Did Ukraine Design Better Rockets Than Russian Designers? Forgotten Soviet Rockets.

[@nicholasmaude6906]

The US DoD/NATO designation for the R-7, Scott, is the SS-6 Sapwood.

[@scottmanley]

Thanks for reminding me.

[@PrafullKotecha]

The best closing of a video about rocket history... "... you'll never guess what happened next!"

[@DUKE_of_RAMBLE]

Right? What a cliffhanger... Can't wait to find out! 😅

[@MonkeyJedi99]

@@DUKE_of_RAMBLE He made his own rocket company, with blackjack and hookers! No wait. That was Bender.

[@lextacy2008]

Yea what happened next was the invasion of Ukraine. Not what Scott meant here.

[@Travlinmo]

I love the result of them basically spitting in Musks face (quote from same book that they did spit in his face or on him). Certainly worked out in the US's favor.

[@Slithy]

I live 5 km away from Pivdenmash. Most of the stuff they designed and built in soviet times was military and highly classified, our city was a closed one for decades.

[@AAaa-wu3el]

Pivdenmash? What is it?

[@MrBishop077]

@@AAaa-wu3el The State Factory "Production Union Southern Machine-Building Plant named after O.M. Makarov", officially abbreviated as Pivdenmash, is a Ukrainian state-owned aerospace manufacturer. Prior to 1991, it was a Soviet state-owned factory. Pivdenmash produces spacecraft, launch vehicles (rockets), liquid-propellant rockets, landing gears, castings, forgings, tractors, tools, and industrial products. The company is headquartered in Dnipro, and reports to the State Space Agency of Ukraine. It works with international aerospace partners in 23 countries.

[@Slithy]

@@AAaa-wu3el Formerly Yuzhmash. It's full name is "southern machinery building plant", they just changed "southern" part from russian "yug" to ukrainian "pivden" for obvious reasons.

[@achtzehn18-cm4vi]

@@Slithy Can you tell us what's left of the plant after the "Oreshnik" hit? Thanks!

[@Slithy]

@@achtzehn18-cm4vi It was a dud, solid payload imitators basically took chunks out of the buildings due to sheer force of impact, but there weren't any explosions so it's largely intact. Previous iskanders and whatnots over the course of last years inflicted incomparably more damage to it.

[@allancopland1768]

Scott, I'm pretty certain the Dnepr was ejected from it's silo by a black powder gas generator cartridge and not a piston. You can spot the cannister being ejected sideways after launch in most of the available videos.

[@StewartEvans-e3z]

Both are true, the cartridge acted as the piston (charge pushed the piston up and booster sat on the piston), think of a mortar.

[@frankowalker4662]

🎅Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year everyone🎅

[@tellusmars7770]

@@frankowalker4662 Same to you🤗🌲

[@georgH]

The zenith is my favorite. It was also extremely automated and streamlined operations, which allowed it to be used at the sea launch platform

[@kohanrains776]

Nah it's the zenit... no h... it makes me unreasonably upset😂😂 I was saying out loud to myself " they could have had a pretty decent name... literally add an h"😂😂

[@Miata822]

@Scott, Dnipro was in Ukraine back then too.

[@zsoltmolnar1143]

Dnipropetrovsk

[@Miata822]

@@zsoltmolnar1143 Yes, both city and oblast, still and was always Ukraine.

[@brianfriedman101]

It will not be in the future.

[@ffffuchs]

@@brianfriedman101 +5 roubles komrade

[@MonkeyJedi99]

@@ffffuchs Look at you, tossing pennies to trolls. ;-)

[@melchiormike]

I dearly love that Korolev hasn't been lost to history....

[@GeneCash]

Korolev is was awesome. I always thought if Korolev and von Braun could have had a beer together, we would be on Mars.

[@matwyder4187]

His story is so ironical, so russian. They tried to kill him, because that's what they do, then realized his potential as an engineer, stopped trying to kill him, just to kill him by accident.

[@robinsonmitchell9995]

Samara-based RSC Progress, which builds the Soyuz 2 series of boosters, has a new Soyuz 5 (irtysh) booster in development. It's basically a slightly upgraded Zenit that's all Russian made. The booster will use a simplified version of the successful RD-170 - the RD-171MV. The Soyuz 5 is the single stick version, but notionally the single stick will be the basis for side boosters three stick and five stick variants. It's still developmental, and Russia's economic issues put the future of the program in doubt.

[@AdrIneX]

The RD-171MV is far from being a "simplified version of the RD-170". The RD-171MV is derived from the RD-171M, which has 5-10% more thrust than original RD-170, and is made completely out of Russian components. The Soyuz-5 (Irtysh) project is tied to Kazakhstan's "Baiterek" space complex in Baikonur, the latter has faced numerous delays and is completely under Kazakhstan's responsibility, not Russia. The Soyuz-5 is ready and its debut launch is expected to be in December 2025 (perhaps a bit later in 2026). So please, get your facts straight.

[@ssmitienko]

Korolev was ukrainian, born in city of Zhytomyr.

[@rtlgrmpf]

Glushko and Chelomey were Ukrainian too.

[@ВалентинКомаровский]

Королев - русский. Родился в России. До того как её разрушили кровавые коммуняцкие обезьяны.

