Systems Biology and Intelligent Design

[@akhiltabraham6717]

As science advances, the case for designer also strengthens. Great talk👏

[@dagwould]

I'm glad that systems are getting attention at last. While Behe, etc are very right in the conceptualization of 'irreducible complexity', the greater complexity in organisms, particularly larger ones, is that all their functions operate by the orchestration of multiple interacting systems that have efficient interfaces, effective input/output protocols and clear boundaries. The systems are usually non-deterministic. For instance visual systems don't just comprise the eyes. The eye-brain system and the brain's interpretive and integrative neurology is essential, along with the autonomic feedback systems that allow eye movement while giving stable images, and coordinating bodily motion with image making. The general physiology of eye, circulation system, musculoskeletal system, skin and endocrine systems along with proprioception are all independent of vision, but essential for its operation and benefit for the organism. Thus Dawkins make-believe story of the evolution of vision starting with a 'light-sensitive patch of skin' is puerile. It is in the Darwin tradition of 'mid-Victorian gross morphology fantasy'. Light sensitive skin would be useless without the neural connection to a processing centre that interpreted it and then integrated that found information with the various response systems the organism had for, say movement, searching for food and interpretation of threats. If all these systems didn't 'randomly evolve' with sufficient coordination to give a reproductive advantage, they would not be 'noticed' by evolution, and the possibly disadvantaged system would suffer the environmental culling that Darwin fancifully and tendentiously, if not mendaciously, called 'natural selection'.

[@jasonwarren9279]

The most amusing aspect of academia is the fact that its experts defend their expertise today by explaining how they discovered that they were wrong yesterday. It's like the old joke, "I've only been wrong once in my life. I had thought I was wrong, but it turns out I was mistaken." Science confuses identifying errors with discovering answers.

[@mimelnaggar]

Great lecture. When you see a Rolls Royce car you admire its inventor / designer / manufacturer. You never think that it built itself by chance .when you see human body which is far more fascinating and complex than a Rolls Royce car why one does not immediately wonder about the creator of such a beautifully designed and extremely well engineered system. Our God is great. Glory to the creator.

[@timstanley8201]

This engineering approach is excellent. There was a criticism given (in one of discovery science's long story shorts) against the whale evolution claim and it compared the changing of the supposed ancestor of the whale into the whale as alike to changing a VW beetle into a submarine. The evolutionary explanation lacks actual explanation of what would need to happen to change the one into the other.

[@rubiks6]

Great lecture, Emily. A lot of ideas touched my mind. I'm just a layman. I will have to watch this several times to formulate your ideas into my own words (embrace them). The starting point for me will be a "top-down" perspective on biological systems. Keep doing what you do, Emily! Blessings to you.

[@AspenVonFluffer]

Such an uplifting lecture. Emily, you give me hope that we will break free from the mental cage that our current educational system has us in..

[@andypresby6537]

“He who breaks a thing to find out what it is has left the path of wisdom.” Gandalf. Even as a physics major (kings of reductionism) I always felt drawn to that quote.

[@numericalcode]

It would be a great development if more students went on to study systems biology.

[@davidthurman8220]

I would have liked her to explain the concepts hierarchical integration, signaling networks and Emergent Properties more at the beginning and given more examples with detail. Otherwise a good intro to the topic.

[@milliern]

Is there a paper or recording on Emily’s recent “Blood Sugar Regulation” in systems biology?

[@geobla6600]

It's always astonishing to me when you have something that obviously requires foresight which requires trillions upon trillions upon trillions of specific steps between individual cells and whole systems like the circulatory , nervous or skeletal systems to somehow communicate and develop in conjunction with each together and that their are scientists which continue to deny the evidence and give credit to inanimate material starting it all.

[@milliern]

Is there going to be a scholarly article published detailing the argument to share with others, perhaps in a science or philosophy journal?

[@MichaelHarrisIreland]

It's "how we see" is more amazing that all of the amazing things we see. ....from Ireland.

[@ThePultzFamily]

Absolutely brilliant lecture! This information presented here moves ID a huge step forward.

[@therick363]

How so? All I see are natural causes and effects

[@sergiimelnikov9374]

Don’t be scared of your voice… as your voice articulates reasonable things!

