Synplant 2: The Future of Synthesizers - Introducing GenoPatch

Synplant 2 just came out yesterday. Genopatch is really useful and to give it a try, just head over to the website and download trial: bit.ly/46zRcXd
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[@sneed777]

I wish no one else knew about this except me

[@0e0]

LOL!

[@jeffreyhanc1711]

Knew what…?

[@MrSonicAlchemy]

I say this about every awesome new synth or effect. "Why can't this just be my little secret?"

[@MrOuija-rr8kq]

lol why? Just enjoy it. It’s like saying only you knew about paint

[@TachyBunker]

In the end, to normal listeners it'll just be like your regular synthesizer, don't forget that :D

[@RikMaxSpeed]

Why you’ve not seen this before: 1- Other people HAVE implemented automatic patch generation many years ago, typically genetic algorithms, for example for the OP-1, incredibly slow. 2- It’s a very difficult problem! 3- The developer here, as interviewed in Cuckoo’s video, has put a huge amount of work in making this work and work quickly! Overall it’s an amazing achievement!

[@TheDaniman888]

I'm shocked to learn Synplant is only a 2 Osc FM synth - amazing capabilities for such a simple architecture. Makes me think differently about synthesis and synthesizer design...

[@pennywise5095]

Yeah it made me realise i havent utilized my synthesizers at all i was thinking to buy this more as a learning tool then generator

[@lartisan6274]

for learn the best is Syntorial, its make ur brain work. here its just copy-past,

[@Strepite]

FM is absolutely amazing for creating all sort of stuff but always made too complex for mortals starting with dreaded DX7...

[@mistik2595]

sonic charge and sugarbytes its my favorite plugin developer, they both amazing for making powerful unique plugins

[@billB101]

Very nice for those interesting techno noises for sure. Throw in a bass sound with a reverb tail and you can get some really interesting almost modular variations here.

[@LeeGee]

You are running the future of synthesis in trial mode?! I hope you buy it!

[@lightconstruct]

150$ ...

[@AdamFiregate]

The price is pretty normal. Xfer Serum is 189 USD.@@lightconstruct

[@Strepite]

@@lightconstruct Based on how groundbreaking and revolutionary this is, it's worth the price...

[@namegoeshere2805]

Such an incredibly imaginative synth concept.

[@raffaelesantabarbara1449]

Really cool, but why did they make it look like a washing machine?

[@smashedintopieces000]

Really love synplant 1. this new one looks really neat

[@chris.dillon]

5:20 - 100% agree. Is an assistant. Spellcheck, copilot. No need to sci-fi freak out.

[@Strepite]

Finally an "AI powered" product that's not just a stupid gimmick, this is revolutionary stuff. I just wish the patch editing layout was more traditional but nevertheless... Imagine if you could sequence all the results Genopatch gives you... you could get some pretty weird rythmic stuff going on, and based how immediate the patch change when you click on dots, it could easily be done without any lag...

[@marcus_ohreallyus]

I see a lot of people making cool sounds with synplant, but can it actually make music? Please forgive my ignorance. I'm interested in this as a music creation novice, but wondering if it's over my head

[@PolarityMusic]

made some music with it in this video :) kzbin.info/www/bejne/oqu5lIWtm5aZnJo

[@UnchartedWorlds]

looking forward to next video with syntplant 2 where you really explore it and show us what we can do with it, I'm interested my self in creating sci-fi cinematic atmosphere music

[@tekm]

Imagine throwing a sample into Grid and similar sounding patch would appear.

[@PolarityMusic]

yea, it doesnt even need to be perfekt. just to put you in the near range of the source material :)

[@SoundtempleMusic]

Magnus said in an interview with Cuckoo the process to create all the machine learning is incredibly time consuming and laborious. So, it will be interesting to see how long it takes for “copiers” to release similar. I think Magnus and all the Sonic Charge products are wonderful, unique, inspiring and fun to use. Despite the fact that if I have a sample, I could just drag it to a sampler and play it chromatically and achieve a similar result, I’m looking forward to upgrading Synplant1 to have some fun with this. I think it will be a great way to learn more about synthesis and how sounds can be made too. Instant buy for me!

[@jetjaguar3000]

Yeah I think the DNA functionality and playing with the branches are the things that make it compelling as an idea. Emulation is definitely impressive, but if it sounds really true to the original yeah you could just use a sample... Using that seed as a quick way to then get somewhere unexpected is the appeal for me.

