Pincer Move! | Low Elo Legends #23

[@sjamesvfx]

'If you get attacked at this ELO.... you resign and go play another game and hope you don't get attacked again'. So true.

[@rasmustagu]

Hahahahahahaha that is one of the best things I've heard

[@FrostMonolith]

"He might not have the APM but he for sure is the master strategist" is a line that still makes me confident in trying to improve in this game. Thank you!

[@whuzzzup]

Blue put his two spare sheep on a patch of grass next to his TC

[@TinSVM]

That made my day, thank you sir.

[@TinSVM]

Check out minute 16:50

[@TheLocfox]

[@hitcheldeek8683]

Hahahahahaha just saw that... Epic!

[@theflame5919]

uwu 😂

[@btarczy5067]

That techswitch into Blacksmith upgrades won him the game. Brilliant!

[@autodidacticartisan]

What a crazy, risky strat. . . but hey it worked.

[@PotatoSmasher420]

Blacksmith uprages, who would've thought... I must try to research them sometimes too.

[@CommissarMitch]

All these Low Elo Legends remind me of my early strategy. Scout with Sheep and use them to find the enemy base. When they disapear they found the enemy.

[@dyus1528]

Big brain strategy right there

[@Jaosen]

Unless they get picked up by enemy scout by accident along the way

[@foreignpaul]

Two sided attacks are very effective with newer players lol. You send a small army to attack one side and once your opponent is freaking out you attack the other side with a big army. It's often a GG. Makes them feel overwhelmed.

[@CrossbowManD]

This is a good strat in many RTS games. It is very effective in Empire at War.

[@neildutoit5177]

If you want to see "player.exe has stopped responding", attack with a decoy on one side, an army on the other, send two scouts to attack a random location, even if it's just a house, and build a tower with 1 villiger behind a wood line, all at the same time. Even if none of those attacks is strong, opponent's brain will temporarily turn off

[@TheJamesrf]

I used to think champions were the best units just because they were called champions and had won some kind of tournament between all the units, and I wouldn't play any civ that didnt get them

[@DanielSultana]

If I'm not mistaken, a champion is a person chosen for 1 to 1 combat (ie duel) to decide a victor instead of having a full on battle, so by default, a champion is probably the best man available. I might be wrong.

[@maty3950]

lmao

[@RennieAsh]

Well even if they weren't the best unit to use, they'll keep on fighting till the end Because they are the champions

[@indiliberal]

@@DanielSultana If you think about it champions are the precursor to some lawyers because lawyers initially settled cases by trial by combat 😁

[@Oyocat]

​@@RennieAsh How dare you make me read all of that :|

[@stunseed8385]

spearmen, and skirms against swordsmen? My man is playing Total War right here.

[@shaktisingh2773]

I love this comment

[@janiser4711]

Swords beat spears in TWW ;-)

[@hoyohoyo922]

@@janiser4711 Everyone knows that the ultimate army composition is 50 legions of yari ashigaru

[@buttnuttz6119]

Jan Iser which is why he has skirms

[@thesacredlobo]

@@hoyohoyo922 - I don't know. I've earned a few Heroic victories on M/M by just throwing massive armies of equites at my enemies. Admittedly those victories largely came during the Civil War.

[@nazwus]

Low Elo Legends are much more entertaining than pro games

[@florianzippel6778]

Nah. Don't get my wrong, Lel is amazing but pro games are still better to me

[@Ben24soccer]

I mean I love these low elo games but I feel like part of it is t90 just makes them so amazing and entertaining lol

[@florianzippel6778]

@@cibo889 Did you watch for example Hoang vs Lyx in the KotD3 qualifiers? Or some games of Mbl, Viper etc.? Sure, it's usually meta strats but there are also some truly entertaining and unusual matches on a high level. And yes, sure most people aren't pros. But you don't need to be good at something to enjoy watching pros. I mean look it any professional sport like football etc. Then again, I absolutely love LEL, so don't get me wrong :) I can just recommend to people to also try and watch a full pro tournament for example KotD3, it's really entertaining, doesn't matter if you're a low or mid elo player yourself.

[@Carpatouille]

Most pro grames bore me to no end, I agree with you LEL is way more fun to watch imo

[@mr2octavio]

It's like watching professional chess and amateur chess.

[@akapbhan]

Pincer move is the move that people in real world battles always plan and almost always fail unless all the moving parts go exactly as planned and you've both incredibly lucky and you're a great commander/general.

