T8 Blowout & DBFZ Rollback! | Triple K.O.

[@FoolsGil]

Glad ya'll brought up Thems Fightin Herds. It may not be for everyone, but the fact no one else who talks about fighting games doesn't want to bother bringing up what happened, it really stunk. imho Modus shouldn't be trusted, and indie fighters need to have a lawyer ready to check all the fine print when someone comes to them with a check.

[@supermario863]

I no longer trust Modus or anything related to them as far as I could spit.

[@binho2224]

1:02:35 I disagree about giving a new VF a super or something. VF is the closest we got to a combat sports game while being a traditional fighting game (it has health bars, no stamina, no random KO, fights are quick, proper frame data, no fighter stats). I hope it stays true to its roots gameplay, just improve the presentation, audio, visuals and a bit of the effects without going to flashy. And, for Gods sake SEGA, invest in the lore, do a proper good story! You can have great characters here, just need to have people invested on them.

[@Thomazbr]

My pitch for a new Virtua Fighter is to go full on the 90's martial arts tournament-vibe. Put crowds on the stages, make the stages dark arenas lighted up with blown up headlights, make camera flashes go off when something crazy happens. Maybe give it a slightly VHS filter to it. When you choose a character for the story you get to see like a mini short documentary about them going on their day, like a real sports documentary thing. Virtua Fighter should feel like a long lost martial art tape that was recently uncovered.

[@Vivid114]

Asking as a non VF fan (i had 4 on the ps2 as a kid), would realistic supers be unappealing? I could see that being a compromise.

[@ryankerns2450]

Max was spot on that a new anime fighter was in the works... but who knew it was a Hunter X Hunter game from Eighting and "not" Arcsys?!

[@clarinet800149]

$25 would have been the magic number for the SF6 costume pack

[@lilkingMJ]

As a consumer that wanted to buy them all and proceeded to buy absolutely zero I wholeheartedly agree. Lol However, It’s tough to tell them not to do it this way if (sadly) ppl are still going to pay. Just a feeling, but I think they made bank on these outfits

[@NRobbi42]

​​@@lilkingMJ You can't convince me that they wouldn't have made more if they released a $30-40 bundle option

[@lilkingMJ]

@@NRobbi42 O I definitely believed that at 1st. But the fact they haven’t adjusted anything leads me to believe whatever numbers they were expecting to hit they hit. Cuz you know they’re not in the business of losing money.

[@NRobbi42]

@lilkingMJ Nah, I just feel like the optics of dropping the prices too soon would be catastrophic and would piss off everyone who already bought the outfits at full price. I'd expect a sale/bundle to be released around the time Akuma drops.

[@lilkingMJ]

@@NRobbi42 As someone who is waiting I hope you’re right. Lol

[@Bodachi]

Rumble Fish+ gets announced and I'l still waiting for my physical version of Rumble Fish 2. Been over a year.

[@alistairblaire6001]

I know there's a ton of fighting game stuff right now but I really want a new sword game lol. SC6 came out in 2018 so my copium is that we'll get SC7 within the next couple years. SamSho just got the big rollback update on Steam but I think there's still fewer people playing even compared to SC6. On the bright side the industry acceptance of rollback might mean that newer games are less likely to die after a week due to poor netcode.

[@23NinjaSniper]

I feel you but SoulCalbur 6 didn’t sell very well to Bandai standards so I wouldn’t hold my breath for a next one for at least another 5 to 6 years if Bandai is willing to attempt to make another one. Okubo left unless Harada can have input and revitalize the franchise we may never get another SoulCalbur besides a collection pack.

[@Sdcchistorian]

Max has explained this on his stream before, but the producer who got SC6 off the ground basically staked his career at the company on it, it didn't sell well, and then he left. So we're most likely not getting SC7 for a long, long time

[@CuriousCorduroy]

With how crazy Tekken is I wouldn’t be shocked if Heihachi found a way to put his consciousness into Reina’s body as a contingency plan for his death.

[@Dr_Ki11enger]

Heihachi saw M. Bison's whole clone plan fizzle out and was like "What if I like, *actually* did that for realsies?"

[@LectricVonThunder]

Nah but fr, i think Reina could be a Heihachi clone body with the Devil gene spliced in.

[@gdadder]

Nah Hiehachi is dead dead, his voice actor died a few years ago too and that’s a huge deal in Japan.