[@danielch6662]

Of the Soviet leaders, only the first and last were full Russians. It was a dictatorship, and together, Lenin and Gorby were dictators for a total of less than 8 years. The USSR itself existed for 69 years. Ukrainian leaders ran the country longer than anybody else. Khrushchev was ethnic Russian but grew up in the Ukraine. Brezhnev was probably Ukrainian. Chernenko was ethnic Ukrainian from Siberia. Andropov's father was a Don Cossack (his mother's ethnicity is a bit unclear). Malenkov looks like a typical central Asian leader. His family immigrated from Turkey in the century before. Stalin was Georgian, his term was longer than anybody else's, but it was still less than Khrushchev + Brezhnev. We could argue about this today, but SP undoubtedly thought of himself as Soviet. His mother was Ukrainian and his father was Russian. Think of it like this. Imagine that South and North Korea never reunites and they go on to form separate countries called Hankuk and Chosun that lasts for hundreds of years, and then they fight over whether Sejong belongs to who. Makes no sense for the man lived hundreds of years before the two countries split apart. When SP was alive, it was all one country. He definitely did not expect Russians and Ukrainians to be killing each other today.

[@inf11]

Korolev was born in Russian empire, ethnically he is russian, and ukranian rocked industry is dead.

[@reznikvolodymyr8145]

​@@inf11there is no such ethnic as russian. Russia is a number of captured misc ethnoses. And Russia impire is dead same as Soviet union

[@walter2990]

Merry Christmas, Scott & your family! Stay well, and fly safe!

[@BenjySparky]

Scott, you rock! Merry Christmas to you and your family. Peace ❤

[@MrSergiychenko]

Perfect timing for this as russia closed KZbin for its citizens. 😊

[@nuffsaid0]

Reason to celebrate, isn't it? Because Russians without access to free information will be more inclined to stop the war, won't they?

[@SimonBauer7]

wasnt the Docking guidance system for the space stations also ukrainian?

[@tyrantfox7801]

It was later replaced with a Russian system.

[@AAaa-wu3el]

Yeah, it was Soviet.

[@VoltageLP]

yep, made in Kharkiv and Chernihiv

[@petunized]

Generally everything good happened in Ukraine is Ukrainean. Everything bad is Russian

[@sndsiwrite]

About the naming convention in Russian. Having studied Russian and loving dill flavor I was eating at a Russian place in Brighton Beach, NYC, and this exact topic came up. The lady behind the counter explained to me in Russian you can only name people a person's name. No Star or any hippy types names. So I guess the same applies to rockets and satellites, only rocket and satellite names can be used.

[@texasyojimbo]

Hi Scott, you might consider doing a video segment on the Chinese satellite that burned up a couple nights ago over the south-central USA (Mississippi, Alabama, Tennessee, Arkansas, Missouri). A lot of people saw it burn up as it did an uncontrolled re-entry at about 10 p.m. local time on 12/21. It's been reported that it was GaoJing 1-02 (Superview 1-02).

[@SimonBauer7]

15:28 Imagine they still had the og controls with the two keys, the only time where two people turning keys in a bunker doesnt result in absolute devestation...

[@kickup5269]

finally a great detailed video about rockets developed in the city of Dnipro by Yuzhmash and the Yangel Design Bureau. Thanks Scott and greetings from Ukraine.💙💛

[@roneycorrea]

The Cyclone project with Brazil failed due to the corruption involving this project

[@MCsCreations]

Thanks for the history lesson, Scott! 😊 Merry Christmas! Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊

[@Erik-rp1hi]

Living on Palos Verdes Pennisula I could see the Sea Launch barge and control ship in the US navy port in Long Beach. It was there for years.

[@emmabentley7945]

Absolutely fascinating, ❤ thanks for all your videos this year Scott , merry Christmas to you and your family 🎉

[@Nainara32]

Did I see that right? The START rocket has 5 nose cones.

[@rtlgrmpf]

Dunno, but this contraption was maybe the most kerbal I've ever seen!

[@TurningoffyourGaslights]

The R-7/Soyuz launch vehicles...IMO the coolest looking launchers ever!

[@flyfree1935]

For the sake of realism: most of Yangel-origin designs were hydrazine cocktail-powered (i.e. poisonous self-igniting liquid bi-fuels) - they require lots of empty land allocated for 1st and 2nd stages fallout. No chance for commercial success. Very few (3) potential usable launchpads in Ru and Kz. - and all pending closure. (for good) The Zenit3 - yes and no. Yes it was a LOX-kerosene and No - the RD-170 engine is Rus design and make, no chance to re-do in Ukr. Hence Yuzhmash ended up selling ppl and know-how to North Korea. Ironic aint?

[@b.griffin317]

14:20 I want to know more about this "protective capsule" !

[@neondemon5137]

Russian Cyber Ministry is all up in this comment section.

[@Redsauce101]

ISW is all up in this comment section.

[@highdefinist9697]

They really don't like it when people bring up the hypothetical of a Ukrainian new clear program... So, perhaps they also dislike any kind of information about corresponding Ukrainian capabilities?

[@Pasandeeros]

@@highdefinist9697 New clear. I'm stealing that.

[@General12th]

@@highdefinist9697 nucular

[@Forcix]

Is that right, huh. There are those who subscribed to this channel with the presumption that it was apolitical. That is no longer true. Your comment looks very "glowie." Discredited and ignored henceforth.

[@cabanford]

Ukraine designed and built a LOT of the Soviet stuff. Go Ukraine

[@Screaming-Trees]

Right. So after their independence they just what? Lost all that IP? They have no satellites, they have no missile force other than what we gave them. No aerospace force or industry. No air force. If they designed a lot of the Soviet stuff it stands to reason that some of it would carry over no? But nothing did. And it isn't like they don't have strategic resources. That's what the war in the Donbass is all about. All those metals, minerals that Linsay Graham won't stop talking about and is lusting over, natural gas etc etc. They have all the stuff they need to keep designing all this great Soviet stuff they allegedly designed. Where is it?