[@RelentlessHomesteading]

Great talk 🎯🎯🎯-- wonderful to hear that this type of thinking is starting to come to the forefront. == Reductionism -- seems to come from a mindset that EVERYTHING in nature is very simple. I remember in grade school (this will date me) how they taught cells were just blobs of protoplasm with an outer membrane. Even as a child one can see how absurd that is - function always requires structure at some level. A remote control isn't made by carving out a block of wood into the proper shape. Its always annoyed me that the mindset of many scientists seems the same reductionist approach today. I was a systems engineer for over a couple decades and then doing patents for large companies for more than the last couple decades. == In patents - we are often arguing patentability on the basis of "interoperability". The patent examiners argue based on a reductionist approach. All electronics for instance is based on resistors, capacitors, inductors, transistors, etc. -- but the INVENTION is really about HOW they are put together in novel ways using new operating principles. The invention also requires PURPOSE (foresight) -- & biological systems appear clearly designed for specific objects according to a set of operating principles. == Appreciate you bringing up "interdisciplinary conversations" -- when I started my engineering career microcontroller technology was quite new -- but there were HW engineers and SW engineers - and there was this distinct dividing line, usually they were even in different departments. Thankfully I was both HW/SW and designed system architectures and ran project teams -- and time after time I found that this division between HW/SW led to poor system designs and lack of proper optimization. I was a troubleshooter at these companies as well - and found that much of the issues that arose in these various other project groups often came about at this HW/SW interface. == Although growing up in an atheist household, it was the science that sent me looking for this "Designer". And that 1st Effect ("Big Bang" - creation event) is awfully hard to get around (LOL) - because the "Cause", by definition is supernatural as it is outside of our dimensions of space & time. Thankfully, I found Him and He was there helping me all along the way. Christianity and its Bible were pretty much the last place I looked -- as it turned out it was the very poor interpretations (many from the dark ages) which were the issue -- but when comparing scripture with scripture as one would do with a set of specifications - it really all comes together and harmonizes with the record of nature, logic, purpose, and the exquisite design and fine tuning as we see it. Even the issues with "If God is Love, then why ___" are explained in the freedom of choice arena, the cosmic conflict behind the whole milieu & the constraints associated with the character of God (e.g., won't lie, force or coerce to gain our affection) and his purposes for this whole 'overture' that we call life on Earth. Example: God will only show Himself to the extent to which our faith has grown - otherwise He would be violating our free will. He also only shows us NEW truths when we are following the truths He has already given us (otherwise we are subject to greater condemnation in the judgment to come). I'm so thankful as He has answered all my questions and I am awstruck by His Love and care for us. I've really enjoyed the technology enterprise -- but in the end ALL that really matters is the decision and trajectory of our lives. This life is a "shake-down" cruise for an eternal journey of discovery. Since 'heaven' is a perfect place of love, while retaining free will; God cannot allow those that would continue destructive pathways (sin) to enter. Lip service Christianity is vain & hopeless. But if we seek Him and His righteousness - He will help us to overcome these proclivities - and thus heaven is a prepared place for prepared people. The decision is about Who we will follow -Self and selfishness, or God and His rules of love. Praise Jesus. === Thankyou for the talk -- well done. RH

[@anahijohnpele3574]

Thank you for this insight. I am blessed by it. God bless you

[@msvvero]

Outstanding!

[@startraveler3157]

Absolutely amazing!

[@beyond_the_infinite2098]

Science merely peeks into the mind of God.

[@newcreationinchrist1423]

Amen 🙂🙏 thank you for these and God bless

[@science.]

Goodjob

[@fyrerayne8882]

House of cards

[@SomeChristianGuy.]

Im am engineer. Its always been painfully apparent to me that biologists etc al.. have never tried to actually build anything.

[@ronaldmorgan7632]

Microbiologists try all the time. She explained that the reason they are looking at engineering is to see if that applies to functions of the cell and the parts of the body.

[@billycale948]

Loved the presentation! I am a fussy old so and so and get hung up on grammar and presentation, but looked beyond it to the fantastic understanding of the presenter. What I gather from the presentation and wholly accept is intelligent design. It counters with that argument in that a Boeing 747 did not just assemble itself through eons of years by chance. The biological systems are infinitely more complex than assembling a Boeing 747! We as humans are given the "remote" for intervening and understanding the world we have been "given" by an overall designer. Our supreme being gave us humans (the special creation of God's) the remote to manipulate and understand an ultimately understandable and empirically discoverable complex system that was designed by a designer. That's where we humans come in. As a physician (retired) we can ultimately understand where systems go wrong. This is what Newton and other scientists of faith knew. We have a universe that is understandable and with our remotes (brains) we can gradually come to understand it (that world of ours). That is ultimate design empiricism. We can come to know what went wrong, which we at Christians have an explanation for and we are given the God-given understanding to fix it in an ongoing discovery process. The exception of "errors," something that went wrong in the design, proves the rule. We are given the God-given imperative to fix it! WFC, MD

[@KenM77577]

Outstanding lecture! Thank you.