[@LectricVonThunder]

@gdadder Heihachi has already been recast before after his voice actor died. Twice, i think. Besides, i dont think thats quite what they were saying. More that Reina isnt just his daughter like the common theory goes

[@RobSomeone]

Xehanorted!?!?

[@DARS_04]

1:03:12 VIRTUA MOVE, VIRTUA TECHNIQUE, or go do the thing the anime did and make a stupid big deal about their moves! "Ooh, it's Akira's Tetsuzanko!" Or something like that.

[@supermario863]

Around the time this episode released the information came out that the majority of the Mane6 developers behind Them's Fightin' Herds were fired/laid off by Modus, except for 3 people, and then one of the remaining 3 quit out of solidarity. So yeah, the majority of the team that gave us Them's Fightin' Herds is no longer together.

[@GoB1996]

Funny enough that’s pretty much the story of what Kazuya is doing in the main story too 😂 “I’m taking over this planet because y’all ain’t shit, and if you think you are the shit then come see ya boy at the iron fist tournament”

[@Frosted_Moontips]

So I have a bit of a silly idea for how VF6 could be innovated upon: body-specific critical hits! For example, Jeffry lands a powerful kick on Lion's shin; now depending on the size/weight of both the attacker AND the defender, there's a pretty high chance that Jeffry's meaty kick could shatter Lion's leg bone, thus nerfing both his overall movement speed and the damage values on any attack that utilizes said leg. Is it a bit sim-y? Perhaps, but I think it would add a nice layer of depth when it comes to how a player approaches a situation; "Should I sidestep in case this guy tries to snap my leg in two, or just block it? Can my character take the potential damage, or will my opponent somehow manage to land a crit and make it so much easier for them to win the match?"

[@Caderfixloxa]

Capcom's choice regarding the pricing of SF6 dlc and the launch price for Dragon's Dogma 2 made me decide to go back to getting their games only during sales for GOTY editions for the foreseeable future. I understand a lot of people are ok with it and are willing to pay, more power to them, but personally I think it is too greasy.

[@Tututu22]

Did you buy sf6 already?

[@DanteMasaru]

"Greasy"? Or you could just not buy the DLC or wait for the DLC sale itself.

[@Caderfixloxa]

@tututu22 Yes, on launch as Capcom was on a great streak.

[@Caderfixloxa]

@DanteMasaru onky if heavily discounted. Otherwise I'm ok with waiting for the final release to upgrade my base game

[@Tututu22]

@@Caderfixloxa I think you shouldn't have bought sf6. I didn't. Capcoms streak means nothing. If you've been paying attention to Capcom at all these last 30 years, you would know that they are super disgustingly greedy with their fighting game releases. The best time to buy a Capcom fighting game, and most other fighting games in general, is when they release the next game in the series. Capcom has also added micro transactions into their single player resident evil games these last 7 years. They've never been "on a roll" They've always shown their greed.

[@fernandozavaletabustos205]

Another great episode from the podcast!

[@grouchygamer2404]

So we need fighting vipers vs Rival schools 😂

[@DARS_04]

I'd play that, that unironically sounds fun

[@Hell_Soll]

about the T8 CPU difficulty, it's not even a thing for seasoned Tekken players but it actually IS piss easy, I hadn't played a Tekken game since T5DR on the PSP and after playing the Arcade story stuff, I went to play the CPU by itself and even on Ultra Hard I was smoking Kazuya no problem.

[@kamenrangerzeo8251]

When it comes to season passes or even the rollback passes that include a little more netcode into the games itself some of them are good and well worth the price, while others are more or less not so much. I mean every time I think about like ultra Street fighter 4 or even ultra Street fighter 2, which are like the final versions of the games themselves, it really makes them worthwhile since they include everything.

[@lukelmaooooo]

the street fighter monetization is just asinine, legitimately so disgusting and egregious that it killed my enjoyment of the game

[@DanteMasaru]

Really? Couldn't you just ignore the DLC and not partake in buying it? Which it's safe to assume you haven't purchased any of them given your apparent disdain.

[@ultraspinalki11]

​@@DanteMasaru The dlc makes me glad I chose the PC version for the infinite costume mods.

[@DanteMasaru]

@@ultraspinalki11 Just as long as you don't broadcast it on KZbin or anything 'cause recently Capcom has been striking channels showcasing modded content in Capcom titles.