[@linuxsuperuser]

they built it and everything they made went to moscow

[@petunized]

Strange that after USSR it lost the ability to design anything and simply stagnated to irrelevance.

[@Screaming-Trees]

@@petunized Yeah right. Or they never did design anything in the first place. That's the other possibility.

[@turinturambar9932]

Ukraine did nothing.. Only Ukrainians did it, without claiming the existence of Ukraine, without thinking about the fact that this country exists and so on, because it simply did not exist. If Ukraine invented absolutely everything in the Soviet Union, then why, after its emergence as a sovereign country, did it have absolutely no technologies, innovations, or aspirations in science? It's strange that according to your data all the scientists were Ukrainians, but for some reason they didn't dedicate their works to their country.

[@Oedwak]

Damnit, now I have to go start a career playthrough in KSP with Soviet part mods. Addiction extended!

[@TyMoore95503]

Many of the best Soviet ICBMs were designed and built in Ukraine...along with many of the Inertial Navigation Systems used to guide them...were also developed and built in Ukraine. For that matter, many of the technical (electronic warfare and radars) systems used in Soviet era aircraft to also designed and built in Ukraine. It is part of the reason I believe Russia invaded Ukraine in the first place.

[@radicalgale]

That sounds absurd to be honest. Invading a country because it had some design bureaus as a part of Soviet Union and those bureaus designed the things they were initially founded for? Are you implying that Russia never developed it's own navigation systems and ICBMs so it had to invade Ukraine to... steal soviet technology? As if this technology wasn't shared across bureaus anyway

[@ChrisHarding-lk3jj]

Most of the Russian turboshaft and turbofan aircraft engines are designed and built in Ukraine.

[@msebastien24]

It was the case in the soviet era but that's not case anymore today. Russia produces its own advanced avionics, navigation systems and EW systems by itself and does not depend on Ukraine. Russia also produces far more advanced military and civil aircraft engines... Ukraine's industry has suffered a lot from corruption for 30 years and it is now essentially bankrupt like the entire country.

[@radicalgale]

@@ChrisHarding-lk3jj I mean... sure. I'm not saying that there were no connections between Russia and Ukraine after the Soviet Union fell apart. The supply chain was very interconnected and things remained that way for a long time. It is cheaper to continue producing parts in factories that were built in Ukraine and just buy them instead of building a whole new factory for the exact same purpose. Sadly, the war has ended that relationship. My point was (in the now deleted comment for some reason) that there is no way Russia would decide to invade Ukraine just because it was manufacturing like 1% of parts for Russian rockets and planes. That would be highly impractical imo

[@lodiped]

What you're missing from that anachronistic high you're riding is the fact that the people involved were Soviet. It doesn't matter where in today's term they were born in, they were all from the Soviet Union and didn't really think of Ukraine as separate. In fact, if you read Chertok's memoirs, all engineers were deeply sad when Stalin passed away. So it's kinda childish to have this "oh ukraine is good, russia is bad, everything is ukraine" behavior that invalidates the will, motivation and work of all the Soviet engineers involved in all of these projects.

[@Poult100]

Nice bit of history there!

[@scottycheesecake]

This is why Turkey is trying to get the Ukrainians to make the engines for their new KAAN fighter, there is generational knowledge and expertise in Ukraine for these kind of things.

[@pedrokdc]

Zenit my beloved ❤

[@canadianigel]

The only problem I always saw for Zenth was its 1st stage engine. Too much "to the limit", too "perfect" for a less technologically advanced country. And the problem with too high performance engine is... it gives no warning when it decides it is "too much" for him. Zenith did not have many failures... but when it did - they were instantaneous and violent even for the industry that is used to such events. It might have been problematic to have humans on it - even the very advanced LES might not have time to detect what's coming, and power to get sufficiently far away... Nowadays, with moder sensors and advanced computer probably would have been possible to both tame the engine and diagnose problems.

[@elkudos6262]

IDK about the rockets, but the computer designers in Kyiv definitely were more open-minded towards digital solutions than the construction bureaus in Moscow.

[@skvUSA]

Technically speaking Sergey Korolev was also Ukrainian as he was born, raised and educated in Ukraine, but back than everybody was hammered to be a Soviet. He made virtually no progress in rocket design save for design a basic MRLS until he got hands on German V-2 with a bunch of German engineers. Basically Souz is the continuation of .... V-2 ... The idea 4 chamber engine was introduced by Germans as a way to address instability as they tried to scale up V-2 at the final days of war. Once USSR managed to adopt V-2 to their limited manufacturing capabilities under R-5, they hit the same issue and took advantage of German idea in RD-107.

[@RustyorBroken]

Don't leave us hanging like that! What happened next?!?!

[@chanman819]

I somehow missed how many Sea Launch flights there actually were.

[@elkudos6262]

Ok, sir, much respect, wish you to weather the storm of these comments well. Merry Christmas!

[@OCinneide]

15:06 ....why? This seems so crazy haha. Why was it better to go the other way?

[@aalhard]

2:13 clarify, when was it not Ukraine??

[@SubVet84]

17:21 What did happen next with the Elon guy?? I hate cliffhanger endings; just tell us what happened next!!!