[@akapbhan]

@@nesurame Yes but it works because your opponents general is not seeing the field fully or himself being dead or engaged in thick of things he doesn't see the pincer coming. Hiding your troops in forest or setting up concave formations like Hannibal also helps. Pincer also comes in when you be overly aggressive on one side when you force your opponent into strengthening that flank there by leaving the supposedly strengthened flank exposed from the other

[@tommerker8063]

@@nesurame go read a book. that is not at all what a pincer is. A pincer is retreating the center and then outflanking the enemy. from the top it ooks ike a V or a PINCER. what you guys are describing are simple flanking maneuvers

[@shithappens6887]

@@nesurame idk worked at the battle of Cannae

[@zackruff4633]

@@nesurame well you are correct, you are no strategist. In a situation where that would be the outcome, a different approach would be planned obviously.

[@habibihabibi7115]

@@nesurame you're talking about "defeat in detail".

[@Mitch13pavel]

Being from Detroit I can confirm that we actively practice and strategize pincer maneuver attack plans in the streets.

[@guillermoleon0216]

Incredible to see the massive difference the upgrades made at the end. I've never played this game but this was a learning experience

[@petersmythe6462]

Look up a user called "Thomas the Tank" At 600 ELO DE they did fast imp (21 minute!) Feitoria into a literal wall of offensive bombard towers on Arena.

[@thepidepiper2332]

He is definitely smurfing lol

[@abhishekjain3148]

first look: *using goat to explore me: what a pro *gathering from other 3 goats at the same time me:....

[@mrkampfcookie2118]

It's efficient usage of goats: Instead of sending 3 villagers on food and one on wood, he sends one goat to scout and three to their deaths.

[@silverwar360]

2:24 cant believe you're still surprised by lowelo players cutting straglers. that's been in almost every game so far

[@MarcelVos]

Yeah but this is different. This is someone just getting rid of stragglers because they're in the way instead of because they need wood.

[@Sholto_David]

@@MarcelVos Yeah it was a weird flex.

[@killeasykill]

Low elo don't understand when you cut stragglers you can build on top of it

[@killeasykill]

I mean when the animation change from tree to cut tree you can build on it

[@Sholto_David]

@@killeasykill But he didn't build on them?

[@neildutoit5177]

Red is going to walk away from this convinced that mao > archers and spears+skirms > mao

[@Sholto_David]

😂😂

[@luizfeitosa8848]

34:02 there you go guys, the pro caster move

[@Sholto_David]

Spirit of the law did a video on animal decay a while ago, as I remember there really wasn't much difference at all between eating one or two (maybe even three) goats at a time. For lower skill players like myself - we're far more likely to forget to send a goat in at all and have villagers standing around doing nothing. That's why I continue to eat a few at a time, even though I know it's technically possible to gain 10 extra food by sending them one at a time. The benefit is not worth the risk.

[@johnzenc1984]

I hope T90 can comment on how it's not optimal, but for most players it should not be the focus of improvement. Fix build orders, keep producing villagers, scout, make military. You could argue it's a bad habit like straggler trees, but I think straggler trees are worse than having a few animals gathering at the same time. Maybe I'm wrong.

[@Sholto_David]

@@ohadf7751 That's absolute worst case scenario, you'd have to be equally well organised to make sure that each sheep is gathered by one villager for the entire process, that's not what we saw here. Meanwhile to have six villagers stand doing nothing could very easily put you a villager behind with just a momentary lapse of concentration because you wanted to send in sheep one by one. It's only going to give you an edge if the rest of your build is optimised and your scouting is perfect, and like most lower level players mine isn't.

[@Real_MisterSir]

That's true, but it's also a habit that doesn't let you improve over time. The best option is to just do it sufficiently enough times that it becomes second nature, which will allow you to consistently get a lead in games. Collecting from sheep is just one element, but if you try to work on things that are difficult, that's how you improve the most over time. Of course if you don't desire to push your improvement then nobody is gonna force you to try and milk that extra benefit from efficiency. Your choice after all :)

[@Sholto_David]

@@ohadf7751 If you forget to send one, it happens a lot if you're not very good. Please read the comment before replying. Overall if you are likely to forget one (i.e. it has happened before) it would be better to just eat a few and focus on other things, there are more important efficiencies to find at this level than potential gain of 10 food on a sheep.

[@Sholto_David]

@@Real_MisterSir Of course if you never try you'll never learn, but you can't learn everything all at once, and even at low ELO people are playing to win, not just to get better. I've been sunk entirely too many times by goats standing outside of hearing range. You won't get much fun out of the game if you spend too much time trying to optimise hearding, I would wait for it to become a real hurdle to progression before attending it.