[@nathanlewis4483]

As a systems biologist, I am in constant awe of God's creations, and the complex, yet elegant molecular wiring of each cell. Also, I note that in design, evolution is also a powerful tool, as engineers improve upon and build new features as new needs arise. We should be more accepting of the whole set of tools that God uses.

[@macmac1022]

Got any empirical evidence yet? As well, how is your knowledge of endogenous retroviruses, whole gnome alignments, shared protein coding genes, share chromosomal inversions, chromosome fusion events, long terminal repeat divergence, broken gene comparisons? What do you say against the empirical evidence of say endogenous retroviruses showing we share a common ancestor with chimps, and helps us map out the evolutionary tree with a decent amount of precision? If you do not know, here is a 12 minute video that you as a biologist should easily understand. kzbin.info/www/bejne/pYnJdXlretxmfcU

[@dcscccc]

think about a car that can reproduce like a living thing. do you think it can evolve naturally into an airplane by small functional steps?

[@jessebryant9233]

Just 16k views in over 2 months? Is that failure to get the world out or just evidence of how infrequently evolutionists ever think outside their own box?

[@Laoshi144]

Allahumma solli a'la Sayyidina Muhammadd

[@boriskaragiannis.7735]

do you know about Garry Mullis views and opinions on this? search his name and add "resent" to your search and watch the most banned video atm

[@macmac1022]

Got any empirical evidence yet?

[@brandonwadge6073]

Cope harder

[@truthbebold4009]

Yes! Big boom to butterflies, buttercups and bunny rabbits is undeniable empirical evidence for a mindless, purposeless and unguided -Creation- existence

[@thomaswayneward]

Just apply you sentence to Darwinian evolution. What is your answer?

[@solideogloria5553]

i have no issue with a reductionistic approach to biology as a science pursuit. we are afterall human and stupid compare to the infinite wisdom of God. systems biology seems like a proper upgrade in the study of God's amazing creations as long as we don't becomes conceited again to use our "knowledge/wisdom" of our finite understanding in our approach to health.

[@roberttormey4312]

Could have skipped the whole tv remote metaphor and saved a lot of time. Just get to the point please.

[@rodneyplewright7685]

Before asking anyone with an annoying voice to speak, get them a voice coach ("croak, croak, croak")

[@atmanbrahman1872]

Jesus is God.

[@fourfirefoxes]

+use case

[@mahsuktaylan9142]

👏

[@dorfmanjones]

At least she didn't mention a designer. Or is 'nature' supposed to be a person who made us in his image?

[@Mighty_Deeds]

The Quran speaks of Allah's signs in all his creation. Thanks to the believing Scientists for articulating these miracles of design. It's sad it had come to this in the battle of belief vs disbelief, however the truth will always prevail. May Allah reward you for speaking the truth despite the incentives not to.

[@weirdwilliam8500]

These things were not predicted by intelligent design, nor are these findings unexpected under naturalism. And seriously, if biology had been shown to be simple, apologists would have emphasized that the hallmark of artificial design is elegant simplicity. Anything to support the preselected conclusion. Post hoc rationalization is not reasonable, not truth indicative, and not science. You need evidence, not arguments.

[@robertcallow7325]

If those who believe they have discovered evidence of something and ignore the primary cause of why people are naturally prone to lie and deceive when there is enough for everyone, and not only deceive others but themselves also whenever it suits them, then why should we trust their word or accept their conclusions? And if we ignore that cause, as well as the cure for lying and deceiving and believing in lies then why should we trust ourselves? On the other hand, if those who give us evidence of something and are continually being made aware of the primary cause and the cure for lying and deceiving, believing in lies and living by lies then why should we ignore their word or dismiss their conclusions? And if we are continually being made aware of that cause and the cure for lying and deceiving and living by lies then why should we not trust ourselves? And remember, whoever keeps refusing to see and acknowledge the primary cause of man’s deceiving and deluded state will never be ready to accept the cure; and right now the human race is so obviously deluded it can no more put a stop to its insane rapid destruction of the environment in which it needs to exist than it can stop the mass killings through wars and terrorism. What this all means of course is that the truth is all there is to release us from our inherited deluded state and keep us sane as we slide ever closer to the slavery of the emerging New World Order and the terrors of the final conflict that will inevitably follow. Believe then the conclusions of the atheists/evolutionists who call themselves scientists and cannot help but ignore the only cure for their deluded state if you must, and continue following the blind as they lead the blind back into slavery and depravity and the chaos and terror that can be clearly seen waiting to engulf the world.

