishing my undergrad 😅

[@uamaster12]

Always the highlight of my day when you release something, thanks man

[@jadenraymond3510]

Man I’ve really been enjoying your lore videos fr keep it up

[@maninthesnow4393]

I still think ghost people are more of a threat. They show the intelligence to lay out and trap people as well as hunt there prey down with tactics. Unlike the tunnels who just rely on numbers and strength to ambush down prey and are weak when alone.

[@Subject_Keter]

Ghost People can not spread that far due to needing high enough Cloud and Suits to make more members but if the Cloud got bombed in, they wouls be a moderate to High threat by adapting. The Tunnelers main issue is they can build up and bleed nations direct by attacking loners and causing a bunch of Trouble. It the difference between a Undead that can use tools vs a Plague that spreads across the land to consume the land and make it a pain to cross.

[@moon42421]

you're my favorite fallout lore channel by far and unfortunately underrated in the community

[@Aerynolae]

Ah yes, the infamous tunnelers. These were the bane of my trek in the iron gauntlet that is known as the Divide. Found them more terrifying than deathclaws in the DLC. I swear, these guys just won't die.

[@Subject_Keter]

I found the Power Fist+ with upgrades is more then enough to bap them to death. Also a SMMG.

[@Aerynolae]

@@Subject_Keter Was mostly pure guns/energy build on my first playthrough of the DLC, and I did not expect these dudes two-shotting me. Had to exploit VATS whenever they got close to me. Later playthroughs were easier tho thanks to unarmed/explosive weapons. Still, that first impression really made me terrified of them.

[@Subject_Keter]

@@Aerynolae I like walked in with my Bozar and fellout 2 them to death lol. I had more trouble with thwm Marked Meths for having Brush Rifles and shit, damn twigs would unload and i go from 100% to like 40% in 3 shots.

[@josecarioca8785]

200 years seems like very little time for humans to "evolve" into glowing lizards that burrow underground. I think it's more likely that they are some kind of pre-war bioweapon like the deathclaws, wish it was explained more thoroughly in the game.

[@patrickmuhwheeney6518]

As always, great job! I am always pleased to see you in my notifications, thanks for the upload!

[@zerowolf0006]

Time to send the Dwarves to clean them out. ROCK AND STONE!!!

[@fruitshoot4095]

Did i hear a ROCK AND STONE!

[@kingofravens215]

@@fruitshoot4095 ROCK AND STOOOOOONE!

[@cosmiccosmonaut820]

FOR CARL

[@dinodude6992]

Diggy hole?

[@zerowolf0006]

@@dinodude6992 DeepRock Galactic

[@MJRSoap]

I have always doubted it was JUST radiation that produced the Tunnelers. Likely exposed to FEV, in conjunction with the low light conditions and irradiation resulted in the Tunnelers.

[@annainculta]

omg babe wake up Synonymous posted a new video!! no but fr I’m so happy to see you posting again! been checking my notifications daily for your new upload! amazing video as always, keep up the good work! ❣️

[@KnicksBasketball96]

Always a good day when you upload

[@GelatinousCube-jw8vg]

For me, it’s a much more interesting concept that these creatures already existed pre war and were completely unknown to the world. Then the divide opened up the earth and released them to the surface.

[@frenchamericanunion1982]

I would love to see a video on assaultrons. I very much enjoy the lore of fallout and your videos are incredible.

[@Henry_Varro]

These things creeped me out the most before I purchased fallout 4, and I saw how much more creepyer the creatures were in that one.

[@tobiashagstrom4168]

TBH, these creatures are kind of ridiculous. They're agile, strong, energetic, but somehow able to sustain large groups. They're tough. They have implausibly effective claws. Venom to boot. And all this derived in just a hundred year or two from human biology? Humans have good endurance, but we're slow and weak. We're squishy. And we're certainly not fast breeders. I'd say they suffer from "final DLC over-powered syndrome", which is when tiny creature in the last DLC of a game's life cycle are given unusually high stats to remain relevant to the current playerbase, who presumably want to play the DLC on their pre-established end-game high-level character. Like when the ash hoppers in Skyrim Dragonborn can kill a man in plate armor, or the mysteriously tough cave crickets at Nuka World.