[@markvera583]

Blue probs thought: "Mangudai suck! whats so special about them?!"

[@scottmitchellghost]

Reddit post "Mangudai sucks, Mayans OP" incoming.

[@j936-n6n]

I chop straggler trees almost like this because they block farms near the center.

[@spartanelite2486]

1:45 God!! That was so funny and unexpected. 🤣

[@morgothcrusher3798]

There is a big difference between low elo players cause they are new, and low elo players cause they only do offline.

[@cucurbitdev]

t90 losing his mind laughing is the best bit of this video

[@tristanj7386]

Bro you made me laugh so f*cking hard scolding like a madman because you can't pronounce words all of a sudden, very relatable 😂😂😭😭

[@spIette]

Had a super exhausting work day, now watching T90 to calm down and relax.

[@michaelrussell7806]

A temporal pincer movement....brilliant. Christopher Nolan approves.

[@kartiksaraf4676]

The waypoints thing is when you shift-click in a circle around TC and then shift-click Auto scout, it goes in the originally defined path and then does auto scout. That is why the waypoints are visible and it is auto scouting now

[@martijnbouman8874]

But then the waypoints would no longer be visible when the scout starts autoscouting.

[@idr121]

I love it. Guy has clearly studied military history and tactics 😂

[@jasonfarrell00]

Take a drink every time T90 makes a slim shady reference lmao

[@nikoveliki4132]

Me when i watch aoe2: Ha what a noob how could he do something like this Me when i play aoe2: Oh no how build house

[@machete660]

“He meant to pick magyard”. Love the callbacks

[@jassimsalam]

34:37 It wasn't the burp. He just got high by then, admit it T90.

[@thescottishtraveller]

I hope so. He laughed about that for wayyyyy too long for a normal sane person

[@deljugo]

He sounded drunk to me

[@Wuerfelhusten1510]

Low ELO Legends

[@nostalji93]

34:00 "Remember Mongols dont get the final amor up-*burp* " Guess from this point on you had Moms spagethettis on your sweater. Great game great casting! :)

[@baronmunro1494]

Are you getting enough sleep T90Official? Honestly the "laughs until he cries at the smallest shit" type content... I love it, but last time I got that from an RTS streamer it was a guy who was way overworked and laughed at everything because he was sleepy.

[@db4552]

mate you are a legend, love the realness, thanks a bunch

[@gombosgergo8702]

The end of the game and the burp jeeez 😂😂😂

[@beachboy8842]

Loved it when you nearly passed out because of laughing 😂

[@matthewlewis7434]

So much love for the burp laugh T90

[@nicolascabrera4817]

It s overrated to see a pro player game.. you always know how they r gonna react.. But this... This is great, amazing 😂😂

[@trytojustify]

whew that was the wildest ride so far, keep it up!

[@MikeHunt-mc4rk]

Disappointed that blue didn't try and hold out longer, that fight was epic! 😁

[@johnorsomeone4609]

“Just watch the fight” 😂😂😂

[@castonelkins9093]

when all the sheep get killed right away you know its gonna be a good low elo vid

[@madchessLeviathan]

T90 learning about waypoints and the new meta of house walling

[@robdaconquerer4125]

I guess blue has ballistics, I might’ve missed that. Well you wouldn’t have if you had ballistics yourself.

[@Citadel1974]

35:14 - T90 breaks really really bad. That was probably my favorite part of the whole video.

[@noxanguis8130]

That pincher attack won the game for red. It was beautiful!

[@dakotamedlin48]

The pinsir movement was impressive

[@RennieAsh]

35:08 Well, looks like the Belching upgrade really improved the effectiveness of the Caster!

[@Gidrolo]

great game - crowned by the sneaky t90-burp

[@BoxofRain-ff4td]

3 minutes in and haven’t heard “It’s fine”. The T190 signature line has to be in here somewhere!

[@craig8727]

Another ELO LEGENDS!!! Kind of like ice cream after eating your veggies dinner

[@ohlookanotheraccount]

Thank you for the mom's spaghetti jokes, T90. You really brightened my gag refle- I mean, day.

[@necbeard7467]

Scouting is fu*king amazing 😂

[@Auriorium]

The video where we loose T90. Man I was also laughing.

[@HasanAmmori]

One of my favorite videos so far :)

[@Marqan]

I'm so glad that the T90Burp got immortalized in a video :D

[@jeromerhiat9790]

Hi T90, i'm a big fan of your channel, and i may have found a new legend today in a 1v1v1v1v1v1v1v1 game. The guy won with a wonder, had one of the lowest scores in the game and tried some negociation shenanigans, it might be worth investigating... Also he had a very particular way of placing his buildings very geometrically, that made me think it might be a habit for him to try this type of wonder strat in ffa games. His name is "Xylor" if you're curious, and i can check my recorded games and send you the file or something if you want i guess :) Have a nice day !