[@arpadszabo661]

Actually same. Costume 1 colors not being available by default was already bugging me, but i grinded ingame currency for the ones i wanted. All costume 3 together being 108$ and not being able to buy a single costume without doubledipping made me quit the game. Installed it once since then but Nope, i actually don’t enjoy it anymore.

[@ComboDevils]

What's up I heard my name who's talking about me

[@PeachRap]

Combo Devils is gonna be a great game, the devs are quite close to the community and it's not just a smash clone, the ledge/wall gameplay is enough to convince me! Great Podcast, as usual!

[@runbaa9285]

Honestly, SEGA could give the reign of the new VF to RGG Studio. If anyone could make activities that are simple look flashy, cinematic, and bombastic, it's RGG Studio. The question is if they'll be able to handle a long-term project such as a live-service fighting game, since they specialize on single player games. Also because the Dragon Engine they use is just fantastic, lol. I want to see the engine's patented ragdoll physics in action whenever someone gets KO'd 😂

[@zubrhero5270]

Hear me out on this one... "How do we revolutionise Virtua Fighter for a new age?" Answer... We don't. And not only do we not... we _double down on it._ We make it literally "it's thing". And by "we don't" I mean, obviously we do lol, but we make it _the most Virtua Fighter_ Virtua Fighter. What I'm saying is I think there's room on the market at the moment for "the most realistic fighter" amongst all the other fighters out there. It can have flashy new stuff, sure, cool characters and cool moves, but it should absolutely nail the fundamentals, the basics, the core mechanics and systems. There's room for a Virtua Fighter _and a Tekken_ in this day and age, I think... I hope.

[@BossfightArcade]

Great episode as usual! that sigh from Max when they were talking about the Low hat nerf was how a lot of competitive mk players felt lol. Just FYI about the new MK1 patch with the Low Hat nerf, it has been a universaly well received patch with almost nothing but buffs to weak kameo's and sub-zero. Sonya's projectile is now always mid which makes her very good. we've already seen teams like Johnny Sonya, Reiko Sonya and others doing work. Motaro got patched into the game with improved cooldowns and massive buffs to low shot (it is now +13 on hit) removing the + frames from close low hat and increasing the strength of motaro's low shot makes it a nice way to differentiate the two and both fill a niche. Low hat can be held for 50/50's and leaves opponent standing for pressure on hit. While Low shot provides massive plus frames on block but knocks down on hit. and much more. I'm glad to see that we didn't get the patch everyone was fearing (more nerfs). Also Sub-zero got some nice ice clone buffs.

[@DanteMasaru]

I don't understand why Max continues to say that about the jukebox feature in Tekken 7. One can already select what track plays in whatever round or stage one chooses. For example: Jun Kazama's arranged track and arcade track from Tekken 2 I've set to play to the first round and last round respectively in the jungle stage. Yeah, one has to manually set this up, but the tracks do play depending on how one arranges them.

[@Froggyfeeling]

They've been including arcade roms with the fight pass, right? They just weren't that notable, it was like Son Son and shit, some shmups I think. I think they're also only playable in the gallery, not the online hub with others but idk, I ain't tried getting my co-op Son Son on. I tried getting every battle pass since launch, but I burned out and missed the last two or so, it's really just not that worth it to grind it out.

[@emperormegaman3856]

I mean, at this point they can make a new Fighting Viper and market it the same they'd do a new thing.

[@SilentKGaming]

The Ultra Hard difficulty being easy is not new. I played UH on T3 and TAG 1 and they were also both very easy to beat. Sad, because Ogre and Unknown are among my favorite Tekken bosses, but they were never very challenging 😢

[@jantzenjones9]

Max is rocking that Sephiroth part.

[@niwona_]

VF will do nothing positive to their fanbase with supers or cinematic story mode. They first revolutionized the tutorial/training mode long ago, they should consider creating an "Arcade" that is all based around teaching players VF concepts through the application of other game genres (rhythm, shmup, roguelite, etc.) VF is such a fast-paced game; it would be great to have an overarching mechanic that builds off keeping that pace, like a shared meter between players which gives boosts for "keeping the ball afloat" whether it's in O, D, movement and create a meta around when to pass off the temp buffs/nerfs

[@dat1faclesdude]

what fanbase!? there are like 10 of them

[@fakename8543]

How am i just discovering this podcast?!?!?

[@MikeyDLuffy]

Matt laughing at "Virtua Blow" made me laugh my ass off but no one else acknowledged it 😂

[@snowgrindur2]

I love this podcast

[@Jerry_SSBB]

SF6 Costumes being that cost is almost fair assuming you play 1-2 characters, but all of them being x1.65 times the base game is petty.