[@mddelanoy]

Lmao at all the tankies and bots in the comments. No amount of Russian revisionism can change the fact that 3/4 of the main Soviet rocket designers (Корольо́в, Глушко, and Челоме́й; exception is Мишин) were born in Ukraine. Forget "better than the Russian designers," if it wasn't for Ukrainians, there would be no Soviet *or* Russian space program

[@jettrd_utilitychnl4230]

no, it is if not Russia ukrainians would not get a first class STEM education and get to work on something more complex than a tracktor. You don't understand how empire work. To prove my point - Russia is making all that stuff (planes, nuclear plants, space rockets, very sophisticated parts for detectors of LHC CERN, top shelf IT services) without Ukraine since 1991, Ukraine without Russia - not that much.

[@AAaa-wu3el]

It means that Russia is very right claiming that most of so called Ukrainians are Russians who are now forced to call themselves "Ukrainians".

[@inf11]

so where is ukranian space program if they did it for ussr? 😂

[@toasttesting1604]

@@jettrd_utilitychnl4230Ukraine could become good and prosperous european country if russia did not subjugate it long time ago.

[@poes1314]

​@@inf11because there's a fucking war going on

[@Egghead2u]

Thank you, Scott, for your disorganization of Soviet-Russian-Ukrainian rocket development. Your articulation of this subject is very impressive

[@S1nwar]

12:49 i cant believe they were still using these unefficient carbon vane steering things in the 90s

[@scottmanley]

It was an old rocket, they weren't going to rip out the existing stuff.

[@rtlgrmpf]

It bogs me, that that they appear here so casually. When I read the NASA edition of B.E.Chertok's memoirs (Rockets and People/Ракеты и люди, free download from NASA, a kinda must read!) the first time, I stumbled a lot over these "graphite vanes". I had no f** clue what these were. The internet at this time gave me no useful answers. But I learned that "graphite" was apparently a very critical resource for Nazi Germany. Exactly one year ago I finally visited Peenemünde. And finally I saw a "real" mockup of a V2 graphite vane. Really? That stupid? Just put a piece of coal into the rocket exhaust? But it's hot. Coal burns. How can this work? Apparently graphite was also crucial for for Heisenberg. Because without getting any he couldn't do any nucular stuff. @scottmanley Maybe a video about rockets and graphite is due...

[@chloe-id6ep]

what game are you testing these rockets in?

[@FW190A8UW]

I would guess Kerbal Space program

[@keitha.9788]

So the question today is - What is Russia's capability today? Does Russia have the capability to product rockets and engines from 100% within Russia?

[@inf11]

yes, what about ukraine?

[@benbaselet2026]

No. All high tech stuff they make contains tons of western or chinese parts. They can't make computer chips for example.

[@AAaa-wu3el]

It's a "question" only for newborn babies.

[@Sableagle]

They can probably still produce the Ручной противотанковый гранатомёт-1, as long as the propellant doesn't get added to someone's tea or sprinkled on someone's cabbage patch and replaced with sea salt.

[@nuffsaid0]

@@benbaselet2026 there are or maybe there *is* a ~50nm fab in Russia, where afaik they produce some of their own chips. Otherwise, 90% of the nations on the planet do not produce their own chips, so kind of a pointless remark.

[@UlmDoesAnything]

Jesus the toxicity of Tankies in this comment section

[@lukeskywalker7457]

What happens next!

[@glencrandall7051]

Merry Christmas.🙂🙂

[@StaK_1980]

So, basically, SpaceX happened because of the greed of the russians. Oh, the irony! :-)

[@UserName-q4i5d]

when Flight 7 or gto

[@alexbold4611]

Yes, they do.

[@_mikolaj_]

Just peeked into the comment section before finishing, and geez Amount of people complaining about the title, its kinda pathetic. Like seriously whats your problem guys?

[@TheJacobshapiro]

They can’t handle that many of the noteworthy achievements of the USSR were not done in their entirety by Russians it seems.

[@chloe-id6ep]

its bots

[@stupidburp]

It is an easy way to get extra engagement whether intentional or by accident.

[@Forcix]

We subscribed for the science and engineering and NOT for politics, however subtly presented.

[@mduckernz]

@@ForcixYour assertion it is political in nature would seem to be the actually political statement. This is simply acknowledging history

[@allancopland1768]

Nice to see the Ukrainian vehicles getting a mention.

[@petunized]

It's Soviet. Ukraine didnt make a single one

[@joyl7842]

Zenit woohoo!

[@plasmaburndeath]

Damn you Russia for so many reasons. Damn you to Florida.

[@cosmefulanito5933]

I honestly don't understand the title of the video. Ukraine WAS part of the Soviet Union. Soviet rockets were Soviet. Not Ukrainians or Russians. It doesn't make sense.

[@westhuizenarchives2614]

This is gonna be a spicy video

[@moodogco]

Great content, very interesting 👍 I'm really enjoying your content as fellow person of the uk 🇬🇧

[@allanchurm]

actually the russians spat on elons shoes when he asked if they would sell him a rocket..( which is about right for the russian mentality )

[@inf11]

“Did soviet design better rockets than soviets designers?” 🤔🤔

[@Tim_Sviridov]

🧠

[@CartoonrBOY]

What? What happened next? 🤔

[@TheReaverOfDarkness]

Of course they did, most of Russia's good rockets came from Ukraine!