[@drschwandi3687]

I think you can submit games on his discord

[@triambak]

10/10 would watch

[@jeromerhiat9790]

@@drschwandi3687 Sorry for asking i feel dumb, how can i find his discord ?

[@benwarford]

Hey Jerome that's me!, Xylor here.. Yes. that game was indeed particularly entertaining... I would be honored to hear T90 style commentary of it! I have been watching T90 recently, which has influenced my ability to play low ELO!!

[@aerieleah533]

@@benwarford Nice! Next blue coffee in the works maybe. I hope t90 casts your game!

[@diegochavez3373]

I actually get enterteinment value from these low elo vids (i'm a noob myself, i didn't even knew the whole ELO thing), but I can't watch more than 3 min at a time cus of the anxiety I get

[@Ordinarymanners]

please host/commentate some of the KotD matches. MBL vs Yo and DauT vs Liereyy were insane good matches

[@DownTopable]

When Eminem is giving you a cheeky one and you’re doing maths at the same time 5:41

[@TheBearThatReads]

Game so legendary we gotta add a [Mind Break] Tag.

[@gamingonthespectrum]

Yet another great game to watch

[@pischuman2498]

Jajajajajajaja I almost die with you at that part, love you man 11

[@samuelvink1482]

I need a confused T90 compilation

[@benbrackin2067]

1:46 " words are hard for me right now..." - T90

[@kuzya12]

The freak out moment at 35 min mark, wtf!!!? 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️ lol

[@cherdoful]

Take it easy on the noobs, uncle T90

[@generalmaxim]

Dude, laughing so hard in your beginning XD

[@unclvinny]

So funny to hear T90 use coarse language 😁

[@mattmiller3656]

"Oooohhhhh..... calculated...." lol

[@albertfrancis9155]

Can we have an 18+ uncensored T90 stream? Died when he swore! 🤣

[@T2266]

Do you think if Blue went with light cav and after he lost his castles switch to light cavs and skirmishers with upgrades to save up for another castle and more mangudai, could he got a come back? Or is it too late by that point? Or is it too much to ask?

[@timhansen7201]

This is hilarious, why cant I upvote more.

[@Rcoutme]

Challenge of the day: if you want to solve a puzzle, try to figure out the rationality for Red's initial walling before the 5:00 mark (YT time) Next Challenge: 8:50 Figure out how large the Great Wall of Red will finally be Question #1: 13:30 Has Red been watching too many old Westerns, thus seeing the circling of the wagons and thinking, "Circle the houses!"? Question #2: 15:30 Does Blue know that Men at Arms will die near TC's and Towers? 34:40 Blue is completely lost on the concept of having artillery firing back at artillery

[@soumyaranjansarangi5818]

my boi will die of laughter 34:40

[@Slimurgical]

I wish Voobly allowed you to spectate games currently under progress, bu I also wish T90 also spectated more Voobly low elo games, at least once in a while.

[@TheDendran]

15:20 Ben just got Ben'd over

[@renaudlapointe9390]

He’s like: Hi my nane is... Finish the sentence😢 21:18

[@mr2octavio]

13:45 viper could learn a thing or two from red

[@brownham7368]

the real slim brainie

[@Marius2Rocker]

The scout probably got set to autoscout but he also queued up the points around his base

[@GGGONEXT67]

love low elo legends :)

[@nekoprincess4130]

I myself chop down all of the straggler trees, but don't collect them, just so I can build my farms without hassle.

[@MrHeorhe]

T90, around 8:00 you said lot of players just go with one strategy and dont counter. As a aoe player who can beat hardest ai... I cant close out games against humans who have the same experience as me. I've practiced booming, build orders, early rushes and all in pushes and then only thing that works for me is all in pushes. Every other strategy that relies on pressure just gets countered before I can do any real damage it feels

[@Wwillswords]

What Civs are you playing as? As some civs have different strategies based on unit composition as well as economic bonuses. Aztecs for example do better if you raid in mid game and disrupt the opponents economy. Goths struggle to win if they cant keep up economically early game but if you hold out till late game have about 40 people on farms and 30 or so on wood with 4 barracks makes you practically unbeatable even if you just build halbidiers and skirmishes as you have no gold

[@dimitrikemitsky]