[@Subject_Keter]

They make more sense then the Falmer. Heyo

[@ericauskewneut5598]

These things are an absolute nightmare to deal with on hardcore mode. Know what's worse though? Them being all across the Mojave in the dust mod where they one tap you. Ulysses was right, "Death will come from below"

[@DinosaurEmperor84]

I remember fighting the tunnellers but I never put two and two together about about light and sound so I just threw everything I had at them. Those bastards were tough.

[@ColtonSpace]

There is hidden valley, and that COULD be one more reason why the brotherhood is in shambles, especially if we're told that everything's pretty much fallen, and if it IS the case, and the tunnelers WERE making their way to New vegas, hidden valley would've been the perfect stop along the way for a new nest to form

[@curlyfry2047]

If their a such dominating species than I'm sure they've probably spread through out all California and have multiple nests Also I'm glad to see your doing more DLC related stuff

[@classarank7youtubeherokeyb63]

The strip would fall with the mojave. Energy isn't free, so those lights aren't staying on for long once there's no more traders and easy resources. Same goes for food and water. It might hold out for a time, but there's just no way for it to exist as an island.

[@riseabove504]

Everyone ready for them to come out in season 2

[@LegoLegend2017]

A great video to end a dangerous day. Keep up the great work!

[@kyleoakley7708]

I know Im late but the Tunneler's biggest weapon vs an army is their tunnels. Being able to dig extremely quickly, come up in the middle of the army, behind them, where ever. Ambush attacks are huge in battle. More important than that, if they manage to dig a series of tunnels beneath the entirety of vegas, and continue to do so, hollowing the earth beneath it, eventually gravity wins for them.

[@jamdowdy2754]

Just finished the Survivalist video and now I get this! Heck yeah!

[@gizzmohunter6906]

I played dust. I can say the tunnelers in that mod do infact thrive and dominate. Hell lake mead dries up which these things make their home

[@jesusdouglas4956]

Maybe secret spots or items in Lonesome Road. A great video

[@____________838]

While I love them being based off the eponymous Molemen of the movie, I just can’t help but feel that there wasn’t enough time, even 10 or so generations, to evolve in such a way, even with radiation and FEV being possibilities. Now, if the Mole-miners of 76 were put in this time period, between the canonical time period of FO3 and FO4, I wouldn’t have any issue at all.

[@theace8502]

"However, tunnelers will always return and in greater numbers." Egads, tunnelers are sand people!

[@CMDR_CLASSIFIED]

HaHa! Well done with the subtle Star Wars reference. Excellent work as always, Sir! o7

[@dedeyebrow8293]

Thanks for the new video

[@jacksonreichle4777]

These guys always freaked me out

[@Darkdemomax]

Imagine if they just dig under a city or town and just sink it

[@rev7710]

Welp, looks like they ended up getting to the Mojave

[@jeddy936]

Battle for hover damn part 3 with the legion on one side the NCR on the other and the tunnelers digging from with in.

[@FidoZip1988]

I love how the Tunnelers are all over the mojave in the mod Dust.

[@ViktoriousDead]

The tunnelers are based of a lovecraftian story called “far below” I highly encourage everyone to check out, there’s a KZbin channel called “horror babble” that does an excellent reading of it. Bethesda and in turn obsidian always include lovecraft element so their work, and there is ZERO doubt that’s where these creatures come from

[@fireblast133]

how could the strip be a safe place? It would longer than the rest. if the rest of the mojave is taken over it becomes too dangerous to traverse and get to the strip. Supplies dwindle, the magic fades, people don't stay, it eventually dies.

[@Subject_Keter]

Some people think flashlights could keep Tunnelers at bay and some people are even more oit there. But ya once it starts getting hard, it going to be a nightmare.

[@Subject_Keter]

Idk why but i seen some people bring up all the other creatures would unite to stop the Tunnelers, the Fire ants near Novac would stop all Tunneler progress, they need heavy radiation, "Floodlight go brrr" and just shoot them dead. I think this whole comment section got hit with spore plant bile and are mutating.. or did too much jet

[@issuespunkrock]

Favorite fallout KZbinr right here!

[@blackjacklover99]

An issue with the proposed origin of the Tunnelers. Is that radiation doesn't get very far underground. So it doesn't make much sense that there would be mutated creatures very deep. I prefer to think that they are naturally evolved creatures that had already existed before the great war. And just weren't ever discovered or able to come to the surface before the Hopeville nukes went off underground.