[@canadianigel]

One may like or hate Ukrainian missiles, but no argue about "pure" Russian stuff looking pale without Ukrainian contribution. Lost track of their missile program years as just "not cool anymore"... Heard them from time to time bragging (as they always do) about some new "fantastic" missile with some brand new bang-patriotic name... then stumbled on its codename R-36M2 and was stopped in my tracks in disbelief: does what I see _really_ mean what I see?! Is a "new great scary thing" really just a clone, a repeat of an old Yangel's missile?! So old, in fact, that it was a relic of the past even by the time I got to university, over 30 years ago?! Yes, it _is_ an attempt to repeat the ancient Ukrainian missile! And even that they can't get right, launching failure after failure? And they are even _bragging_ about it? Oh come on...

[@petunized]

Ukraine is a fake entity created by communists. It never existed before, and looks like wont exist much after. You are witnessing it's last years

[@dudermcdudeface3674]

The Soviet Union depended quite extensively on the innovative spirit of Ukrainians. Russia without them is much less than the subtraction of Soviet parts.

[@luca7069]

It's a complete coincidence that North Korea's ICBM programme got the biggest boost ever right after PA Pivdenmash lost all contracts with Roscosmos following the events of 2014...

[@TheRezro]

Yes. Russia is selling missile tech for bodies and ammo.

[@beaverkingO]

Same as the complete coincidence that north korean kn-23 ballistic missile is basically renamed and simplified version of russian iskander.

[@luca7069]

@@beaverkingO LOL you have no idea what you're talking about. The KN-23 uses the same solid rocket motor as the Pukkuksong-1 SLBM, which is much much wider in diameter than the Iskander-M missile. In solid rocket motors, diameter is everything. The two projects aren't even remotely related.

[@VoltageLP]

yep, russia was getting close with NK for more than a decades, a lot of NK's famous GULAG's are actually located in the russian Primorsky Krai, where north korean prisoners have been chopping wood and doing other hard labour since the 1990s at least

[@beaverkingO]

@@luca7069 Sure.. How about kn-02? Also "not even remotely related" projects with tochka SRBM? The point is: most NK rocket tech is either soviet or russian based.

[@trevortaylor5501]

Angara.

[@CalgarGTX]

Big parts of the soviet 'military-industrial complex' were based in ukraine, rocketry and subsystems, but also fuel production for rockets and all kinds of missiles, but also tanks and naval production. In my opinion one the big reasons they started wanting it back after the 2014 situation which boils down to a failed coup attempt (exact thing they are trying to do in Georgia at the minute). They must have realized after years of stalled military programs how much the ukrainian supply chain on the whole was actually worth and they stopped delivering russians a lot of things after 2014 which is probably when the realization really hit them.

[@ianglenn2821]

The other thing is natural gas... in 2011 a massive new field was discovered in the Sea of Azov, the 2013-14 political situation started exactly after Ukraine gave the mining rights to Shell instead of Gazprom... russia is just a gas station, the politics is just a thin second layer on top of their main concern of oil & gas money

[@Spherical_Cow]

Not really. Putin has long since publicly and openly declared his view that the breakup of the Soviet Union was the greatest tragedy to befall the Russian people in the 20th century. Reconstituting the old Evil Empire has been Putin's passion project pretty much since he was first elected President. He's just been getting incrementally more direct and aggressive about it over the years.

[@i-love-space390]

Think of how successful Russia could be if they simply treated the former "republics" of the USSR as equal partners and gave them freedom to direct their own economic and political affairs? Treating a country with respect, and using "honey" rather than "vinegar" to keep the relationship, is always more successful. Some people seem to accuse the US of taking advantage of other countries, but I submit that it is the way the US has interacted with other countries since WW2, creating mutual benefits is why the US has such successful alliances. Let us hope that Trump does not ruin the good will by treating every alliance as a pissing contest and a win/lose process.

[@togowack]

Yes, you would end up with Ukraine like it is today, corrupt government where the people are not looked after. Even now occupied territories are hoping for a Russian take over so medical supplies and food can once again flow through. Why anyone is rooting for a Ukranian "victory" is beyond me. Or why people think the US has business there

[@togowack]

The US doesn't really need anybody. Do people not realize how bad the economy is, its running on fumes. Every alliance (trade deal) is a win/lose situation where they have been losing for many many years... if it wasn't Trump it would be someone else fixing a long overdue mess.

[@UlmDoesAnything]

Yeahhh this is something people seem to miss when going "Ohh what about thr US what about the US they do bad too"

[@marcmcreynolds2827]

Looking forward to the next episode, so I can find out "what happened next" ; )

[@dimzen5406]

Sergey Korolev was from Ukraine 😉

[@petunized]

He called himself "Russian". So did Antonov and others

[@listenerererz]

Not surprised, that russian trolls fire up on comments to bless ussr (which truly could develop few good rocket engines, but that was it for the largest country in the world, with big resources.

[@scottmanley]

Glushko's engines are amazing.

[@listenerererz]

@@scottmanley russian major problem was lack of skillful workforce, they had few geniuses and lots of desperate drinkers...

[@nuffsaid0]

When USSR bad it's Russia, when USSR did something good, oh it's all the other countries but Russia. Very insightful.

[@rtlgrmpf]

@@scottmanley Yeah, if he only could along with Sergey Pavlowich... (Both were ukrainian, btw)

[@AAaa-wu3el]

@@scottmanley Are Scottish rockets ever existed? For some reason England produced several famous engine designs, but not Scotland.

[@davidjernigan8161]

Considering what the Ukrainians are developing now as far as weapons with limited resources it seems they are better at it

[@Specter0420]

Your title needs work Scott.

[@graham2105]

Sir Scott Manley......hahahah

[@nik12937]

How very insightful, thank you for your service comrade.

[@inspectorclouseau1728]

Exactly! deep state jew propaganda! Ukraines using USA missles because they dont have any to begin with.