[@ronaldmorgan7632]

She's talking about using existing engineering techniques to recognize/do design.

[@thomaswayneward]

You are speaking of Darwinian Evolution, right?

[@samuellane4437]

Recently, physicists created matter from nothing (well, within a magnetic field) would you take this as evidence that God need not be evoked to explain the origins of the universe?

[@bartenderextraordina]

Physicists OBSERVED matter in a magnetic field. Very interesting experiments with this if this is in regards to what I am thinking about where scientists were hypthesizing about the matter only showing itself while the scientist observed but quarks and such were not popping in and out of the field when they weren't observing. You may be talking about another experiment though that I am not familiar with. However, the definition of "nothing" is not "A magnetic field". It is the absence of anything. Absolute nothingness is outside of any scientific experimentation. We cannot observe "nothing" since there wouldn't be anything to observe.

[@eswn1816]

Hype Worse "hype" appears in OoL ("origin of life") experiments in order to question the need for God. It's all propaganda... don't let it fool you...

[@georgebond7777]

Can you list the title of that paper please. How do you generate a magnetic field? Or where did this magnetic field come from?

[@imafeltersnatch7634]

@@georgebond7777 Ironically I'm still waiting for you to cite the Scientific Paper for creation. Should we exchange Scientific Papers?

[@ronaldmorgan7632]

@@georgebond7777 It came from the universe, which created itself. :)

[@MichaelHarrisIreland]

I have been looking for a video like this for a long time. We've got a beautiful mystery right on our doorstep, how we are made. Intelligent design it is, but we need to explore how it happened in a world where we see no designer or plan for us who have discovered this. All the happening of life seem to have no purpose, no fairness, completely random who lives or dies. Rocks and life have equal importance in the scheme of things. We have ID but no meaning to it. That makes it something mysterious, amazingly mysterious. Something if we put a God on ruins the logic of what we see around us in everyday life. ...from Ireland. An amazing, beautiful video, thanks so much.

[@BoguslavSL]

A very keen observation. But you cannot learn from design everything about the Designer. You also need His story. And you have a second source - the Bible. Then you learn it is like the biology, badly represented but ingenious when you start to investigate

[@TheOtiswood]

To much common sense all at once. My neural network is constrained..... ok, I'm all right all ready.

[@GeoCalifornian]

I love God's Intelligent Bio-engineering Design... /Happily, the sun has set on evolution!

[@therick363]

_happily, the sun has set on evolution!_ Where when how did that happen? Evolution is still the best and only scientific theory and explanation for the diversity of life.

[@pomegranate6221]

Well ..maybe watch a Yuval harari video. Been around the world erasing history..

[@georgebond7777]

@@therick363 if your theory is the only explanation for the diversity of life why is it continually changing?

[@GeoCalifornian]

@@therick363 evolution is neither the best nor the only explanation because the fossil record repudiates evolution and the scientific method cannot be applied to validate its chief claims. /And so it goes...

[@erwinzuidervaart]

The argument is not new. We learn how complex biology is, so therefore intelligent design… Its a religion biassed view

[@jessebryant9233]

So is evolutionism.

[@erwinzuidervaart]

If biology proves the theorie of evolution to be false, you might be right.

[@ronaldmorgan7632]

*sigh* If it appears that something might be designed, then it's worth looking at the principles of design to help further understand. That's what the talk was about.

[@thomaswayneward]

@@erwinzuidervaart Can you provide one scientific fact that proves that Darwinian Evolution is a scientific fact? Just one?

[@BillMurrey]

@@erwinzuidervaart It already has, you just haven't accepted it.

[@joegreen3719]

If your god is such a great designer, explain human backs, knees and teeth. No, there are countless examples demonstrating the "designs" complete lack of foresight.

[@lizmcdermott2904]

Bad backs etc are the result of the fall of mankind, not a design problem. “Death [and therefore pain] came into the world though one man…” Genesis

[@audrakoch431]

Did you watch 28:00 - 29:30 ?

[@therick363]

@@lizmcdermott2904 _the result of the fall of mankind_ And you can back that up how?

[@boltrooktwo]

God built in a need for God, to see if people would do the right thing and use the right attitude even against opposition.

[@edward-atabby2186]

The entire human body is an amazing design. Since creation occured, however, the entire creation was subjected to futility because of sin. The Bible makes this very clear and before you criticized the design you need to understand the entire situation. Read the Bible.

[@UncriticalRaceTheory]

Great talk thanks for sharing!