[@elic1356]

Can't even begin to tell you all the times I've been "jumpscared" by these guys. Turn an corner or try to sneak around something and boom.

[@ButtorsGaming]

Great job man.

[@egilsilfvenius6926]

Love when you upload!

[@spencernelson1580]

Ulysses basically: Your past is coming back to haunt you because you did something horrible in the past before the game even started.

[@Subject_Keter]

He blames you cuz you were the closest one to the spilled soda and SOMEONE is going to clean it up!

[@manz7860]

For a game that's applauded for "great writing" Courier 6 is one of the worst written protagonists I've played as. He's definitely the worst of the Fallout universe

[@qwefg3]

A threat for sure, but there are already tons of those lurking about. Before the courier does their final battle then I could see them as a major threat to a divided wasteland. Yet afterwards? NCR? Bad, but depending on level of support they could get hurt, but then rally and burn down (or blow up) their nests until they become a basic threat. House? Loud flashing bots with laser guns. Mostly Legion would have it worse. But if all factions were at play and the war was creeping up then it would be the unexpected player that may not win the war, but does a ton of damage to everyone else as their focus would be too much on one another than the tunnelling threat.

[@mr.blancov3297]

This creature has a lot a simility with the Morlock, from "The time machine" book. Both are ex human, fresh eater and lived in tunnels. And they are both a orde destinated too consume humanity if not stopped before.

[@rolandyamel6376]

Love this thank you for doing one I requested! ❤

[@Synonymous101]

You're welcome! 😁👍

[@tjshelton6602]

Another amazing video man

[@NoMorePlz]

Great lore video, enjoyed this

[@pronoblewolf]

I have needed a fallout lower video about the tunnels I know they used to save animations as drugs but they're so underrated in such great DLC

[@kingnilocfuntimes6699]

Your videos are amazing 👏

[@villings]

yay new video this notification got me out of bed, actually (gmt -3 here)

[@jackashmore]

Ok just watched the video on the slags, but what if (and I know it’s a big if) the slags had a splinter group and they became the tunnelers.

[@tootallforyou112]

We'd only have to be careful at night, and I believe we could make countermeasures for them

[@Ray-yv7kn]

I just finished Lonesome Road yesterday and this shows up in recommended.

[@AllNineLivez]

Apparently Ulysses saw some tear apart a Deathclaw. Okay buddy.

[@DoesRocksFloat]

“At the ncr’s request”? Mr House was the made the delivery requests yeah? He made decoy deliver requests but it was the player who got the chip and indirectly made the divide.

[@jonathanhathaway54]

It's a good video but I think they're are some misinterpretations happening here Vegas would not be safe just because it is bright and loud, remember these things keep charging through gunshots so not just any loud noise will scare them, nor just any light (they don't turn tail at your pipboy light do they?) It's only extreme cases of each of those, like the instantly deafening flashbang going off suddenly or the appearance of a new sun in the form of a flaregun, or being covered in bright light that burns like a flamethrower and not to mention these are also assuming that the people being attacked are ready for the attack, hard to pull out a specific defense quickly when something bursts from the floor and is mauling you in your kitchen Also the death claws and marked men survive through 1: only a few tunnelers are at the surface yet, not the full horde 2: they both have experience and are really strong (mega lizards and soldiers who literally heal from all the rads and have been fighting non stop for decades) so while they can't beat them, they can keep somewhat of a boundary at this point, just because you can crush a single bee doesn't mean you stuff your head in the nest right? And 3 they also seem to use terrain to their advantage when they can, remember that both of them make homes in the overpasses or the marked men living around undetonated nukes to heal from the rads, while it's mostly to survive the storm if they're inside it would also make dying to a tunneler much more unlikely Also it's unlikely they have a singular queen due to they're spread population as life would probably center on protecting the nearest queen and we see some of them a far way Finally this one is just a small theory but if they are descendants of hopeville then maybe the fear of bright lights and big sounds is from the thing that made them this way, the nukes.

[@Subject_Keter]

^ 100% this but the weirdos are too addicted to them being a nonthreat.