[@dizzler-beats]

It wont take long at all for any "copiers" to release sth like this. Thats because Magnus said he only used 2-3 GPUs for training. If you use more it will be way faster.

[@allyouracid]

Man just imagine Elektron built this as a desktop extension for the Digitone, allowing to save the patches back into the device. Should be possible easily. @Elektron considering buying a startup, recently? :D

[@dalton34gr]

I hope they’ll bring this to iOS

[@egorkharitonov9663]

Thank you so much for this overview! The concept is extremely fascinating

[@buckycore]

Ha! You were litterally the first person i thought of when i was checking this out last night. What is that cool looking media browser you were using to load up that sample? Or are you on Unix?

[@pbrninja19]

It is apparently "Sononym".

[@michaellynch8709]

3 weeks for free yo, its sooo fucking easy; every genre. bounce and restart baby, bounce and restart

[@BelAnuRa]

Good Tool for creating sounds but in Genopatch it turns stereo files into Mono files and you loose all the difference of left and right in a sound ! that should be integrated, then we are talking !

[@bbrother92]

WHat daw do you use?

[@PolarityMusic]

Bitwig

[@Music-tg5is]

You brought up a really good point. This same kind of machine learning, needs to be integrated into the DAWs themselves, with access to each synthesizer. I'd love to have a similar kind of function to genopatch for other plugins.

[@lartisan6274]

yeah and next a prompt for make music with " one button " , u push and its done. Like that my cat will have the same level of any bedroom producer

[@Strepite]

I'm pretty sure we'll see that in a year or two... You choose which synth you want and voila...

[@Strepite]

@@lartisan6274 I don't think the music will suffer because of this at all, actually on the contrary, it will be much easier to achieve some absolutely crazy shit

[@sebbosebbo9794]

uhhh. 😮...amazing developer...

[@jetjaguar3000]

I put different Curves modulations on the different branches for a patch while playing a melody and it was pretty nice!

[@avefuqua]

It‘s hard to think outside the box 📦.

[@IngoGarza]

Wow it's finally here! I loved the original.

[@cmd_f5]

It's a super coool way to implement AI, then reflect that in a FM synth. I love interesting synths. The fun thing is trying to have Synplant recreate things where it can't get very accurate. The textures and crazy sounds are what make this so interesting. If I had a proper setup for playing and making realtime changes, I'd record a few hours of tweaking with this thing. Nice demo \M/

[@Strepite]

Exactly, it's the weird stuff that it gives you that's not exactly too similar to sample that are best for me too

[@engx3733]

reminds me of utonic

[@timschannel247]

Oh Yea, let´s Go!

[@veritas7010]

Agree with ML take

[@jean-baptiste9230]

Holy macaroni!

[@rallzam]

sounds cool

[@VernConnor-z3i]

Soni

[@gouhlgambit6296]

Can someone out there please put some sort of complex waveform though this thing ?!! All I have seen is percussion hits , what does speech sound like ?

[@PolarityMusic]

it works best with plucky sounds. longer sounds work too and the harmonics and envelopes are matched but it can widely diverge from the source. which can be interesting too.

[@dizzler-beats]

it isnt able to reproduce more complicated sounds (real instruments for example). Its best for synth patches that synplant 1 was also capable of.

[@ywenp]

You don't need every soft synth to implement that. Given mostly all VSTs expose their parameters to the host, one could build a host plugin that takes a sample and an arbitrary VST, and then tweaks the plugin's parameters until the output fits some given sample. Of course here it's made easier by the fact the internal engine does not have that many parameters, being just a 2-osc FM synth.

[@silspok]

Did you actually tried this synth or just writing something?

[@micromando4669]

That’s a neat idea bro! I hope some developers read it

[@okoiful]

Or wait for the black friday offer. XD

[@silspok]

Sonic charge policy is to ignore Black friday. Instead they donate part of their revenue to selected charity.