I had the same problem for a long time. I don't know your elo so there may be simpler problems than this (like upgrades, or just poor engagement choices), but for me focusing on constant pressure and discreet goals helped. For example in the civ match-up in this LEL game, Mayans v. Mongols: If I'm Mayans, I won't be thinking "push and win" but rather "push to deny stone, deny gold, refuse castles, prevent Mangudai." Even if you have to start the game and immediately pause for 30 seconds to think, it's worth it if you can ensure your goal is focused on maximizing your strengths and minimizing theirs. As far as finishing out a game, maybe practice some transitions into trebs/siege. If you are coming from a position of effective pressure, especially with forward buildings, transition into trebs or rams is usually pretty fluid. Just make sure you are focusing siege on stuff like castles, TC, production buildings, not like 18 pieces of wall, mining camps, etc.

[@MrHeorhe]

@@Wwillswords yeah I am at the point of learning civ specific build orders. I am currently playing incas I build a medium force of eagles if I'm not pressured, and a small force of eagles and archers if I am. I use the eagles for raiding and advance to castle asap, preferable before opponent due to raiding. Then I send my stone miners forward and build a forward castle, a seige shop, 2 barracks and an archery range and usually incas saved enough stone for an extra tc at home. The though of denying gold and stone is a good one, I guess I need to do some research on civ strengths. I dont know anything about any civ other than Frank's, goths, persians, and the mesocivs. You example of denying mangodai/castles is a great tip thanks. Edit: lol I responded to the wrong person but I think I covered both replies XD

[@Wwillswords]

@@MrHeorhe so look at your tech tree before playing any civilization read what you get and dont gett plus the techs that you cant research but are just a civ special like aztecs carry 5 more resources or goths villagers do plus 5 damage vs boars and Frank's castles are 33 percent cheaper

[@MrHeorhe]

@@dimitrikemitsky currently the only build order that I dont just fizzle out on is incas standard open into eagles and archers, rush into castle after 0/+1 on eagles and +1/0 on archers. Sit at 40 vills and ignore my base for the rest of the game as I make a forward military base. 1 castle, 2 barracks, 1 archery range, and 1 seige workshop. I can keep constant production of eagles and by selling food I can keep the archers and rams coming too. I'm very bad at microing seige but I think I'm better than average at unit/military micro and thus rams are my prefered choice. Especially if I'm in castle before the opponent. But literally any late game build where you are supposed to go 80-120 vills I seem to lack the macro skills once the game gets that far in and no real way to practice that other than play more but I dont know exactly what I'm doing wrong you know? Even watching my replays it's hard to pinpoint where I need to improve cause it just seems like my opponent is faster, but when I speed up I make mistakes and cant think properly and just even forget basic things like building a university and monastery once I hit castle.

[@ekehernandez]

I played a 'the viper' this afternoon BF, he was Khmers. Made me shit in about 2 minutes. I wasn't even feudal and he had already built a TC next to mine... Don't have aanyone else to tell this to. Never meet your idols they said...

[@CoranceLChandler]

Well? What happened then? Tell me!

[@BattIeBear]

He built the smith and barracks where he did because he had just finished building a palisade, and that was the closest viable point between where his builder was and where he wanted his next palisade to be.

[@Alareiks1177]

34:00 is the reason i come here again and again

[@DonFunk70]

Wooden walls gives a warning sound when attacked. It is a cheap way of early warning. I like it :)

[@thelonelycmdr6442]

T90 are you drunk this cast?

[@Green_Fog17]

that walling from red at beginning gives me anxiety :'D

[@ifsaitamafacegetsyouageblo7198]

Mongols dont get final armor upkhr,,,, Thanks t90 for some laughs as the mongolian castles fall down ^^ That goes to the list of funny things t90 did besides getting wonder walled,3 archery ranges on neutral island and his farms

[@skippingsmile1898]

your best video so far

[@moppypuppy781]

*32:00** The pincer maneuver.*

[@rileymoore7025]

TheRealSlimShady is a modern Sun Tsu in the making.

[@rat488]

Im starting to wonder if we are going to get a follow up for more strats from the real Schady. kinda like that turks player

[@Jay_Sullivan]

I wonder if Spirit of the Law has done a video comparing the building of 4 houses vs building a lumber mill and getting housed. It would be interesting to see how long someone can be housed before they would have benefitted from building the houses before the mill. He could even test 3 houses. It seems like Ben has been taking agriculture tips from T90.

[@maximedenas]

I'm low elo myself, but seeing red's skirms just getting butchered by the castle hurts so much

[@AgentLokVokun]

1:45 -- T90 says "Fuckin'!"