[@Jerry_SSBB]

Not to mention the quality of these models.

[@satosabrino9209]

I wonder if Matt have ever played Toy Fighter, a Dreamcast fighting game

[@funkerman7]

Queen Reina

[@venomfuryx3250]

Queen Queen ;)

[@Capcom1984]

I'm really hoping MvC3 will add not just The Thing, but also Dan, Nero, Gene and among others soon!

[@gamestarr4048]

I only got back into fighting games recently, but between SF6 costume 3 and all MK1’s fatality bs, I came to the conclusion it’s one of the most over monetized game genres there is.

[@runbaa9285]

You should try shooters, lol. My eyes pretty much bugged out at a $50 weapon skin in Valorant, lmao.

[@DjDizzy216]

Ken outfit 3 is straight up Corey Feldman Ken

[@Arcadia6227]

I don't think people having cosmetics from the pass means that it's doing super well like Justin said. I bought the fast pass and since then I've just been using those same 250 coins to buy each new pass. They're not getting anymore out of me and I always play enough to get the coins back. That's very different to buying the pass fresh every month

[@killerb255]

36:45 “I come to make an announcement…”

[@zy7958]

Jump Force 2 ?

[@TrojanGamer10]

Matt's beard is getting bigger

[@AngeVNs]

42:11

[@bananabike279]

I really hope Virtua FIghter comes back someday with a new installment, wanting to change it for a modern audience yet stay true to it's roots probably feels like an impossible challenge for the devs also guys I love this podcast but can you PLEASE remove all the extra adds on Spotify? I listen to it on Premium so I won't have to listen to adds yet I still get random adds every 20 minutes or so

[@Gobsmac]

Damn, ZERO mention of the Under Night beta from any of the guys. Really disappointing considering how good it's looking

[@rpgtimefire]

Funny max said arc system has something in the back ground and they announced a Hunter x Hunter game.

[@baranda0]

I want a anime smash like roster that plays like dragon ball fighterz 💯🤔🥺🥳

[@davose8756]

Coreupt is looking like a pretty edgy cyber punk coo smaller fighting game

[@DaSleepiest]

I wish they would have had it so that the games you have in the fighting pass were available in Capcom arcade stadium (1 or 2). And maybe add the Darkstalkers or pocket fighter. I would love to see a versus version of SFA3 MAX or double upper. Or at least Saikyo dojo.

[@vinnythewebsurfer]

Oh yea the Twitter Elpheht saga was something. First they get leaked like a week before but like a sizeable chunk of people bought the theory that someone just ripped off and reworked the freaking Bridget reveal art and then on the day of e3, a bunch of other sites just revealed ahead of time no, no it’s Elphet. Harada is innocent. Aside from the weirdos getting pissy over her missing bunnies ears and other nonsense I can’t even arsed to go into, Strive Elphet has been a resounding success.

[@akumous]

I can attest. When you are kid is sick so will you.

[@onesowngrief]

😩 There has been a game bundled in each fight pass since the first one and if you hit rank 30, you get your coins completely refunded.

[@kye4216]

Yea if you play the game regularly the Fight Pass is just free stuff

[@FamilyTyRanT]

Nice

[@Zenotron]

Max once again with a god awful take! Virtua Fighter DOES NOT need to drop its purity to be successful in the modern age! Last thing we need is a dumbed down Virtua Fighter that doesn't feel like VF! Just keep it authentic!

[@BlackIce4777]

HUNTERXHUNTER EIGHTING

[@lukelmaooooo]

its funny how the only year that NRS deserved fgoty, it went to street fighter.

[@ShadalooPlayer]

Mk1? Deserving goty?

[@lukelmaooooo]

@@ShadalooPlayer missing a crucial letter there bud

[@ShadalooPlayer]

@@derekwhite4312 i am learning english

[@lukelmaooooo]

@@derekwhite4312 ive played both lol. the only thing that people point out when they compare it to MK1 is the shitty yakuza mode that people only finished to get the 2nd costumes. oh and you can actually UNLOCK character costumes in MK1 and you can actually buy the DLC characters outright instead of buying mtx shitcoins just to pay for chars with them

[@ShadalooPlayer]

@@lukelmaooooo you forgot about: bad balancing, bugs, no online features and lack of content, all of this on day 1