[@jonathanhathaway54]

@@Subject_Keter To be fair it's not their implementation helps, with them being unarmored despite the scaled skin it means they aren't near a full threat which is a huge oversight I mean radscorpions and death claws while weaker are much bigger threats since they can close distance without dying a moment later, that and how easily they can be avoided unlock the also unarmored cazadores. While strong they didn't give them a sure closer apart from ambushes since they can be felled very quick so they make almost no impact

[@Subject_Keter]

@@jonathanhathaway54 Derp, I mean in more like someone said "Lmao Fireants would stop them!" Kinda of nonthreat... Fire Ants near Novac... Imo their main threat is as a Mass, a Horde but people for some reason think it would be like Fire Geckos that run at you to sear and chomp.

[@jonathanhathaway54]

@@Subject_Keter The fire geckos can barely stop powder gangers, I doubt they'd last forever since Tunnelers are ambush predators and just one smack ends em... Not to mention yeah just having 20 of them will also help

[@SkyFly19853]

And I was wondering about your next video yesterday...

[@dreamingflurry2729]

Well, in a world with Rad-Scorpions, Deathclaws, Night Stalkers etc. they are just one more threat and frankly lasers will probably work well on them (they are bright, so blinding them and their skin is probably not very resistant to a laser), as will plasma weapons etc. :)

[@kaidorade1317]

The Tunnelers as they dig their holes: “I’m going deeper underground; there’s too many people in this town”! Singing.

[@about10ninjas]

Tunneler Sprint is one of my favorite perks.

[@neethsuesvoldar3265]

Truly the fallout series all of them have gifted us some of the most interesting creatures with very little to go on in the of an origin other than probably being mutation of a human or animal that was exposed to F.E.V and/or massive amounts of various types of radiation coupled with it's environments which is fine honestly I think that the massive mystery behind alot of fallouts lore has kept people constantly trying to see if there's something that got missed or coming up with fan lore that ends up being put into the official lore itself. I don't care about fallouts bugs and oversights all games have something unfitting about them that the truest fans typically ignore unless it's a major issue fallout has been part of my life for over a decade now I feel obligated to Interplay,Black isle, Bethesda and obsidian for the years of fun and interesting lore and to the modders pushing the story and games even further than the devs thought possible

[@doritogod7460]

finally dropped the video

[@thatchil]

Man I want fallout new Vegas 2 where all of this stuff happens that they say is going to happen imagine how scary that would be.

[@reubenthompson9397]

These things have always freaked me out, I get to the divide, stacked, armed to the teeth, slaughtering death claws, but these things, god they scare me

[@KotalBrew]

Your videos are always great to watch. Have you ever considered doing content for another franchise?

[@Synonymous101]

Elder Scrolls and Starfield are both on my radar

[@dangerousleeabrams6737]

They are the deep ones from below hackdirt

[@epicfox567]

Love your show bro! Keep it up

[@archieliam717]

Ayyy another vid from my fav yter!!!!

[@samuelfawell9159]

Thing is, why would the Tunnellers go to the Mojave? They had 200 years and they didn’t do it, not to mention the Tunnellers use rock and stone to dig, the Mohave is sand, and if you’ve ever tried to dig in sand, it’s very difficult.

[@Subject_Keter]

It thought of they were only recently released when the Courier amazon job blew up in smoke, barely any time scale wise and all it takes is time for them to accidently dig their way. Nightstalkers and Cazadors got from Big MT

[@samuelfawell9159]

@@Subject_Keter but they where still there, and they didn’t leave it was only the nukes destroying the divide that made them come to the surface, but they could have come the surface at any time, 200 years and they didn’t expand outside of the divide

[@Subject_Keter]

@@samuelfawell9159 I dont see how that hurts my point? Just because they didnt do something doesnt mean they would never start to explore. If anything them being drawn to the surface increases the chance of them exploring as there new food sources, new places to set up and new land. Just because you dont like it doesnt mean it cant happen. Not the exact message but you get what i mean.

[@Gilbals]

I could've swore there was a line in Lonesome Road somewhere that implied they had been there far longer than the war. Like they were pre-war, awakened by the end of the world, and forced to the surface after the events at the Divide.

[@Synonymous101]

Ulysses suggest that they could have already been there before the war and radiation changed them, but also something along the lines of the people had to have gone somewhere, so it's anyone's guess where they came from 🤔

[@dinodude6992]

@@Synonymous101 I mean they could've ate the fleeing people who came across them in their caves when the bombs fell, only resulting in the people getting eaten