[@SongOfItself]

But, but, but, if you already have the sample, why recreate the sound? :-) Also, at 1:05 all the variants sound exactly the same as you click them one by one (on my monitors, anyway, I'll try later with headphones). So it pretends to be growing sound like a plant, and edit the sound by manipulating its dna, but is it more than a sham? I'm asking in earnest. In the end you still have to have to have all the same oscillators, filters, modulations, envelopes etc, all they did is hide them under some cool graphics. This pretend-DNA thing really seems like smoke and mirrors to me. But then, I really don't want to spend $150 on this, :-) (It's actually a bit of a trend, I think. Some plugin makers will give weird names to parameters, making it seem like they've discovered entire new planes on which to manipulate sound, but so far it's been just a fancy new name for a low-pass filter or shimmer reverb, every time. So I'm sort of cynical in that way, and I could be wrong)

[@PolarityMusic]

a synth is always cleaner. also, if you have the synth patch, you can modify it in tiny amounts. this is a great way of creating multiple similar sounds, from one single source. the variants sound very similar, because its the end of the learning process. lower dots represents the first tries of the engine to replicate the sound. the upper dots are closer to the source. yea i agree with the trend, but here the concept is to make people explore sounds instead of tweaking knobs. and this plugin is literally 13y old.

[@ShaunMcTague]

The developer who made this is pretty incredible. It's not pretending to grow sound like a plant, that is just the unique ui design they've gone for. The ui excels at taking a sound you like and quickly demoing many many variations of that without having to adjust every single parameter yourself (you still can tweak everything if you want). Imagine you have a sound and you want say 12 unique variations. Most synths you'd have to save multiple patches and a/b them in a very cumbersome way. This can literally do it in seconds. Then you have the ai re-synthesis, which a lot of people like to hate because it's a big buzz word atm, but this is the real deal. I can chuck in a synth sample and it will recreate it then show me exactly how it came to that conclusion. Even just as an educational tool it is incredible. I've personally already learnt a lot about using reverb as a sound design tool in the single day I've had to play round with it

[@SongOfItself]

@@ShaunMcTague Thank you, Shaun and Polarity, this is good to know. I knew the plugin was not new, since I saw it years ago, but didn’t know it had a history that by current standards is almost venerable 😊 I stand corrected. But I do have a side note. I don’t „hate” AI, that would be like hating wrenches or pencils 😊 But I distrust the hype, and I believe it is misplaced. We are at a time when everyone can slap the „AI” label on a product, but we don’t have anything yet that is both artificial and actually intelligent. Smart, in the sense of „smart devices”, yes, but not intelligent in the sense we apply to living things with organic neural systems. People, dogs, or bats. Ask ChatGPT what time it is, and it will look up what millions of people in the past have said in reply to your question, but it doesn’t understand the question and it won’t know to check the time for you. Markov chains have been known for more than a century, they’re not even new, and certainly not “intelligent”. Which is not to say that you can’t find useful applications for them in conjunction with huge amounts of data. Such uses obviously exist. So yeah, I totally distrust what’s being called AI, as it currently stands, because I believe the word “intelligence” when referring to things like ChatGPT or Midjourney is a misrepresentation meant to generate hype and inflate the bubble. (And I've seen my share of artificially inflated bubbles.) There is nothing intelligent there. I hope we don’t come to redefine “intelligence” to mean what we are being asked to believe it means. And, as far as we know today, AI is the domain of billion-dollar corporations with petabytes of data storage required for such projects. I am unsure how that squares with a $150 plugin. At best, it would be a narrow selection from a large pool of AI-generated paths, wouldn’t it? (And, sure, this could still work, but having a thousands of premade sentences is not the same as having a brain that understands language and can generate new sentences as needed.) Of course, many vendors have already called their plugins „AI-based”, but to my knowledge not one of them has actually presented a basis for their claims or convincingly explained what „AI-based” means in their particular case.

[@lucienmontandon8003]

7:35 can you cycle trough the generated patches with a bitwig modulator or do you have to select one patch to start playing?

[@PolarityMusic]

no, you can only select one patch

[@Strepite]

@@PolarityMusic hope you could cycle through in some future update because you could get some crazy sequences that way

[@gabrielwildman]

I wonder what this would do to impulses like for convolutions reverbs. Might pick this up

[@PolarityMusic]

good idea :D

[@Strepite]

and? :)

[@gabrielwildman]

@@Strepite I never did end up trying the plugin. Maybe I will now that you remind me

[@thala_723]

synplant 1 war schon toll, aber das jetzt

[@PolarityMusic]

Absolut!