[@oliveguitar]

Soviet Rock

[@XavierAway]

"Forgotten Rockets: Did Ukraine Design Better Rockets Than Russia?" works better I think

[@infinitivideo5168]

The USSR had what it called "planned economy" and put the efforts and resources where it was optimal for specific task. As about Korolyov and others, they at first place are USSR citizens, born in Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic. Their education and mindset was soviet. Now present Ukrainian administration officially wants to erase completely so-called "soviet heritage". So indeed these soviet people are not a part of Ukrainian history

[@unitrader403]

well, Russia wants to eradicate the Ukraine, so i guess they could be considered stateless today :D

[@wolpumba4099]

*Did Ukraine Design Better Rockets Than Russian Designers? Forgotten Soviet Rockets - A Summary* * *0:04** Introduction to Soviet Rockets:* The video starts by highlighting the longevity and historical significance of the Soyuz rocket, based on the R-7 ICBM, and mentions the Proton rocket as another enduring Soviet-era design. * *0:45** Ukrainian Contribution:* Several Soviet launch vehicles, no longer used by Russia, were primarily developed in Ukraine, highlighting a significant contribution to space technology. * *1:18** Key Figures in Rocket Development:* The development of the R-7 rocket involved two major personalities: Sergei Korolev (chief designer) and Valentin Glushko (engine designer), who had differing views on propellants. * *1:54** Formation of Ukrainian Design Bureau:* Mikhail Yangel established a design bureau in Dnipro, Ukraine, which developed important missiles like the R-12, R-14, R-16, and R-36, later converted into launch vehicles. * *2:22** Overview of Soviet Launch Vehicles:* The video discusses various launch vehicles derived from these missiles. * *2:25** Cosmos Rocket:* Derived from the R-12 (SS-4) missile, it used a rare combination of UDMH and liquid oxygen for its second stage and could deliver up to 350 kg to orbit. * *4:44** Cosmos 3 and 3M:* Based on the R-14 (SS-5) missile, this larger rocket could carry 1.25 tons to LEO. The 3M variant, introduced in 1975, had improved second-stage maneuvering and flew over 400 times until 2010. * *5:46** Cyclone Rocket:* Based on the R-36 (SS-9) ICBM, the Cyclone 2 could deliver 3.2 tons to LEO. The Cyclone 3, introduced in 1977, added a restartable upper stage, increasing payload capacity and orbital versatility. It was primarily a Ukrainian rocket with Russian components. * *8:48** Zenit Rocket:* Developed by Yangel's bureau, Zenit was designed as a medium-lift vehicle using cryogenic propellants. It was more capable than Soyuz and about half as capable as Proton. The Zenit 2 launched 37 times between 1985 and 2007. * *10:22** Zenit 3 and Sea Launch:* The Zenit 3 added a third stage for geostationary launches and was used in the Sea Launch project, a collaboration between Ukraine, Russia, and Boeing, launching from a Pacific Ocean platform. * *11:31** Zenit as Energia Booster:* Zenit's first stage was also used as boosters for the Soviet Energia rocket, which flew only twice due to the Soviet Union's breakup. * *12:14** Post-Soviet Developments:* Several vehicles were developed post-breakup using Soviet technology. * *12:28** Start-1 Rocket:* Derived from the RT-2PM Topol ICBM, this mobile launch vehicle could place about 500 kg into orbit and launched seven times between 1993 and 2006. * *13:18** Rokot Rocket:* Based on the UR-100 (SS-19) missile, Rokot could carry 1.85 tons to LEO and launched various payloads, including Iridium satellites and the GRACE experiment. * *13:58** Shtil-1:* A submarine-launched ballistic missile converted for orbital launches, setting a record for the lowest launch site. It launched small payloads twice, in 1998 and 2006. * *14:27** Dnepr Rocket:* Based on the R-36M missile, Dnepr could deliver 4.5 tons to LEO. It was a low-cost launch vehicle in a Ukraine-Russia collaboration and launched 22 times, twice holding the record for most payloads in a single launch. * *16:39** Dnepr's Role in SpaceX's Formation:* In 2001, Elon Musk's attempt to purchase a Dnepr rocket led to a disagreement, prompting him to consider building his own rockets, ultimately leading to the creation of SpaceX. * *17:15** Conclusion:* The video ends with a reflection on the significant role of Ukrainian-developed rockets in space history and their indirect influence on the emergence of private space companies like SpaceX. I used gemini-1.5-pro-exp-0827 on rocketrecap dot com to summarize the transcript. Cost (if I didn't use the free tier): $0.03 Input tokens: 19820 Output tokens: 990

[@General12th]

Don't do this. You have better things to do with your life.

[@UlmDoesAnything]

No one...asked?

[@allanbud]

Gemeni: The English translation of "рокот" Rockot depends on the context. Here are a few options: * Roar: This is the most common translation and refers to a loud, deep sound, like the roar of a lion or thunder. * Rumble: This describes a continuous, deep sound, like the rumble of an engine or distant thunder. * Murmur: This is a softer, more continuous sound, like the murmur of a stream or a crowd of people. To give you the most accurate translation, could you please provide more context about how "рокот" is used in the sentence or phrase?

[@edgeeffect]

I loved the Зеніт 2 because it looked like they were launching a huge pencil into space.

[@FW190A8UW]

Sadly this will bring in the russian bootlickers like nothing else.

[@ThatOpalGuy]

It seems that almost everyone makes better stuff than Russia. Maybe, were it not an oligarchy, quality would be much better.

[@Redsauce101]

You can apply the exact same statement to the UK, South Korea, USA and most places in mainland Europe.

[@sherman1376]

@@Redsauce101 well you can't, lol. if Europe and America's build quality is somehow poor, then the rest of the world might as well be living in the stone age by comparison.

[@mduckernz]

@@Redsauce101But all those places actually export stuff that people want. It’s easy to name popular exports from all of these. Russia… not so much, just oil and minerals really (stuff you pull out of the ground, no innovations needed)

[@mduckernz]

Honestly, an oligarchy would be an upgrade on what they actually have, which is a dictatorship disguised as an oligarchy

[@UlmDoesAnything]

​@@Redsauce101how...exactly? Ofc we cant deny the existence of wealthy powers within those countries (and South Korea's Samsung Curse especially) but its not the same as Russia's Oligarchy mostly just taking all the funds to fund a dictator and make nothing exportable

[@lordgarion514]

Just think, if the Russians had jumped at the chance to work with Elon musk, America would look like a third world country when it comes to space.

[@alexanderarrieta8433]

Slava ukraini

[@elkudos6262]

Heryam Slava!

[@danielch6662]

The USSR was a dictatorship. The long years under Stalin, Khrushchev, and Brezhnev ... they were not from Russia. Stalin was famously from Georgia. Krushchev and Brezhnev was from Ukraine. And SP was from Ukraine, born of a Russian soldier and Ukrainian mother. Nobody was greater than SP. Not even von Braun. The US only pulled ahead after SP died unexpectedly relatively young from a botched minor surgery.

[@Redsauce101]

The USSR was a soviet. FTFY

[@rtlgrmpf]

"What ifs" are always tricky. When SP died (for stoopid reasons), the SU had already lost the race. The economic power of the US was just to great. But with SP alive, and maybe Krushchev still at the helm, everything would have been much more interesting. SP and VP with the resources of the US would be even more interesting. Von Braun spend more resources to get the F1 right than the SU spend on whole N1 program! VP would've opted for one engine four nozzles. SP didn't even had a teststand for Blok A!

[@achtzehn18-cm4vi]

@@rtlgrmpf ווען די באָבע זאָל האָבן בייצים, װאָלט זי געװען אַ זײדע

[@cjplay2]

QQ Scott: Do you think Ukraine's success with rockets was any partial motivation for Russia's invasion? Either for satellites or for military rocket use? With all the ICBM's in your engaging and thorough piece, one has to wonder if a ballistic launch from Ukraine would not be able to be blocked by Russia for an attack on Moscow.

[@fernbedek6302]

A shame they weren't a little more subtle trying to fleece Musk, then we could have lived in a better world without him attached to space flight.

[@franticsledder]

And there it is, the dumbest s*** I'll read all day 🤣

[@Maxdubi]

Ohh look there’s a political wee turd

[@unitrader403]

you mean as in Starliner would have been successful? or just pushed ahead because its the only option?

[@fernbedek6302]

@ I would just prefer to be able to celebrate milestones in spaceflight without it often being tied to a man who supports German Neo-Nazis (the AFD are directly tied to the old Nazi party), as well as other shady groups, and wants to make life for trans people like me significantly worse.

[@RickTheClipper]

Ukraine was the heart of Russian engineering, Their current rate of innovation shows their capacities They built the turbines for the military airplanes, for natural gas pumps, they have the brains whilst Russia just has the weapons

[@MrSkipLim]

Russia built all the factories, science and education for Ukraine. lol

[@Redsauce101]

Ukraine is Russia.

[@stupidburp]

Ukraine built the infrastructure in Ukraine, even during Soviet times. Ukraine also built all of the large capital ships for the Soviet Navy.

[@RickTheClipper]

@@Redsauce101 Never was and never will! Learn history instead of propaganda

[@RickTheClipper]

@@MrSkipLim So why is Ukraine so innovative and Russia so stubborn?

[@karakiri283]

It's no that Ukraine's rockets are better. It's that the soviets put most of the engineering and production facilities there, because of the climatic conditions, more easy access to resources and transportation, with engineers from everywhere. That would be like saying "did Alabama design better rocket than Alaska designers ?" While most engineers aren't even from Alabama in Alabama to start with, but from all the US. Or like saying "did Ukraine design better ships than Russian designers ?", while most soviets shipyards were in Ukraine because of the climat and easier access for their ships to more open seas with the Montreux convention. Never forget that Ukraine was the soviet industrial powerhouse and that Ukraine inherited the biggest industrial base from any ex soviet states (even Russia), but did nothing with it at the end of the day and is the only ex soviet state that was in a worst place economicaly in 2010 than in 1991 (after 2014 and being partially invanded you can't really blame them for being in a bad place).

[@2ebarman]

To me, it's more about Ukraine not having usually acknowledged enough for their contribution. Soviets tried to diminish Ukraine into just a region in the empire and the horrors soviets caused by doing that should never be forgotten.

[@inf11]

@@2ebarmanwhat do you mean? soviets literally added poland/russian empire lands to ukraine, while people living there was not even ethnically ukranian

[@toasttesting1604]

@@inf11and who where they?

[@inf11]

@ romians, Hungarian, polish, russian, Lvov is not originally Ukrainian city, so does Odessa for example.