[@dizzler-beats]

I hope we get this in sth like Serum 2...Because Serum is way more capable than synplant in any way. So the accuracy for sounds would be so much higher, especially with all the effects and modulation possibilites in Serum... But then training the AI would probably take hundreds of years in Serum because there are too many possibilites,haha 😂😂

[@djplatinium100]

Concept is fine, but at some point you have to be honest with your self ,when using the AI tools to create an art that is supposedly yours. Such a tools should not be used as an substitute for been lazy and wanting to push out something amazing and fast ,but not created by you yourself rather cocreated for the sake of being convenient and fast.

[@joebrewer4529]

No rules

[@ndf3]

Seeing how it uses a simple synth voice to approximate samples is pretty interesting. You can get some very uncanny results from giving it impossible tasks. But if it manages to create a good facsimile of the sound, you now have a sample you can mutilate on a granular level. I hope we gravitate more towards things like this over opaque content generators that offer zero experimentation or creativity and are designed from the top down to exploit instead of creating actual value

[@inbredfam]

You dont even move your hands, you commission your muscles to do it for you

[@Strepite]

People have been writing tunes with samples for last 30+ years. Start with EMU, Ensoniq, MPC samplers etc. So yeah, you're a bit late to whine about it.

[@mudi2000a]

While this UI is really cool resynthesis from a sample is not new. The Synclavier could do it in the 1980s and so can the Synclavier V as well. And maybe also the CMI V (not sure about that). So if you have this you should check this out. Of course it is not so playful but still gives interesting results.

[@PolarityMusic]

yes, but it´s additive synthesis

[@mudi2000a]

@@PolarityMusic yes you have a point there. But each partial is (or can be) a 2 op FM 😊

[@issiewizzie]

I have the synclavier V and Logic's alchemy, which is more capable. I guess this is a different take on resynthesis and much more polished @@mudi2000a

[@DubCadet]

I've been playing with this since it was released (instant upgrade) - it's the most fun I've had with my clothes on for a long time... :) I'd recommend learning some of the keyboard shortcuts for the Bulb area, it will save a lot of menu digging for randomise, resetting or cloning branches, etc... Also, when randomising from scratch (ctrl-click on main seed), setting the Atonality first will affect the... tonality... of the first generation quite a bit. As mentioned in the video, it hits the CPU hard when Genopatch is running, but it does produce great results, whether they are very close to the original, or freaky circuit-bent weird :-) The DNA editor is as weird as it has always been, the envelopes and modulation do not work like 'normal' synths, and it takes quite a bit of getting used to. On the plus side, all parameters can be automated, so us Bitwig users can go mental with modulators :-)

[@TachyBunker]

You'll get much more fun using it while naked@

[@dieterkalt4281]

pricey for these times

[@AdamFiregate]

Xfer Serum is 189 USD to compare to.

[@dizzler-beats]

@@AdamFiregate and serum is still way more capable synth wise than synplant 2

[@stackoverflow1985]

The GUI is something silly and, to be honest, ugly....but the engine inside is complex and very powerful ! In the past I programmed something similiar with Reaktor (I always used it and it is the TOP in terms of freedom of creation...it has a deeper sub-language too, the "Core Cell"), ensembles with few knobs (that I call "twisters") that co-work together with tons of parameters of different kinds of synthesis; so if I move a single "twister" I obtain the strangest modulated sounds you can imagine. I absolutely have to create a new synthesizer in Reaktor based on this philosophy, I do hitech music (now I'm more focused on semi-generative modular patches for my synth parts) and "the twisters" can really give you unique perfect mechanic or organic sounds. Creating a synth that combines different kinds of synthesis together ...and every knob is a variable for an expression (you create by yourself your own laws and algorythms), that will be blend with other algorythms based on othe variables... it will give you the strangest, unique and cinematic results!!!!

[@tedandersen5403]

sounds cool, but you better show your results and not just scratch your tongue

[@MrOuija-rr8kq]

It’s funny that it’s Version 2 because the UI looks so not good.

[@ancientbohemian]

its bullshit but i believe it 👍

[@silspok]

Where is the bullshit?

[@stephenroldan5107]

😂 No thanks.

[@shitmandood]

Looks expensive! Great. It’s from a company that never has a sale either. 😅 Good news is I haven’t bought any VSTs this year, so I can probably budget at least this one.

[@AdamFiregate]

The price is pretty normal. Xfer Serum is 189 USD.

[@marcusagain]

@@AdamFiregate only plugin ive ever bought was synplant and omnisphere... its def worth it to pay this guy. Synplant is amazing and so creative