[@mduckernz]

@@inf11Soviets also starved them so severely that people were forced to eat their own dead family members out of desperation. They also stole their farms and grain, even while said starvation was being enacted

[@mnblkjh6757]

🇺🇦👍🙂

[@cyr8913]

1st - Yangel was born in Irkutsk ( Siberia ) and he was not the ukrainan. He finished Moscow Institute of Avionics and worked in Moscow for decades. He even died in Moscow . 2. So-called Ukrainian rocket program never existed - it was all-soviet union program spread across the country , where people of different nationalities worked together.

[@scottmanley]

And Sergei Korolev was born in Zhytomyr, Ukraine, Valentin Glushko was born in Odessa - are you sure you want to go down the route of awarding credit based on where someone was born?

[@TheDarthWebster]

@@scottmanley get his ass king 👑

[@FW190A8UW]

And then there was no russian rocket program either...

[@ВалентинКомаровский]

@@scottmanley Korolev is Russian. He was born in Russia. Before it was destroyed by bloody communist monkeys.

[@AdrianBoyko]

Yangel was born in Siberia because that’s where his grandfather was deported by the Tsar. Kinda funny to claim him as russian on that basis. As with most such cases, the place of birth means very little compared to what the family identified as.

[@KamepinUA]

WE GOT A UKRAINE VIDEO GOD BLESS

[@NickNathanson]

Slava Ukraine!

[@CathrineMacNiel]

what happened next is Elona gets drunk on power and ruins America, Europe and flings the World into chaos?

[@ddt6352]

Get a grip, Chicken Little. Like all people, I'm sure you have a bunch of problems at home, but none of them are Elon Musk's fault.

[@Patchuchan]

Musk was able to build his own rocket because ran into Tom Mueller who was basically furloughed because SLI was cut.

[@VoltageLP]

Wait, what? It can't be! Elon is a genius who designes Teslas and rockets without even having a degree! Who the hell are Tom Mueller, Charles Kuehmann, Mark Juncosa, Will Heltsley Peter Rawlinson and J. B. Straubel? Nobodies.

[@kittty2005]

Starship's expendable payload capacity is equivalent to a large diesel locomotive, he sent a car to space imagine a railroad on Mars.

[@benbaselet2026]

I would not like to see the fuel bill for supplying Diesel to Mars for it :D

[@jamescobban857]

Starship has payload capacity comparable to a large jumbo jet.

[@mraagh8779]

@@benbaselet2026 just use martian ... oh wait

[@Peizxcv]

There is no difference between Russian and Ukrainian. They are literally the same people living in the same country. All the “difference” nowadays is first German and then NATO propaganda

[@Spherical_Cow]

There is a lot of difference. The Ukrainian language is almost incomprehensible to Russians, both in spoken and in written form. They share the same roots, but only to the extent that for instance Portuguese and Italian share the same roots. During Stalin's reign of terror, Ukraine was subjected to a deliberate policy of starvation by seizing and exporting all the food it produced to other Republics (primarily, Russia), due to which literally millions of Ukrainians died of hunger; even cannibalism was known to have occurred due to people's desperation to survive. (Look it up: the Ukrainians call that atrocity, "Holodomor"). This was part of a systematic policy of repression, to bring Ukraine into submission. You're accusing others of regurgitating propaganda, but in reality you're the one who is ignorantly parroting Putin propaganda here.

[@joyl7842]

Howcome the Zenit sounds like vastly better than any of the other rockets? Edit: oh, it's Ukrainian lol

[@xgamer]

Ukraine was soviet russia. A lot of industrial power was present in that part of the country. Because of the good location of the coast.

[@jcd2020]

Ukraine was Ukrainian SSR, Russia was Russian SFSR

[@toasttesting1604]

totally wrong reason, Ukrainians are capable of doing awesome things, terroRussians only drinking vodka, stealing ideas and killing innocent people. That’s why they had to move capabilities to Ukraine.

[@AdrianBoyko]

And Ukraine and Belarus had UN membership while rossia was lumped into the USSR membership along with Kazakhstan, etc.

[@danielch6662]

@@jcd2020 Khrushchev was head of Ukraine SSR leaders before he became dictator of USSR. Brezhnev was Krushchev's protege. Chernenko was ethnic Ukrainian from Siberia. Andropov's father was a Don Cossack. Even old Gorby is half Ukrainian and half Russian. That leaves only Stalin (Georgian), Malenkov (descended from immigrants from Turkey), and Lenin (mother is half Swedish/half Russian Jew, father unknown). The USSR was this entirely Russian dictatorship that was paradoxically not led by actual Russians.

[@jcd2020]

@@danielch6662 this is always a funny subject, pro-russians when discussing the atrocities committed by USSR point out it actually wasn't led by Russians but when the subject changes to space programs everything immediately becomes 100% russian.

[@Paulkjoss]

The Chinese recently set the record for the longest Spacewalk - you cover a lot of space news but not much from China - is this something you would like to do - is there too little info out there - just curious is all and your videos are always so interesting - thank you 👍🏼

[@TheEvilmooseofdoom]

He covers them in his deep space updates.

[@ConalRF]

it still says, "Ukraine's", in the title

[@ConalRF]

*in notifications only.

[@Techpriest1010]

The answer to these kind of clickbait is always No.

[@scottmanley]

But it's the correct answer that matters. Only lazy people care about the short answer

[@johnnybegood8669]

​@@scottmanleyThere was no "Ukraine" nor "Russia" during Soviet period. There was only USSR and that's it. This video title is just as stupid and clickbaity as smth like "Were Texas' rockets better than Florida's?" Honestly I held you to a higher standart than this.

[@scottmanley]

@ it makes total sense to ask if rockets from one designer are superior to rockets from another designer. Of course when you do the fans of the losing side whine